[WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

2006-02-10 Thread Roberto Santana
Hello! I've an extrange problem, you can see it here: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/problem.gif The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html Page code source:

Re: [WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

2006-02-10 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html ... Why there's a margin with any browser excepts IE6? Because the default alignment for images in most of the other browsers is baseline. Add the following to your CSS and see if it fixes the problem:

Re: [WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

2006-02-10 Thread Roberto Santana
Thanks Bert! that solved my problem. Bert Doorn escribi: G'day The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html ... Why there's a margin with any browser excepts IE6? Because the default alignment for images in most of the other

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Ian Anderson
Absalom Media wrote: Amount of Javascript disabled based on various client profiles I've got: My site: Less than 0.1% Commercial music site: Less than 0.5% Commercial / education health care site: Less than 0.7% What methodology are you using to identify humans as opposed to search engines

RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread kvnmcwebn
What methodology are you using to identify humans as opposed to search engines and other robots? -sorry this doesnt awnser your question and maybe this its not worth mentioning- Even hotmail.com doesnt work if javascript is disabled. That says something i think. Of course there is the search

[WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Vaska
Second day and I keep coming back to the same problem...IE6/7 keeps placing a hortizontal scrollbar on this template. IE5, however, does not. http://client.vaska.com/escaut/index5.php There are a number of other issues here (like the height of a div being created by javascript) that I'll

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Ian Anderson
Thierry Koblentz wrote: height:1% or height:0 or whatever height you set gives layout to an element, which is not the case with display:inline. Making sure an element hasLayout is a big tool in the box when it comes to fix IE bugs. Just FYI, over on CSS-D there was a thread today about a web

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Robbie Shepherd
I'm guessing its due to the overflow: auto; in your #content div. Remove that, and use the DOM and some _javascript_ to reset your footers (tutorial on http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/ ) On 2/10/06, Vaska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second day and I keep coming back to the same

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Bert Doorn
Ian Anderson wrote: IE7 will respect height: 1%, which if not filtered away from it could break many layouts. They are retaining hasLayout as an internal property and recommend using zoom: 100% for inducing hasLayout as a replacement technique for height: 1%. Which W3C

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Vaska
This article does not create a footer that is fixed to the bottom of the screen. If your content is longer it will push the footer off the bottom of the screen. On 10 Feb 2006, at 11:33, Robbie Shepherd wrote: I'm guessing its due to the overflow: auto; in your #content div. Remove that,

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Robbie Shepherd
ah yes youre right, I see what you're trying to do now...(though heaven knows why! :P I'm sure you have your reasons though :) sorry I threw you a red herring thereOn 2/10/06, Vaska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article does not create a footer that is fixed to the bottom ofthe screen. If your

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Bert Doorn wrote: Which W3C standard/recommendation for CSS defines the zoom property? I don't see it in the CSS 2.1 spec. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/propidx.html Look in MS special non-standard instead. If indeed it's not defined in any CSS standard/recommendation, are MS effectively

[WSG] Vertical align

2006-02-10 Thread Roberto Santana
Hello! I want to create an horizontal bar with some elements on it, some text, a text box for searches, and date time, just below the top part of the page. What's the best way to create a vertical-center content with XHTML 1.0 Strict and CSS2? Thanks!

Re: [WSG] Vertical align

2006-02-10 Thread Nuno Gaspar
2006/2/10, Roberto Santana [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! I want to create an horizontal bar with some elements on it, some text, a text box for searches, and date time, just below the top part of the page. What's the best way to create a vertical-center content with XHTML 1.0 Strict and

Re: [WSG] Vertical align

2006-02-10 Thread Bert Doorn
Roberto Santana wrote: I want to create an horizontal bar with some elements on it, some text, a text box for searches, and date time, just below the top part of the page. What's the best way to create a vertical-center content with XHTML 1.0 Strict and CSS2? Don't know about best, but...

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Al Sparber
From: Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which W3C standard/recommendation for CSS defines the zoom property? I don't see it in the CSS 2.1 spec. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/propidx.html If indeed it's not defined in any CSS standard/recommendation, are MS effectively saying: We recommend you

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Rob Mientjes
On 09/02/06, Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I believe accessibility is an important design issue, is there legal precedent for suing someone for poor design? It seems a bit like suing Mickey Dees for spilling hot coffee in the lap... Yes, but spilling hot coffee in the

RE: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave

2006-02-10 Thread GALLAGHER Kevin S
I wholeheartedly agree with these incorrect/correct replies for a forum such as this one. About two or three years ago while reading a newsgroup post for Borland Delphi someone posted suggested rules for posting on any forum or newsgroup which was excellent, in the same vein as these by Russ...of

RE: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave

2006-02-10 Thread John Foliot - WATS.ca
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Unfortunately, top posting (or failing to quote at all) is often the result users of broken e-mail clients (usually Outlook or some web based mail). I find the best approach is to just set a good example, and hope that others eventually get the idea and/or switch mail

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Rob Mientjes wrote: On 09/02/06, Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I believe accessibility is an important design issue, is there legal precedent for suing someone for poor design? It seems a bit like suing Mickey Dees for spilling hot

Re: [WSG] Vertical align

2006-02-10 Thread Roberto Santana
I want to create an horizontal bar with some elements on it, some text, a text box for searches, and date time, just below the top part of the page. I've used this example: http://www.wellstyled.com/css-single-line-vertical-centering.html Thanks Nuno and Bert!

RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
Conyers, Dwayne, Mr While I believe accessibility is an important design issue, is there legal precedent for suing someone for poor design? Does the Ramada/Priceline debacle count? http://news.com.com/Travel+sites+agree+to+changes+for+the+blind/2100-1038_3-5318568.html P

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Vincent Hasselgård
Sorry to break this to you, but you're trying to accomplish something that's as good as impossible (maybe not impossible, but you're most likely to unless you drop IE5 or alternatively give it another stylesheet that don't have a fixed footer. It just won't work for IE5 because of something or

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Vaska
haha...after two days and coming back to the same problem four times...i got the message! thanks for th enote though... ;) On 10 Feb 2006, at 17:43, Vincent Hasselgård wrote: Sorry to break this to you, but you're trying to accomplish something that's as good as impossible (maybe not

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stephen Stagg wrote: And how, pray tell, would a screen reader know - based on a series of presentational rules - what the meaning of a made-up tag soup is? The same way that they would with normal HTML, by reading the XML, and the stylesheet and guessing, if an element has the

Re: [WSG] Fluid column and a float

2006-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: http://mcdowell.sitesbyjoe.com/agents.asp Trouble is if I stick a floated element in the center column and then try to clear it with another element, the element with the style of clear clears the whole left column instead of just the floated element within the

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 have horizontal scrollbars on this

2006-02-10 Thread Joshua Street
http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick was one I remember from ages ago, but there's now a message there pointing to a revised version: http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/footerStickAlt/ Not certain this is the behaviour you want, but it's pretty nifty nonetheless. On 2/11/06,

[WSG] ServerSide Includes and Divs

2006-02-10 Thread Helmut Granda
I discovered something weird today. When I was creating my layout that contains includes for some reason my rules would not work properly only if the layout was like this. -- code starts Main Layout div id=header Include header.php; /div div id=content Include content.php;

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-10 Thread Terrence Wood
My sincerist apologies to Thierry, his interpretation of Nielsen was indeed correct. And thanks, I have certainly learnt something With reference to the articles Thierry cited earlier Jakob Nielsen responded to my request for clarification as follows: Does this imply that links to

RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
Nic, Whoops! I missed that subtle distinction between the ADA and the Rehab Act. It's been a rough week. Slap me with a blink tag. In any case, I really would like to see a Section 508 (or ADA) case here in the States brought against a private company. The law itself needs a court challenge

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Vincent Hasselgård
Does this mean we're supposed to make all the sites we've ever made useless in IE5 and IE6?Maybe it's time we just give up on Internet Explorer and design for standards compliant browsers instead?The sad thing is that of course everyone who's using Explorer will blame the designer of the site and

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Laura
In the store itself they wouldn't see any better but would still pick out shirts, pants, etc. It is the alt tags that make the difference for their software to read a site. Without the alt tags the software doesn't tell them if it's a shirt or a wheelbarrow. LauraOn 2/9/06, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 10 Feb 2006, at 19:14, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Stephen Stagg wrote: And how, pray tell, would a screen reader know - based on a series of presentational rules - what the meaning of a made-up tag soup is? The same way that they would with normal HTML, by reading the XML, and the

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Vincent Hasselgård wrote: Does this mean we're supposed to make all the sites we've ever made useless in IE5 and IE6? No need to dump earlier versions. IE7 has some bug-fixes and somewhat better selector-support. Apart from that it's just an IE6 which is slightly harder to make behave like a

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Mark Harris
Dennis Lapcewich wrote: In any case, I really would like to see a Section 508 (or ADA) case here in the States brought against a private company. According to http://www.phillipsnizer.com/internetlib.htm, there has been a Court challenge under the ADA and the private company won: Access

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-10 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/10/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent Hasselgård wrote: The sad thing is that of course everyone who's using Explorer will blame the designer of the site and our clients will rip the hair out of their heads because most people use IE anyway. Don't panic... Sit down

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stephen Stagg wrote: Screen readers look at the structure of the document, which is clearly defined as it's standardised in the HTML specification. And they PRESENT it to someone with visual impairment, The presentational properties should be set in the presentational layer So by your

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: generic XML + CSS would be meaningless without some third technology that defines semantics (a DTD, XBL, etc) Neither a DTD nor XBL define document semantics at all. A DTD only defines the document syntax and structure. XBL is only a binding language for attaching