Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

Not sure about that old snot stuff, but the Mohawk stuff comes off pretty easily. I keep one of those plastic pull up baby wipe things in the trailer. The baby wipes clean it right off the ends when I'm prepping for a crimp, and off my hands when done. I like that "lanolin" like stuff much b

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

I was told to use rubbing alcohol by an electrician to get the icky-pick off of hands etc. On 12/17/09 11:12 AM, "Ryan Spott" wrote: The icky-pick or monkey-s*** as my telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to get off. I

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

The icky-pick or monkey-s*** as my telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot. I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it g

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

> I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But > to answer your question... > > We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable > (allrfcables.com) for all other. Are you using the Shireen shielded cat-5? Any problems putting connectors on? Ma

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I've been really happy with the Shireen cable. I use the metal shielded for my towers (great stuff at the radio station site we're on) and the double insulated cable for my customers. It's a bit more expensive than some cables, but so far it's proven worth the money. If only they could sh

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Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Customer complaints??? About what's inside the cable?! Lol. Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable

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On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > Customer complaints??? About what's inside the cable?! Lol. Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable when you have a long run. -- * Butch Evans

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On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:09 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy. I have. It is more common to see in very warm environments, I think. One of my customers in southern California does use a nylon tie wrap to "bend" the cable and it seems to help some. --

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My BDDN cable comes 275' down the tower. It runs about 25' horizontal and then up 4'. After almost 5 years, it still oozes gel out at the lower end. I doubt that a wire tie will stop it. The gel is inside the inner jacket with the twisted pairs. No way I see you will get the jacket to stay

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:09 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling > > Oh I see - when you said leaky I assumed water. > > Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

crimp the end on. Then maybe a zip tie? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Oh I see - when you said leaky I

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We intend to run it to the base location, we are bringing the ethernet cabling to patch panels. Maybe making the ethernet cabling run up hill to the patch panel once at the base would resolve issues with the gel running out, depending on the height of the run I imagine, not sure how much that g

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Oh I see - when you said leaky I assumed water. Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir A

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I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of pressure it

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle. If you have cable that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable

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Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill leakage? On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote: > We use this on our towers. The main thing is the gel fill will > liquefy > and drip into and out of the ends of the cable. Be sure to take > appropriate steps to mit

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

We use this on our towers. The main thing is the gel fill will liquefy and drip into and out of the ends of the cable. Be sure to take appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves. Other then that we will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial and through groves

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The only problems I have had in 5 years is cable wearing through because it was not tied on properly and power supplies and ends going bad because water dripped into then.  I've never seen water hurt a cable, even a cut cable.  It only hurts the ends.  I have had cables get water in them so I m

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Thats a good comparison Tom. Couple things I should note, which I thought about after I posted. I live in the Pac North West, not the South West, Arizona Nevada or Texas. I'm not sure blue cat 5 would stand up in outdoor situations there when it is exposed to the hellacious sunlight there. And wh

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

> > But a couple things to note... > > Shireen outdoor shielded cable is less expensive (or equivellent) in price > to regular plenum CAT5. > Shireen cable is also almost as easy to work with, as regular CAT5. > Shiren cable is thin, and the right diameter to fill up most small hole > passthrus (su

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l apart, but I never had a problem with that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet C

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My experience living in the rainy pacific northwest is, regular old blue or grey cat 5 cable has lasted all the 10 years I've been doing this. I use it on all my houses and buildings. White cat 5 does not work outdoors and deteriorates quickly. Should be no surprise. Up a tower I use an a cabl

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5ft diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the > bottom under the cable I always find some sticky mess. Never any water > tho. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: "Tom DeReggi" > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009

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the cable I always find some sticky mess. Never any water tho. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Tom DeReggi" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:42 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Quick note on Gel fil I had a l

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Michael, I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But to answer your question... We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable (allrfcables.com) for all other. Its depended whether you need a .45" dia cable or .18" cable, based on the hole

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rNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Jayson Baker" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling > Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? > > On Wed, May 27,

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling > I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and > that > is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I

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Don't forget, on a snowy mountain top the change in temp from day to night can cause condensation inside the jacket that pools at the low spot over time. > >> I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that >> is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen wa

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Properly installed, I don't think it'd ever be a concern. But I've seen plenty of towers where two-way guys, or TV guys or will not care much about your Cat5. Think of them hoisting a new folded dipole antenna up, and it slams into a piece of your Cat5, putting a small nick in the cable. Now yo

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have elimina

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Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed wrote: > Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes > out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. > > Michael Baird wrote: > > We are getting r

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That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon. On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks wrote: > I'm becoming a fan of this stuff: > > http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban > d_cat5e.pdf > > Specifically the BBDGE cable. > > It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though... > > Da

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

The white gel I see is way too thick to run down at all. For APs I have always used the Mohawk cable with a really thick jacket and aluminum shielding. I just ordered what 3db recommended per the Moto400 recommendation. Looks the same, copper shielding, cheaper. For customers I use outdoor stuf

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

I'm becoming a fan of this stuff: http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban d_cat5e.pdf Specifically the BBDGE cable. It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless

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Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: > We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some > different options for the towers and client installs. I w

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All our APs are shielded, flooded. No conduit. All customers are shielded. Everything is, of course, outdoor-rated UV-resistent. Really cuts down on lightning damage, we've found. One of our local competitors uses indoor cable - we do a lot of conversions and find that the cable is in pieces af