[WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
Is there a way to accurately and seamlessly position this image over the background? At the moment, a percentage left position doesn't quite do the job. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish/girls.html ** The

[WSG] But why didn't Eric use positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Donna Maurer
Hi guys Sorry this is a WE05 specific question... In Eric Meyer's presentation at WE05, he talked through the decision-making process of constructing AListApart. It was a good presentation, but lost me at one point. The challenge was: * three columns of content * no guarantee which would be

Re: [WSG] But why didn't Eric use positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Donna Maurer wrote: This is where I lost the point... I understand this is hard because you don't know which column to use as a reference for the footer positioning. But couldn't you wrap the three columns in an relatively positioned div and position the footer relative the the whole thing?

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
Sorry to seemingly use this group to have a conversation with myself but I have been working on my problem and floated the image within the wrapper and then used relative positioning! Is this a valid method? The site works in IE for PC and Safari and Firefox for Mac. In Mac IE, though, the

[WSG] XOXO What Fo'?

2005-10-05 Thread Alan Gutierrez
Looking at this. http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/XOXO The examples are puzzling. ol class='xoxo' liSubject 1 ol lisubpoint a/li lisubpoint b/li /ol /li liSubject 2 ol compact=compact lisubpoint c/li lisubpoint d/li /ol

Re: [WSG] But why didn't Eric use positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Donna Maurer
Thanks, now I remember how it works! I have used positioning before (it is on my current site), but do find it a bit tricky to think around! Feeling silly... Donna On 5 Oct 2005 at 11:23, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Donna Maurer wrote: When you position something absolutely, you remove it

RE: [WSG] Absolute positioning objects and centering content.

2005-10-05 Thread Mike Foskett
Hi all, I've just used a little absolute positioning inside an div for the first time in years. Is it common practice to add position:relative to the body element to get relative objects to behave when resizing the browser? During this project I also found a solution to centre content that

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
BTW the floated page is here: http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish1/girls.html On 05/10/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to seemingly use this group to have a conversation with myself but I have been working on my problem and floated the image within the wrapper and then used

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Adam Morris wrote: Is there a way to accurately and seamlessly position this image over the background? http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish/girls.html .tornpic { width:350px; height:316px; float: right; margin: -113px -24px 0 0; background: url(tornpic0.jpg) no-repeat; position: relative; }

Re: [WSG] Jello flexible layout

2005-10-05 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:18:15 -0400, Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm, is this related to Jello exclusively? Yes. However, I managed to get the designer to go another direction with reguards to full height. But full height using Jello Mold is tricky because one of the key

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
That's great! Using margins instead of relative positioning has placed the image in IE Mac too! What is this bug in IE/Win that you need position: relative; for? On 05/10/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Morris wrote: Is there a way to accurately and seamlessly position this

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread James Ellis
Hi This is a bit late, the internet broke for me for the last few days...On 9/30/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:James Ellis wrote: Conditional statements in HTML such as those used by IE/Windows are a slippery slope and they seriously break a central tenet of programming. They

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-05 Thread James Ellis
Hey The MS true type fonts core fonts are available for any system (that supports TTF) to download via http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19259 I'm sure they are available elsewhere but I pick most of my eyecandy stuff for KDE from here. If you specify sans-serif as the fallback font,

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-05 Thread Felix Miata
Mugur Padurean wrote: As an added note to Linux fonts: It may be useful for some of you guys to know that on some major Linux distros ( Fedora, Debian, Slackware) in all browsers available through the KDE or Gnome fonts appear to be rendered slightly bigger than on WIN. Up to 5 % bigger.

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Sturgess
I've found I can't take advantage of conditional comments as the stand alone versions of old ie browsers i have don't support them, they all think they are ie6! Doing some research into this to, mostly because I wanted to avoid the * html selector, I came across this fantastic article:

RE: Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread patboens
I am also a bit late in the process of giving my humble advice on this thread. Being a C programmer for almost 20 years, I would like to cover my developer's hat for a few minutes. I strongly discourage using comments to obtain ... conditional compilation/interpretation. In many languages,

Re: [WSG] Jello flexible layout

2005-10-05 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 5 Oct 2005, at 10:19 pm, Tom Livingston wrote: However, I managed to get the designer to go another direction with reguards to full height. But full height using Jello Mold is tricky because one of the key structural elements must have a height of 0 within a Holly Hack for IEWin.

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Adam Morris wrote: What is this bug in IE/Win that you need position: relative; for? Parts of the float that's overflowing the outer container when pulled like this, will become invisible. -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Jello flexible layout

2005-10-05 Thread Buddy Quaid
I did an experiment with the full height thing about a year ago. I was absolutely baffled but what I found out, is if you leave out the doctype, full height will work in IE. But does not work with a doctype. Obviously because the browser has kicked into the dtd's mode. You can see the final

[WSG] Header text problem

2005-10-05 Thread Zach Inglis
http://www.zachinglis.com/ZachInglis.html The h3's I've tried it with them OUTSIDE the h3/h3 tags but that doesn't work either. At the moment i'm only modding the top post before you ask. ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Header text problem

2005-10-05 Thread Bert Doorn
Not sure what exactly you're asking, but: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A//www.zachinglis.com/ZachInglis.html It's broken code, which may explain why you are having problems. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading,

RE: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Drake, Ted C.
If all heck is breaking loose on your floated objects in IE. Add position:relative and it may cure the problem. Sure, it is better to break it all down and try a more bullet-proof design. But sometimes its better to just go with the quick fix. Ted -Original Message- Adam Morris

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Sturgess wrote: I've found I can't take advantage of conditional comments as the stand alone versions of old ie browsers i have don't support them, they all think they are ie6! You can tweak the registry to fix that: http://labs.insert-title.com/labs/article809.aspx If you don't want to

Re: Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have taken the decision to step away from this weird possibility of IE ... simply because I do not want to be obliged, in a year or two, to change a bulk of web sites built on that feature. Pat, As long as the vector version in the conditional expression does not

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
James Ellis wrote: Conditional statements in HTML such as those used by IE/Windows are a slippery slope and they seriously break a central tenet of programming. They are contained with !-- HTML comments -- and comments in code are not meant to be parsed as code. It's just plain badness. I

RE: Ouch- was: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-05 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi Terrence I try to avoid personal attacks and I thought twice before sending and once before the graphic designer attack. After sending it I realized I should have at least re-read the thing before hitting the send button. What I was referring to was this line: why you would search

Re: [WSG] But why didn't Eric use positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Ben Curtis
On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:06 AM, Donna Maurer wrote: The challenge was: * three columns of content * no guarantee which would be longer * vertical lines between them * a footer that spanned the full width of the screen As part of the decision, he was discussing whether he would use absolute

[WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Mike Brown
Hey I don't think there is, but is there any sort of consensus of the use of zoom layouts? http://www.alistapart.com/articles/lowvision/ http://www.joeclark.org/atmedia/atmedia-NOTES-2.html http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2005/06/24/zoom-layout.html In particular: 1) How do you signal that

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread russ - maxdesign
1) How do you signal that one is available? I'd like to use text (as opposed to an icon) but who is going to know what zoom layout means? Perhaps low-vision layout or low-vision version work better? The new Amnesty International Australia site uses a zoom layout option. The icon can be seen

Re: [WSG] Header text problem

2005-10-05 Thread Zach Inglis
I can't seem to fix the UTF problem. Any ideas? On 5 Oct 2005, at 16:13, Bert Doorn wrote: Not sure what exactly you're asking, but: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A// www.zachinglis.com/ZachInglis.html It's broken code, which may explain why you are having problems.

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Zach Inglis
Joe Clarke did a speech on it earlier this year at @media... his slides can be found at http://joeclark.org/atmedia/atmedia-NOTES-2.html On 5 Oct 2005, at 16:53, Mike Brown wrote: Hey I don't think there is, but is there any sort of consensus of the use of zoom layouts?

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mike Brown wrote: I don't think there is, but is there any sort of consensus of the use of zoom layouts? 1) How do you signal that one is available? I'd like to use text (as opposed to an icon) but who is going to know what zoom layout means? Perhaps low-vision layout or low-vision version

Re: [WSG] Header text problem

2005-10-05 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I can't seem to fix the UTF problem. Any ideas? If you mean the first of the 35 validation errors, have a look at what the validator suggests: ...perhaps you meant to self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of . So, meta . / instead of meta Regards

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Mike Brown
Patrick H. Lauke said: I actually had a bit of a discussion with Joe Clark on this issue during his London workshop last month. I'd argue that users of things like screen magnifiers, who are the target audience for zoom layouts, don't need excessively larger fonts and that the reversing of

Re: [WSG] Header text problem

2005-10-05 Thread Zach Inglis
BBEdit had a / at the end, I don't know why the source didn't. Fixed now though. Cheers On 5 Oct 2005, at 17:36, Bert Doorn wrote: G'day I can't seem to fix the UTF problem. Any ideas? If you mean the first of the 35 validation errors, have a look at what the validator suggests:

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mike Brown wrote: Meaning that the value of zoom layouts is what? Just that it's putting content is a single column to prevent overlap etc? Not just overlap, but mainly that things aren't positioned off to the right, where users with screen magnifiers won't normally look for them. And

[WSG] using the * within a selector

2005-10-05 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi All I'd like to replace this: a[hreflang=sp]:after, a[hreflang=sp-mx]:after, a[hreflang=sp-us]:after, a[hreflang=sp-sp]:after, a[hreflang=sp-hn]:after, a[hreflang=sp-cu]:after, a[hreflang=sp-co]:after, a[hreflang=sp-ec]:after, a[hreflang=sp-gt]:after, a[hreflang=sp-pa]:after,

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: As for naming, imho it would also make sense to simply call it single column / large size or similar... ..or *linearized* / large text-size... Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for

[WSG] Use of asterisk in ALT

2005-10-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi all I recently stumbled across a site (sorry lost the reference now) that made reference to the fact that an asterisk should be used inside an ALT attribute (eg alt=*) when the image is only used for presentation purposes. Apparantly this is helpful for screen readers. Can anyone reaffirm

Re: [WSG] using the * within a selector

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Mientjes
On 10/5/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a[hreflang=sp]:after, a[hreflang=sp-*]:after {content:\A0(In Spanish); font-size:90%; color:#666;} Is there a way to use the wildcard inside a selector like this? a[hreflang*=sp]::after { ... } See:

Re: [WSG] using the * within a selector

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Mientjes
On 10/5/05, Rob Mientjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a[hreflang*=sp]::after { ... } See: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-css3-selectors-2003/#selectors Or a[hreflang^=sp]::after { ... } just to make sure it only selects attributes starting with sp and nothing else.

Re: [WSG] Use of asterisk in ALT

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Mientjes
On 10/5/05, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently stumbled across a site (sorry lost the reference now) that made reference to the fact that an asterisk should be used inside an ALT attribute (eg alt=*) when the image is only used for presentation purposes. Maybe it was

[WSG] How do I vertical-align bottom

2005-10-05 Thread Janelle Clemens
I have a div inside a table cell that needs to align to the bottom but can't get it to work. Can anyone help? http://www.sgi.com/tempie/box.html Janelle ClemensWeb Programmer, SGI[EMAIL PROTECTED](650) 933-9362

RE: [WSG] How do I vertical-align bottom

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Bennett
2 options spring to mind: (1) give the div margin-top to push it to the bottom. This way, even if the above content expands, the div *should* still appear at the bottom of the table cell (2) Rowspan the other two cells and split the third (containing the div) into two rows eg:

RE: [WSG] How do I vertical-align bottom

2005-10-05 Thread Janelle Clemens
Thanks Paul. I was hoping to find a solution without having to split the cell. But I might have to go that route. :-) Janelle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:51 PM To:

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Andy Kirkwood | Motive
Hi Mike, Seems that making user's aware of what 'zoom', 'single column', 'high/low contrast', 'low graphics' or any of the other alternatives is another issue like that of educating new users about browser 'Text size' options. From personal experience, when first stumbling upon issues of

Re: [WSG] Use of asterisk in ALT

2005-10-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I recently stumbled across a site (sorry lost the reference now) that made reference to the fact that an asterisk should be used inside an ALT attribute (eg alt=*) when the image is only used for presentation purposes. Apparantly this is helpful for screen readers.

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Terrence Wood
Andy Kirkwood|Motive said: Perhaps an icon that indication of a single column (maybe with an obviously enlarged 'T')? Might I suggest a magnifying glass over the 'T', or a '+' as an icon? kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Use of asterisk in ALT

2005-10-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Thank you for the update and link Patrick, that's good to know. It's an outdated piece of advice. Old screen readers did not cope with empty alts, so alt=* was suggested as a viable default: screen readers apparently didn't read that out on normal settings. However, nowadays the suggested

Re: [WSG] Zoom Layouts

2005-10-05 Thread Andy Kirkwood | Motive
That's what makes selecting a suitable representation difficult. With a 'T' and magnifying-glass icon, would the user expect to have their layout transformed from 2 or 3 columns to a single column or a high/low contrast layout? Perhaps the type size, layout and contrast options should be

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-05 Thread Alan Trick
James Bennett wrote: On 10/3/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most Linux systems have neither Verdana nor Arial installed, at least not by default. True, but these days nearly every Linux distribution ships the free Bitstream Vera font set, which includes a sans-serif with metrics

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-05 Thread Alan Trick
Because it's an ugly bastard of Helvetica? I'm no typographist but my sister absolutely hates that font. However, Windows donsn't really have any nice looking fonts anyways. T. R. Valentine wrote: On 04/10/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO arial isn't so hot for the web