Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Kahn was trial/shareware. They used your windows key to generate their 21 day key. They used a IRC interface for the chat room. I spent a lot of time on both the IRC room and playing Warcraft I/II & Decent and DukeNukem...Mmmm Bubblegum =) On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote: > Kahn was another one. I believe Kali you had to pay for where-as Kahn > was free. I played many rounds of Descent/Descent II across those. > > Adam Kennedy > Senior Network Administrator > Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. > Phone: (888) 293-3693 > Fax: (574) 855-5761 > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:43 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > Kali - thank you. I will be sane another day. > > On 10/5/09, David E. Smith wrote: >> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please > remind >>> me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! >> >> If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For >> things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi > does >> a passable job of IPX passthrough. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Descent, Doom, and DukeNuken!!! On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Adam Kennedy wrote: > Kahn was another one. I believe Kali you had to pay for where-as Kahn > was free. I played many rounds of Descent/Descent II across those. > > Adam Kennedy > Senior Network Administrator > Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. > Phone: (888) 293-3693 > Fax: (574) 855-5761 > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:43 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > Kali - thank you. I will be sane another day. > > On 10/5/09, David E. Smith wrote: >> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please > remind >>> me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! >> >> If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For >> things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi > does >> a passable job of IPX passthrough. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
For all those who don't do uPNP, like me, I don't trust it :) Here are the iptables rules I used to get all the Xbox Live stuff working behind NAT: # Xbox 360 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 88 -j DNAT --to 192.168.42.249 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 88 -j DNAT --to 192.168.42.249 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 3074 -j DNAT --to 192.168.42.249 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 3074 -j DNAT --to 192.168.42.249 On 10/5/09 2:17 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... then > again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my >> own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te >> "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public ip >> on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). >> >> /Eje >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mike >> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I >> assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and >> not your core equipment? >> >> Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in >> my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a >> customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater >> sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally >> a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. >> >> The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The >> repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in >> the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the >> DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. >> >> I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think >> you can just update from the Xbox, tight? >> 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if >> it's the server or not. >> >> I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda >> like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the >> Xbox live servers were centrally located. >> >> Mike >> >> At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >>> The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >>> end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so >>> it >>> is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >>> the >>> exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >>> forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >>> uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >>> , Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >>> thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >>> >>> For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >>> we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >>> homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >>> getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >>> dependant >>> on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >>> network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >>> and packet loss on all hops end to end. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike" >>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >>> >>> >>>> I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >>>> issues. It see
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Ach mien lieben! ryan On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Mike wrote: > I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the name, but it looks VERY > familiar to the old Wolfenstein with updated backgrounds. I can find > out what the game is. It's pretty gory shoot 'em up commando stuff. > > At 10:54 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >>I hate IPX. I really do. >> >> >From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers >>now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do >>this as well. >> >>Josh Luthman >>Office: 937-552-2340 >>Direct: 937-552-2343 >>1100 Wayne St >>Suite 1337 >>Troy, OH 45373 >> >>"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>improbable, must be the truth." >>--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >>On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: >> >> > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : >> > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> > >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. >> > > >> > > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from >> > > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to >> > > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) >> > > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, >> > > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, >> > > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like >> > > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). >> > >> > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. >> > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it >> > too good! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Doom.. =) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the name, but it looks VERY familiar to the old Wolfenstein with updated backgrounds. I can find out what the game is. It's pretty gory shoot 'em up commando stuff. At 10:54 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >I hate IPX. I really do. > > >From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers >now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do >this as well. > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >improbable, must be the truth." >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > >On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > > > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. > > > > > > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from > > > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to > > > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) > > > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, > > > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, > > > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like > > > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > > too good! > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >--- - >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >--- - > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
My home router was a 2.9.27 been doing upnp and xbox for long time now. Never had any issues. It had 390 days uptime before I lost a ethernet port on it (wrap board). Now it's another wrap still running 2.9 (was what was on it didn't bother upgrade since I just wanted to get things going asap). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Nick Olsen" Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:46:34 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 Have a friend that runs uPNP with the xbox and mikrotik (3.25?) and it works. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:17 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... then again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public ip > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message----- > From: Mike > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > not your core equipment? > > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. > > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. > > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if > it's the server or not. > > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > Xbox live servers were centrally located. > > Mike > > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so >>it >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >>the >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >> >>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >>dependant >>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >>network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >>and packet loss on all hops end to end. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Mike" >>To: ; "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >>Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> >> >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >> > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys >> > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there >> > a down side? >> > >> > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answ
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the name, but it looks VERY familiar to the old Wolfenstein with updated backgrounds. I can find out what the game is. It's pretty gory shoot 'em up commando stuff. At 10:54 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >I hate IPX. I really do. > > >From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers >now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do >this as well. > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >improbable, must be the truth." >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > >On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > > > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. > > > > > > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from > > > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to > > > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) > > > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, > > > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, > > > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like > > > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > > too good! > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Have a friend that runs uPNP with the xbox and mikrotik (3.25?) and it works. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:17 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... then again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public ip > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message----- > From: Mike > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > not your core equipment? > > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. > > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. > > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if > it's the server or not. > > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > Xbox live servers were centrally located. > > Mike > > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so >>it >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >>the >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >> >>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >>dependant >>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >>network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >>and packet loss on all hops end to end. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Mike" >>To: ; "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >>Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> >> >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >> > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys >> > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there >> > a down side? >> > >> > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the >> > list. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >&g
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I don't trust anything along the lines of "automatic + network + Microsoft" but I hear upnp works on the MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > That's how I have it setup now. Maybe some time I should test to see if > uPNP works with it now. Would make my life a lot easier. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:23 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > I would never do upnp. Almost certain I have all the ports recommended > > forwarded. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mike Hammett > > wrote: > > > >> With uPNP or forwarding port 3074? > >> > >> > >> - > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From: "Josh Luthman" > >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:18 PM > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> > >> > I have a MT router and one layer of NAT at home. Zero issues. > >> > > >> > Josh Luthman > >> > Office: 937-552-2340 > >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 > >> > 1100 Wayne St > >> > Suite 1337 > >> > Troy, OH 45373 > >> > > >> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > >> > improbable, must be the truth." > >> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... > >> >> then > >> >> again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> - > >> >> Mike Hammett > >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> From: > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> >> > >> >> > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did > >> >> > on > >> >> > my > >> >> > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved > te > >> >> > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had > >> public > >> >> ip > >> >> > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). > >> >> > > >> >> > /Eje > >> >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >> >> > > >> >> > -Original Message- > >> >> > From: Mike > >> >> > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 > >> >> > To: WISPA General List > >> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> >> > > >> >> > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. > I > >> >> > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > >> >> > not your core equipment? > >> >> > > >> >> > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router > in > >> >> > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > >> >> > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > >> >> > sector, o
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That's how I have it setup now. Maybe some time I should test to see if uPNP works with it now. Would make my life a lot easier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:23 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I would never do upnp. Almost certain I have all the ports recommended > forwarded. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: > >> With uPNP or forwarding port 3074? >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------- >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:18 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> > I have a MT router and one layer of NAT at home. Zero issues. >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> > improbable, must be the truth." >> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... >> >> then >> >> again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> From: >> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> >> >> > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did >> >> > on >> >> > my >> >> > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te >> >> > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had >> public >> >> ip >> >> > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). >> >> > >> >> > /Eje >> >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> > >> >> > -Original Message- >> >> > From: Mike >> >> > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 >> >> > To: WISPA General List >> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> > >> >> > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I >> >> > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and >> >> > not your core equipment? >> >> > >> >> > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in >> >> > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a >> >> > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater >> >> > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and >> >> > finally >> >> > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. >> >> > >> >> > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The >> >> > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client >> >> > in >> >> > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the >> >> > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. >> >> > >> >> > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think >> >> > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? >> >> > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if >> >> > it's the server or not. >> >> > >> >> > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other use
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I would never do upnp. Almost certain I have all the ports recommended forwarded. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > With uPNP or forwarding port 3074? > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:18 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > I have a MT router and one layer of NAT at home. Zero issues. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett > > wrote: > > > >> I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... > >> then > >> again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? > >> > >> > >> - > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From: > >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> > >> > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on > >> > my > >> > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te > >> > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had > public > >> ip > >> > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). > >> > > >> > /Eje > >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Mike > >> > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 > >> > To: WISPA General List > >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> > > >> > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I > >> > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > >> > not your core equipment? > >> > > >> > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in > >> > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > >> > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > >> > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally > >> > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. > >> > > >> > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The > >> > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in > >> > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the > >> > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. > >> > > >> > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think > >> > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? > >> > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if > >> > it's the server or not. > >> > > >> > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > >> > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > >> > Xbox live servers were centrally located. > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: > >> >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells > >> >>the > >> >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, > >> >>so > >> >>it > >> >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I > forget > >> >>the > >> >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The > >> >>port > >> >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under > >> >>security, > >> >>unchec
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With uPNP or forwarding port 3074? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:18 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I have a MT router and one layer of NAT at home. Zero issues. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: > >> I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... >> then >> again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on >> > my >> > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te >> > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public >> ip >> > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). >> > >> > /Eje >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Mike >> > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> > >> > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I >> > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and >> > not your core equipment? >> > >> > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in >> > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a >> > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater >> > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally >> > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. >> > >> > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The >> > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in >> > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the >> > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. >> > >> > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think >> > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? >> > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if >> > it's the server or not. >> > >> > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda >> > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the >> > Xbox live servers were centrally located. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >> >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells >> >>the >> >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, >> >>so >> >>it >> >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >> >>the >> >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The >> >>port >> >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under >> >>security, >> >>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter >> Multicast >> >>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not >> >>every >> >>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >> >> >> >>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted >> that >> >>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging >> >>40 >> >>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >> >>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >> >>dependant >> >>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >> >>network, then I'd look
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I have a MT router and one layer of NAT at home. Zero issues. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... then > again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my > > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te > > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public > ip > > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). > > > > /Eje > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mike > > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I > > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > > not your core equipment? > > > > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in > > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally > > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. > > > > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The > > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in > > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the > > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. > > > > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think > > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? > > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if > > it's the server or not. > > > > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > > Xbox live servers were centrally located. > > > > Mike > > > > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: > >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the > >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so > >>it > >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget > >>the > >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port > >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, > >>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter > Multicast > >>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every > >>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. > >> > >>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted > that > >>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 > >>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are > >>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, > >>dependant > >>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your > >>network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency > >>and packet loss on all hops end to end. > >> > >>Tom DeReggi > >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Mike" > >>To: ; "WISPA General List" > >>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM > >>Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >> > >> > >> >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > >> > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > >> > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > >> > a down side? > >> > >
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I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... then again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my > own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te > "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public ip > on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Mike > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > not your core equipment? > > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. > > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. > > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if > it's the server or not. > > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > Xbox live servers were centrally located. > > Mike > > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so >>it >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >>the >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >> >>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >>dependant >>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >>network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >>and packet loss on all hops end to end. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Mike" >>To: ; "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >>Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> >> >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >> > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys >> > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there >> > a down side? >> > >> > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the >> > list. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te "issues" but then my home router was the only nay device and had public ip on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and not your core equipment? Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think you can just update from the Xbox, tight? 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if it's the server or not. I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the Xbox live servers were centrally located. Mike At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so it >is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget the >exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. > >For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, dependant >on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >and packet loss on all hops end to end. > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike" >To: ; "WISPA General List" >Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > a down side? > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > > list. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Kahn was another one. I believe Kali you had to pay for where-as Kahn was free. I played many rounds of Descent/Descent II across those. Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 Kali - thank you. I will be sane another day. On 10/5/09, David E. Smith wrote: > Josh Luthman wrote: >> What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please remind >> me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! > > If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For > things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi does > a passable job of IPX passthrough. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
RickG wrote: > I've actually been surprised how well behaved xbox has been on my > network. The only issue I have is that users on my network cant host > games for others on my network. They can host for other networks > though. Strange. As others have mentioned, if your whole network is heavily NATted that could confuse things. Another possibility: a lot of wireless gear doesn't let two clients on the same AP talk to one another, or make that an adjustable setting. In many instances, this is a good thing; one wireless client that can talk to other wireless clients could do nasty things to the AP with all that broadcast traffic. This is one of the limited instances when you'd want two clients to communicate directly, but you'll have to weigh the pros and cons. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
You are probably experiencing an issue with NAT loopback or something like that. You can't go out of, then come back in the same interface on NAT which is one of many reasons to not NAT your entire network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I've actually been surprised how well behaved xbox has been on my > network. The only issue I have is that users on my network cant host > games for others on my network. They can host for other networks > though. Strange. > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: >> The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >> end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so >> it >> is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >> the >> exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >> forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >> uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >> , Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >> thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >> >> For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted >> that >> we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >> homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >> getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >> dependant >> on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >> network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >> and packet loss on all hops end to end. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike" >> To: ; "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> >>>I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >>> issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys >>> optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there >>> a down side? >>> >>> I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the >>> list. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I've actually been surprised how well behaved xbox has been on my network. The only issue I have is that users on my network cant host games for others on my network. They can host for other networks though. Strange. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the > end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so it > is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget the > exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port > forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, > uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast > , Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every > thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. > > For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that > we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 > homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are > getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, dependant > on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your > network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency > and packet loss on all hops end to end. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > >>I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >> issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys >> optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there >> a down side? >> >> I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the >> list. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Kali - thank you. I will be sane another day. On 10/5/09, David E. Smith wrote: > Josh Luthman wrote: >> What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please remind >> me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! > > If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For > things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi does > a passable job of IPX passthrough. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
LOL, here we old guys go again! Kali was an improvement back then! -RickG On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM, David E. Smith wrote: > Josh Luthman wrote: >> What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please remind >> me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! > > If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For > things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi does > a passable job of IPX passthrough. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Ya! Try getting that working on Lantastic! -RickG On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : >> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. >> >> These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from >> central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to >> distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) >> to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, >> though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, >> where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like >> World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > too good! > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Josh Luthman wrote: > What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please remind > me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! If you're going REALLY old-school, you might be thinking of Kali. For things not based on DOS 6.22, some folks have reported that Hamachi does a passable job of IPX passthrough. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Josh Luthman wrote: > I hate IPX. I really do. > >>From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers > now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do > this as well. L4D on PC can go both ways. You can host a game on your own PC, but many gaming clans/guilds/whatevers choose to rent a server and have their game centrally hosted. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
What was the name of that app that let you play IPX online...please remind me or I'll go crazy trying to remember! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I remember having to use IPX connectivity for games. IP has really > revolutionized many things... though now with VPNs, you could play an IPX > based game across the Internet. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Jeremy Parr" > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:53 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : > >> Mike Hammett wrote: > >>> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. > >> > >> These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from > >> central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to > >> distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) > >> to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, > >> though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, > >> where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like > >> World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > > too good! > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I remember having to use IPX connectivity for games. IP has really revolutionized many things... though now with VPNs, you could play an IPX based game across the Internet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jeremy Parr" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:53 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : >> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. >> >> These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from >> central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to >> distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) >> to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, >> though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, >> where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like >> World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > too good! > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
This is correct. Left 4 Dead does have central hosted servers. Same with the PC side of left 4 dead. And yes. IPX Those were dark times. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:55 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I hate IPX. I really do. >From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do this as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. > > > > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from > > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to > > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) > > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, > > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, > > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like > > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > too good! > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I hate IPX. I really do. >From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do this as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. > > > > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from > > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to > > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) > > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, > > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, > > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like > > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). > > Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. > None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it > too good! > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
2009/10/5 David E. Smith : > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. > > These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from > central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to > distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) > to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, > though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, > where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like > World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it too good! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Mike Hammett wrote: > I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from central (text-based MUDs, games on the "old" AOL and CompuServe) to distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "David E. Smith" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:14 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > Mike wrote: >> I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda >> like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the >> Xbox live servers were centrally located. > > They are and they aren't. Xbox Live itself is centrally located, but > whenever you join a game with other human players, one of those players > will "host" the game. It's basically the same model as most multi-player > games, save MMO games with hundreds or thousands of players, have used > for ten or more years. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Live won't let him sign on if he doesn't have the latest update. The Live servers are centrally located, but a lot of games lately have distributed game hosts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:38 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I > assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and > not your core equipment? > > Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in > my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a > customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater > sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally > a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. > > The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The > repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in > the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the > DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. > > I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think > you can just update from the Xbox, tight? > 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if > it's the server or not. > > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > Xbox live servers were centrally located. > > Mike > > At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >>The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >>end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so >>it >>is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget >>the >>exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >>forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >>uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >>, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >>thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. >> >>For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >>we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >>homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >>getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, >>dependant >>on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >>network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >>and packet loss on all hops end to end. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Mike" >>To: ; "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >>Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >> >> >> >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag >> > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys >> > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there >> > a down side? >> > >> > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the >> > list. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Mike wrote: > I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda > like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the > Xbox live servers were centrally located. They are and they aren't. Xbox Live itself is centrally located, but whenever you join a game with other human players, one of those players will "host" the game. It's basically the same model as most multi-player games, save MMO games with hundreds or thousands of players, have used for ten or more years. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
They haven't gotten any "not good enough" messages from the xbox. I assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and not your core equipment? Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think you can just update from the Xbox, tight? 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if it's the server or not. I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the Xbox live servers were centrally located. Mike At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the >end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so it >is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget the >exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port >forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, >uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast >, Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every >thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. > >For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that >we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 >homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are >getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, dependant >on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your >network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency >and packet loss on all hops end to end. > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike" >To: ; "WISPA General List" >Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM >Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > a down side? > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > > list. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I don't see it using a lot of bandwidth, and it seems to burst pretty quickly when I do see the traffic. But, if the game has to keep track of his position relative to the other players, wouldn't that require a fairly constant packet exchange with the "server?" At 08:37 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >I think the NAT isn't the issue here. The nat gets to the xbox when it >comes to A. connecting to a game. or B. Hosting a game. >Once they are in a game it shouldn't be a nat issue. >The xbox 360 doesn't use much when it comes bandwidth. But think about it >more like a VOIP call. Its very sensitive to jitter and packet loss. >Also, When it comes to the xbox world the servers aren't always up to par. >This is because most games have the user hosting a "server" and everyone >connects to that person. Well most people don't have the internet for that. >Or they are far away and the latency just getting to them is bad. So you >may not be the bad guy here. > >Nick Olsen >Brevard Wireless >(321) 205-1100 x106 > > >------------ > >From: "jp" >Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:39 AM >To: "WISPA General List" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >I think double nat can cause a problem for that sometimes. A low quality >home firewall/router can also contribute. Lend the customer a different >router and see if that helps. > >On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:18:57AM -0500, Mike wrote: > > They ARE behind a double nat. They are a rural pocket of family I > > feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings. I > > put a robust client in the house, and a switch. This one has a long > > Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox. They tested at almost 2M > > down and almost 3M up. > > > > Have you set up QOS queues for XBox? > > > > Mike > > > > At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: > > >What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and >their > > >Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. > > > > > >What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox uses a lot >more > > >then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by >3-4 > > >Xboxes. > > > > > >Josh Luthman > > >Office: 937-552-2340 > > >Direct: 937-552-2343 > > >1100 Wayne St > > >Suite 1337 > > >Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > >improbable, must be the truth." > > >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > > > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and >two > > > > of > > > > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Mike Hammett > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > From: "Mike" > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM > > > > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > > > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > > > > > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > > > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > > > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is >there > > > > > a down side? > > > > > > > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on >the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
The router is a client in the house and managed by us. XBox itself has never protested that the router isn't working properly, just that, as he says it, 'I'm lagging." At 06:39 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >I think double nat can cause a problem for that sometimes. A low quality >home firewall/router can also contribute. Lend the customer a different >router and see if that helps. > >On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:18:57AM -0500, Mike wrote: > > They ARE behind a double nat. They are a rural pocket of family I > > feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings. I > > put a robust client in the house, and a switch. This one has a long > > Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox. They tested at almost 2M > > down and almost 3M up. > > > > Have you set up QOS queues for XBox? > > > > Mike > > > > At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: > > >What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and their > > >Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. > > > > > >What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox > uses a lot more > > >then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 3-4 > > >Xboxes. > > > > > >Josh Luthman > > >Office: 937-552-2340 > > >Direct: 937-552-2343 > > >1100 Wayne St > > >Suite 1337 > > >Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > >improbable, must be the truth." > > >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: > > > > > > > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have > problems... and two > > > > of > > > > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Mike Hammett > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > From: "Mike" > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM > > > > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > > > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > > > > > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > > > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > > > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > > > > a down side? > > > > > > > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never > appeared on the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > --- > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >- > --- > > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >-- >/* >Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL > KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting > http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ >*/ > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wi
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so it is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget the exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, uncheck everything " Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast , Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113)". Not every thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, dependant on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency and packet loss on all hops end to end. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > a down side? > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > list. > > Thanks > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I think the NAT isn't the issue here. The nat gets to the xbox when it comes to A. connecting to a game. or B. Hosting a game. Once they are in a game it shouldn't be a nat issue. The xbox 360 doesn't use much when it comes bandwidth. But think about it more like a VOIP call. Its very sensitive to jitter and packet loss. Also, When it comes to the xbox world the servers aren't always up to par. This is because most games have the user hosting a "server" and everyone connects to that person. Well most people don't have the internet for that. Or they are far away and the latency just getting to them is bad. So you may not be the bad guy here. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "jp" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:39 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I think double nat can cause a problem for that sometimes. A low quality home firewall/router can also contribute. Lend the customer a different router and see if that helps. On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:18:57AM -0500, Mike wrote: > They ARE behind a double nat. They are a rural pocket of family I > feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings. I > put a robust client in the house, and a switch. This one has a long > Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox. They tested at almost 2M > down and almost 3M up. > > Have you set up QOS queues for XBox? > > Mike > > At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: > >What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and their > >Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. > > > >What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox uses a lot more > >then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 3-4 > >Xboxes. > > > >Josh Luthman > >Office: 937-552-2340 > >Direct: 937-552-2343 > >1100 Wayne St > >Suite 1337 > >Troy, OH 45373 > > > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > >improbable, must be the truth." > >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and two > > > of > > > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. > > > > > > > > > - > > > Mike Hammett > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > From: "Mike" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM > > > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > > > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > > > a down side? > > > > > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > >--
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I think double nat can cause a problem for that sometimes. A low quality home firewall/router can also contribute. Lend the customer a different router and see if that helps. On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:18:57AM -0500, Mike wrote: > They ARE behind a double nat. They are a rural pocket of family I > feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings. I > put a robust client in the house, and a switch. This one has a long > Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox. They tested at almost 2M > down and almost 3M up. > > Have you set up QOS queues for XBox? > > Mike > > At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: > >What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and their > >Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. > > > >What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox uses a lot more > >then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 3-4 > >Xboxes. > > > >Josh Luthman > >Office: 937-552-2340 > >Direct: 937-552-2343 > >1100 Wayne St > >Suite 1337 > >Troy, OH 45373 > > > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > >improbable, must be the truth." > >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett > >wrote: > > > > > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and two > > > of > > > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. > > > > > > > > > - > > > Mike Hammett > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > From: "Mike" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM > > > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > > > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > > > a down side? > > > > > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
They ARE behind a double nat. They are a rural pocket of family I feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings. I put a robust client in the house, and a switch. This one has a long Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox. They tested at almost 2M down and almost 3M up. Have you set up QOS queues for XBox? Mike At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: >What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and their >Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. > >What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox uses a lot more >then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 3-4 >Xboxes. > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >improbable, must be the truth." >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and two > > of > > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -- > > From: "Mike" > > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM > > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > > a down side? > > > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > > > list. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Huh? How does that help? At 10:52 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: >As my father told me, a poor workman blames his tools. > >. . . J o n a t h a n > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mike >Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM >To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > >I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag issues. It >seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys optimizing for them? >I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there a down side? > >I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the >list. > >Thanks > > > > >-- >-- >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >-- >-- > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
As my father told me, a poor workman blames his tools. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there a down side? I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the list. Thanks -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and their Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox uses a lot more then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 3-4 Xboxes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and two > of > them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Mike" > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > > > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > > a down side? > > > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > > list. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and two of them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM To: ; "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 > I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag > issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys > optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there > a down side? > > I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the > list. > > Thanks > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
So does that constitute a heat problem :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:20 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues > > Microsoft gets slammed a lot but my communication with them in regards > to my xbox and service has been pretty good. I paid for a year of > live service in January and lost my xbox in a car fire > (iam8up.com/fiya) in February. They refunded the full amount. > > On 12/4/08, RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand the warranty was only 90 days but they have extended it > > to 1 year now. Of course, my luck it would fail after 366 days! -RickG > > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. > >> > >> On 12/4/08, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I > know > >>>> problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know > >>>> quite > >>>> a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them > do) > >>>> and > >>>> none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the > >>>> original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. > >>> > >>> Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can > >>> get > >>> so hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it > >>> cracks. It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the > red > >>> ring around the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or > has > >>> a > >>> son/daughter that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the > box > >>> of > >>> the 360 and it will pretty much take care of the problem. There are > >>> videos > >>> on utube that can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than > >>> replacing > >>> a $300 device. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Jeremy Davis, CEO > >>> Maximum Technologies, LLC > >>> Office 318.303.4725 > >>> www.maximumtech.us > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > -- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> -- > -- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Josh Luthman > >> Office: 937-552-2340 > >> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >> 1100 Wayne St > >> Suite 1337 > >> Troy, OH 45373 > >> > >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > >> --- Henry Spencer > >> > >> > >> --- > - > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> --- > - > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
Microsoft gets slammed a lot but my communication with them in regards to my xbox and service has been pretty good. I paid for a year of live service in January and lost my xbox in a car fire (iam8up.com/fiya) in February. They refunded the full amount. On 12/4/08, RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand the warranty was only 90 days but they have extended it > to 1 year now. Of course, my luck it would fail after 366 days! -RickG > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. >> >> On 12/4/08, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know quite a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) and none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. >>> >>> Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can >>> get >>> so hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it >>> cracks. It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the red >>> ring around the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or has >>> a >>> son/daughter that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the box >>> of >>> the 360 and it will pretty much take care of the problem. There are >>> videos >>> on utube that can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than >>> replacing >>> a $300 device. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Jeremy Davis, CEO >>> Maximum Technologies, LLC >>> Office 318.303.4725 >>> www.maximumtech.us >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
I'm not sure if it was only for a specific series, but Microsoft was extending warranties to like 3 years in preparation for the Halo 3 launch. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:12 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues > I understand the warranty was only 90 days but they have extended it > to 1 year now. Of course, my luck it would fail after 366 days! -RickG > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. >> >> On 12/4/08, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know >>>> problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know >>>> quite >>>> a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) >>>> and >>>> none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the >>>> original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. >>> >>> Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can >>> get >>> so hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it >>> cracks. It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the >>> red >>> ring around the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or >>> has a >>> son/daughter that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the box >>> of >>> the 360 and it will pretty much take care of the problem. There are >>> videos >>> on utube that can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than >>> replacing >>> a $300 device. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Jeremy Davis, CEO >>> Maximum Technologies, LLC >>> Office 318.303.4725 >>> www.maximumtech.us >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
I understand the warranty was only 90 days but they have extended it to 1 year now. Of course, my luck it would fail after 366 days! -RickG On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. > > On 12/4/08, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know >>> problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know >>> quite >>> a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) >>> and >>> none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the >>> original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. >> >> Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can get >> so hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it >> cracks. It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the red >> ring around the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or has a >> son/daughter that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the box of >> the 360 and it will pretty much take care of the problem. There are videos >> on utube that can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than replacing >> a $300 device. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Jeremy Davis, CEO >> Maximum Technologies, LLC >> Office 318.303.4725 >> www.maximumtech.us >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
My Radio shack has these fans on clearance ($12) now for some reason. I bought one for my wife's Christmas present (XBox). Shhh, dont tell her :) -RickG On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:48 AM, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know >> problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know >> quite >> a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) >> and >> none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the >> original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. > > Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can get so > hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it cracks. > It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the red ring around > the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or has a son/daughter > that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the box of the 360 and it > will pretty much take care of the problem. There are videos on utube that > can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than replacing a $300 device. > > Sincerely, > > Jeremy Davis, CEO > Maximum Technologies, LLC > Office 318.303.4725 > www.maximumtech.us > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
The warranty typically replaces the rrod boxes from what I hear. On 12/4/08, jeremyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know >> problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know >> quite >> a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) >> and >> none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the >> original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. > > Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can get > so hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it > cracks. It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the red > ring around the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or has a > son/daughter that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the box of > the 360 and it will pretty much take care of the problem. There are videos > on utube that can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than replacing > a $300 device. > > Sincerely, > > Jeremy Davis, CEO > Maximum Technologies, LLC > Office 318.303.4725 > www.maximumtech.us > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Xbox 360 issues
> Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know > problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know > quite > a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) > and > none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the > original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. Most of the problems are heat related. The xbox's graphic chipset can get so hot that it starts to heat the solder back up and when it cools it cracks. It is called the (RRoD) red ring of death as indicted by the red ring around the power button. Just in case anyone has an xbox 360 or has a son/daughter that does, you can simply add 2 normal case fans to the box of the 360 and it will pretty much take care of the problem. There are videos on utube that can show you how to do it. It is a lot cheaper than replacing a $300 device. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis, CEO Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 www.maximumtech.us WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Maybe it's the placement of the device or just plain bad luck. I know problems have existed and I know people still have issues, but I know quite a large pool of avid gamers (unfortunately, that's ALL some of them do) and none have had to replace an XBox 360 (though a couple did replace the original)... and a few bought them on the day of release. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:58 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > On the 3rd unit myself in about as many years. Don't know many Xbox users > that not lost one due to the so called ring of death. The ones that > haven't bought the fan kit right of the bat. The only good thing for > myself is that each unit been a slight upgrade from the last one at the > same or close to the same price and since I bought the extended warranty > really haven't lost much money. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:02:47 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > I spoke with a doctor last week who's son has gone through 4 in the last > year. May be just that one case, though. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Mike Hammett > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 >> years >> or so. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> > Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on >> the >> > Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a >> lot >> > of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units >> > which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> > --- Henry Spencer >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> UDP 88 >> >> UDP and TCP 3074 >> >> >> >> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox >> >> 360. 360 will need a static IP. >> >> >> >> >> >> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to >> >> 192.168.200.50/24 >> >> >> >> net = wpci1 >> >> client = ether1 >> >> >> >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net >> >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net >> >> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on >> >> > the >> >> > client's NATing routers. >> >> > >> >> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > Mike Hammett >> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM >> >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> >> > Subject: Re:
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
On the 3rd unit myself in about as many years. Don't know many Xbox users that not lost one due to the so called ring of death. The ones that haven't bought the fan kit right of the bat. The only good thing for myself is that each unit been a slight upgrade from the last one at the same or close to the same price and since I bought the extended warranty really haven't lost much money. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:02:47 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I spoke with a doctor last week who's son has gone through 4 in the last year. May be just that one case, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years > or so. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on > the > > Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a > lot > > of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units > > which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > > --- Henry Spencer > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> UDP 88 > >> UDP and TCP 3074 > >> > >> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox > >> 360. 360 will need a static IP. > >> > >> > >> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to > >> 192.168.200.50/24 > >> > >> net = wpci1 > >> client = ether1 > >> > >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net > >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net > >> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> wrote: > >> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the > >> > client's NATing routers. > >> > > >> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) > >> > > >> > > >> > - > >> > Mike Hammett > >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> > http://www.ics-il.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------- > >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM > >> > To: "WISPA General List" > >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> > > >> >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > >> >> > >> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > >> >> > >> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers? > >> >> > >> >> marlon > >> >> > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox > >> >>> requests > >> >>> the > >> >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I spoke with a doctor last week who's son has gone through 4 in the last year. May be just that one case, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years > or so. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on > the > > Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a > lot > > of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units > > which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > > --- Henry Spencer > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> UDP 88 > >> UDP and TCP 3074 > >> > >> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox > >> 360. 360 will need a static IP. > >> > >> > >> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to > >> 192.168.200.50/24 > >> > >> net = wpci1 > >> client = ether1 > >> > >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net > >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net > >> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> wrote: > >> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the > >> > client's NATing routers. > >> > > >> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) > >> > > >> > > >> > - > >> > Mike Hammett > >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> > http://www.ics-il.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM > >> > To: "WISPA General List" > >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> > > >> >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > >> >> > >> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > >> >> > >> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers? > >> >> > >> >> marlon > >> >> > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox > >> >>> requests > >> >>> the > >> >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> - > >> >>> Mike Hammett > >> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> >>> http://www.ics-il.com > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -------------- > >> >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM > >> >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> >>> > >> >>>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on the > Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a lot > of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units > which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> UDP 88 >> UDP and TCP 3074 >> >> those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox >> 360. 360 will need a static IP. >> >> >> we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to >> 192.168.200.50/24 >> >> net = wpci1 >> client = ether1 >> >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net >> forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net >> forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net >> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the >> > client's NATing routers. >> > >> > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) >> > >> > >> > - >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> > >> >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. >> >> >> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? >> >> >> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers? >> >> >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >> >> >> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox >> >>> requests >> >>> the >> >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> - >> >>> Mike Hammett >> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >>> http://www.ics-il.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM >> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>> >> >>>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >> >>>> >> >>>> - Original Message - >> >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port >> forwarded >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I >> dunno >> >>>>> what >> >>>>> to do about that. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - >> >>>>> Mike Hammett >> >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on the Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a lot of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > UDP 88 > UDP and TCP 3074 > > those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox > 360. 360 will need a static IP. > > > we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to > 192.168.200.50/24 > > net = wpci1 > client = ether1 > > forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net > forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net > forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the > > client's NATing routers. > > > > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -------------- > > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > >> > >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > >> > >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers? > >> > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> > >> > >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests > >>> the > >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >>> > >>>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? > >>>> > >>>> - Original Message - > >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port > forwarded > >>>>> to > >>>>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I > dunno > >>>>> what > >>>>> to do about that. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> Mike Hammett > >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >>>>> > >>>>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in > a > >>>>>> router > >>>>>> that I set up for a customer. > >>>>>> marlon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Original Message - > >>>>
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
UDP 88 UDP and TCP 3074 those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox 360. 360 will need a static IP. we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to 192.168.200.50/24 net = wpci1 client = ether1 forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 in via $net forward udp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net forward tcp to 192.168.200.50 3074 from any to any 3074 in via $net On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the > client's NATing routers. > > I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. >> >> What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? >> >> Is there something I should be trying on the routers? >> >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests >>> the >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded >>>>> to >>>>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno >>>>> what >>>>> to do about that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>>>>> router >>>>>> that I set up for a customer. >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>>>>>> pick >>>>>>> of people to connect with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA Ge
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
My NAT customers work behind their own routers on the 360 and PS3. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > > > > What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > > > > Is there something I should be trying on the routers? > > Are all your custommers NAT'd or do you assign them public IP's? > > Matt > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > > What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > > Is there something I should be trying on the routers? Are all your custommers NAT'd or do you assign them public IP's? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the client's NATing routers. I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:24 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > > What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > > Is there something I should be trying on the routers? > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests >> the >> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------ >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded >>>> to >>>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno >>>> what >>>> to do about that. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>>>> router >>>>> that I set up for a customer. >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>>>>> pick >>>>>> of people to connect with. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>>>>> dominated >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> market for a while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident >>>>>>>> Halo >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Duty >>>>>>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>>>>>&g
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? Is there something I should be trying on the routers? marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests > the > port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded >>> to >>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno >>> what >>> to do about that. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>>> router >>>> that I set up for a customer. >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>>>> pick >>>>> of people to connect with. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>>>> dominated >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> market for a while. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Duty >>>>>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>>>>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>>>>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >>>>>> >>>>>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >>>>>> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >>>>>> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >>>>>> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >>>>>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >>>>>> connection goes crappy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wa
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Maybe the RooTennas have personality. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > I believe what Dennis is saying is MT CPEs are EXCELLENT :) > > Arc are my favorite enclosures but Roottennas are good too, just short > on looks. > > On 12/2/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! >> >> -- >> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* >> 314-735-0270 >> http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> >> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* >> >> >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests >>> the >>> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded >>>>> to >>>>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I >>>>> dunno >>>>> what >>>>> to do about that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>>>>> router >>>>>> that I set up for a customer. >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the >>>>>>> best >>>>>>> pick >>>>>>> of people to connect with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>>>>>> dominated >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I believe what Dennis is saying is MT CPEs are EXCELLENT :) Arc are my favorite enclosures but Roottennas are good too, just short on looks. On 12/2/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! > > -- > * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* > 314-735-0270 > http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests >> the >> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ---------- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >>> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>> >>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded >>>> to >>>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno >>>> what >>>> to do about that. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>>>> router >>>>> that I set up for a customer. >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>>>>> pick >>>>>> of people to connect with. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>>>>> dominated >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> market for a while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Duty >>>>>>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>>>>>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>>>>>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. &g
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* Mike Hammett wrote: > If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the > port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >> >>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to >>> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno >>> what >>> to do about that. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>>> router >>>> that I set up for a customer. >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>>>> pick >>>>> of people to connect with. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>>>> dominated >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> market for a while. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >>>>>>> Duty >>>>>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>>>>>> >>>>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>>>>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>>>>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >>>>>> >>>>>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >>>>>> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >>>>>> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >>>>>> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >>>>>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >>>>>> connection goes crappy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>>>> >>>>>
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to >> the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno >> what >> to do about that. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >>> router >>> that I set up for a customer. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>>> pick >>>> of people to connect with. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>>> dominated >>>>>> the >>>>>> market for a while. >>>>>> >>>>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo >>>>>> and >>>>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >>>>>> Duty >>>>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>>>> >>>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>>>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>>>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >>>>> >>>>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >>>>> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >>>>> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >>>>> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >>>>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >>>>> connection goes crappy. >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wi
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to > the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno > what > to do about that. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a >> router >> that I set up for a customer. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >>> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >>> pick >>> of people to connect with. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have >>>>> dominated >>>>> the >>>>> market for a while. >>>>> >>>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo >>>>> and >>>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >>>>> Duty >>>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>>> >>>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >>>> >>>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >>>> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >>>> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >>>> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >>>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >>>> connection goes crappy. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The inability for the 50 dollar router to do the NAT would be the only thing I could imagine. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router > that I set up for a customer. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick >> of people to connect with. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------- >> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated >>>> the >>>> market for a while. >>>> >>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and >>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >>>> Duty >>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>> >>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >>> >>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >>> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >>> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >>> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >>> connection goes crappy. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Indeed. If someone's connection is crap and they're the host, everyone else's will be crap as well for the duration of that game. Previously an upstream of mine had a bad router that would decide on its own what traffic it would or would not pass without issue. The issue was most noticeable on World of Warcraft, but downloads from various companies didn't work either. All I could do was to have someone play that game at a hop and see if it worked or not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:45 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > So, if the host of the game is on a bad connection that would screw up > everyone? > > I've got people with 8 and 9 meg connections having trouble. Found out > about a play station customer that's having some trouble too. > > I think that there must be something on our network(s) that is at least > adding to the problem. I just can't figure out what to test for. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> *nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't >> played >> many other games online. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>> I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for >>> other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. >>> >>> On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Problems with PC games? >>>> >>>> I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the >>>> users >>>> in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's >>>> entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could >>>> be >>>> your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only >>>> indicator >>>> of connection quality. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>>> We've seen trouble for months out here. >>>>> >>>>> Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've >>>>> got >>>>> customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox >>>>> 360 >>>>> games. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is >>>>>> possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess >>>>>> is >>>>>> that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a >>>>>> pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems >>>>>> things have smoothed out a bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Wes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a > router > that I set up for a customer. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best >> pick >> of people to connect with. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------- >> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated >>>> the >>>> market for a while. >>>> >>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo >>>> and >>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >>>> Duty >>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >>> >>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >>> >>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >>> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >>> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >>> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >>> connection goes crappy. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick > of people to connect with. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated >>> the >>> market for a while. >>> >>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and >>> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >>> Duty >>> does games p2p versus client-server, though. >> >> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the >> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did >> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. >> >> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match >> have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it >> 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of >> users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they >> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that >> connection goes crappy. >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
So, if the host of the game is on a bad connection that would screw up everyone? I've got people with 8 and 9 meg connections having trouble. Found out about a play station customer that's having some trouble too. I think that there must be something on our network(s) that is at least adding to the problem. I just can't figure out what to test for. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > *nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't > played > many other games online. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for >> other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. >> >> On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Problems with PC games? >>> >>> I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the >>> users >>> in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's >>> entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could >>> be >>> your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only >>> indicator >>> of connection quality. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>>> We've seen trouble for months out here. >>>> >>>> Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've >>>> got >>>> customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox >>>> 360 >>>> games. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>>> Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is >>>>> possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess >>>>> is >>>>> that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a >>>>> pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems >>>>> things have smoothed out a bit. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Wes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other >>>>> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person >>>>> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are >>>>> having trouble >>>>> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. >>>>> >>>>> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and >>>>> even in >>>>> different towns. >>
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
new firmware* not bew =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Scottie Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "...bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC)" > > What's that if you do not mind me asking? > > Scottie > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:25:09 -0500 > > >I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew > >firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be > >related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It > >explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. > > > >On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Can you see it from there?:-) > >> > >> _ > >> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> > >> > >> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me > >> > >> Josh Luthman wrote: > >> > >> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other > >> > >> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person > >> > >> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> > >> > >> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having > trouble > >> > >> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. > >> > >> > >> > >> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in > >> > >> different towns. > >> > >> > >> > >> No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. > >> > >> > >> > >> Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? > >> > >> > >> > >> thanks, > >> > >> marlon > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > >-- > >Sent from my mobile device > > > >Josh Luthman > >Office: 937-552-2340 > >Direct: 937-552-2343 > >1100 Wayne St > >Suite 1337 > >Troy, OH 45373 > > > >Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > >--- Henry Spencer > > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >--- > >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
"...bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC)" What's that if you do not mind me asking? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:25:09 -0500 >I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew >firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be >related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It >explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. > >On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Can you see it from there?:-) >> >> _ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me >> >> Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other >> >> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person >> >> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. >> >> >> >> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble >> >> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. >> >> >> >> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in >> >> different towns. >> >> >> >> No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. >> >> >> >> Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >-- >Sent from my mobile device > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >--- Henry Spencer > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated >> the >> market for a while. >> >> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and >> Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of >> Duty >> does games p2p versus client-server, though. > > One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the > quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did > not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. > > I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match > have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it > 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of > users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they > connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that > connection goes crappy. > > Matt > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The few games I play I always hear everyone or no one lagging. Of course everyone says they're lagging when they're losing, so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated > the > > market for a while. > > > > Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and > > Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of > Duty > > does games p2p versus client-server, though. > > One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the > quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did > not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. > > I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match > have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it > 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of > users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they > connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that > connection goes crappy. > > Matt > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the > market for a while. > > Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and > Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty > does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > *nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't > played > many other games online. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for > > other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. > > > > On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Problems with PC games? > >> > >> I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the > >> users > >> in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's > >> entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could > be > >> your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only > >> indicator > >> of connection quality. > >> > >> > >> - > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> > >>> We've seen trouble for months out here. > >>> > >>> Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've > got > >>> customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox > >>> 360 > >>> games. > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >>> > >>> > >>>> Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is > >>>> possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess > >>>> is > >>>> that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a > >>>> pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems > >>>> things have smoothed out a bit. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -Wes > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > >>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me > >>>> > >>>> Josh Luthman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other > >>>> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person > >>>> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. > >>>> > >>>> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are > >>>> having trouble > >>>> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. > >>>> > >>>> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and > >&
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
*nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't played many other games online. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for > other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. > > On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Problems with PC games? >> >> I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the >> users >> in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's >> entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be >> your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only >> indicator >> of connection quality. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------------ >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >>> We've seen trouble for months out here. >>> >>> Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got >>> customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox >>> 360 >>> games. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>>> Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is >>>> possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess >>>> is >>>> that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a >>>> pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems >>>> things have smoothed out a bit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Wes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman wrote: >>>> >>>> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other >>>> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person >>>> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. >>>> >>>> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are >>>> having trouble >>>> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. >>>> >>>> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and >>>> even in >>>> different towns. >>>> >>>> No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. >>>> >>>> Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Problems with PC games? > > I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users > in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's > entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be > your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator > of connection quality. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > >> We've seen trouble for months out here. >> >> Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got >> customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 >> games. >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >>> Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is >>> possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is >>> that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a >>> pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems >>> things have smoothed out a bit. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Wes >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me >>> >>> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other >>> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person >>> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. >>> >>> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are >>> having trouble >>> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. >>> >>> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and >>> even in >>> different towns. >>> >>> No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. >>> >>> Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? >>> >>> thanks, >>> marlon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > We've seen trouble for months out here. > > Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got > customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 > games. > > - Original Message - > From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > >> Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is >> possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is >> that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a >> pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems >> things have smoothed out a bit. >> >> >> >> -Wes >> >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >> >> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me >> >> Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other >> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person >> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. >> >> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are >> having trouble >> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. >> >> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and >> even in >> different towns. >> >> No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. >> >> Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The update was released on the 19th and requires 128 MB of storage space. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew > firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be > related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It > explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. > > On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Can you see it from there?:-) >> >> _ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues >> >> >> Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me >> >> Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other >> >> players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person >> >> in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. >> >> >> >> On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having >> trouble >> >> with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. >> >> >> >> These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in >> >> different towns. >> >> >> >> No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. >> >> >> >> Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: "Wes James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is > possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is > that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a > pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems > things have smoothed out a bit. > > > > -Wes > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > > Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me > > Josh Luthman wrote: > > The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other > players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person > in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. > > On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are > having trouble > with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. > > These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and > even in > different towns. > > No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. > > Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? > > thanks, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you see it from there?:-) > > _ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues > > > Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me > > Josh Luthman wrote: > > The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other > > players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person > > in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. > > > > On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble > > with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. > > > > These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in > > different towns. > > > > No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. > > > > Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? > > > > thanks, > > marlon > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Can you see it from there?:-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble > with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. > > These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in > different towns. > > No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. > > Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? > > thanks, > marlon > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
