Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-05 Thread Mike Cowan
It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide coverage much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations are

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-05 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't think I'd go that far. In many areas 2.4 is useless, so by that very token, 3.650 would be a world of better because it's virgin territory. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike Cowan"

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Well there is NLOS performance and spectrum crowding to be considered. Not sure which Mike Cowan was referring to. Mike Hammett wrote: > I don't think I'd go that far. In many areas 2.4 is useless, so by that > very token, 3.650 would be a world of better because it's virgin territory. > >

[WISPA] Pole attachment procedures

2009-06-05 Thread Charles Wyble
I'm curious if anyone here has gotten access to the utility infrastructure in your service area for communications gear? Also what about mountain top colo facilities? I'm in Los Angeles county and have been researching the matter. For the mountain top stuff, it seems it would be best to hook up

[WISPA] BTOP - mapping

2009-06-05 Thread Charles Wyble
From http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/BTOPQuarterlyReport_090518.pdf In addition, NTIA intends to release a separate NOFA with respect to the broadband map. Excellent! Would be awesome if they break it down per state/major metro area. Such that multiple players can bid on the contr

Re: [WISPA] BTOP - mapping

2009-06-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Hrm. Broadband Map Posted to WebsiteFebruary 17, 2011 Wonder if any of the new census data will be available by then? That would help with showing some real numbers/markets/updated incomes etc. Charles Wyble wrote: > From > > > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/BTOPQuarterlyRep

Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP

2009-06-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
David Hulsebus wrote: > Ryan, How do you like the Moonblink antennas? Eh, they are OK. Getting timely shipping and shipping information out of Moonblink makes ordering from them a head-ache for my ordering person. The antennas are sleek aluminum but they are fragile so you can't handle them much

[WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread Forbes Mercy
I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes ---

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 & 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best pr

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread Steve Barnes
I thought it has to do wit there not being a standard. No bodies card will work with each other. I mean how ridiculous that UBNT couldn't even make their XR9 cards work with their SR9 card. Nothing works with Tranzeo's 900. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Messa

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread Tom Sharples
The cards are more expensive to manufacture, due to lower volumes but also the higher power they need to pump out (we add an external heat sink because they get too hot for our comfort), and the exotic filtering necessary to get them to work correctly on the very noisy 900Mhz band. The SR9 and X

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Moto is about the same for each band though 900 is a bit more :/ On 6/5/09, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > I agree, > > I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have > done in 2.4 & 5.8. > > ryan > > > Forbes Mercy wrote: >> I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason

Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP

2009-06-05 Thread David Hulsebus
I have a few horizontal and they do tend to traverse through woods better than the verticals, but the noise floor for us is just the opposite. There are a half dozen Canopy systems running horizontal omni's just to my east destroying most of the 900 spectrum. I don't have any sectors wider than

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread John Valenti
I agree with your sentiment that 900 stuff is too expensive. But I was pleasantly surprised. while looking around DoubleRadius last weekend, to see Tranzeo TR-SL9 client radios for $234. (8dB or N connector, take your pick). I missed any announcement of them. One could hope that a multipack o

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread Forbes Mercy
I emailed Ubiquity about that very subject, here was their response: Hello, Not at this time as there are size limitations do to the size of 900Mhz antennas. Thanks, _ Michael Ford Ubiquiti Support Team -Original Message--

[WISPA] reset airpair to defaults

2009-06-05 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone know how to reset the usernames/passwords to default on a Rev. 2 dragonwave airpair? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby ---

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread jp
I'd offer technical reason not to buy 900 system based primarily on price. The build-your-own gear using XR9 or SR9 type cards or wifi systems converted to do 900 are inferior to popular proprietary 900 systems in many cases where interference exists. I have used Alvarion BA-II 900, Trango 900

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread reader
I'm a little under that, not by any great amount. Mine's star-os, ubiqiti radios, and small yagi.We also have labor on top of our cash price, but last I checked, we were about 265 for 900 cpe. - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" To: "WISPA

Re: [WISPA] reset airpair to defaults

2009-06-05 Thread Randy Cosby
Never mind, I got it... Randy Cosby wrote: > Anyone know how to reset the usernames/passwords to default on a Rev. 2 > dragonwave airpair? > > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby --

Re: [WISPA] reset airpair to defaults

2009-06-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Please share how so we all know! On 6/5/09, Randy Cosby wrote: > Never mind, I got it... > > > > Randy Cosby wrote: >> Anyone know how to reset the usernames/passwords to default on a Rev. 2 >> dragonwave airpair? >> >> > > -- > Randy Cosby > Vice President > InfoWest, Inc > > work: 435-773-6071

[WISPA] Heatsink? Was: Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread RickG
A heat sink? Are your radios in an enclosure? I've got mine in an outbuilding. It doesnt get too hot in there but perhaps I should consider? -RickG On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: > The cards are more expensive to manufacture, due to lower volumes but also > the higher power th

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-05 Thread Scottie Arnett
I will invite any 3.65 Mfg to let me test their gear in my environment. I have found nothing to work past 2 miles in the hills and trees of TN, except 900 Mhz Canopy. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Cowan" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-05 Thread Travis Johnson
The WiMax guys aren't interested in the WISP market... they are after the cell guys and big operators looking to place 5,000 and 10,000 CPE orders. Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: I will invite any 3.65 Mfg to let me test their gear in my environment. I have found nothing to work pa

[WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Rogelio
I've got a question that tangentially pertains to wireless stuff, but isn't really related to wireless technology, per se. We sometimes have several people working on KMZ files, and the different versions that we have gets really out of hand, and I'm hoping for a web-based (LAMP?) solution that

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread Rogelio
Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious > as to why? This is a good question, as I have not had t

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I agree. When you see wifi vendors with sub-$1000 APs in the 2.4 space and they suddenly want to sell yo basically the same tech (at a different freq range) for $1 there is a problem. Someone is cashing in on hype becase the R&D CANNOT be that expensive when you take volume of CPE/AP sales

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Charles Wyble
KMZ is a binary file format? What do you use for XLS/Word version control? Or do you simply use the built in reconciliation functionality? I'm also interested in what folks are using for binary source control. KMZ/SHP etc. Rogelio wrote: > I've got a question that tangentially pertains to wire

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Rogelio
Charles Wyble wrote: > KMZ is a binary file format? KMZ is an XML-ish format you use for Google Earth locations, which are insanely handy when planning out wi-fi spots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole_Markup_Language (While reading the wikipedia page just now, I found this interesting tidb

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Ah. Well then if it's text, git may be useful. Trac is a good frontend, that I use on a regular basis. Or something more along the lines of sharepoint I really like http://www.knowledgetree.com/ http://www.knowledgetree.com/opensource Rogelio wrote: > Charles Wyble wrote: >> KMZ is a bin

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Rogelio
Charles Wyble wrote: > Well then if it's text, git may be useful. Trac is a good frontend, that > I use on a regular basis. > > Or something more along the lines of sharepoint I really like > http://www.knowledgetree.com/ http://www.knowledgetree.com/opensource I've heard great things abo

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Subversion. ;) Bitch to setup but then easy. ryan -Original Message- From: Rogelio Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files) I've got a question that tangentially pertains t

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Rogelio
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > Subversion. ;) > > Bitch to setup but then easy. Thanks, I'll look into possibly doing that also. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I apologize for my language. :( I am 3 pitchers in after a long week. Turning off the not so smart phone now!! ryan On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Rogelio wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM, D. Ryan Spott > wrote: > Subversion. ;) > > Bitch to setup but then easy. > > Thanks, I'll loo

Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-05 Thread Jon Auer
Ditto. :-) If you go the subversion route check out tortoise svn for windows desktop client. http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ Makes subversion on the client side a piece of cake. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > I apologize for my language. :( > > I am 3 pitchers in after a l