Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec]FCC&DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Charles, Well thats exactly what I had in my 3650 comments. I'm uploading today after proof reading. I recommend that others also send in comments of the same nature to support 3650 as a WISP small copetitive ISP band. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec]FCC&DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Yes, the BELLs are AWARE of WISPs. Exactly why we need to protect the use of the Spectrum for our own special interests. Perhaps a better method of lobbying would be to influence the 3650 band for Form 477 registered independent / small ISPs / CLECs / WISPs In the broadcast world...there are limits to how many radio stations / TV stations one should own A regulated, open and semi coordinated WISP band (3650 & 700) where companies (or subsidiaries) w/ significant monopoly assets for that particular market are denied access (e.g., if you own the copper / cable plant in that town, you can't use it, but if you don't, you can) might be the way to go Thoughts? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC&DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Yes, the BELLs are AWARE of WISPs. Exactly why we need to protect the use of the Spectrum for our own special interests. Perhaps a better method of lobbying would be to influence the 3650 band for Form 477 registered independent / small ISPs / CLECs / WISPs In the broadcast world...there are limits to how many radio stations / TV stations one should own A regulated, open and semi coordinated WISP band (3650 & 700) where companies (or subsidiaries) w/ significant monopoly assets for that particular market are denied access (e.g., if you own the copper / cable plant in that town, you can't use it, but if you don't, you can) might be the way to go Thoughts? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
We are already regulated to a degree. One regulation was to declare that all broadband operators must file a form 477? I think that is the number. This is just the first of a hundred other steps that all add up to what is commonly referred to as regulation. The constraints we have on the frequencies we use and the protections (or lack thereof) that we have are also regulated. The system certification requirements for any gear used in our bands is a form of regulation. The ability to access locations for placement of antennas is a form of regulation. Whether or not we can or cannot filter content on the Internet itself is a form of regulation. The FCC is mandating that VOIP traffic be allowed to flow through all networks unencumbered is a regulation. The ability for us to remain free of liability for the content that others store or transmit on the Internet is part of the regulation of our industry. The Code of Federal "Regulations" has much to say about how we operate our business. The next time someone says we are unregulated just give them a few of these examples. If given time I am sure I can come up with many more. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Here's the issue If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready to ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote myself...the government won't support "double standards" Good or bad, that's hard to say -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Anyone care to comment on this? Should we also jump into this? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering Internet related products and or services, and their customers. Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate Open Access. What does this mean and what should you do? While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions for access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that this does not bode well for the future of our industry. While the argument on the Hill has been that this will create greater competition, any first grader who can count apples and oranges will recognize that when you take a bunch of them off the table there will be fewer to count and compete. It defies logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose if you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth. First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride. Second, while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us to mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition. As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each of the FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your business and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, small business, consumers and our economy. It would also be a good idea to copy your congressional representatives office when you send the message. You can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative Action Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/. For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of the FCC Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in crafting your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers. For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment Filing System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, 04-416, 04-440 and 04-405. Copy, paste and edit the below sample letter, edit to your liking and submit a PDF or Word .doc. Make sure they know who you are and use company letter head. Create another for your customers and or have them sign off on a petition and list all t
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC &DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Charles, I gotto stand behind both your comments. Yes, the BELLs are AWARE of WISPs. Exactly why we need to protect the use of the Spectrum for our own special interests. And YES, WISPs are a force today. It not about how large a force, but a force that has a unique ability to tackle the problems of a unique niche in the market. Wisp server people that no one else can serve as of today. WISPs are also available to marketers, we own the eye balls to the underserved population. In our market segment, we are the dominant player. The ILECs in some cases are actually minorities in some of our markets. The fact that the ILEC may dominate their markets is irrelevant. What will be exciting is when WISPs collectively share the vision that they are infact valuable, and use that leverage to also compete head to head in ILEC markets, not just the underserved. Today most of the recognition for WISPs always refers to underserved. I think we have the wrong approach in what we ask for. The Governement say here some money or spectrum for you as a gift to go serve that underserved area that no one else wants even the ILECCs that are paid USF funds to go deploy it. What we should be asking is, We'll go deploy those underserved areas, but in trade, we want a peice of the action in prime markets to help subsidize our underserved operations. Or let us have those subsidees, grants, small business programs, that every other industry has to support rural and small business development. Why isn't it important to have it in the Internet Provider industry to? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:02 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC &DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation FWIW, the Bells ARE AWARE that WISPs exist and are figuring out what to do about them...(I can attest to this personally) -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Well thats not true. They do it every day. Life is not fair and life is not equal. Its all about votes and keeping the majority happy. Even if the ultimate goal was to regul;ate WISPs as well, it could takes years to finally have that happen in the courts, if enough resistence was put forth to support unequal views that benefited consumers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Charles, I think that statement is about the most ridiculous (& hilarious) thing I have ever heard you say. I am glad that its in writing! :-) If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even being thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the ILECs. You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who have been here a while and have a real picture of "whats what" know better than that. Try Again :-) -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4107 - Monroe, La 318-450-4101 - NOC Charles Wu wrote: Here's the issue If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready to ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote myself...the government won't support "double standards" Good or bad, that's hard to say -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Anyone care to comment on this? Should we also jump into this? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Everything has already been setup by WISPA. One of the major things WISPA needs to be this force it numbers. Everyone on this list needs to join. JOIN NOW! Mac Dearman wrote: See inline comments please :-* for your reading pleasure Charles Wu wrote: The other day, I stated what you just said, and I got flamed by Johnny O for "poo-pooing" the WISP industry Now, I state that the WISP industry is a force, and I get smacked again Jeez... Awww now, I didn't smack you, but you may get smacked for calling us cheap and broke!! In the South that is something only our wives and Moms can do. That comment is out of bounds for anyone else. That said, although WISPs are cheap and WISPs have no money and etc etc etc, you can't deny the fact that collectively speaking, the WISP industry is "somewhat" of a force in the broadband industry. Right now, it's estimated that there are over 1 million broadband subs in the US alone being serviced by WISPs...given that there are only about 30 million broadband subs in total around the country, 1/30th of the market isn't exactly "nothing" I dint say we were "nothing" - - I said we wouldn't make a pimple on a telco's ass. If you have ever had a pimple on your ass you couldn't deny its presence as it would demand an occasional scratch to remind you it was really there! Thats what we as WISPs are - - - an occasional annoyance to the Telcos. Individually we arent anything, but collectively we are seen, heard and "will be" a force to be reckoned with in the coming future. If we ever get our "stuff" together it would be possible to eliminate the need for the Telcos and their fiber - - but now I have gone to dreaming. In fact, if the WISP market didn't exist, why would the FCC, in their 3650 ruling, state that it was set aside for WISPs See, I told you collectively we were a pimple! Maybe in another year we may "fester" - - hehehehehe Hrm...maybe this is impetus to do a survey of the WISP industry (e.g., let's find every WISP) - get a customer count, etc - it would be interesting to now what the true size of it actually is Some food for thought IMPETUS: 1. An impelling force; an impulse. 2. The force or energy associated with a moving body. 3. 1. Something that incites; a stimulus. 2. Increased activity in response to a stimulus: /The approaching deadline gave impetus to the investigation./ You made me go to the dictionary already this morning. I would just as soon the Govt wait another year or two before they demand all WISPs report irregardless of the subscriber count. I think in a couple more years that we collectively will have a good market share of the total subscribers on high speed internet. I think then that we will have the attention of the Country and be recognized as a force that demands (and deserves) attention and respect. I do believe that we will cause the eyes of a lot of big business to roll around a time or two in their heads. The delivery of VOIP on our networks will be a leading cause of this IMHO. Anytime the Govt allows us to compete with the Telcos in this fashion - - - - it has got to make a wave!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
See inline comments please :-* for your reading pleasure Charles Wu wrote: The other day, I stated what you just said, and I got flamed by Johnny O for "poo-pooing" the WISP industry Now, I state that the WISP industry is a force, and I get smacked again Jeez... Awww now, I didn't smack you, but you may get smacked for calling us cheap and broke!! In the South that is something only our wives and Moms can do. That comment is out of bounds for anyone else. That said, although WISPs are cheap and WISPs have no money and etc etc etc, you can't deny the fact that collectively speaking, the WISP industry is "somewhat" of a force in the broadband industry. Right now, it's estimated that there are over 1 million broadband subs in the US alone being serviced by WISPs...given that there are only about 30 million broadband subs in total around the country, 1/30th of the market isn't exactly "nothing" I dint say we were "nothing" - - I said we wouldn't make a pimple on a telco's ass. If you have ever had a pimple on your ass you couldn't deny its presence as it would demand an occasional scratch to remind you it was really there! Thats what we as WISPs are - - - an occasional annoyance to the Telcos. Individually we arent anything, but collectively we are seen, heard and "will be" a force to be reckoned with in the coming future. If we ever get our "stuff" together it would be possible to eliminate the need for the Telcos and their fiber - - but now I have gone to dreaming. In fact, if the WISP market didn't exist, why would the FCC, in their 3650 ruling, state that it was set aside for WISPs See, I told you collectively we were a pimple! Maybe in another year we may "fester" - - hehehehehe Hrm...maybe this is impetus to do a survey of the WISP industry (e.g., let's find every WISP) - get a customer count, etc - it would be interesting to now what the true size of it actually is Some food for thought IMPETUS: 1. An impelling force; an impulse. 2. The force or energy associated with a moving body. 3. 1. Something that incites; a stimulus. 2. Increased activity in response to a stimulus: /The approaching deadline gave impetus to the investigation./ You made me go to the dictionary already this morning. I would just as soon the Govt wait another year or two before they demand all WISPs report irregardless of the subscriber count. I think in a couple more years that we collectively will have a good market share of the total subscribers on high speed internet. I think then that we will have the attention of the Country and be recognized as a force that demands (and deserves) attention and respect. I do believe that we will cause the eyes of a lot of big business to roll around a time or two in their heads. The delivery of VOIP on our networks will be a leading cause of this IMHO. Anytime the Govt allows us to compete with the Telcos in this fashion - - - - it has got to make a wave!! -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4107 - Monroe, La 318-450-4101 - NOC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation The other day, I stated what you just said, and I got flamed by Johnny O for "poo-pooing" the WISP industry Charles - I did not flame you - And the reason I posted and said what I did was because of your arrogant attitude towards the Mom and Pop WISPs. My response was a build up of reading your posts the past several months - YES I READ YOUR POSTS ! I agree with a LOT of what you say, but there are many times we have difference of opinions. I enjoy reading your posts.. And yes - when I feel bitten - I will bite back... JohnnyO Now, I state that the WISP industry is a force, and I get smacked again Jeez... That said, although WISPs are cheap and WISPs have no money and etc etc etc, you can't deny the fact that collectively speaking, the WISP industry is "somewhat" of a force in the broadband industry. Right now, it's estimated that there are over 1 million broadband subs in the US alone being serviced by WISPs...given that there are only about 30 million broadband subs in total around the country, 1/30th of the market isn't exactly "nothing" In fact, if the WISP market didn't exist, why would the FCC, in their 3650 ruling, state that it was set aside for WISPs Hrm...maybe this is impetus to do a survey of the WISP industry (e.g., let's find every WISP) - get a customer count, etc - it would be interesting to now what the true size of it actually is Some food for thought -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
FWIW, the Bells ARE AWARE that WISPs exist and are figuring out what to do about them...(I can attest to this personally) -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL-WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Well thats not true. They do it every day. Life is not fair and life is not equal. Its all about votes and keeping the majority happy. Even if the ultimate goal was to regul;ate WISPs as well, it could takes years to finally have that happen in the courts, if enough resistence was put forth to support unequal views that benefited consumers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation > Charles, > > I think that statement is about the most ridiculous (& hilarious) > thing > I have ever heard you say. I am glad that its in writing! :-) > If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a > pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even being > thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the ILECs. > You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who have > been here a while and have a real picture of "whats what" know better than > that. > Try Again :-) > > -- > Mac Dearman > Maximum Access, LLC. > www.inetsouth.com > 318-728-8600 - Rayville > 318-303-4107 - Monroe, La > 318-450-4101 - NOC > > > > > Charles Wu wrote: > >>Here's the issue >> >>If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be >>ready >>to >>ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network >>infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote >>myself...the government won't support "double standards" >> >>Good or bad, that's hard to say >> >>-Charles >> >>--- >>WISPNOG Park City, UT >>http://www.wispnog.com >>August 15-17, 2005 >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 >>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM >>To: wireless@wispa.org >>Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA >>ACTIONRecommendation >> >> >>Anyone care to comment on this? Should we also jump into this? >> >>Marlon >>(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! >>64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >> >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM >>Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation >> >> >> >>> >>>-- >>>Mike Hammett >>>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM >>>Subject: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation >>> >>> >>> >>>>For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering >>>>Internet related products and or services, and their customers. >>>> >>>> >>>>Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate >>>>Open >>>>Access. What does this mean and what should you do? >>>> >>>>While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions >>>>for >>>>access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that this >>>>does not bode well for the future of our industry. While the argument >>>>on the Hill has been that this will create greater competition, any >>>>first grader who can count apples and oranges will recognize that when >>
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even being thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the ILECs. You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who have been here a while and have a real picture of "whats what" know better than that. The other day, I stated what you just said, and I got flamed by Johnny O for "poo-pooing" the WISP industry Now, I state that the WISP industry is a force, and I get smacked again Jeez... That said, although WISPs are cheap and WISPs have no money and etc etc etc, you can't deny the fact that collectively speaking, the WISP industry is "somewhat" of a force in the broadband industry. Right now, it's estimated that there are over 1 million broadband subs in the US alone being serviced by WISPs...given that there are only about 30 million broadband subs in total around the country, 1/30th of the market isn't exactly "nothing" In fact, if the WISP market didn't exist, why would the FCC, in their 3650 ruling, state that it was set aside for WISPs Hrm...maybe this is impetus to do a survey of the WISP industry (e.g., let's find every WISP) - get a customer count, etc - it would be interesting to now what the true size of it actually is Some food for thought -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Well thats not true. They do it every day. Life is not fair and life is not equal. Its all about votes and keeping the majority happy. Even if the ultimate goal was to regul;ate WISPs as well, it could takes years to finally have that happen in the courts, if enough resistence was put forth to support unequal views that benefited consumers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL -WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Charles, I think that statement is about the most ridiculous (& hilarious) thing I have ever heard you say. I am glad that its in writing! :-) If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even being thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the ILECs. You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who have been here a while and have a real picture of "whats what" know better than that. Try Again :-) -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4107 - Monroe, La 318-450-4101 - NOC Charles Wu wrote: Here's the issue If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready to ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote myself...the government won't support "double standards" Good or bad, that's hard to say -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Anyone care to comment on this? Should we also jump into this? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering Internet related products and or services, and their customers. Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate Open Access. What does this mean and what should you do? While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions for access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that this does not bode well for the future of our industry. While the argument on the Hill has been that this will create greater competition, any first grader who can count apples and oranges will recognize that when you take a bunch of them off the table there will be fewer to count and compete. It defies logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose if you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth. First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride. Second, while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us to mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition. As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each of the FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your business and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, small business, consumers and our economy. It would also be a good idea to copy your congressional representatives office when you send the message. You can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative Action Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/. For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of the FCC Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in crafting your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers. For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment Filing System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, 04-416, 04-440 and 04-405. Co
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Charles, I think that statement is about the most ridiculous (& hilarious) thing I have ever heard you say. I am glad that its in writing! :-) If all the WISPs in the country banded together we wouldn't be a pimple on the ass of a Telco like the Bells. We are so far from even being thought of as a mosquito in a heard of Elephants compared to the ILECs. You may scare some folks with that statement, but those of us who have been here a while and have a real picture of "whats what" know better than that. Try Again :-) -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4107 - Monroe, La 318-450-4101 - NOC Charles Wu wrote: Here's the issue If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready to ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote myself...the government won't support "double standards" Good or bad, that's hard to say -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Anyone care to comment on this? Should we also jump into this? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering Internet related products and or services, and their customers. Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate Open Access. What does this mean and what should you do? While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions for access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that this does not bode well for the future of our industry. While the argument on the Hill has been that this will create greater competition, any first grader who can count apples and oranges will recognize that when you take a bunch of them off the table there will be fewer to count and compete. It defies logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose if you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth. First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride. Second, while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us to mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition. As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each of the FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your business and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, small business, consumers and our economy. It would also be a good idea to copy your congressional representatives office when you send the message. You can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative Action Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/. For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of the FCC Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in crafting your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers. For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment Filing System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, 04-416, 04-440 and 04-405. Copy, paste and edit the below sample letter, edit to your liking and submit a PDF or Word .doc. Make sure they know who you are and use company letter head. Create another for your customers and or have them sign off on a petition and list all those separately on the letters and ECFS uploaded lists. Chairman Kevin Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner Michael Copps - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner Kathleen Abernathy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Chairman or Commissioner _; We are an ISP, CLEC, or whatever in City___, State_ and serve #'s__ of customers. Deregulation will harm our business and the ability to provide competitive services to our cu
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation
Here's the issue If you vote to regulate the bells, then you (as WISPs) must also be ready to ultimately submit yourself (or at least your facilities based network infrastructure) to regulation sometime in the near future - to requote myself...the government won't support "double standards" Good or bad, that's hard to say -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation Anyone care to comment on this? Should we also jump into this? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [WISP] Fw: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation > > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:51 PM > Subject: [isp-clec] FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTION Recommendation > > >> For all competitive service providers, or other businesses offering >> Internet >> related products and or services, and their customers. >> >> >> Tomorrow, or very soon thereafter, we will see the FCC deregulate >> Open Access. What does this mean and what should you do? >> >> While the answers are not clear on what the new terms and conditions >> for access (if any) will mean to thousands of ISP's we do know that >> this does not bode well for the future of our industry. While the >> argument on the Hill has been that this will create greater >> competition, any first grader who can count apples and oranges will >> recognize that when you take a bunch of them off the table there will >> be fewer to count and compete. It defies >> logic that the Bells have been able to sell this argument, but I suppose >> if >> you say it long and loud enough it mysteriously becomes a truth. >> >> First, brace yourself for it is going to be a rough and bumpy ride. >> Second, >> while it will not change the immediate outcome, it is contingent upon us >> to >> mobilize and send a message to the FCC that we are watching and are >> organizing our industry, business and consumers in opposition. >> >> As soon as you read this message take a moment to send word to each >> of >> the >> FCC Commissioners about your concerns and the consequences to your >> business >> and that the ultimate impact of deregulation will be bad for America, >> small >> business, consumers and our economy. It would also be a good idea to >> copy >> your congressional representatives office when you send the message. You >> can find congressional contact information in the WBIA Legislative Action >> Center at http://capwiz.com/wbia/home/. >> >> For your convenience we have provided the Email address for each of >> the >> FCC >> Commissioners and a sample letter which you are welcome to use in >> crafting >> your own message. Edit accordingly to give out to your customers. >> >> For posting a letter (not comment) on the FCC Electronic Comment >> Filing System, do one post each of the following dockets: 04-29, >> 04-416, 04-440 and 04-405. Copy, paste and edit the below sample >> letter, edit to your liking and submit a PDF or Word .doc. >> >> Make sure they know who you are and use company letter head. Create >> another >> for your customers and or have them sign off on a petition and list all >> those separately on the letters and ECFS uploaded lists. >> >> >> Chairman Kevin Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Commissioner Michael Copps - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner >> Jonathan Adelstein - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commissioner Kathleen >> Abernathy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Dear Chairman or Commissioner _; >> >> We are an ISP, CLEC, or whatever in City___, State_ and serve >> #'s__ of customers. Deregulation will harm our business and the >> ability >> to provide competitive services to our customers. Consumers need and >> deserve the choice they enjoy today and deregulation will take away >> their right to choose providers and services. >> >> President Bush signed Executive Order 13272 on August 13, 2002 >> requiring federal agencies to implement policies protecting small >> entities when writing new rules and regulations. President Bush' >> Small Business Agenda states that every new business starts with an >> idea for a better product or process, which has been the dri
