[WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone els

[WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

-26 RSSI is too hot. Check the manual or call Trango to make sure you haven't damaged the RX side of the radios. Targetrssi and cableloss settings are very important to GigaLINK radios. What type of cable do you have running between the IDU & ODU? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PR

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the "local" side first, to see what happens in case the link compl

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

Thanks, ull lower it more Belden 9913 between the radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 02,

[WISPA] motorola bpl

Anyone have any success using Motorola BPL system? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireles

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROT

[WISPA] 3650 Foliage

Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join to

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed ou

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? > 3650 sucks with foliage and more power doesn't help. Yeah it is that bad. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Can you see it from there?:-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

>Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't >Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligen

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

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Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked c

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

The update was released on the 19th and requires 128 MB of storage space. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: "WISPA Ge

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare t

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > S

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed i

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

I'll try the the larger calbe loss numbers AFAIK I just need to input the cable loss for a 100' run or is the actual calbe loss number needed ( cable loss per ft * cable run) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Or

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

> Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the > exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly > and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. > Scriv We do get some tree penetration with Canopy 2.4 and reflectors. We g

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all things being equal. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: > Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment > with the > exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Problems with PC games? > > I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users > in th

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

Right, if you have LMR400 and the cable run is 100' then you would enter: cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9 For 200' you would enter: cableloss 3.0 4.6 7.8 Here is an online calculator where you can enter specific cable lengths: http://www.timesmicrowave.com/cgi-bin/calculate.pl The targetrssi also play

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

With Trango and MT (compex and ubnt) I get minimal tree penetration. On 12/2/08, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all > things being equal. > > -Matt > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: > >> Our coverage look

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

*nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't played many other games online. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02

[WISPA] Welcome SecurAlign as a new WISPA Vendor Member

Layne Christensen with SecurAlign is the newest Vendor Member in WISPA. I am sure I speak for us all when I say welcome to you Layne. We appreciate your company's investment in our future with your membership in WISPA. We look forward to working with you to help your business and our industry to gr

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

Matt, Would you not agree that you probably have at least 9 db better noise figures than 2.4 at the same distance where you are seeing 9 db less signal? That is what I was trying to illustrate in my post. Even though the signal drops a little more in the 3650 coverage area than 2.4 we see roughly e

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. Josh Lut

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

We have many 3.65GHz WiMAX Base Stations deployed and propagation has been real positive even through some foliage. Picture1 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space &task=showfile&fileid=117 Picture2 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_s

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

Who said anything about using 802.16? ;-) I generally don't install a customer that has signal worse than -80. I want to maintain full modulation as best as possible. Can't expect to service too many customers if everyone has -88 signal. I'm just looking to be able to go through a single tre

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the > market for a while. > > Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and > Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty > does games p2p versus client-server, though

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

The few games I play I always hear everyone or no one lagging. Of course everyone says they're lagging when they're losing, so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

There is the rub of course. In Atlanta, we see on average about -65 for noise in 2400, while there is no noise in 3650. SNR is important, but for the purposes of helping other WISPs understand how 3650 does through foliage I thought it better to limit the discussion to signal as noise varie

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Who said anything about using 802.16? ;-) > > I generally don't install a customer that has signal worse than > -80. I want > to maintain full modulation as best as possible. Can't expect to > service > too many customers if everyone has -

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

okay, that is better than the manufacturers were telling me, or maybe they just didn't understand what I was getting at... or maybe I discounted something they said because they were telling me 75 miles at 75 megabit... okay, no one said that, but they exagerated. - Mike Hammett Intellig

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

"...bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC)" What's that if you do not mind me asking? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:25:09 -0500 >I believe the

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

new firmware* not bew =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Scottie Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "...bew fi

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

So, if the host of the game is on a bad connection that would screw up everyone? I've got people with 8 and 9 meg connections having trouble. Found out about a play station customer that's having some trouble too. I think that there must be something on our network(s) that is at least adding

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > Ind

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Indeed. If someone's connection is crap and they're the host, everyone else's will be crap as well for the duration of that game. Previously an upstream of mine had a bad router that would decide on its own what traffic it would or would not pass without issue. The issue was most noticeable o

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

The inability for the 50 dollar router to do the NAT would be the only thing I could imagine. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router > that I set up for a customer. > marlon > > - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port f

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAI

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

I believe what Dennis is saying is MT CPEs are EXCELLENT :) Arc are my favorite enclosures but Roottennas are good too, just short on looks. On 12/2/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! > > -- > * Dennis

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

Maybe the RooTennas have personality. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage

John, Interesting data. However, any data on how those links performed on rainy days? The deal with Foliage is that wet foliage causes a lot more loss than dry foliage or wet air. I can give an example of 5.8Ghz that might have 1db of loss in a rain storm, but in a heavy rain 900Mhz might hav

[WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew ---

Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE

Gino, Also note... Trangos have automatic gain control. For troubleshooting, I recommend turning off "ODURXAGC" as well as ATPC. This will allow you to experiment with manual TX values that you can count on occuring. We generally saw better mse at -40 than we did -28 because of -28 being an ov

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???

Hiya Drew, Remember, their are only two ISP's based places in America... Cable Co's and Large Telcos. They are the only ISP's that matter. Forget the small places that cover where they would never founder thier hard earned investor dollars. Wait a sec, I am getting polical on WISPA, sorry guys

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???

I'm with Scottie on this one... Small businesses don't run the country, governments bail out large businesses that run the country. We do get the promises, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for "Most Wasted Internet Electrons" this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: > I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in > America and n

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

Should I take a picture of the 1500ft tower with a dozen antennas that Time Warner *Cable* has a mile from our office? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spe

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???

LOL, I have been to Vegas a few timesSaw SOME BIG movie stars, I didn't take pictures, They are just like me and you, only hyped up!. I think that is relative to you TW towers! I could be wrong, I have once before, LOL. Scottie -- Original Message --

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???

My point is that companies like Time Warner Cable, Verizon, AT&T, etc boast that their service is reliable because it is wired, which is not the case. Kind of like Verizon's FiOS versus Comcast - Comcast fought back saying their network is fiber just as Verizon's FiOS is. Josh Luthman Office: 937

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless???

[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the guy that compiled the article. Write him and educate him. I did. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And onlyWildBluewasmentioned as wireless???

This is what his autoresponder sent. So, email both of them. I will be out of the office December 3rd - 5th, returning Monday December 8th. For answers to any questions regarding PCMag.com content, talk to Vicki Jacobson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown -

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless???

You're a good man, C.M !! Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > This is the guy that compiled the article. Write him and educate him. I > did. > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesda