[WISPA] 3ft lmr 400

2006-06-19 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I need a source local (1 day shipping) to Michigan for cables. Someone who knows what their doing like Roger Peters but not in Texas and accepts credit cards. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] 3ft lmr 400

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Denver close enough? How many cables do you need? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)

Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I have a Hawking wireless one. Nothing to write home about thought. If there's a t-1 involved I'd think you'd want to use the cisco (or whatever) that's already on the t-1. If you are going to back up a t-1 I'd certainly look at a higher end unit than a Linksys or something along those

Re: [WISPA] Lost the link...

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
That's Nusrat's new company. He's one of the original owners of Teletronics. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!

Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Bo Hamilton wrote: I'm in the market for a dual WAN router. Could I get some feedback on the some that you guys and gals are using. I have some clients using me as a backup for their T1's, so Im just trying to find out wich one's are the best to go with. Mikrotik with

RE: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Mac Dearman
Bo, I would use a MikroTik box in an indoor enclosure, The RB532 w/64Megs of ram running OSPF would be easy, fast and as reliable as anything I know. Another solution if you were looking for a rack mount set up would be to get a Cisco router and drop a couple modules in it and do their

Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
If you are familiar with RouterOS a routerboard 500 would do the trick and only run you about $175 Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dylan Oliver wrote: You might check Peplink.com http://Peplink.com for its Balance products - http://www.peplink.com/productsLoader.php?productName=balance

[WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
With last week's discussion on the ability of different product lines to support simultaneous VoIP calls, I'd like to start a discussion on VoIP as a service offering. First, a little introduction. I'm in the planning stages of an ISP. I intend to target small/medium businesses (no

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Peter R.
Pat, VoIP is going to be a steady stream of anywhere from 30k to 100k depending on codec, equipment and handshake. (Think of it like the way modem's work ... you don't get 56k, you get what is negotiated. Hosted PBX or IP Centrex offerings tend to eat up more bandwidth. Can your network

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Larry Yunker
Before you talk about VoIP technology/deployment issues, you might want to address your deployment amechanism. What technology are you planning to use in order to deploy your broadband? Wireless, I would assume? If so, what hardware? Choosing the right type of hardware on the last-mile is

Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Bo Hamilton
Thanks everyone for all the feedback!!! Bo On 6/19/06, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are familiar with RouterOS a routerboard 500 would do the trickand only run you about $175 Sam Tetherow Sandhills WirelessDylan Oliver wrote: You might check Peplink.com http://Peplink.com for

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Matt Liotta
Larry did a good job of laying out some of the considerations, but be aware that none of these choices exist in a vacuum. For example, if you do voice over internet your upstream is going to be a major concern in terms of both capacity and latency. Compare this with running your own voice

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service provider. Not in the long term. The money will be in the ability to offer good voip capacity but not the voip it's self. Yeah, I know, there are people making money with voip. I heard that song and dance about hot spots too.

Re: [WISPA] Spectrum sharing test proposal

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Nothing specified yet. That's one of the questions. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread cw
VoIP is going to be a steady stream of anywhere from 30k to 100k depending on codec, equipment and handshake. Lets not forget that 30k packet is a 28k header with a 2k payload. Make sure your infrastructure can handle 20,000 packets per second. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Orion 900 MHz OFDM 22 Mbps

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Note: It's also a great way to inexpensively get access to small pockets of customers that one could not otherwise get to. We're going as far as 3 towers deep with ptptmptmptmp. point to point to multipoint to multipoint to multipoint. Speeds at the end are around 1 meg. Total customers on

[WISPA] Re: [TowerTalk] Vibrating Concrete...

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Grin. Mine still hurt! Though building the danged addition has been at least as hard. I'm 40 now. I'm too old to be pounding nails! The fact that I'm a computer geek doesn't help much either. grin Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna pass it along to some other wisps. laters, Marlon (509)

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Peter R.
Marlon, He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi. Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will try that, but there are security concerns (growing daily) about VoIP, especially with the mandatory CALEA

RE: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message are you planning on getting your customer an AS running BGP? if not -- and you're willing to roll up your sleaves a bit, you can "hack it" w/ some Mikrotik scripting (In my ISP days, one of my customers back in 2002/2003, Larry Yunker actually, was doing this b/n our

RE: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message it's a bit more complicated than OSPF if you're trying to backup ANOTHER provider's connection (assuming separate ASes, etc) -Charles P.S. -- ASes = Plural for Autonamous Systems, not that other dirty word =/ ---CWLabTechnology

Re: [WISPA] true thru for Trango 900

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Probably yes, but not necessarilly. It really depends on how much all the non-guaranteed users are using. My average usage per business client is 16 kbps average usage 95%tile. If your business clients have similar usage statistics, you'd do fine with the Trango capable of pushing 2.5 mbps.

Re: [WISPA] Wyoming locations that need service

2006-06-19 Thread Pete Davis
The only Wisp I ever heard of in Wyoming is Brett Glass, and the only place I see his posts are on isp-wireless list. I have no idea about Wyoming geography. pd Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Shot in the dark, but if there are any providers out there that can hit these places, I am a customer

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
One of the requirements of layer 2 transport is the ability to deliver a full 1500 byte payload. Fully agree. One of the top reasons we chose Trango 5 years ago. Its abilty to pass VLAN traffic, as well as future techknowlogies such as MPLS that were identified but only emerging at the time.

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Great. 1540 covers just about all needs I can think of off the top of my head. I forget exactly what IPSEC used, but I believe it is less than 1540 as well. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Larson [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Wyoming locations that need service

2006-06-19 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
FWIW, I already cover the same places Brett does. Most of these are out in the middle of nowhere - and I mean way the hell out there. I did get a response from Wyoming.com and it looks like they will be able to pick up a couple of them. Apparently, the US Postal Service is trying to get

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
A little more information on my situation: I'm considering VoIP only as a selling point. I don't expect to make much money on the voice service alone. I intend to use it to be able to up-sell the Internet connection, since many small businesses don't place much value on their Internet

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Canopy does support 802.1Q at the CPE for both the customer's ethernet interface and the built-in management interface. Not sure about VLAN prioritization but there is some sort of high-priority queue mechanism for voice or other critical traffic. Patrick Tom DeReggi wrote: One of the

Re: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Patrick, I have to agree with you that is some exciting data. However, I don't want the world to forget one of the core reasons to chose Alvarion. And it has nothing to do with new features. The abilty to have higher capacity links (14-24 mbps real), using OFDM, and being able to pull off the

Re: [WISPA] Wyoming locations that need service

2006-06-19 Thread fred
wyoming.com and visionary are the only other 2 i'm aware of, but something tells me you probably already know of them. folks from either of them could be on this list, i just haven't seen any posts... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
One way to cherry pick on VOIP is to specialize in the phone systems and make sure that they keep at least one POTS line. Then, even with a dead internet connection, they will still have (albeit limited) capabilitity to get out and receive phone calls, and also to handle 911. I recently

Re: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Paul, Although many have reported very high speeds with Mikrotik. Our live tests in noisy environments (wether accepted as accurate or not) showed we were not able to get the peak speeds out of Mikrotik where we could get them from Alvarion. Our comparative tests were done with the Alvarion

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Maybe thats a question we should be asking you. What is your friend using for MPLS? I beleive Matt is using all Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
On a side note, we have had much higher results per sector using Trango for VOIP (before any VOIP enhancement.). Unfortuneately we don't have concrete real world data to report, but its pretty high. We are doing more detailed tests probably in the next week or so. (as soon as we get our VOIP

Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt brings out a good point that shows the benefit of PTPs and Syncing feature of Canopy. I don't deny these advantages, and they can be beneficial in many cases. However, don't forget that your equipment costs go up at more than double per new customer compared to PtMP deployments where each

Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Routers

2006-06-19 Thread Jon Langeler
Unlesss your doing BGP/OSPF or something fancy, might want to check out www.hotbrick.com ~$250. You can configure some nice little things(email alert, universal client on LAN, services 'binding', desired loadbalancing %, etc.)in a matter of minutes that would take considerably longer on a

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service provider. Not in the long term. Yes, but there may be no money in wireless connectivity either, if you loose all your subs to competitiors that offered voice, because consumers want VOIP. Or at least they think they do. Once they

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Travis Johnson
I think the problem is most WISP's don't realize the extra support costs for VoIP. More support calls, longer troubleshooting time, etc... so really they are loosing money. I don't believe there is any real money in it either... cell phones will be the choice 5-10 years from now. VoIP is the

RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-19 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Theyre Cisco too Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Tom, I've been happy with my Lingo for 2 years...$19.95 a month and free calling to Europe, too...which I do. I ported both my SBC (ATT) numbers. I thought great service, cheap calling, decent quality, super features... I convinced my brother in New York to convert. He's been struck by