Which brand of wimax gear you using?
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:38 PM
To: WIS
Axxcelera. I have a contact there that could probably get you a demo
if you are interested.
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On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:31 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"
wrote:
> Which brand of wimax gear you using?
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www
Don't hold your breath for 802.16m!
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.6
> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are
> tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business,
> so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the
> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5
> GHz
I think the new motorola is mimo.
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On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt wrote:
>> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks
>> are
>> tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP
>> business,
>> so we are taking matters into our ow
No. We use 802.16d, which is optimized for fixed wireless, and 802.16d
does not support MIMO. MIMO would be nice, but we do not think it is
worth the extra cost in the WiMAX system. As it is we get excellent
range. Last week one of our engineers was in a major CA city with a
customer and pulled 16
Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station
costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed
according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so
far.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration.
Matt
> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station
> costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed
> according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 s
Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.
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On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt wrote:
> Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree
> penetration.
>
> Matt
>
>
>> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base
>> station
>> co
They don't support PPPoE, at least not in anything but the indoor unit
which isn't available for 3.65 or 802.16D.
I didn't think Aperto's gear which is 802.16d supports MIMO either,
that's mostly an 802.16e spec unless they've come up with something
proprietary.
That's one of the reason's I'm
Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but
again we default to the "but at what cost" question. We believe this to
be especially true in more rural deployments.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.or
A caching proxy server would help that a lot. I am in the middle of
moving things around but when it was active
I was seeing a 30% drop in traffic that was not P2P.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:03 AM, MDK wrote:
> I'm a provider for a small rural school, where the computer lab has about 25
> machin
Hello,
I offer Trendnet at wholesale prices
Tracy Tippett
Tracan LLC
866-582-7287
970-396-5558 Direct
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From: "MDK"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:57:32 -0700
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
Does anyone here sell trend
My point was "without expecting compensation".
As far as your point: many thieves tell that story to the judge! "I
didnt know it was stolen!"
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Chuck Bartosch
wrote:
> If I go out and shoot a deer, I "took" it's life (and it's meat ;-). If I
> give you some, I'm
Then you get the calls saying "I cant get to this website" or "the
website doesnt come up right", etc.etc.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> A caching proxy server would help that a lot. I am in the middle of
> moving things around but when it was active
> I was seeing a 3
Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More
complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Patrick Leary"
Sent: Thursd
Yes, we support PPPoE.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Do y
We do support PPPoE Michael.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz W
802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM
To: WISPA Ge
Exactly.
Wifi mimo chips are cheap, custom fpgas and others used in wimax and
propierty protocols are more expensive.
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.or
What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and
make them good products.
The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can
do MIMO and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the
higher CAPEX for a small 802.16e deployment until they came along.
In my limited toe-dipping into 802.16d (fixed) wimax, the biggest
challenge I see is with the EMS-based control. It's just a completely
different model than what we're doing with all-in-one AP's now. I don't
yet completely understand how it works, but it concerns me a bit that
each company ha
Patrick,
On all units? I actually spoke with Aperto about this issue and they
said they had no plans to support it, that is good news, you should
update your specifications then.
I like the Aperto guys I dealt with, but part of our spec calls for
MIMO/802.16e, when you get there, then we can c
Why would you use this in rural deployment, as opposed to something like a
cheaper UBNT MIMO system, which will give you better penetration?
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but
> again we default to the "but
Myth. Total Myth. There is no interoperability in 3.65 GHz that allows someone
to source .16e CPE from any number of "Cheap asian CPEs." That is one of the
most 180 degrees wrong myths.
The fact is that every vendor, regardless of the WiMAX standard, sells its own
CPE precisely because the int
Apples to oranges. If you don't care about QoS and are happy with a best
effort service offering with limited ability to do things like voice and
video, the .11 stuff is fine. I appreciate it fits the needs of many
WISPs. Just don't make the mistake in thinking that what works for you
is best for e
Anyone heard of a gigabit switch that runs on -48vdc that doesn't cost
an arm and a leg? Only need a few ports, 8-16 would do. preferably
rackmountable.
I can find plenty of inexpensive gigabit switches, but they normally
don't list their power supply voltage, or they list 110v
Another option is
Define arm and a leg.
If I understand correctly, The HP Procurve 1810G-24 and the 1810G-8 (24 and
8 port respectively) Can be powered by POE, If that is a option for you. I
think its around $400.
Nick Olsen
Network Engineer / Customer Support
(321) 205-1100 x106
What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is
something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which
is not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies.
If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please talk only for
Aperto, not for the marketplace
I hope no one else does what's best for me... because that means I have
competent competition. :-p jk
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Patrick Leary"
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:13 PM
To
An arm and a leg would be thousands. $400 is within reason.
I'm running directly off batteries with negative earth like the telco. Not
sure if I could use a POE switch or not, but I'll check that out. Thanks.
Thanks,
Roger
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>
>> Define arm a
I ran a squid cache (3.1.X) and saw about a 30% bandwidth savings. But
it broke facebook... No more squid.
Jason W
RickG wrote:
Then you get the calls saying "I cant get to this website" or "the
website doesnt come up right", etc.etc.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Jeromie Reeves wr
My point stands Ruben; thanks for making it for me further. You are referring
to a licensed frequency of 3.5 GHz. I am referring to quasi (really unlicensed
from a practical standpoint) 3.65 GHz.
I have been around the block a very long time in this business. The rude fact
is that the big compa
How did it break Facebook?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373
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continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jason Wallace wrote:
> I ra
We now have a client running Squid. There are some sites out there which
maintain a list of major sites you should not be caching. You can add
these as exceptions.
--
Justin Wilson
http://www.mtin.net
http://www.metrospan.net
From: Jason Wallace
Reply-To: WISPA General List
Date: Thu,
Mostly, it broke the uploader. No one could upload pictures.
Also,things would just time-out or facebook would just not log in.
I was doing transparent interception and redirecting with iptables.
The network is NAT'ed and squid was on the NAT machine. I worked hard
to make it work, even co
Was Facebook the only thing problematic?
> We now have a client running Squid. There are some sites out there which
>maintain a list of major sites you should not be caching. You can add
>these as exceptions.
It would make sense to not cache Youtube, Facebook, Myspace, etc.
What sites are out
Have I missed a discussion on this already? Wish the regular FCC site
searches were as fast at this one.
http://reboot.fcc.gov/reform/systems/spectrum-dashboard
--
Randy Cosby
Vice President
InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010
http://www.infowest.com/
"Letting off steam always produces more
You could always reverse the leads for a +48 switch or pull 12v or 24v
off one or two of the batteries.
On 3/18/2010 11:50 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
> An arm and a leg would be thousands. $400 is within reason.
>
> I'm running directly off batteries with negative earth like the telco. Not
> sure if
The EZ-RJ45 System of connectors ends missed crimps and provides faultless
connections. The connectors cost a little more but how much does doing it over
cost
Tracy Tippett
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To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:39:18 -0500
Sub
On 18 March 2010 14:48, Cameron Crum wrote:
> You could always reverse the leads for a +48 switch or pull 12v or 24v
> off one or two of the batteries.
>
No no no, *DO NOT* do this! -48vdc, but its very nature, is positive ground.
If you plug in a +48vdc device with the polarity reversed it will
If you are looking for Cheap, as in Inexpensive...
CISCO/Linksys SLM2008 can be powered via POE... about $100-$120
or you can do a Mikrotik RouterBoard 750G for about $70
As to Rack mount ahh well at these prices.. just buy a rackmount
shelf (aluminum) and tie them down .
or Side mount th
Point taken. I've ever tried attaching anything but a small switch and
it's always worked out.
On 3/18/2010 1:11 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
> On 18 March 2010 14:48, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>
>> You could always reverse the leads for a +48 switch or pull 12v or 24v
>> off one or two of the batteri
I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to
use it in my city. I've been catering to my rural customers because 2.4
and 5GHZ isn't clogged out there. We already have a 3.65 license but
haven't deployed it yet, I anxiously await the MIMO gear on that frequency.
For
I'm pretty sure Alvarion's 802.16e is using MIMO. (But I'm using their .16d
stuff so I'm not an expert in the .16e production line).
Chuck
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to
> use it in my city. I've been
The same base-station company I mentioned in my previous post has done
interoperability testing and certified 3.65 CPEs from asian vendors as
well...
http://www.purewavenetworks.com/Solutions/CPEPortfolio.aspx
3.65-3.675 GHz
MTI
XS-615-035M-021
P/N: 050-00365-25M
3.6-3.
Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box? Is it two
(or more) antennas in the same polarity?
Randy
On 3/18/2010 1:23 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to
> use it in my city. I've been catering to my rural custo
For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
on your list of things you don't want?
Randy
On 3/18/2010 1:37 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> The same base-station company I mentioned in my previous post has done
> interoperability testing and certified 3.65 CPEs from asian ven
In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1
RX. It will operate at MIMO Matrix B if optimal signal can be achieved.
Otherwise it operates at MIMO A.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 2:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box? Is it t
The ASN is good for cellular type hand-off in the 802.16e mobility
profile. It's typically very expensive. Not usually required if in a
fixed application.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 2:41 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
> on your list of th
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
> on your list of things you don't want?
An ASN gateway sits between the Radio Access Network (where there are
only tunnels from the base station to the ASN GW) and the Cor
Sm has 2 rx 1 tx
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM, "Eric Muehleisen"
wrote:
> In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1
> RX. It will operate at MIMO Matrix B if optimal signal can be
> achieved.
> Otherwise it operates at MIMO A.
>
Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not
part of the picture, correct?
On 3/18/2010 1:59 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
>
>> For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
>> on your list of
You are correct. Thanks for the clarification.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 2:58 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Sm has 2 rx 1 tx
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM, "Eric Muehleisen"
> wrote:
>
>
>> In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1
Correct. No ASN. Service flows and classifications are set directly in
the AP. Radius is built into the SM. It's fully L3 routeable. Currently
no L2 functionality.
-Eric
On 3/18/2010 3:11 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not
> part of t
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not
> part of the picture, correct?
According ot its specs, no ASN gateway is required:
"Low Cost Infrastructure The CAP 320 does not require ASN gateways or
specialized CSN s
These are awesome for doing crimps while in the air, at night, in the
snow, or whatever $%^& conditions you have to repair equipment in.
Justin
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From: Tracy Tippett
Reply-To: , WISPA General List
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:
Assuming we're talking about the same thing, I think they are proposing to do
reverse auctions for the spectrum.
Chuck
On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Tony Morella wrote:
> Hello
>
> I was reading thought the National Broadband Plan and these two sections
> caught my attention:
>
> "Auction of o
Pulling off only part of the bank will lead to an imbalance, either the
batteries you're not pulling off of will get overcharged or the ones you're
pulling off of will be undercharged. It's better to use a regulator pulling
from the whole bank.
Greg
On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Cameron Crum wr
While on the subject Anyone know why the concept of positive ground was
implimented? What was accomplished by not doing negative ground like
everything else typically does?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Jeremy
Please don't do that. Unbalancing series connected batteries is always a
very bad idea.Severely shortens the life of your batteries.
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Yes. Originally the concept of an "electron" wasn't known and experiments
in the 19th Century seemed to point to "positive" things moving to
"negitave" things. I'm old enough that my early cars were
positive-ground...as is all telephony still.
. . . J o n a t h a n
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F
Folks,
Please consult a licensed electrician before making any sort of
electrical modifications to your gear.
WISPA is a great resource, but there are times when you need to consult
a professional. Electricity is definitely one of those things. Failure
to do so, could be the last thing you fail
Licensed is good. Someone you know with experience and knowledge is
better. Especially when you ask them to do a solid job.
Did something happen recently?
On 3/18/10, Charles N Wyble wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Please consult a licensed electrician before making any sort of
> electrical modifications
Josh Luthman wrote:
> Licensed is good. Someone you know with experience and knowledge is
> better.
Very very true.
> Especially when you ask them to do a solid job.
>
Yep.
> Did something happen recently?
>
Nope. Just the recent thread on the list about switching stuff around.
It seeme
Licensed Electrician is also a way of CYA in case anything goes wrong.
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Justin Wilson
http://www.mtin.net
http://www.metrospan.net
From: Charles N Wyble
Reply-To: WISPA General List
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:10:39 -0700
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder
J
A Licensed Eletrician with an Insurance Certificate. :-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:04:56
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder
Licensed Electrician is also a way of CYA in
On 18 March 2010 19:26, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> While on the subject Anyone know why the concept of positive ground
> was
> implimented? What was accomplished by not doing negative ground like
> everything else typically does?
>
My understand is that a negative ground outside copper plant will
...hence, the current reality.
Thanks,
. . . J o n a t h a n
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch
On 18 Mar
Same here.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jason Wallace wrote:
> I ran a squid cache (3.1.X) and saw about a 30% bandwidth savings. But it
> broke facebook... No more squid.
>
>
> Jason W
> RickG wrote:
>
> Then you get the calls saying "I cant get to this website" or "the
> website doesnt co
No thanks - something else to maintain. I'd rather pay for the bandwidth.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN wrote:
> We now have a client running Squid. There are some sites out there which
> maintain a list of major sites you should not be caching. You can add
> these as
FYI: Pat does know this industry inside & out. In my book, he has
earned the right to toot his horn. I'm certain others in the industry
will vouch for him as well. Many have come & gone on this list so
we're fortunate to have him still around. I've been on the list since
'04 and have learned a lot
Does anyone have one yet?
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:56 PM, BlueMesh wrote:
> *Which Would You Prefer to Manage Your WISP?* *Bandwidth
> Controller. $500 - $1,000* *Services
> Router.. $475 - $1,200* *Network Access
> Controller... $595
Do you mean like that short I wired into a 220 circuit just the other day???
Man, that was some stimulating stuff! Yikes! A little spray paint, a new
run of wire... No one knows!
HA!
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
http://www.ebox-platform.com/
This is a better solution for the money.
RickG wrote:
> Does anyone have one yet?
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:56 PM, BlueMesh wrote:
>
>
>> *Which Would You Prefer to Manage Your WISP?* *Bandwidth
>> Controller. $500 - $1,000* *Services
>
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