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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Mike

Not sure about that old snot stuff, but the Mohawk stuff comes off 
pretty easily.  I keep one of those plastic pull up baby wipe things 
in the trailer.  The baby wipes clean it right off the ends when I'm 
prepping for a crimp, and off my hands when done.  I like that 
"lanolin" like stuff much better than the old icky pick.

mg

At 11:04 AM 12/17/2009, Ryan wrote:
>I was told to use rubbing alcohol by an electrician to get the 
>icky-pick off of hands etc.
>
>
>On 12/17/09 11:12 AM, "Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>
>The icky-pick  or monkey-s*** as my
>telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to
>get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot.
>
>I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it
>gets hot.
>
>I also started to use the cable from Mowhawk: 5EXHO4P24-BK-R-MOH-NR   (aka:
>Mohawk "Megalan" Flooded) from my local Graybar distributer and I like it a
>whole-lot-better. The icky-pick in this cable is white and non-sticky. It
>feels like hand lotion. It is easy to remove from hands and clothing.
>
>If you do have to work the clear stuff, do 2 things:
>1. Charge extra. Really the labor involved in that c**p is just not worth
>it.
>2. Buy some of the wipes or spray sold here (or at graybar):
>http://www.polywater.com/hydrasol.html This stuff is awesome... I keep some
>of the pre-moistened individual wipes in the tool-box just in case.
>
>ryan
>
>On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
>wrote:
>
> >  Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor
> >
> >
> > Butch Evans wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!
> >
> >
> >  Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
> > when you have a long run.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Adam Kennedy

I was told to use rubbing alcohol by an electrician to get the icky-pick off of 
hands etc.

On 12/17/09 11:12 AM, "Ryan Spott"  wrote:

The icky-pick  or monkey-s*** as my
telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to
get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot.

I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it
gets hot.

I also started to use the cable from Mowhawk: 5EXHO4P24-BK-R-MOH-NR   (aka:
Mohawk "Megalan" Flooded) from my local Graybar distributer and I like it a
whole-lot-better. The icky-pick in this cable is white and non-sticky. It
feels like hand lotion. It is easy to remove from hands and clothing.

If you do have to work the clear stuff, do 2 things:
1. Charge extra. Really the labor involved in that c**p is just not worth
it.
2. Buy some of the wipes or spray sold here (or at graybar):
http://www.polywater.com/hydrasol.html This stuff is awesome... I keep some
of the pre-moistened individual wipes in the tool-box just in case.

ryan

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
wrote:

>  Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor
>
>
> Butch Evans wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>  Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!
>
>
>  Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
> when you have a long run.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Ryan Spott

The icky-pick  or monkey-s*** as my
telco friends call it... that is on "normal cables" is clear and a PITA to
get off. I also find that it "runs" into everything when it gets hot.

I moved to Western Washington State to avoid the running of the gel when it
gets hot.

I also started to use the cable from Mowhawk: 5EXHO4P24-BK-R-MOH-NR   (aka:
Mohawk "Megalan" Flooded) from my local Graybar distributer and I like it a
whole-lot-better. The icky-pick in this cable is white and non-sticky. It
feels like hand lotion. It is easy to remove from hands and clothing.

If you do have to work the clear stuff, do 2 things:
1. Charge extra. Really the labor involved in that c**p is just not worth
it.
2. Buy some of the wipes or spray sold here (or at graybar):
http://www.polywater.com/hydrasol.html This stuff is awesome... I keep some
of the pre-moistened individual wipes in the tool-box just in case.

ryan

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Brian Rohrbacher
wrote:

>  Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor
>
>
> Butch Evans wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>  Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!
>
>
>  Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
> when you have a long run.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-12-17 Thread Matt

> I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But
> to answer your question...
>
> We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable
> (allrfcables.com) for all other.

Are you using the Shireen shielded cat-5?  Any problems putting connectors on?

Matt

> Its depended whether you need a .45" dia cable or .18" cable, based on the
> hole size of the radio pass thru.
>
> Note the Mohawk is awesome cable from a durabilty and cost perspective. But,
> we found it was to hard to work with, to put on the CAT5 ends. It required
> use of a dremel to grind off the outer cable.
> The Superior Essex did not have that problem, which is why we migrated to
> it.



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-06-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I've been really happy with the Shireen cable.  I use the metal shielded for 
my towers (great stuff at the radio station site we're on) and the 
double insulated cable for my customers.

It's a bit more expensive than some cables, but so far it's proven worth the 
money.

If only they could ship a box that didn't have a busted spool.  Crappy 
packaging all around.  But the cable has been great so far.

marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling


> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
> different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>
> Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor

Butch Evans wrote:

  On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
  
  
Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!

  
  
Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
when you have a long run. 

  






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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Butch Evans

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!

Lol.  Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable
when you have a long run. 

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Butch Evans

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:09 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy.

I have.  It is more common to see in very warm environments, I think.
One of my customers in southern California does use a nylon tie wrap to
"bend" the cable and it seems to help some.

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Scott Reed

My BDDN cable comes 275' down the tower.  It runs about 25' horizontal 
and then up 4'.  After almost 5 years, it still oozes gel out at the 
lower end.
I doubt that a wire tie will stop it.  The gel is inside the inner 
jacket with the twisted pairs.  No way I see you will get the jacket to 
stay tight against the conductors without damage to the conductors.

Michael Baird wrote:
> We intend to run it to the base location, we are bringing the ethernet 
> cabling to patch panels. Maybe making the ethernet cabling run up hill 
> to the patch panel once at the base would resolve issues with the gel 
> running out, depending on the height of the run I imagine, not sure how 
> much that gel will want to move though. Down vertically to base, then up 
> to patch-panel at base.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>   
>> I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire  
>> tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower  
>> end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical  
>> runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of  
>> pressure it might be possible to hold it back.
>>
>> Greg
>> On May 29, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
>>> that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
 leakage?

 On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:

   
 
> We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
> liquefy
> and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
> appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that  
> we
> will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
> and
> through groves of trees.
>
> Anthony Will
> Broadband Crop.
> http://www.broadband-mn.com/
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>   
>> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>>
>> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>>
>>> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>>
>>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>>
>>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

 We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at  
 some
 different options for the towers and client installs. I was
 wondering
 what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in
 what you
 look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded
 cable, if
 so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?
 Should i run
 all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?

 Regards
 Michael Baird


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Josh Luthman

Customer complaints???  About what's inside the cable?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle



On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> I have never used the gel stuff, but every time I walk in behind one of my
> competitors, it is always a customer gripe.  But that being said, after the
> strip, before you crimp, could you shoot some electronic cleaner, the no
> residue type, in the end, then back fill it with a silicone syringe, then
> crimp the end on. Then maybe a zip tie?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>
> Oh I see - when you said leaky I assumed water.
>
> Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:06 PM,   wrote:
>> I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire
>> tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower
>> end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical
>> runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of
>> pressure it might be possible to hold it back.
>>
>> Greg
>> On May 29, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
>>> that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
>>>> Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
>>>> leakage?
>>>>
>>>> On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
>>>>> liquefy
>>>>> and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
>>>>> appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that
>>>>> we
>>>>> will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
>>>>> and
>>>>> through groves of trees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony Will
>>>>> Broadband Crop.
>>>>> http://www.broadband-mn.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>>>>>>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel White
>>>>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> different options for the towers and client

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Chuck Profito

I have never used the gel stuff, but every time I walk in behind one of my
competitors, it is always a customer gripe.  But that being said, after the
strip, before you crimp, could you shoot some electronic cleaner, the no
residue type, in the end, then back fill it with a silicone syringe, then
crimp the end on. Then maybe a zip tie?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

Oh I see - when you said leaky I assumed water.

Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle



On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:06 PM,   wrote:
> I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire
> tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower
> end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical
> runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of
> pressure it might be possible to hold it back.
>
> Greg
> On May 29, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
>> that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
>>> Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
>>> leakage?
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:
>>>
>>>> We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
>>>> liquefy
>>>> and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
>>>> appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that
>>>> we
>>>> will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
>>>> and
>>>> through groves of trees.
>>>>
>>>> Anthony Will
>>>> Broadband Crop.
>>>> http://www.broadband-mn.com/
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>>>>>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel White
>>>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> different options for the towers and client installs. I was
>>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>>> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in
>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded
>>>>>>> cable, if
>>>>>>> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?
>>>>>>> Should i run
>>>>>>> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Michael Baird
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Michael Baird

We intend to run it to the base location, we are bringing the ethernet 
cabling to patch panels. Maybe making the ethernet cabling run up hill 
to the patch panel once at the base would resolve issues with the gel 
running out, depending on the height of the run I imagine, not sure how 
much that gel will want to move though. Down vertically to base, then up 
to patch-panel at base.

Regards
Michael Baird
> I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire  
> tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower  
> end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical  
> runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of  
> pressure it might be possible to hold it back.
>
> Greg
> On May 29, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>   
>> Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
>> that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
>> 
>>> Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
>>> leakage?
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
 liquefy
 and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
 appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that  
 we
 will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
 and
 through groves of trees.

 Anthony Will
 Broadband Crop.
 http://www.broadband-mn.com/

 Josh Luthman wrote:
 
> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>
> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>
>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>
>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>>>
>>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at  
>>> some
>>> different options for the towers and client installs. I was
>>> wondering
>>> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in
>>> what you
>>> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded
>>> cable, if
>>> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?
>>> Should i run
>>> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Michael Baird
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Josh Luthman

Oh I see - when you said leaky I assumed water.

Never seen the gel leak, get thin/drippy.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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improbable, must be the truth."
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:06 PM,   wrote:
> I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire
> tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower
> end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical
> runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of
> pressure it might be possible to hold it back.
>
> Greg
> On May 29, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
>> that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
>>> Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
>>> leakage?
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:
>>>
 We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
 liquefy
 and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
 appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that
 we
 will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
 and
 through groves of trees.

 Anthony Will
 Broadband Crop.
 http://www.broadband-mn.com/

 Josh Luthman wrote:
> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>
> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>
>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>
>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>
>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>>>
>>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at
>>> some
>>> different options for the towers and client installs. I was
>>> wondering
>>> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in
>>> what you
>>> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded
>>> cable, if
>>> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?
>>> Should i run
>>> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Michael Baird
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread os10rules

I think you missed my question. I mean if one was to put a snug wire  
tie around the cable a few inches back from the connector on the lower  
end of the cable would it prevent the goo from running out on vertical  
runs of gel filled cat5/cat6? Since the stuff is not under a lot of  
pressure it might be possible to hold it back.

Greg
On May 29, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
> that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
>> Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
>> leakage?
>>
>> On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:
>>
>>> We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
>>> liquefy
>>> and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
>>> appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that  
>>> we
>>> will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
>>> and
>>> through groves of trees.
>>>
>>> Anthony Will
>>> Broadband Crop.
>>> http://www.broadband-mn.com/
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
 That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.

 On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:

> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>
> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
> d_cat5e.pdf
>
> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>
> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>>
>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at  
>> some
>> different options for the towers and client installs. I was
>> wondering
>> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in
>> what you
>> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded
>> cable, if
>> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?
>> Should i run
>> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Josh Luthman

Cable that didn't come off the clearance aisle.  If you have cable
that gets torn from zip ties, you need a new supplier.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle



On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM,   wrote:
> Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill
> leakage?
>
> On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:
>
>> We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will
>> liquefy
>> and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
>> appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that we
>> will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial
>> and
>> through groves of trees.
>>
>> Anthony Will
>> Broadband Crop.
>> http://www.broadband-mn.com/
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>>>
>>> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>>
 I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:

 http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
 d_cat5e.pdf

 Specifically the BBDGE cable.

 It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com



> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Baird
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>
> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
> different options for the towers and client installs. I was
> wondering
> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in
> what you
> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded
> cable, if
> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?
> Should i run
> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>
> Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread os10rules

Would a snug plastic wire tie at the lower end stop the gel fill  
leakage?

On May 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Will wrote:

> We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will  
> liquefy
> and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take
> appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that we
> will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial  
> and
> through groves of trees.
>
> Anthony Will
> Broadband Crop.
> http://www.broadband-mn.com/
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>>
>> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>>
>>> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>>
>>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>>
>>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

 We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
 different options for the towers and client installs. I was  
 wondering
 what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in  
 what you
 look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded  
 cable, if
 so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun?  
 Should i run
 all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-29 Thread Anthony Will

We use this on our towers.  The main thing is the gel fill will liquefy 
and drip into and out of the ends of the cable.  Be sure to take 
appropriate steps to mitigate the mess it leaves.  Other then that we 
will continue to use this cable for towers and running direct burial and 
through groves of trees. 

Anthony Will
Broadband Crop.
http://www.broadband-mn.com/

Josh Luthman wrote:
> That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.
>
> On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>   
>> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
>> d_cat5e.pdf
>>
>> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
>>
>> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>> 
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>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
>>>
>>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
>>> different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
>>> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
>>> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
>>> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
>>> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>>>
>>> Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





The only problems I have had in 5 years is cable wearing through
because it was not tied on properly and power supplies and ends going
bad because water dripped into then.  I've never seen water hurt a
cable, even a cut cable.  It only hurts the ends.  I have had cables
get water in them so I make a cut at the bottom of the drip loop and
then the water does not damage any more ends and power supplies, it
simply drains out.

Brian

George Rogato wrote:

  Thats a good comparison Tom.
Couple things I should note, which I thought about after I posted.
I live in the Pac North West, not the South West, Arizona Nevada or 
Texas. I'm not sure blue cat 5 would stand up in outdoor situations 
there when it is exposed to the hellacious sunlight there.
And when I run my cat 5 I try my best to hide it so it looks good. Like 
on the underside of eves and the backside of the fascia board, behind 
down spouts and gutters. those places do not generally get much sunlight.
And it's rare that I do an exposed roof run.

I really can only comment on my experience. I'm sure things are 
different in other parts of the country.


Tom DeReggi wrote:
  
  
You made a good point that regular CAT5 actually can last quite a while, if 
someone wanted to use it.
And the cheapest if they wanted to use PVC, at $60 a spool/box.


  
  


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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-28 Thread George Rogato

Thats a good comparison Tom.
Couple things I should note, which I thought about after I posted.
I live in the Pac North West, not the South West, Arizona Nevada or 
Texas. I'm not sure blue cat 5 would stand up in outdoor situations 
there when it is exposed to the hellacious sunlight there.
And when I run my cat 5 I try my best to hide it so it looks good. Like 
on the underside of eves and the backside of the fascia board, behind 
down spouts and gutters. those places do not generally get much sunlight.
And it's rare that I do an exposed roof run.

I really can only comment on my experience. I'm sure things are 
different in other parts of the country.

Tom DeReggi wrote:
> You made a good point that regular CAT5 actually can last quite a while, if 
> someone wanted to use it.
> And the cheapest if they wanted to use PVC, at $60 a spool/box.
> 

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-28 Thread Matt

>
> But a couple things to note...
>
> Shireen outdoor shielded cable is less expensive (or equivellent) in price
> to regular plenum CAT5.
> Shireen cable is also almost as easy to work with, as regular CAT5.
> Shiren cable is thin, and the right diameter to fill up most small hole
> passthrus (such as StarOS/Lucaya size)
> Shireen cable is UV rated, so it last in the "heat".
> Shireen cable is shielded, for good RF protection.



Where do I get it?

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

You made a good point that regular CAT5 actually can last quite a while, if 
someone wanted to use it.
And the cheapest if they wanted to use PVC, at $60 a spool/box.

But a couple things to note...

Shireen outdoor shielded cable is less expensive (or equivellent) in price 
to regular plenum CAT5.
Shireen cable is also almost as easy to work with, as regular CAT5.
Shiren cable is thin, and the right diameter to fill up most small hole 
passthrus (such as StarOS/Lucaya size)
Shireen cable is UV rated, so it last in the "heat".
Shireen cable is shielded, for good RF protection.
Residential code does not require riser/plenum cable so it meets code to use 
PVC outdoor cable within a residence.
But the big benefit of a direct bureal cable over a regular CAT5, is that 
its more resistent to things like roofers stepping on the cable and breaking 
it, or a Bird bighting holes in it.
So there really isn't a good reason not to use Shireen cable, instead of reg 
CAT5, other than maybe availability.
Shireen cable is no where near as durable as Superior essex, but again, 
there is no reason it has to be. The benefit of it, is that it offers the 
best of both worlds, better adequate protection with the ease similar to 
basic CAT5. But We also buy teh CAT5 jacks from Shireen that fit perfectly 
on the cable. Sonce we started doing that, all our bad crimp problems 
started going away.
Actually, I'll admit some people complained the spools where flimbsy and 
easy to fall apart,
but I never had a problem with that.

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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling


> My experience living in the rainy pacific northwest is, regular old blue
> or grey cat 5 cable has lasted all the 10 years I've been doing this. I
> use it on all my houses and buildings.
>
> White cat 5 does not work outdoors and deteriorates quickly. Should be
> no surprise.
>
> Up a tower I use an a cable that is flooded and has an aluminum
> sheath-tube over the inner cat 5 cable.
> I've bought it for .17 and .25 per foot from an electrical supplier. I
> like this stuff better than the typical armored gopher cable.
>
> One thing for certain working with cables is it's always a learnig
> experience and as time goes on we seem to always find better techniques.
> Call it the school of hard knocks.
>
> Working with rootennas and those ethernet pass throughs, I've learned to
>  tape them up like an n male connector and to actually fold the cat 5
> cable to under the passthrough and tape it in place there.
>
> Fixing water damaged connections is not a pleasant experience for me.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread George Rogato

My experience living in the rainy pacific northwest is, regular old blue 
or grey cat 5 cable has lasted all the 10 years I've been doing this. I 
use it on all my houses and buildings.

White cat 5 does not work outdoors and deteriorates quickly. Should be 
no surprise.

Up a tower I use an a cable that is flooded and has an aluminum 
sheath-tube over the inner cat 5 cable.
I've bought it for .17 and .25 per foot from an electrical supplier. I 
like this stuff better than the typical armored gopher cable.

One thing for certain working with cables is it's always a learnig 
experience and as time goes on we seem to always find better techniques.
Call it the school of hard knocks.

Working with rootennas and those ethernet pass throughs, I've learned to 
  tape them up like an n male connector and to actually fold the cat 5 
cable to under the passthrough and tape it in place there.

Fixing water damaged connections is not a pleasant experience for me.



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread David

Yuck. I have never seen this with the Mohawk Gel filled cable we use.

David

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
> 
> Actually I think you had some gel leak out of the cable and not water.
> Seen it numerous times especially after a warm summer when the gel gets
> liquefied one place have 180ft vertical 5 ft horizontal and about 15ft
> rolled up on a 1.5ft diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the
> bottom under the cable I always find some sticky mess. Never any water
> tho.
> 
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> 
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:42
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
> 
> 
> Quick note on Gel fil
> 
> I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came
> 8
> feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to
> inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then
> dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and
> teh
> CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once
> cable
> intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged
> into
> lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet
> below
> the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2" thick
> direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru.  My point here is
> that
> there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of
> verticle
> run.  About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the
> building's service went down.  I went onsite, and a drop or two of
> water
> dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh
> CAT5
> at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch.  INside
> the
> trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5
> cable.
> So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5
> area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled
> 150ft
> through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch.
> 
> So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of
> protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the
> cable.
> Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water
> seperated
> from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or
> rust. Or
> that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables.
> 
> With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it
> travels in
> a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant
> verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5
> terminates
> in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a
> client's
> suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and
> oose
> out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can
> drip
> on the floor and wall, etc.  And cable should always be going upward
> (drip
> loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity.
> 
> If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll
> usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to
> use
> non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with.
> Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the
> hassle.
> 
> I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application.
> Second,
> the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and
> select appropriate shield design for the job.
> I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the
> distributor
> has at the right price, that meets the other specs.
> 
> If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type
> applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the
> gravel
> on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel.
> There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as
> if
> there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or
> outside of
> conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't
> think
> the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without
> it..
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread eje

Actually I think you had some gel leak out of the cable and not water. Seen it 
numerous times especially after a warm summer when the gel gets liquefied one 
place have 180ft vertical 5 ft horizontal and about 15ft rolled up on a 1.5ft 
diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the bottom under the cable I always 
find some sticky mess. Never any water tho.  

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: "Tom DeReggi" 

Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:42 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

Quick note on Gel fil

I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 
feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to 
inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then 
dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and teh 
CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once cable 
intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged into 
lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet below 
the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2" thick 
direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru.  My point here is that 
there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of verticle 
run.  About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the 
building's service went down.  I went onsite, and a drop or two of water 
dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh CAT5 
at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch.  INside the 
trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5 cable. 
So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5 
area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled 150ft 
through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch.

So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of 
protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the cable. 
Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water seperated 
from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or rust. Or 
that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables.

With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it travels in 
a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant 
verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5 terminates 
in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a client's 
suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and oose 
out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can drip 
on the floor and wall, etc.  And cable should always be going upward (drip 
loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity.

If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll 
usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to use 
non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with.
Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the hassle.

I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application. Second, 
the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and 
select appropriate shield design for the job.
I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the distributor 
has at the right price, that meets the other specs.

If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type 
applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the gravel 
on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel.
There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as if 
there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or outside of 
conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't think 
the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without it..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

> I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and 
> that
> is the purpose of the gel.  Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, 
> but
> I know I have never looked!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker 
> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable?
>>
>> On Wed,

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

Michael,

I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But 
to answer your question...

We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable 
(allrfcables.com) for all other.
Its depended whether you need a .45" dia cable or .18" cable, based on the 
hole size of the radio pass thru.

Note the Mohawk is awesome cable from a durabilty and cost perspective. But, 
we found it was to hard to work with, to put on the CAT5 ends. It required 
use of a dremel to grind off the outer cable.
The Superior Essex did not have that problem, which is why we migrated to 
it.

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling


> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
> different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

absolutely not.  A drip loop is used to prevent water runing down the 
outside of the cable from running upward into your wall penetration. Because 
water is outside of cable, it can drain down when it reaches the bottom edge 
of drip loop. When water is inside cable, it does not have the same option. 
The more water that builds up at the drip loop location, the heavier the 
weight  that builds up until it pushes the water around the drip loop into 
the entry. As well, water outside the cable does not rust or short out 
inside conductive wires.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling


> Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable?
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
>
>> Gel filled on towers is a mess.  The gel runs down the cable and oozes
>> out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the 
>> tower.
>>
>> Michael Baird wrote:
>> > We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
>> > different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
>> > what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
>> > look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, 
>> > if
>> > so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i 
>> > run
>> > all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Michael Baird
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

Quick note on Gel fil

I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 
feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to 
inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then 
dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and teh 
CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once cable 
intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged into 
lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet below 
the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2" thick 
direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru.  My point here is that 
there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of verticle 
run.  About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the 
building's service went down.  I went onsite, and a drop or two of water 
dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh CAT5 
at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch.  INside the 
trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5 cable. 
So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5 
area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled 150ft 
through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch.

So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of 
protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the cable. 
Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water seperated 
from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or rust. Or 
that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables.

With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it travels in 
a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant 
verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5 terminates 
in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a client's 
suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and oose 
out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can drip 
on the floor and wall, etc.  And cable should always be going upward (drip 
loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity.

If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll 
usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to use 
non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with.
Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the hassle.

I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application. Second, 
the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and 
select appropriate shield design for the job.
I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the distributor 
has at the right price, that meets the other specs.

If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type 
applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the gravel 
on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel.
There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as if 
there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or outside of 
conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't think 
the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without it..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

> I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and 
> that
> is the purpose of the gel.  Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, 
> but
> I know I have never looked!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker 
> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable?
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed > >wrote:
>>
>> > Gel filled on towers is a mess.  The gel runs down the cable and oozes
>> > out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the
>> tower.
>> >
>> > Michael Baird wrote:
>> > > We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
>> > > different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
>> > > what people here liked to use. Particularily I'

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Gary Garrett

Don't forget, on a snowy mountain top the change in temp from day to 
night can cause condensation inside the jacket that pools at the low 
spot over time.



> 
>> I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that
>> is the purpose of the gel.  Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but
>> I know I have never looked!



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Jayson Baker

Properly installed, I don't think it'd ever be a concern.  But I've seen
plenty of towers where two-way guys, or TV guys or  will not care
much about your Cat5.  Think of them hoisting a new folded dipole antenna
up, and it slams into a piece of your Cat5, putting a small nick in the
cable.  Now you've got the potential for water entering the cable.  Or those
people who use 800 zip ties on a tower to hold all the cable - snipping the
ends off and your cable gets nicked.

*shrug*  Just throwing out some things I've seen in the past.  No doubt it's
more expensive, harder to work with, but probably worth it in the long run.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman

I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that
is the purpose of the gel.  Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but
I know I have never looked!

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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote:

> Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable?
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed  >wrote:
>
> > Gel filled on towers is a mess.  The gel runs down the cable and oozes
> > out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the
> tower.
> >
> > Michael Baird wrote:
> > > We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
> > > different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
> > > what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
> > > look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable,
> if
> > > so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i
> run
> > > all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
> > >
> > > Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Jayson Baker

Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable?

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> Gel filled on towers is a mess.  The gel runs down the cable and oozes
> out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower.
>
> Michael Baird wrote:
> > We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
> > different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
> > what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
> > look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
> > so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
> > all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman

That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon.

On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
> I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:
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> http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
> d_cat5e.pdf
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> Specifically the BBDGE cable.
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> It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...
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>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Michael Baird
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
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>>We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
>>different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
>>what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
>>look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
>>so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
>>all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Josh Luthman

The white gel I see is way too thick to run down at all.

For APs I have always used the Mohawk cable with a really thick jacket
and aluminum shielding.  I just ordered what 3db recommended per the
Moto400 recommendation.  Looks the same, copper shielding, cheaper.

For customers I use outdoor stuff by Belden - love working with it.

On 5/27/09, Scott Reed  wrote:
> Gel filled on towers is a mess.  The gel runs down the cable and oozes
> out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower.
>
> Michael Baird wrote:
>> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
>> different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
>> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
>> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
>> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
>> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread 3-dB Networks

I'm becoming a fan of this stuff:

http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban
d_cat5e.pdf

Specifically the BBDGE cable.

It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though...

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>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM
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>Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
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>We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
>different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
>what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
>look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
>so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
>all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Scott Reed

Gel filled on towers is a mess.  The gel runs down the cable and oozes 
out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower.

Michael Baird wrote:
> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some 
> different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering 
> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you 
> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if 
> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run 
> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling

2009-05-27 Thread Jayson Baker

All our APs are shielded, flooded.  No conduit.
All customers are shielded.

Everything is, of course, outdoor-rated UV-resistent.

Really cuts down on lightning damage, we've found.

One of our local competitors uses indoor cable - we do a lot of conversions
and find that the cable is in pieces after a few months.
Even better are the outdoor surge protectors they install, but don't
ground.  But that's another issue... lol

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> We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some
> different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
> what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you
> look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if
> so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run
> all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
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