Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-04 Thread Rick Smith

there's an AP with EXT only ?Price diff ?

John Seaman wrote:


yes... the recently announced AP trade-in program applies to both the 5830 AP 
with integrated antenna as well as this new EXT version.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Victoria
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:42 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP?

Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadBand.com
314-974-5600


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for
shipment in about a week.  It is certified for use with the 120 degree
sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector
from Radiowaves.  Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more
inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street.

- They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as
a transition
- They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs
- Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a
connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace
them

I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP.  That would be nice to
hear about...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 


Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation
   


5830AP,
 


that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP.
I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580
   


is
 


a usable or non usable OFDM product.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   


I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have
 


been
 


in
shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to
 


buy,
 


before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price
 


tag
 


after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
able
shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year
 


ROI
 


on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
thanks
Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
limits,
and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under
 


$150).
 


Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
CPE!.
It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral
 


would
 


say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
moment
in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
product.
But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango
 


meeting.
 


After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more
 


radios.
 


Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a
 


$200
 


CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-04 Thread Travis Johnson

Same price.

Travis
Microserv

Rick Smith wrote:


there's an AP with EXT only ?Price diff ?

John Seaman wrote:

yes... the recently announced AP trade-in program applies to both the 
5830 AP with integrated antenna as well as this new EXT version.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Victoria
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:42 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP?

Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadBand.com
314-974-5600


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be 
available for

shipment in about a week.  It is certified for use with the 120 degree
sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector
from Radiowaves.  Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more
inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street.

- They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 
AP as

a transition
- They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs
- Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will 
have a

connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace
them

I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP.  That would be 
nice to

hear about...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 


Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation
  


5830AP,
 

that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an 
OFDM AP.

I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the 
M5580
  


is
 


a usable or non usable OFDM product.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have




been
 


in
shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to




buy,
 


before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price




tag
 


after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, 
cross

platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The 
M5580 was

likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
able
shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year




ROI
 


on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
thanks
Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
limits,
and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under




$150).
 


Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
CPE!.
It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral




would
 


say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
moment
in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
product.
But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we 
easilly

paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango




meeting.
 


After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more




radios.
 


Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a




$200
 


CPE

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-03 Thread Tom DeReggi

Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation 5830AP, 
that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP.

I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580 is 
a usable or non usable OFDM product.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been 
in

shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy,
before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag
after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I 
able

shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI
on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, 
thanks
Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the 
limits,

and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150).
Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 
CPE!.

It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would
say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining 
moment
in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz 
product.

But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting.
After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios.
Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200
CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized we
were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.  CPEs
were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z
was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! 
Just

qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room
tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, 
and
crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight, 
with

this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential
market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing.  If I didn't 
have

a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make
sure I wasn't dreaming.

Trango... Thanks!

PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY,  If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my
heart could take the results.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-03 Thread Mark Nash
Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more
inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street.

- They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as
a transition
- They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs
- Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a
connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace
them

I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP.  That would be nice to
hear about...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
 I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
 What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation
5830AP,
 that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP.
 I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
 But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580
is
 a usable or non usable OFDM product.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

 On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
  It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have
been
  in
  shock.
 
  Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to
buy,
  before they shipped.
  This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
  Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
  Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price
tag
  after we realized the advantages?
  Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
  platform supported!
  They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
  likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
  What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
  able
  shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.
 
  I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year
ROI
  on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
  thanks
  Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
  limits,
  and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
  Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under
$150).
  Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
  CPE!.
  It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral
would
  say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
  moment
  in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
  product.
  But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
  paid $500 for, less than a year ago.
 
  I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango
meeting.
  After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
  dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more
radios.
  Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a
$200
  CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
  Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
  time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized
we
  were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.
CPEs
  were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought
Z
  was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!
  Just
  qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.
 
  I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room
  tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials,
  and
  crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight,
  with
  this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential
  market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing.  If I didn't
  have
  a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to
make
  sure I wasn't dreaming.
 
  Trango... Thanks!
 
  PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY,  If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my
  heart could take the results.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-03 Thread John Seaman
The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for 
shipment in about a week.  It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector 
and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from 
Radiowaves.  Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more
inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street.

- They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as
a transition
- They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs
- Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a
connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace
them

I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP.  That would be nice to
hear about...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
 I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
 What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation
5830AP,
 that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP.
 I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
 But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580
is
 a usable or non usable OFDM product.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

 On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
  It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have
been
  in
  shock.
 
  Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to
buy,
  before they shipped.
  This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
  Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
  Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price
tag
  after we realized the advantages?
  Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
  platform supported!
  They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
  likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
  What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
  able
  shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.
 
  I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year
ROI
  on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
  thanks
  Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
  limits,
  and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
  Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under
$150).
  Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
  CPE!.
  It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral
would
  say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
  moment
  in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
  product.
  But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
  paid $500 for, less than a year ago.
 
  I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango
meeting.
  After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
  dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more
radios.
  Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a
$200
  CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
  Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
  time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized
we
  were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.
CPEs
  were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought
Z
  was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!
  Just
  qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.
 
  I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room
  tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials,
  and
  crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight,
  with
  this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-03 Thread Victoria
Can we trade-in our 5800 AP's for this AP?

Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadBand.com
314-974-5600
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for
shipment in about a week.  It is certified for use with the 120 degree
sector and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector
from Radiowaves.  Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more
inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street.

- They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as
a transition
- They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs
- Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a
connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace
them

I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP.  That would be nice to
hear about...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
 I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
 What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation
5830AP,
 that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP.
 I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
 But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580
is
 a usable or non usable OFDM product.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

 On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
  It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have
been
  in
  shock.
 
  Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to
buy,
  before they shipped.
  This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
  Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
  Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price
tag
  after we realized the advantages?
  Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
  platform supported!
  They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
  likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
  What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
  able
  shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.
 
  I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year
ROI
  on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
  thanks
  Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
  limits,
  and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
  Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under
$150).
  Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
  CPE!.
  It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral
would
  say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
  moment
  in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
  product.
  But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
  paid $500 for, less than a year ago.
 
  I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango
meeting.
  After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
  dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more
radios.
  Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a
$200
  CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
  Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
  time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized
we
  were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.
CPEs
  were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought
Z
  was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!
  Just
  qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.
 
  I

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-04-02 Thread RickG
I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
 It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in
 shock.

 Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy,
 before they shipped.
 This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
 Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
 Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag
 after we realized the advantages?
 Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
 platform supported!
 They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
 likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
 What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I able
 shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

 I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI
 on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks
 Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits,
 and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
 Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150).
 Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!.
 It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would
 say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining moment
 in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product.
 But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
 paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

 I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting.
 After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
 dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios.
 Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200
 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
 Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
 time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized we
 were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.  CPEs
 were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z
 was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just
 qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.

 I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room
 tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and
 crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with
 this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential
 market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing.  If I didn't have
 a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make
 sure I wasn't dreaming.

 Trango... Thanks!

 PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY,  If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my
 heart could take the results.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi

Travis,

I fully agree.

The 2.4Ghz product is one that we have not used yet, but one we will need to 
start using soon, based on the fact that we used all the 5.8 channels 
available at many cell sites. 5.3G is good for expanding cells if for the 
close in neighborhoods, but it just doesn't have the range needed for many 
master cell site type applications.  To get range, you need the 2.4Ghz 
product. As you have shown Travis, the 2.4Ghz product is somewhat of a last 
man standing 2.4Ghz product, and an excellent choice for WISPs.


My hope is that future development will follow suit.

The M5580 is not the single savior. Its possible that there may be range 
issues, and noise issues based on using OFDM, in some environments.  What I 
like about the M5580 is it gives us the opportunity/option to have excellent 
pricing for many new markets, that we'd never be able to touch without that 
price point. For example residential, low or Free install markets. OR WISP 
direct leasing. Its down tothe point where I could hold the lease for the 
end user equipment, worked into monthly payment based on low CPE cost. Doing 
the ROI on a spreadsheet, makes it a much safer model to get bank approval 
for financing for large scale growth.


For example, Trangos Press release lists Triple play. Doing 30 mbps in a 
small short range  community network, could accomplish that, and using a 
single smaller bandwidth backhaul to the site. Using Multicast and caching, 
the low bandwidth backhaul would be enough  to transport the Video to a 
community devcie that then fed the homes individually/directly over the 
higher capacity.



Then there is the 900mhz product


No comment based on my last scolding :-)

How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. 
:(


Good point. This where early entry into the market comes in. IF you are 
ready to go in a market, you are in a position to move faster and take the 
market share today, before the competitors starts. This is whats going to 
test, wether people that have the best broadcast sites, really have an 
advantage for long term success. This is what will challenge WISPS to offer 
good support, good pricing, anf fast expansion. Why would someone come to 
compete, if it looked like a loosing battle to compete against you?


The bigger issue is keeping consumers from buying the gear. A $150 is still 
in the price range for a residential build your own community thing.  Thats 
one of the reasons, its important for the AP cost not to drop to low. So its 
not in the end user price range.


The strategy should be, start buying lots of units, and making lots of 
sales, based on the new low price opportunity. Trango is taking care of us, 
because they want us to succeed, and increase our volume. Its sorta like the 
FCC giving us more leanient power rules, to see what we do with the 
opportunity. Do we abuse them or use them well?  Trango has to make a 
profit, and its likely that they's continue selling product for half the 
cost, if the volume did not increase. We need to grow our businesses, or 
they'll find people that will. So indirectly the pressure is on us, to give 
back, take advantage of the price point and grow our businesses. Thats the 
way I see it.  I think if we do it, they'll keep evolving their product to 
our needs.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history



Tom,

I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz 
product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 
2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance 
(15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid 
antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it 
cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :)


Then there is the 900mhz product the lifesaver if there ever was 
one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that 
we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with 
this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :)


And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is 
now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your 
competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :(


Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been 
in shock.


Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to 
buy, before they shipped.

This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread chris cooper
Sorry if I missed it somewhere- does this also include the 900Mhz
products?

chris

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have
been in 
shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to
buy, 
before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price
tag 
after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross 
platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was

likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
able 
shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year
ROI 
on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
thanks 
Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
limits, 
and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks 
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under
$150). 
Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
CPE!. 
It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral
would 
say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
moment 
in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
product. 
But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly

paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango
meeting. 
After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all 
dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more
radios. 
Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a
$200 
CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000? 
Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a 
time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized
we 
were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.
CPEs 
were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought
Z 
was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!
Just 
qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room 
tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials,
and 
crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight,
with 
this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential 
market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing.  If I didn't
have 
a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to
make 
sure I wasn't dreaming.

Trango... Thanks!

PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY,  If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my

heart could take the results.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
I don't think Trangos new lower price was to wipe out StarOs. IF an intent 
was there to wipe someone out, I'd say more likely, it would be Canopy. But 
I don't even think that intent was the purpose.. Giving WISPs better prices 
helps them grow their businesses, and compete with the commodity huge volume 
competitors. Trango wants large volume and sees the potential a low cost CPE 
can do to acheive that.  StarOS/Mikrotik systems, still have their 
advantages for many purposes. For example, flexibilty, routing, and 
multi-radio units, Mesh, etc. With Mini-PCI 900 comming more applications 
will arise. Smaller cells don't necessarilly require Polling systems to 
perform well.


But for Trango WISPs. This low CPE pricing is a tremendous advantage. Its is 
an advantage for any WISPs that uses a master cell site model, and wants to 
deploy quickly wide scale without the hassle of piecing togeather the 
equipment, and/or does not have the staff with the expertise of putting the 
gear togeather.  With Trango you just take it out of the box and go.  With a 
consistent interface through the product line.


Well I might have been a little quick on the consistent interface, as the 
models do have little differences in syntax, but they are working to improve 
that.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could...  Be dreaming?   Sorry, Tom, I had 
to

do that.

It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level.

It's not going to lure me away from my staros yet.   It may, however, 
end

up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller
cells.   If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) 
and

sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell...  It might be less
costly than my star-os system.   I am not yet prepared to give up on 
routing

at the cpe end for normal installs.






North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

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- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history



I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been

in

shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to 
buy,

before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price 
tag

after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I

able

shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year 
ROI

on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,

thanks

Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the

limits,

and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under 
$150).

Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150

CPE!.
It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral 
would

say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining

moment

in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz

product.

But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting.
After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more 
radios.
Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a 
$200

CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized 
we

were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.  CPEs
were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z
was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!

Just

qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi



Mark,

Don't forget an arguement to support your 
position,"less components to fail.".

However, not creating a clear Dmarcation point, 
means free support labor. Not gicing end users a device to tinker with, means 
they try and tinker with yours, or bother you aimlessly for support. 


Its all an issue if you want to manage their home 
Net, or have them manage their home NET, and what the custoemr things of that. 
Its not wronfeither way.I personally insist on keeping the client out of 
my gear,and I'm clear on what gear is mine. I'll give them the 
Linksys, and I'll even let them set it up, but its there responsibility to pay 
me to manage and support it, if I feel its necessary. It does not box me 
into a possition of providing free support. But optionally I can, and create 
value, if it doesn't get out of hand.

Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless 
Broadband



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mark Koskenmaki 
  
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes 
  history
  
  I hate those routers, really. I find thier 
  configuration mechanisms frustrating or annoying. Some are just 
  downright almost unworkable. 
  
  Since my CPE does full routing / NAT firewalling, 
  etc... I still love it. That's an extra box I don't 
  ahve to buy and whatnot. 
  
  And yes, I understand you CAN use 
  these. I love the reliability and s tability of my staros 
  boxes. I think in the last 12 months I've had 1 or2 WRAP based CPE 
  need rebooted or restarted. Having the exact same thing at every 
  site is nice :) It would take me a while to develop confidence in 
  one of those consumer level routers.
  
  
  
  North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence 
  to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at 
  neofast dot netFast Internet, NO 
  WIRES!-
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Travis Johnson 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:26 
PM
    Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes 
    history
We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at 
every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we 
help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can 
monitor (with ping) to check their 
connection.TravisMicroservMark Koskenmaki wrote: 
Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could...  Be dreaming?   Sorry, Tom, I had to
do that.

It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level.

It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet.   It may, however, end
up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller
cells.   If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and
sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell...  It might be less
costly than my star-os system.   I am not yet prepared to give up on routing
at the cpe end for normal installs.






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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


  
  I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been
in
  
  shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy,
before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag
after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
able
  
  shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI
on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
thanks
  
  Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
limits,
  
  and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150).
Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150
CPE!".
  
  It just plain got rediculously funny at t

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi

Chadd,

Actually a very good post. And points out the other side. No body is 
perfect.  There have been many things that have frustrated me with the gear 
over the years. Will the reliabilty of using the gear go up? Only time will 
tell that one. But patience and loyalty to a vendor for me, I think is 
paying off.  Its weeks like this week, that show reasons why it was all 
worth it to be patient.


The way I look at it, any way I look at it, I've come out ahead.

The problems I remember most were...

1) I saw a great opportunity, and I had to turn it away, because I couldn't 
afford to buy the gear to do the job.
2) I saw someone else installing on the water tower, and wished it could 
have been me, but I couldn't afford the gear.


Trango gave me the option, to go after the deal. At the end of the day, 
after considering lost labor and time, was it really cheaper?  Who knows? 
All I can say is, I didn't find a better option. All I can say is that if it 
weren't for the price of Trango, at various stages each year, I wouldn't be 
in 30 major local markets today, and I wouldn't have been able to be in this 
business competitively.


Whether or not that is a good thing, is debateable. I probably would have 
done better if I invested in Real Estate. But what I like to see is constant 
improvement.  Every time, I start to get depressed fighting the daily 
challenges to build a business and grow, out of no where Trango comes up 
with some new advantage to make it easier on me to succeed. It helps boost 
my spirit and keep up the moral.  For me, as time goes by, they have shown a 
pattern of consistently just making it easier for WISPs.  That means a lot 
to me.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history



I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has
made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes.

I tend to remember the bad things more than the good.

WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the 
bottom...


I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending
time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department 
trying

to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to
get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one 
in

the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to
install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware 
fix

for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist.

I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water
and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time 
with
the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it 
was
a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. 
Again

only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be
installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with 
them
about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a 
month

later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they
could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a
tower because of this.

I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential
customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also 
getting
to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and 
I

couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix.

I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on
longer cable runs and having to buy  new wall worts for some units.

I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would
properly work with the ethernet ports on the units.

I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x 
units

causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an
issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas

I remember prices being jacked around.
The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going
to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them.

You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango
equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These
problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been 
decent

to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having
problems.

THE GOOD stuff!!!

I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and
seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link.

Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the
past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance

Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Tom DeReggi

Bob,

On the surfice it appears fickle, but not truthfully.
Everybody wants to support distribution and their friends in distribution, 
in theory.
But Trango's goal as a manufacturer is strictly to find ways to sell more 
radios. Loyalty end there for any manufacturer from what I;ve seen.  The 
buyers goal is to get better availabilty and pricing, and initially they 
think Distribution can help guarantee that. But what when it doesn't? 
Trango didn't drop the distribution channel just to screw them, what would 
be the point. The idea was to increase volume, when taking them on, and when 
that doesn't happen, and instead distributors sell more of competitors' 
products, what do you do? Well, you start solving the difficiencies in your 
own operations so you don't ahve to rely on distributors to solve your 
problems.
Then you try something new until the job is done. Like lowering the price to 
$150, what the custoemr base is asking.  Buyers just aren't in a possition 
to trust anyone, so they complain, to influence possitive decissions, 
regardless of whether the decissions would have been reputable without the 
complaining. If consumers get better availability and pricing, doesn't that 
solve the buyer's need?

Thats not being fickle, thats being a smart business man.

I'd argue the golden question is will the product be more consistently 
reliable, with a lower price tag. Was something given up to achieve the 
better price? Our goal isn't to have the reduced reliability of a commodity 
$50 Linksys/Dlink/Netgear SOHO product.
The cliche,  You get what you pay for.  So testing and time is what will 
tell that. I'd like to believe Trango is just innovating its products, and 
able to make it cheaper, because they are getting smarter by experience. So 
far it looks like a winner.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching 
about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct.  I think I 
remember people saying  That's it...I'll never buy from them again.


Now they have $149 CPE.   Hm.Should be interesting to see what 
happens now


:-)

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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-19 Thread Jenco Wireless
I was a HUGE Trango basher on another list.  I had the water
problems with the 5830 units.  I can say that after making me mad as
hell in the past, they do seem to have made improvements.  They
repaired some of my old (out of warranty) units at no charge and even
sent me a rebate for one that they charged me to repair a long time
ago.

Brad Hagstrom,
Jenco Wireless


On 1/18/06, Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has
 made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes.

 I tend to remember the bad things more than the good.

 WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom...

 I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending
 time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying
 to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to
 get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in
 the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to
 install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix
 for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist.

 I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water
 and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with
 the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was
 a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again
 only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be
 installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them
 about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month
 later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they
 could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a
 tower because of this.

 I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential
 customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting
 to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I
 couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix.

 I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on
 longer cable runs and having to buy  new wall worts for some units.

 I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would
 properly work with the ethernet ports on the units.

 I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units
 causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an
 issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas

 I remember prices being jacked around.
 The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going
 to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them.

 You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango
 equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These
 problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent
 to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having
 problems.

 THE GOOD stuff!!!

 I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and
 seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link.

 Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the
 past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency
 than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise
 avoidance though when compared to T900.

 My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the
 condensation issue on the INT units.

 I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations
 though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to
 help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to
 come from them.

 I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment
 I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if
 Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature
 rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of
 choices.

 Sorry for the rambling
 Chadd.


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 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
 It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in
 shock.


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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson

Tom,

I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz 
product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of 
the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing 
distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a 
grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it 
cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :)


Then there is the 900mhz product the lifesaver if there ever was 
one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers 
that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. 
Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :)


And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside 
is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of 
your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :(


Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have 
been in shock.


Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to 
buy, before they shipped.

This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price 
tag after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, 
cross platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 
was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I 
able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.


I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year 
ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one 
came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and 
pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure 
enough it came. Thanks Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo 
releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to 
then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously 
funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it 
agin, $150.  This is truly a defining moment in history.  No NOT 
for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a 
Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid 
$500 for, less than a year ago.


I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango 
meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We 
were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell 
more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What 
If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that 
take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd 
commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, 
etc.  Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much 
wine, and called it a night.  CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya 
know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding!  And the irony 
in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only 
$150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.


I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room 
tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new 
materials, and crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just 
changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the 
potential!  The residential market is going to be broken wide open, 
with this pricing.  If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my 
desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming.


Trango... Thanks!

PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY,  If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think 
my heart could take the results.


Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Yep.  900 is what I need. 
5.8.ya right. 
2.4sometimes. 
900...hits the spot.


Travis Johnson wrote:


Tom,

I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 
5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 
60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally 
amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is 
possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. 
Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be 
great. :)


Then there is the 900mhz product the lifesaver if there ever was 
one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers 
that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. 
Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :)


And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the 
downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? 
How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing 
Trango. :(


Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have 
been in shock.


Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to 
buy, before they shipped.

This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big 
price tag after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, 
cross platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 
was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, 
I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.


I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 
year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And 
one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety 
and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And 
sure enough it came. Thanks Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo 
releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve 
to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got 
rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! 
Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining moment in 
history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz 
product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to 
what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago.


I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango 
meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We 
were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and 
sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks 
What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would 
that take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price 
I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. 
Etc, etc.  Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to 
much wine, and called it a night.  CPEs were still $400 at that time, 
ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding!  And the 
irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And 
its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.


I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room 
tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new 
materials, and crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just 
changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the 
potential!  The residential market is going to be broken wide open, 
with this pricing.  If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my 
desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming.


Trango... Thanks!

PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY,  If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think 
my heart could take the results.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband





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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Yeah, I wondered why.  Now I know.

No way could they support a distributor model at these prices...




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From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching
 about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct.  I think I
 remember people saying  That's it...I'll never buy from them again.

 Now they have $149 CPE.   Hm.Should be interesting to see
 what happens now

 :-)

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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Travis Johnson




We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every
install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we
help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we
can monitor (with ping) to check their connection.

Travis
Microserv

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

  Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could...  Be dreaming?   Sorry, Tom, I had to
do that.

It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level.

It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet.   It may, however, end
up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller
cells.   If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and
sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell...  It might be less
costly than my star-os system.   I am not yet prepared to give up on routing
at the cpe end for normal installs.






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From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


  
  
I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been

  
  in
  
  
shock.

Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy,
before they shipped.
This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag
after we realized the advantages?
Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
platform supported!
They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I

  
  able
  
  
shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.

I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI
on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,

  
  thanks
  
  
Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the

  
  limits,
  
  
and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks
Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150).
Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150

  
  CPE!".
  
  
It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would
say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150".  This is truly a defining

  
  moment
  
  
in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz

  
  product.
  
  
But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
paid $500 for, less than a year ago.

I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting.
After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios.
Then out of nowhere "Z" gets all serious and asks "What If...we had a $200
CPE?" We respond, "how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?"
Instantly, Travis is like, "at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
time." Then I was like, "I'd take 500". Etc, etc.  Then we all realized we
were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.  CPEs
were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z
was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!

  
  Just
  
  
qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room
tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials,

  
  and
  
  
crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight,

  
  with
  
  
this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential
market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing.  If I didn't

  
  have
  
  
a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make
sure I wasn't dreaming.

Trango... Thanks!

PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, " If I only had a CPE for $75", I don't think my
heart could take the results.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has
made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes.

I tend to remember the bad things more than the good.

WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom...

I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending
time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying
to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to
get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in
the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to
install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix
for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist.

I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water
and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with
the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was
a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again
only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be
installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them
about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month
later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they
could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a
tower because of this.

I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential
customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting
to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I
couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix.

I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on
longer cable runs and having to buy  new wall worts for some units.

I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would
properly work with the ethernet ports on the units.

I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units
causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an
issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas

I remember prices being jacked around.
The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going
to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them.

You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango
equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These
problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent
to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having
problems.

THE GOOD stuff!!!

I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and
seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link.

Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the
past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency
than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise
avoidance though when compared to T900.

My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the
condensation issue on the INT units.

I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations
though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to
help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to
come from them.

I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment
I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if
Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature
rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of
choices.

Sorry for the rambling
Chadd.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in
shock.


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Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Before I came to the WISP world, I had 13 years as a technician that had
customer contact and often did technical support over the phone.

I often was the guy across the counter when the customer was happy...and
when he was not.

I never cease to be amazed at stories of businesses with people on the phone
who have bad attitudes, who blame the customer, etc, etc.   I've learned the
customer is always right, at least in his own mind.   And you can tell him
he's wrong, but you have to use some tact and courtesy when you do.  And you
absolutely MUST be right, if you do.   After I left, a crisis in the
business I worked for  caused management to break some of those rules, and
that caused a serious downward trend.

I've found you can charge the guy twice as much as he thought he should pay,
if you things right and fix the problem right,and you can make an honest
explanation.   I've also discovered that goes hand in hand with surprising
him with NO bill when it's your fault and he thinks its his.   I know, I'm a
bit old fashioned, in that I think that relationships make or break you in
the business world.   Lots of people will say that people are fickle and
will jump to save 10 bucks.

Maybe WISP's share these traits.  Some will jump to save 10 bucks.  Others
are loyal to a fault.

If anyone, ANYWHERE who represents a vendor is on these lists and reads
this... and your company culture represents the faults described below...  I
can't imagine how you expect to stay in business.

I've used and still in the market to use Equinox antennas, even though some
had terrible faults.  Why?  Because they have honestly tried to resolve
issues with me.   They've gone above and beyond to fix things.   Do I see
comments from Pacwireless about improving thier 29 db 5 ghz grids?  Nope.

But Equinox has kept me informed and in the loop.

Honestly, that's a lot to say about a company.Nobody makes perfect
stuff... But if they do thier honest best to make things right, it goes a
long ways toward keeping customers happy.


North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

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- Original Message - 
From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has
 made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes.

 I tend to remember the bad things more than the good.

 WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the
bottom...

 I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending
 time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department
trying
 to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to
 get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one
in
 the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to
 install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware
fix
 for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist.

 I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water
 and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time
with
 the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it
was
 a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units.
Again
 only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be
 installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with
them
 about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a
month
 later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they
 could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a
 tower because of this.

 I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential
 customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also
getting
 to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and
I
 couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix.

 I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on
 longer cable runs and having to buy  new wall worts for some units.

 I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would
 properly work with the ethernet ports on the units.

 I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x
units
 causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an
 issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas

 I remember prices being jacked around.
 The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going
 to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them.

 You know what even after all of this I still buy