Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Carlos, the Cisco 1242's bridge, but need to be put in a NEMA box to be outdoor rated. You can get them for about $500 on the street. Now, before everyone jumps on, YES, they are more expensive than Mikrotik and some others, but they do bridge well. JT -Original Message- From: Carlos A. Garcia G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 08:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need opinion Thank u very much at the list the opinions that you gaved me has help me a lot, as far as i could see it is that its better to work with 4 radio bridges, not the las time i did that i use cisco 2.4 1310 bridge i have to say that works very stable, but the solution for 5.8 its the 1400 as far as i remember only one bridge has the cost of 4000 us, that much more expensive that i tought so i have checked another products recently i checked proxim QuickBridge.11 5054-R, who has used the proxim equipments, any one with experience can tell me about it? Chad Halsted escribió: StarOS has the ability to run a VDS tunnel from any two StarOS V3 devices. That will enable you to run a 128 or 256 bit AES encrypted tunnel. If memory serves me correctly, Lonnie is able to get 15mbps or more out of that type of setup? If you're worried about interference, try x2 or x4 cloaking on the 5GHz bands. I'm getting ready to install a dedicated T1 replacement, the customer was worried about security. The ability to encrypt with AES won them over. I should have said 3 WAR boards, not RADIOS, sorry about the confusion. The amount of radios you use is up to you, but you would want atleast 4 radio cards for what you're trying to do. On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this NOC war with one antenna and radio at 5.8GHz to connect with the middle POP war dual 2 radios 2 antennas at 5.8GHz and finally the customer POP war and what about security the guy ask me to doit secure meaning not easy for the folks. (he knows total security its an utopia a Guajiro dream!!) Lonnie Nunweiler escribió: My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap. Even a couple of subscribers will make it pay. At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to point to main and the remote end. If you want some local service at that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Your choice. The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use. This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either end. You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each end and potentially the middle. Lonnie On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Thank u very much at the list the opinions that you gaved me has help me a lot, as far as i could see it is that its better to work with 4 radio bridges, not the las time i did that i use cisco 2.4 1310 bridge i have to say that works very stable, but the solution for 5.8 its the 1400 as far as i remember only one bridge has the cost of 4000 us, that much more expensive that i tought so i have checked another products recently i checked proxim QuickBridge.11 5054-R, who has used the proxim equipments, any one with experience can tell me about it? Chad Halsted escribió: StarOS has the ability to run a VDS tunnel from any two StarOS V3 devices. That will enable you to run a 128 or 256 bit AES encrypted tunnel. If memory serves me correctly, Lonnie is able to get 15mbps or more out of that type of setup? If you're worried about interference, try x2 or x4 cloaking on the 5GHz bands. I'm getting ready to install a dedicated T1 replacement, the customer was worried about security. The ability to encrypt with AES won them over. I should have said 3 WAR boards, not RADIOS, sorry about the confusion. The amount of radios you use is up to you, but you would want atleast 4 radio cards for what you're trying to do. On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this NOC war with one antenna and radio at 5.8GHz to connect with the middle POP war dual 2 radios 2 antennas at 5.8GHz and finally the customer POP war and what about security the guy ask me to doit secure meaning not easy for the folks. (he knows total security its an utopia a Guajiro dream!!) Lonnie Nunweiler escribió: My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap. Even a couple of subscribers will make it pay. At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to point to main and the remote end. If you want some local service at that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Your choice. The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use. This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either end. You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each end and potentially the middle. Lonnie On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
StarOS has the ability to run a VDS tunnel from any two StarOS V3 devices. That will enable you to run a 128 or 256 bit AES encrypted tunnel. If memory serves me correctly, Lonnie is able to get 15mbps or more out of that type of setup? If you're worried about interference, try x2 or x4 cloaking on the 5GHz bands. I'm getting ready to install a dedicated T1 replacement, the customer was worried about security. The ability to encrypt with AES won them over. I should have said 3 WAR boards, not RADIOS, sorry about the confusion. The amount of radios you use is up to you, but you would want atleast 4 radio cards for what you're trying to do. On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this NOC war with one antenna and radio at 5.8GHz to connect with the middle POP war dual 2 radios 2 antennas at 5.8GHz and finally the customer POP war and what about security the guy ask me to doit secure meaning not easy for the folks. (he knows total security its an utopia a Guajiro dream!!) Lonnie Nunweiler escribió: My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap. Even a couple of subscribers will make it pay. At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to point to main and the remote end. If you want some local service at that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Your choice. The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use. This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either end. You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each end and potentially the middle. Lonnie On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap. Even a couple of subscribers will make it pay. At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to point to main and the remote end. If you want some local service at that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Your choice. The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use. This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either end. You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each end and potentially the middle. Lonnie On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Ok, following your recomendations in order to set up the link without using more than 3 radios what you recommend its to use th WAR from Staros i have a wireless repeaters using cisco so the extra radios for customers are not necesary (sorry my english) if i use this NOC war with one antenna and radio at 5.8GHz to connect with the middle POP war dual 2 radios 2 antennas at 5.8GHz and finally the customer POP war and what about security the guy ask me to doit secure meaning not easy for the folks. (he knows total security its an utopia a Guajiro dream!!) Lonnie Nunweiler escribió: My recommendation is to have a dual WAR board at the main POP. Use a 5 GHz antenna and radio to connect tot the middle repeater and have a 2.4 GHz with an omni at the main just to be able to connect any local customers. The biggest investment is the CPU board and time to install, and an extra radio and 15 dB omni is cheap. Even a couple of subscribers will make it pay. At the middle repeater I would use a dual WAR with 5 GHz radios to point to main and the remote end. If you want some local service at that repeater then use a 4 port WAR and throw a 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz card in it or both 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Your choice. The remote end is a copy of the main end with a dual WAR and 5 GHz input and a 2.4 GHz to an omni for local use. This arrangement will get you 20 to 30 mbps of sustained throughput as long as the middle repeater is no farther than 30 miles from either end. You'll also have a couple of revenue generating AP units at each end and potentially the middle. Lonnie On 12/12/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just recived an answer from chad saying that starOS its a good choice, thanks chad ill check it, for your question yes i w'd like to play, i have never deployed my routers, but i really would like to, so im like a newbie compared to the people in this list but im hungry to learn the how to, thanks to everybody, this is an amazing list. Mario Pommier escribió: Carlos, that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate: Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each. Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the tools and toys out there? The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished products? Hope that helps some. Mario Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
11 megs like your Cisco radios claim (then actually do half or less than that) or a real 11 meg? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need opinion reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Marlon, For WDS, you lose half your capacity, so an 11meg link will instantly drop down to 5.5meg if I understand it right. Having said that, I've got a couple of Tranzeo AP's running WDS right now, working as a repeater, and the performance is horrible. I think part of my problem though is that they are so close together (less than a mile) and I think they are seriously interfering with each other. I've been planning / trying to move this to a better solution for a month and just haven't gotten it done. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need opinion 11 megs like your Cisco radios claim (then actually do half or less than that) or a real 11 meg? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need opinion reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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If reliability is your main issue then you may reconsider using wifi product and omni antennas. There are so many things that can effect the radio signal. If you link to experiment then perhaps it's good to go with WAR boards as it's kind of a make it yourself solution. If you want something that just goes in and is secure and works then be prepared to spend more money. So first you need to know what you are looking for and how much money you have to spend. Marlon's idea with the Tranzeo operating in WDS is good for low cost without having to make it yourself. But you still need someplace in the middle that you can put a radio. If you don't have that then it's time to look at different ways to do this. Too many questions and not enough answers yet. Mike Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP We are having our 13th annual EC Expo January 17-19, 2007 in Denver Colorado. There is 2 days of training from Canopy, Airaya, Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Stratex, Inscape data, Trylon and Polyphaser. The exhibits will be on Friday January 19th. Visit www.ec-expo.com for registration and information. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Ihave never check the real speed but the radio it is a G so it must be more than that Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: 11 megs like your Cisco radios claim (then actually do half or less than that) or a real 11 meg? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need opinion reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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OK, about the cost lets say max 1300 Dlls each equipment, could be any equipment that solve the problem, well actually its not a problem i have done this kind of link before what i want now it is not to use 4 equipments and doing with 5.8 Mike Brownson escribió: If reliability is your main issue then you may reconsider using wifi product and omni antennas. There are so many things that can effect the radio signal. If you link to experiment then perhaps it's good to go with WAR boards as it's kind of a make it yourself solution. If you want something that just goes in and is secure and works then be prepared to spend more money. So first you need to know what you are looking for and how much money you have to spend. Marlon's idea with the Tranzeo operating in WDS is good for low cost without having to make it yourself. But you still need someplace in the middle that you can put a radio. If you don't have that then it's time to look at different ways to do this. Too many questions and not enough answers yet. Mike Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc--ap/wds--cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need opinion
Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP We are having our 13th annual EC Expo January 17-19, 2007 in Denver Colorado. There is 2 days of training from Canopy, Airaya, Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Stratex, Inscape data, Trylon and Polyphaser. The exhibits will be on Friday January 19th. Visit www.ec-expo.com for registration and information. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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StarOS with WAR boards. Depending on the speed you need and your budget, you could go with either the WAR2 or WAR4 boards. This platform gives you great flexibility being able to use 900MHz, 2.4 and 5GHz. WAR2 - dual ethernet, dual radio (mpci), 266MHz CPU WAR4 - dual ethernet, quad radio (mpci), 533MHz CPU so your setup would be NOC POPOffice WAR WAR WAR 3 radios instead of 4. www.star-os.com On 12/11/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
