[WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Hope Stewart
Say you want to create this two-column layout: div id=leftContent for id left Goes Here/div div id=rightContent for id right Goes Here/div What, if any, are the advantages and/or disadvantages of (1) floating neither column compared to (2) floating one column? Sample CSS: (1) floating neither

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread russ - maxdesign
The biggest drawback of absolute positioning is that it is removed from the normal flow of the document. This means that any other content below will ignore the absolutely positioned content. For example, a footer may slide up under and be obscured by two absolutely positioned containers. Can I

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Hope Stewart
On 25/4/05 5:26 PM, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest drawback of absolute positioning is that it is removed from the normal flow of the document. This means that any other content below will ignore the absolutely positioned content. For example, a footer may slide up

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread russ - maxdesign
In my email, I was originally going to have a third option of floating both columns, but when I tested it in Safari the columns sat on top of one another instead of side-by-side. What is wrong with my CSS? This is what I tried: Well, for a start, when added together the amounts equal more

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-25 Thread designer
Naah. Foster, if he needs to, would use Opera's zoom feature . . . :-) Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk - Original Message - From: Ricci Angela [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] IMAGE(was

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread russ - maxdesign
Ignore. I misread your 10px as 10% Russ = Idiot Well, for a start, when added together the amounts equal more than 100% which means they will not fit within the browser window - which is 100%. :) 10 + 45 + 45 + 10 = 110 Also, remember that making the amount exactly 100% is dangerous as

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Hope Stewart wrote: ... What, if any, are the advantages and/or disadvantages of (1) floating neither column compared to (2) floating one column? Sample CSS: ... Absolute positioning of larger parts of a page, is *not* recommended. Only elements with fixed dimensions, in an environment of fixed

[WSG] help, please!!

2005-04-25 Thread Rachel Campbell
Hello all, I've been developing a site based on the Ruthsarian layouts and it's working ok except in IE 6.0, where there's a problem which is leaving me baffled, so I'm hoping that someone will be able to help. The site is http://www.ely.anglican.org/parishes/camgsm/new_site/index.html The css

[WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
I am having some difficulties to position the content of legend using CSS in Firefox. Firefox (and IE) default positions the legend so that it overlaps with the border of the fieldset. Which in general is quite nice, but in my particular case I want the content of the legend to be inside the

RE: [WSG] help, please!!

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Rachel Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 7:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] help, please!! Hello all, I've been developing a site based on the Ruthsarian layouts and it's working ok except in IE 6.0,

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Ingo Chao
Hope Stewart schrieb: In my email, I was originally going to have a third option of floating both columns, but when I tested it in Safari the columns sat on top of one another instead of side-by-side. ...: #right { float: right right: 10px; width: 45%; border: 1px solid black;

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 7:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox I am having some difficulties to position the content of legend using CSS in

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] I am having some difficulties to position the content of legend using CSS in Firefox. Legends are notoriously difficult (impossible?) to style consistently across browsers, and yes...in addition to that, FF seems to put additional roadblocks in the way -

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] Oh, I forgot the URL: http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home2.html If you can live with the weird margin at the top (which shouldn't affect the form, but it does ?!), you could try something like #main fieldset {position:relative; border: none; }

Re: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread James Ellis
Hi Firefox has this to say about the way it styles forms by default. If you can override these then it may help.. These default browser styles are found in res/*.css of your firefox install dir. e.g /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/res/forms.css in my (and this) case To get around the issue, I style

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Patrick Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 8:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox If you can live with the weird margin at the top (which shouldn't affect the form, but it does ?!),

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 9:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox To get around the issue, I style the form not the fieldset tag so that the legend appears fully

Re: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread James Ellis
Hi Then what about using some relative positioning to offset the legend? position : relative; top : 10px; /* i think that is right - or is it -10px to move it down the required amount ? */ Cheers James On 4/25/05, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Hope Stewart
On 25/4/05 8:09 PM, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem here is the first rule: you forgot the ;, so a parser could read this: #right { width: 45%; border: 1px solid black; } D'oh!! now you might wonder why this does not fit side-by-side in FF, OP, but in IE.

Re: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Genau L. Júnior
I did some with legend tag on my website on all those form leilds. check this out,,, http://www.meucarronovo.com.br Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: -Original Message- From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 9:01 PM To:

Re: [WSG] help, please!!

2005-04-25 Thread Stuart Homfray
Rachel Campbell wrote: I've been developing a site based on the Ruthsarian layouts and it's working ok except in IE 6.0, where there's a problem which is leaving me baffled, so I'm hoping that someone will be able to help. ... There isn't a problem if you set IE's options to refresh on every

[WSG] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread tee
Hi, I have this page that have 4px gap between two divs in Safari and all Gecko based browsers, amazingly IE 5/6 and Mac IE 5.2 got it right. Can't think of anything that messes up. Here are the codes for the and menu. The Flash banner in the pageHeader is 131 x 780 px exactly.

Re: [WSG] help, please!!

2005-04-25 Thread Ingo Chao
Rachel Campbell schrieb: The problem is that the header doesn't always display at all on some pages, such as http://www.ely.anglican.org/parishes/camgsm/new_site/activities/music/index.html. There isn't a problem if you set IE's options to refresh on every visit to the page, but that's not

[WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread tee
Sorry, realized I got the url wrong. Here is the right one: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/catering_new.html And the css here: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/css/joaquindeli.css Thanks! tee From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:00:20

[WSG] killing the object tag

2005-04-25 Thread Alan Trick
XHTML 2 is going to get rid of the img tag, which I think is good. object is a far better tag mainly because of it's fallback options, but the problem with object is that is has a very messed up history and as a result, it's practically impossible to use it for anything useful as long as your

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread Ingo Chao
tee schrieb: Sorry, realized I got the url wrong. Here is the right one: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/catering_new.html Thanks for the URL. #intro object {display: block;} /* do not touch */ should fix it here. :) Objects are inline replaced elements like images, they sit on the baseline.

[WSG] may 1 reboot

2005-04-25 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi All Who is participating in the May 1 CSS reboot? http://www.cssreboot.com/ I have been working on a new design for my blog and need to post the blackout screen tonight. For those working in wordpress, do you have any suggestions for putting up the black screen and still being able to test?

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread tee
tee schrieb: Sorry, realized I got the url wrong. Here is the right one: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/catering_new.html Thanks for the URL. #intro object {display: block;} /* do not touch */ should fix it here. :) Objects are inline replaced elements like images, they sit on

RE: [WSG] killing the object tag

2005-04-25 Thread Richard Ishida
What do you guys think of this? Is their somewhere I can submit this too? From http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722/ Public discussion may take place on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (archive). To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word subscribe in the subject line. hth RI

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread Ingo Chao
tee schrieb: Thanks Ingo. It fixed but create a new problem for IE 5.2 Mac. It doubles the space. http://clients.lotusseeds.com/ie5.jpg I know DW design view has display problem but this is something unusual as soon as I inserted your code to my css file: http://clients.lotusseeds.com/dw.jpg

Re: [WSG] killing the object tag

2005-04-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Alan Trick wrote: XHTML 2 is going to get rid of the img tag, which I think is good. object [...] it's practically impossible to use it for anything useful as long as your clients are using IE. Alan, XHTML 2 is not meant to be backwards compatible. As IE doesn't officially support XHTML 2 at

Re: [WSG] may 1 reboot

2005-04-25 Thread Kvnmcwebn
how are you going to do this? im rebooting as well and I have no clue, replying to this one of list would probably be better thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] may 1 reboot

2005-04-25 Thread Jan Brasna
I have this setting DirectoryIndex index.phtml index.php default.php index.html index.htm on my server, so I just have to upload index.phtml - it has bigger priority. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tee wrote: Sorry, realized I got the url wrong. Here is the right one: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/catering_new.html Simple fix: #intro {line-height: 0;} Note also: LOCATION is too high up in Opera. Some adjustments needed to top of that list. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] killing the object tag

2005-04-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Alan Trick wrote: When (if)? IE supports HTML it may still want to be able to support it's old buggy object. Just look at all their CSS bugs they have in the name of 'backwards-compatibily' and 'consistancy'. But that's my point: XHTML 2 as a specification is not meant to be backwards

[WSG] Re: IMG and text alignment

2005-04-25 Thread White Ash
Thanks to Leslie and Alan for responding. Leslie, I tried what you were suggesting but to no avail. Alan, the -.25 setting seem to work (even though my wysiwig forces the header underneath the photos, but all is fine on previewing in the browser). Alan, you said, Well personally I would kill

[WSG] RE: Re: IMG and text alignment

2005-04-25 Thread White Ash
Also, another piece of my post that I have not seen a response to: Next question ~ is there a way to have the items in my navbar automatically stretch from the left margin to the right margin? I currently have a 10px right margin setting for each item in the css, but that doesn't seem very

Re: [WSG] may 1 reboot

2005-04-25 Thread Ryan
Jan Brasna wrote: I have this setting DirectoryIndex index.phtml index.php default.php index.html index.htm on my server, so I just have to upload index.phtml - it has bigger priority. I thought about joining, but I found out about it too late, and there is no way I could get a new design for

Re: [WSG] RE: Re: IMG and text alignment

2005-04-25 Thread Carol Doersom
White Ash wrote: is there a way to have the items in my navbar automatically stretch from the left margin to the right margin? I currently have a 10px right margin setting for each item in the css, but that doesn't seem very scientific to me and leaves a ragged right margin. relevant css

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 26 Apr 2005, at 1:08 am, tee wrote: #intro object {display: block;} /* do not touch */ should fix it here. :) Objects are inline replaced elements like images, they sit on the baseline. Ingo Thanks Ingo. It fixed but create a new problem for IE 5.2 Mac. It doubles the space.

[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org (Out of office)

2005-04-25 Thread Charles Kroger
I will be out of the office from noon on Monday 4/25 through and including Wednesday 4/27. ITS Help Desk, 612-659-6600 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
You have got what I want, but as far as I can see you didn't use legend for it, but used a h4 for the titles of your fieldsets. I want to do the same, but using legends if possible. From: Genau L. Júnior [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 8:44

RE: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 25 April 2005 9:47 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox Hi Then what about using some relative positioning to offset the legend? position : relative; top

Re: [WSG] Styling of legend in Firefox

2005-04-25 Thread Chris Stratford
Yes I have had this problem too. I end up trying to ignore the inconcistency and just live with it. What does look cool is if you put a padding (0.2em) or something small on the legend. Give it a border, the same colour as the fieldset, then a new background colour. add cursor: pointer, and with