RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I am not a personal fan of PPPoE as I consider it just another layer of complexity and failure for the network. A lot of people use it in the US for user authentication and control though. If I were starting out new, I would consider other alternatives to these two problems. For wireless client

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Scriv, We use Redback for PPPoE authentication to around 15,000 subs. It's a breeze for customer accounting and really simplifies routing static IP's, subnets and private contexts. We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep th

RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Smith, Rick
How so? -Original Message- We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep that in mind. -Eric -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Once you encapsulate VoIP in PPPoE then QoS is unavailable to any device in the middle; which is where most of the bottlenecks in bandwidth are. So you gain something and lose something more important. We have moved all of our VOIP subscribers to DHCP w/ VLAN priorities that are mapped to Diff

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2007-04-09 Thread Justin S. Wilson
http://a301.g.akamai.net/7/301/1403/v001/www.itworld.com/images/spacer.gifCa rrier groups oppose spectrum auction proposal IDG News Service 4/6/07 Grant Gross, IDG News Service, Washington Bureau Representatives of large broadband and wireless carriers have voiced opposition to a proposal from

RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Smith, Rick
so, ok, can't you use pppoe for just client -> tower ? QoS them all right at the tower sites... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Eric Muehleisen
You could, but I think your QoS would get very crippled. Each device between your ATA/PC and core router/softswitch would need to be able to read your QoS markings within the PPPoE encapsulation. You simply cannot prioritize tagged packets within PPPoE encapsulation end-to-end very efficiently

[WISPA] Use PR to educate lawmakers, decision makers in your community

2007-04-09 Thread David Hughes
Fellow WISPA members: We are beginning a PR campaign to enlist the help of our local, state and national representatives into supporting the need to set aside bandwidth in the whitespace frequencies for wireless broadband. Loudoun County in Northern Virginia is probably much like your coverage are

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
why not use ap's that already have radius clients in them? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wi

[WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Ryan Spott
I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Mark Nash
I do but I don't believe it's necessary. It's often just more convenient. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Mo

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Blair Davis
Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This buil

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread John Scrivner
I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is li

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Mark Nash
Agreed. I was the first customer on my service, too...only game in town, now Qwest and Comcast. I think it is an advantage to experience your own product, just not necessary. The original comment was that it was 'strange' for the CEO not to use his own service. I'm saying that it's not that

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread David Sovereen
Not all owners are fortunate enough to be able to get their own service. I have to use Charter cable because I cannot get my own service's signals. I would switch in a heartbeat if I could. Dave - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Se

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
We use our own service which supplies just over 250 users spanning 120 km of the Robson Valley in BC. I cannot stress enough how important that is to be able to see problems immediately and not just be taking calls to describe the situation. We are more fortunate than most in that we also write

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Then you need to expand your service. :) Travis Microserv David Sovereen wrote: Not all owners are fortunate enough to be able to get their own service. I have to use Charter cable because I cannot get my own service's signals. I would switch in a heartbeat if I could. Dave - Original

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread George Rogato
The most fun I have is using my own connection. I always want to make it better and drool over how fast it is. Sort of like a gear head of broadband But it doesn't really tell me how well the rest of the network is. For that we monitor the network to keep us posted of any issues, we use nagios

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread David E. Smith
George Rogato wrote: I have wanted to buy charter and qwest connections, just to experience their network and see what the billing looks like. Only problem is, if I was to buy their services, they would start telling everyone I use their service and not mine. Having something like this is help

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes... I agree... I have a dedicated connection from our main NOC to my house... 20Mbps+... :) However, we also have a CableOne connection at our office for testing connectivity, speed tests, etc. It comes in handy. We also "remote" monitor our main backbone routers using this connection... so

Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?

2007-04-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I use my wireless and telco dsl. I have some customers on ap's that belong to friendly competitors. I have my own email and a yahoo account. If at all possible, I'll always have access to SOMETHING. When I can swing the budget I'll also get a sat. connection and mount it on a trailer. I'll m

[WISPA] New Vendor Member - BearHill Security

2007-04-09 Thread John Scrivner
WISPA is working hard to develop a standard and to enable WISPs to work through the issues which will enable us to meet all the CALEA requirements. WISPA's newest Vendor Member is BearHill Security which is a company that specializes in dealing with CALEA issues. We welcome them to WISPA and lo