Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?

Neerav schrieb: Theoretical example 1: we used to design for 5.x browsers but recently stopped doing so without charging clients an extra XX% That is what we do now. I add an import filter (and document it) so that IE 4.0-5.0/Win and IE4.0-5.x/Mac and NN 4.x ignore imported styles:

Re: [WSG] Liquid layout with fixed width elements

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've done some research on this and can't quite come up with a viable solution. What I have is this: a header, main content, side content 1, side content 2, and footer. The side contents are fixed with. The header, main, and footer are liquid. This is the way the

Re: [WSG] Quick h1,h2 etc question

Jamie Mason wrote: Hi, I'm sure this has been asked time and time again and is probably a daft question, but which is the proper way to use header tags? Thanks in advance for your patience and help! Depends on what you want to optimize. Tonico

Re: [WSG] avoid Skip link in search results?

Kornel Lesinski wrote: I don't like putting Skip to main content or Skip to navigation link, because they can be seen in search results. I thought about replacing it with or something that won't contain keywords and won't go in the way in search results, but that probably is a killer for screen

Re: [WSG] xforms

of ColdFusion will be using XForms as a version of CFFORM / Don't know about CF. but to tie it back to standards, what versions of older browsers support XForms? None of the browsers I know has implemented XForms natively. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot

Re: [WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz

Avoid deprecated features of W3C technologies. [Priority 2] b and i are not deprecated :p http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1 Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] xforms

and CSS3. The DENG Project (scroll down) http://claus.packts.net/ Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] CSS editor

Jad Madi wrote: Greetings is there any free but good CSS style editor around ? What do you mean by free? There are a lot CSS editors: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssEditors My favorite is Vim. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check

Re: [WSG] CSS editor

purchased mine, I strongly recommend it for CSS editing. The free ones dont even come close. Close to what? I don't think I like ProductXYZ even if somebody donate me a copy. It's all a matter of personal choice. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de

Re: [WSG] about that new way to clear floats

. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

Re: [WSG] Good DOM tutorial?

://www.quirksmode.org/ Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Tables are dead?

-like behaviour with CSS if browsers doesn't support it. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] CSS calendar

for table markup, you'll need some advanced table styling skills: Tables for Tabular Data http://markl.f2o.org/tutorial/tables/Advanced_Tables.html Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

is in the specs. Strictly spoken, b is purely presentational and should not replace an apropriate semantic tag (e.g. a headline), OTOH span class=boldfoo/span is a lot of code compared to bbar/b. Both elements are semantically neutral. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org

Re: [WSG] XHTML considered useful

that open standards will be my friendly companions. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

[WSG] Next IE version coming soon?

of security fixes, and a pop-up-ad blocker. It will be included in Windows XP, Service Pack 2. For free. http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2004/05/04.html#a7387 Hm, will they make it more standards compliant as well? Will it work in older versions of Windows? Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http

Re: [WSG] Pre-Site Launch Input

that rely on normal browsers) Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] Pre-Site Launch Input

://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_11_skipping_over_navigation_links.html Bypassing navigation http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html#h3-1940 Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] Amaya ---- Piece Of Crap...

compliant and free XHTML editor. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

[WSG] Does Microsoft care about Webmasters?

From the brand new Microsoft forum: Does Microsoft care about Webmasters? http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=839 :)) Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? in Win IE6?

in standards mode. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] :hover and accessibility

://www.accessifyforum.com/ Web Accessibility Forum Mailing List http://www.webaim.org/discussion/ HTH Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

/#tech-divide-links Don't know if this is relevant for your audience. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

Chris Stratford wrote: I dont know what you mean by that? Sorry, I'll try to be more verbose the next time. I see Russ has already explained it very well. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] Image replacement

it needs to cover. Yes, be aware that users can change their font-size and have different font-families. Doesn't work in Konqueror, don't know if this is important for you. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http

Re: [WSG] tab navigation in CSS

. Tab navigation with nested lists http://www.webproducer.at/lab/nested-list-tabs See the comments in the source. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

case and the site is not too complex. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

Peter Firminger schrieb: Yes it's quite legal but it's semantically poor. This is what information architecture is all about. h1 global section (logo, slogan, navigation, search etc.) h1 actual content section h1 optional section one h1 optional section two That is the structure I would like to

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

James Ellis schrieb: Hi My thinking is that hN delineates headings of the same semantic weight (or groups content), be they styled by CSS like h4 class=failure/h4 or h4 class=success/h4 or not*: I agree. The difference being that h1 is the highest level of the headings in a document - there

Re: [WSG] Re: Accessibility: Accesskeys

, but I often forget to look at it first. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

[WSG] Accessibility: Accesskeys

I have collected some information about Accesskeys, thought I share. Accesskey standards http://www.clagnut.com/blog/193 Whats wrong with this picture? http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html#h4-3500 Improving accessibility with accesskey in HTML

Re: [WSG] A kinda Simplequiz

of the back-and-forth nature of a conversation. Mostly it is a matter of taste. Unfortunately p is not allowed inside dt :/ Zvon XHTML reference http://zvon.org/xxl/xhtmlReference/Output/Strict/el_dt.html Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de

Re: [WSG] Definition list wish

system/dd /dl ? My question for the group would be manyfold: Is this even a worthwhile idea? What would the process be for making such a change? Don't know. I think the W3c site has documentation about this. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de

[WSG] Nested list tab navigation (was: Semantic vs Accessibile markup)

://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/01/23/overused_lists.html Semantic structure http://www.webaim.org/techniques/structure/ Building Accessible Websites: 08. Navigation http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico

Re: [WSG] Lists weird br / requirement

markup for tabular data. See http://www.ferg.org/section508/accessible_tables.html for details. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

where the items are as wide as its content with CSS, if you want to respect the standard. Can this be true? No, it's possible if you don't use floats: http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/rounding-tabs/ Yes, if you want to support most browsers. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

-- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

://www.webproducer.at/lab/nested-ul-tabs It works fine, except in IE/Mac. I have posted the issue to css-d but haven't received any reply so far. I need to support IE/Mac, so what would you recommend me to do? Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

Hugh Todd wrote: Did you have a look at this one, posted by Manuel González Noriega? Yes, but I can't use it because it has 'display: inline' on lis and that would make it more difficult for me because I have rounded corners. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org

[WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

://www.simplebits.com/archives/2004/02/23/sqxii_conclusion.html Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

Manuel González Noriega wrote: El mié, 03-03-2004 a las 16:54, Tonico Strasser escribió: Version a) may look better from a semantic point of view, and version b) is probably better for textbrowsers, screenreaders etc? Version b) is also easier for styling with CSS IMO. I can see no problems

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

Manuel González Noriega wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? Call me a pervert but i get a kick from elegant html sources :D Ok, me too. Thanks to all for your replies. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo

Re: [WSG] Semantic vs Accessibile markup

Michael Zeltner wrote: Tonico Strasser wrote: Who benefits from more semantic /navigation/? Maybe a XSLT designer? the only benefits are: you have the data in it's natural form and semantic markup is automatically perfectly accessible (the only problem would be a stupid (sorry) ua like jaws

[WSG] [OT] Is MT bad?

An amusing article about blogging: Why your Movable Type blog must die http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/2/171117/8823 I hope this is not too offtopic. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] Floats of the Fluid and Fixed kind

element should get 100% height? A column relative to another column or the whole layout relative to the viewport? Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at

Re: [WSG] Floats of the Fluid and Fixed kind

Chris Blown schrieb: whole layout relative to the viewport? I guess what I was aiming for was; Sorry, I don't understand this :/ (still learning english) When the content area contains less content than the current users viewport, the content area will stretch to the fill out the vacant area,

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

russ weakley wrote: It is a debate raging around the web at present. There are other options that solve this problem: FWIW, a few weeks ago I created a layout with EMs as base unit. I've set min- and max-widths for better readability. http://www.webproducer.at/flexible-layout Tonico -- Tonico