RE: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Charles Wu
Another point that's worth raising is if you (as an ISP/WISP/whatever) get into the "value-added" services game yourself (and we all realize that the business of just selling big dumb pipes is coming to an end) Here's a question for the "Net Neutral" people -- if I'm a service provider, and I deci

Re: [WISPA] (no subject)

2006-05-04 Thread Jon Langeler
Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds too good to be true. Ron Wallace Not sure about Navini particularly, but from my experience these systems(WCDMA or a variant) rely on low/no interference(-90db to -115db) in licensed spec

RE: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-04 Thread Charles Wu
Systems work differently when operating under licensed vs. unlicensed bands That said, no amount of "fancing beamforming" or signal processing or even complex QAM modulation will bust through that -70ish noise floor -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects

Re: [WISPA] A little help, or 20 questions... which ever you preferr

2006-05-04 Thread Jon Langeler
Oh gosh, not Star-OS! Sorry, think about this for a second, why do you think Travis is selling it! :-) PS sorry Travis To answer #3, canopy will win, like or not. Get a consultant to talk with for a couple hours, could be the best money you ever spent... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. [EMAI

RE: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-04 Thread Brian Webster
Took the words right out of my mouth, great receiver specs do nothing in high noise environments. The idea of indoor CPE devices is also a myth for real world WISP deployments. How many times have you had to move around in a building with a cell phone to get better coverage. Indoor CPE is the same

[WISPA] 4.9GHz Omni

2006-05-04 Thread Jason Hensley
Anyone know where to get one, or do they exist? Thanks! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Travis Johnson
"WE" aren't going to be able to do anything. Do you have millions to lobby this (one way or the other)? We will sit back and watch what happens, just like we ALWAYS have to do. The smaller WISPs have never influenced anything political. It's the big players that make the changes. Travis Micr

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Matt Liotta
Content is supposed to get a free ride since we all sell data pipes. If a customer buys 1 meg of data service from me then they are free to use that 1 meg for whatever they want. If that isn't enough bandwidth for what they want then they better buy more. Over time will the customer be able to

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Peter R.
I don't agree with this sentiment at all. The problem has always been (dating back to 2000) that Indie ISPs did not join the regulatory process. A few here and there. Then no traction was made. We lost. And the ISP was right: see, we can't win. Ha! You can't win when you don't even particpate.

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well, that the big misunderstanding right there. When someone sells 1 mbps of speed, who said that meant they are selling the customer continuous 1 mbps for what ever use they want? And just because we sell them a 1 mbps last mile, who says that we are selling them that capacity accross our ba

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Jory Privett
Very powerful statement!!! Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality) Well, that the big misunderstanding right there. When someo

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
The biggest fear that I have for this country, is that Consumers will buy into the Triple Play from a single provider. The intent of dominent proviers is already evident, Verizon pulling out copper when installing Fiber, no need to share anymore. The complaints from consumers (lack of QOS / Suppo

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Jack, I have not visited the site yet, and at your recommendation, I will explore their content, to see if it is something that I would support or not. However, if only 6 ISPs have signed, that could be a sign, that it may not support our needs. I believe in Freedom of Speech, but I also be

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: When someone sells 1 mbps of speed, who said that meant they are selling the customer continuous 1 mbps for what ever use they want? And just because we sell them a 1 mbps last mile, who says that we are selling them that capacity accross our backbone network? You may over

RE: Re: [WISPA] A little help, or 20 questions... which ever you preferr

2006-05-04 Thread n7mfy
Are you saying Canopy will interfere, and it is more expensive,   OR   Trav wants to free up more cash to buy little plastic twinkies. Lee > Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:00:52 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help, or 20 questions... which ever

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Peter R.
Tom, Random mixed thoughts: When I buy a car or a sweater, I understand the tangible asset I have paid for. When I pay a toll on a highway, I understand that it is a tax for the thru-way upkeep. When I buy an internet pipe, I assume when they say 1.5M, I get 1.5M. Anything else better be expl

[WISPA] AOL offering wireless internet over Clearwires network

2006-05-04 Thread Brian Webster
Well it's starting, and at $26 per month too. Let's hope this might actually help the WISP industry by being able to partner as a Group with AOL and offer the same wholesale deal in markets where Clearwire does not offer service or may not have any license. But that would still require everyone get

[WISPA] Isen presentation on Net Neutrality

2006-05-04 Thread Peter R.
David S. Isenberg is a fellow of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society. He worked for AT&T Labs until he wrote /The Rise of the Stupid Network /in May 1997. Network Neutrality Reality A podcast of my Berkman Lunch Talk yesterday, "Network Neutrality

Re: [WISPA] AOL offering wireless internet over Clearwires network

2006-05-04 Thread Peter R.
Tough to herd those cats, but you may want to really move on this. Get all the AOL® you want using your existing connection with 10 hours of dial-up, just in case. *$14.95* per month. With a BB connection, as low as $25.95 for Unlimited access to AOL. (http://discover.aol.com/allplans.adp)

Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)

2006-05-04 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
After attending the Freedom to Connect conference, I was able to get a very up close and personal look at the people who are strongly supporting the Net Neutrality concepts. I believe that the intention is to keep the status quo of the Internet, and make sure that we will all be able to get t

[WISPA] rubber roof mounts

2006-05-04 Thread chris cooper
Ive got some installs to do on a couple rubber roofs.  Can I use a regular ( the kind I can get at lowe’s) rubber mat under the non penetrating mount or is there another type of mat made just for this application?  Ive seen em under cellular sleds and as walk pads and they look like an ordi

Re: [WISPA] rubber roof mounts

2006-05-04 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Run is by the roofer. They are the one who would know about the warranty, as they are the one who would void it. chris cooper wrote: Ive got some installs to do on a couple rubber roofs. Can I use a regular ( the kind I can get at lowe’s) rubber mat under the non penetrating mount or is there

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2006-05-04 Thread Peter R.
Last year at ISPCON, Earl Comstock (CEO of COMPTEL and one of the authors of th TA96) explained that the mess we are in today is due to so many varied interests yelling at DC. All of them say regulate him, but not me. That doesn't work well in trying to language a bill. (I still say it should

Re: [WISPA] (no subject)

2006-05-04 Thread David Ellis
Hello Ron, I talked with the sales people in Vegas last year and at that time I think there biggest deployment was in Sidney. They sound great but the price was too high. If I remember right they were talking around 250k and up. Dave On 5/3/06 11:30 PM, "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTE