Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Bret Clark
We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see the person

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place there. You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport. Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not expect los

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Bret Clark
I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval, but to put a wireless network up with antenna's near any airport the height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval from them in terms of an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are governed by distan

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd imagine it's on purpose by Sprint to get you to switch from Nextel to Sprint. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kurt Fankhauser" Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:35 PM To: "'WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
Agreed But in this case he said they were going on 300' towers on each side and because they were already existing I did not touch on structure construction and FAA Letters of Determination. And I assumed they were existing structures because people don't build 300' towers every day for a WIS

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11 miles from the closest tower. Both towers are existing structures so their placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs right down runway 22R. Sigh. so every plane approaching that runway will be sm

Re: [WISPA] OT: Wire taps (AC electrical)

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
Jerry Its proibably #6. You should be able to tap at the base of the pole. Usually the contractor that installs the underground cable is not from the same division as the crew that sets the poles. If you still need to tap Brundy makes a "T" tap that will clip on and do what you want to do. I

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Unless the base of the runway is in the Fresnel zone... an airplane flying through it is only going to cause a minor interruption... maybe a few seconds? I would bet it is going to be okay Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
Won't be a problem. Planes will not cause you an issue unless they fly into the tower. I have a link accross a runway at 5Ghz and jets pass through the path all day long without a glitch. And the path is only about 2 miles long. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Mes

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
As far as I can tell, the FZ is more than good there. My biggest concerns were having a big obstruction moving through it and the RF being put out by both the aircraft and the airport. Before DHL pulled out they were landing a plane every 30 seconds starting around 10 pm and then they would take

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
That makes me feel a bit more confident then. Do they pass through it on approach or cross the runway? The forward facing radar of the plane looking right at me for a few seconds didn't sound good. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Mike
Agreed. Planes flying through the Fresnel zone will have more of an impact on B type modulation than on say G. You might see selective fading because of multipath, but OFDM or some other robust modulation technique will recover from an aircraft on approach at 250 mph flying through the Fresne

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
I have a 5.8 link over an airport and a 900ap next door to the airport. No problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
So far it all sounds good. Thanks! This one might be the winner. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem

[WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

2009-09-30 Thread David Hulsebus
FYI. From SANS NewsBites September 29, 2009 Vol. 11, Num. 77 --Judge Orders Google to Deactivate Account (September 24 & 28, 2009) A US District Court Judge in California has ordered Google to deactivate the Gmail account of a user who was accidentally sent confidential bank information. An

Re: [WISPA] OT: Wire taps (AC electrical)

2009-09-30 Thread Jason Hensley
We have an agreement with our city electric department that we will furnish the enclosure and a cut-off computer power cable. They will come out and wire power to that computer power cable, into the enclosure, for us. One-time reasonable fee for us (I think it's $45, but I might be wrong). That wa

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread St. Louis Broadband
LOL, I don't know about tower climbers, but in MO if you are under 21 you cannot text and drive ;-) Which I think is a great law! V -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:13 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General L

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
So if you're 22 you can text and drive? What makes those older then 20 capable of driving while texting? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the tr

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd say I can text and drive better than half the people out there can drive by itself. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:26 AM To: ; "WISPA Ge

Re: [WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
I'm just shaking my head in wonder. Why, oh why, would anyone in the position to have access to such information think it would be "okay" to send this type of thing to an outside Gmail account? I can see an internal address but Gmail??? 100% Bonehead. -Original Message- From: wire

Re: [WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Here is an idea - don't email someone outside such information. Now that you have it still gives no right to offend an innocent person. Simply call that person and ask them to delete it and have Google verify it was done so. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Su

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Nick Olsen
You also have the ability to be drunk, while texting. With just a hair of driving. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:26 AM To: "li...@stlbroadband.com" , "WISPA General List" S

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
Okay, money making opportunity here. Come up with a way of doing a "text test" like a breathalyzer. They hide the phone, you scan with a device, find the phone, check for recent texting. Punch in some secret cop code, phone talks to the provider, displays recent text activity... blah, blah, bla

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread equip sourcing dept
Robert: I suggest grabbing your spectrum analyzer to look at the active frequencies as planes are landing and taking off. If you're 11 miles away from the airport and you are not stomping on a frequency used by any of the navigation systems you should be fine. I've run into Radar signals in

[WISPA] Anyone resells Barracuda updates?

2009-09-30 Thread Gino Villarini
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[WISPA] WISPCON?

2009-09-30 Thread Jayson Baker
I take it that it's not actually happening "OCTOBER 2009" like the site says? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ W

Re: [WISPA] WISPCON?

2009-09-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I haven't heard anything and Bullit is my upstream. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jayson Baker" Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:06 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] WISPCON?

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
I can scan for other devices. In the scan, there is nothing else except my other AP's which are separate channels not even close. -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I haven't used staros so I can't say much about the software.  Can it > see interference from anything o

[WISPA] OT: Rootenna/Antenna Enclosure for 3G?

2009-09-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Hello I have bee requested to do some installs of 3G routers with external antennas for Better signal. We could do it with standard yagi or panel antenna for 800/1900 mhz and coax but I was wondering if there where on the market any rootenna/Antenna Enclosure system where I could install the 3

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Butch, Very good ideas but... 1) Security (encryption is off). 2) I've tried several freqs. Either way, both ends are the same equipment so there shoudl not be a problem. I am familiar with Mikrotik and there is no scan list in StarOS that I am aware of. 3) No mac filtering. Unit is wide open. Yo

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Matt, Are you using the R52H cards on WRAPS? -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > I have a couple of StarOS backhauls that will only work in AP mode in > one direction.   This is very frustrating, but I have not been able to > find a solution to it, so I just deal

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
I've been doing many of my installs this way for years. I really like it. -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Under eave/over eave/facia/tree > > Can't believe nobody thought of this sooner. > > http://www.mowinet.com > > [cid:image001.jpg@01CA41AD.4ADCEA60] > >

Re: [WISPA] WISPCON?

2009-09-30 Thread Larry Yunker
Last I had heard, Michael decided that due to the state of the economy, October 2009 was probably not the right time to hold another conference. I know he has interest in scheduling another conference, but the timing must be right to draw sufficient interest & demand. Regards, Larry Yunker

Re: [WISPA] waverider vs alvarion

2009-09-30 Thread Jeremie Chism
I think ther are specific issues regarding ofdm and 900 MHz that causes problems. We did everything possible to fix noise and radio issues. We use all tiltek sector antennas with lmr cabling and cavity filters at each radio. We were able to get sporadic speeds up to 8mbps. We did a radio fi

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:53 -0400, RickG wrote: > 2) I've tried several freqs. Either way, both ends are the same > equipment so there shoudl not be a problem. I am familiar with > Mikrotik and there is no scan list in StarOS that I am aware of. Both ends being the same is not the issue. It is t

[WISPA] OT -- PEO Employee Leasing

2009-09-30 Thread Marco Coelho
General heads up! I've been using Administaff for employee leasing for a few years now. Up to this point they have been ok. They are about a 34% load on your base payroll costs (including 15% SS insurance). The health insurance was not really all that cheap at $1235.77 per month for employee + f

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
The idea is great. But I challenge whether that single Ubolt is a very secure way to mount the Dish bracket to the J-arm, considering windload. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread richard sterne
I have put up some small dishes with 1 U bolt they tend to move after time I go back and fit another bolt end of movement problems. Richard 2009/9/30 Tom DeReggi : > The idea is great.  But I challenge whether that single Ubolt is a very > secure way to mount the Dish bracket to the J-arm, consid

Re: [WISPA] Macintosh traffic issues?

2009-09-30 Thread os10rules
Which version of the Mac OS? Greg On Sep 28, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I have a problem. Tranzeo CPE Running firmware 4.0.5 connected to > MTIK AP. Client was having connection issue so I went out and > tested with my laptop. I had no issue but just to make sure I > replace

Re: [WISPA] Macintosh traffic issues?

2009-09-30 Thread os10rules
Also mDNSResponder (Bonjour) can do a lot of traffic especially if the user has a MobileMe account. Greg On Sep 28, 2009, at 3:51 PM, David E. Smith wrote: > e...@wisp-router.com wrote: >> Someone at one point told me that they seen some versions of Safari >> that is doing a lot of heavy pre

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Rick Harnish
Rick, Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? How about vds? Could be vds is set up on one but not the other. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:24 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:39 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: > Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? IIRC, "cloaking" is the name StarOS gives to 5 and 10 MHz channels? If so, this is one thing I didn't think of. Some cards MAY be able to see an AP that is "cloaked" even if that isn't the client

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 21:31 -0500, Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:39 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: > > Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? > > IIRC, "cloaking" is the name StarOS gives to 5 and 10 MHz channels? If > so, this is one thing I didn't think of. Some cards MAY be

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
I agree on that. Heck, I dont even trust grids with one u-bolt! -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > The idea is great.  But I challenge whether that single Ubolt is a very > secure way to mount the Dish bracket to the J-arm, considering windload. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDS

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
VDS reads to me like a StarOS proprietary WDS (at least the WDS in MT land) SRC: http://staros.tog.net/wiki/VDS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 23:01 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > VDS reads to me like a StarOS proprietary WDS (at least the WDS in MT land) It looks more like EoIP to me. I am basing that on this statement from the page you provided a link to: "Using this you can even do authentication and IP handout

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Cloaking is set to 1x. VDS is off. BTW: Both ends are not exactly the same: The remote (station) is running StarOS v2, the local (AP) is running v3. As I mentioned though, I have another client on it which is also running v2 with no issues. I also have a 3rd client (me) running a NS5. -RickG On We

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
VDS is a fancy way of "tunneling" a routable ip addy through multiple WRAP's without adding it to the routing tables in each. -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:39 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: >> Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? > > IIRC

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
I see - I stopped at the bullet points. Poorly written document but at least the information is there. Is the other company paying attention... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which rem

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Butch, You're good! Your comments got me investigating further. The AP running StarOS v3 (which I'm not as familiar with) did not accept the freq I put into it and defaulted to an odd freq. The config page showed the freq I wanted but the status page showed another. I have to go out to the remote

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
See why everyone should pay WISPA that tiny annual fee?! Do it now if you haven't! On 9/30/09, RickG wrote: > Butch, > > You're good! Your comments got me investigating further. The AP > running StarOS v3 (which I'm not as familiar with) did not accept the > freq I put into it and defaulted to a