Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-02 Thread Adam Greene
of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-02 Thread 3-dB Networks
, February 02, 2009 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-02 Thread Gino Villarini
: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? If you need less than 100mbps and 5-9 reliabilty, you are better off in all factors and comparisons, staying with Licensed 18Ghz or 23Ghz or 24Ghz. It will cost less, and be less risk

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-29 Thread Adam Greene
: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-29 Thread Gino Villarini
29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
Ceragon has a very good name, but is much more expensive than Dragonwave (and honestly I have a hard time finding the value proposition to Ceragon over Dragonwave... even though I sell Ceragon gear) Hehe...I might argue the same of Trango vs Dragonwave =) Ceragon and Dragonwave will probably be

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
Hi Bob, I don't think Trango will be a good fit considering the 20-25 mile link distances, 18 Ghz. and the reduced tx power compared to others in the lower bands. You forget that Travis lives in RF Nirvana In RF Nirvana, 38 GHz goes 15 miles and 18 GHz 30 miles with 99.999% uptime -Charles

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
Hi Bob, I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5 and

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
Hi Tom, But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. I would argue that after taking Matt L out of the equation, 100 Mb FD is more than enough for

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
Hi Brad, Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. Being the devil's advocate I recently priced

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Brad Belton
Of Charles Wu (CTI) Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hi Brad, Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread John Scrivner
: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread lakeland
: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread 3-dB Networks
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Brad Belton
BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Gino Villarini
Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Dragonwave can pull off up to 1.6Gpbs... but that isn't line speed I don't think. Anyways the attached pdf explains it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread 3-dB Networks
Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Dragonwave can pull off up to 1.6Gpbs... but that isn't line speed I don't think. Anyways the attached pdf explains it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread can...@believewireless.net
General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Brad Belton
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
- From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-19 Thread Brad Belton
depending on who you ask. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-18 Thread 3-dB Networks
Comments inline Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ceragon,

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-18 Thread Bob Moldashel
I don't think Trango will be a good fit considering the 20-25 mile link distances, 18 Ghz. and the reduced tx power compared to others in the lower bands. Travis Johnson wrote: Take a look at the Trango GigaLink and APEX radios. They make both an IDU/ODU and just an ODU option. We just

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-18 Thread Bob Moldashel
Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-18 Thread 3-dB Networks
... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Wella couple of notes... I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing a breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No guessing about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the interface cable

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, DragonWave and whatelse?

2009-01-17 Thread Mike Bushard Jr
DragonWave has their Horizon Duo, which is a split mount system. If you enable the second radio in the unit you take a pretty TX power hit though. No 6ghz radio though, which you will want at 20-25 miles. I had a ton of problems with my 2 Airpair 11Ghz links. Knock on wood, they have been running

Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-01-17 Thread Travis Johnson
Take a look at the Trango GigaLink and APEX radios. They make both an IDU/ODU and just an ODU option. We just installed the APEX 18ghz systems. At one location we used the fiber option and it works great. You can contact them directly (www.trangobroadband.com) or contact Charles @ CTI. They