On Tuesday 24 July 2007 23:49, Ryan Lin wrote:
Hi all,
With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via
target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe
that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision,
not wed
Steve,
The other aspect of XHTML Strict DTD, the client won't even know unless
I take my time to explain everything but this target stuff is something
they will notice if they ask me to open certain links in new window.
That's why I need arguments against this. :)
XHTML Strict and 1.1 has
, 2007 10:45 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
From: David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmm. What's easy to use when you wind up with a bunch of spawned
windows that must be closed one by one?
I'm not advocating popup windows, but with a simple script is
very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That has to be just about the nastiest version of all - I click a link
and get a new window. Fine, not what I wanted, but there was that other
link that looked interesting, I'll just go back to the first window and
open a few more links before I read that page. Hey!
frames for simplicity, ease of navigation ?! for u i think!!
u cant just think that's right just because u do it's easy for u...
On 25/07/07, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That has to be just about the nastiest version of all - I click a link
and get a new
I'm not sure who wrote the below, but I'm hoping it was a sarcastic comment and
not someone's real impression of real users. I've never met a user who even
liked frames, and that includes me.
Also, perhaps I missed a thread, but I've wondering if the increasing use of
tabs has overcome any new
hey steve,
without going into pros and cons on the target attribute, roger
johansson has an interesting article on the subject with a javascript
solution the degrades to opening in the same window if java is turned
off or pop ups blocked. some clients want what they want and won't be
Hi all,
With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via
target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe
that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision,
not wed designer/developer. If I am using Strict DTD, the only way to
So what argument should I give to my clients not to use
target=_blank ? If I say that won't validate your page, they won't
care. So any non-technical argument that I can give to them?
Ryan
The best non-technical argument I can think of is that this approach
breaks the back button. Jakob
Ryan Lin wrote:
With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via
target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe
that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision,
not wed designer/developer.
Why? If you have logical
Well,
I am just gathering more argument points so that the clients have
nothing to say but to agree and accept the concept. :)
Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Ryan Lin wrote:
With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link
via target=_blank is not a valid semantic method
of. Or to provide some preference control
widget.
My two cents.
Cheers.
Mike Cherim
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
Well,
I am just gathering more argument points so
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Lin
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:21 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
Well,
I am just gathering more argument points so that the clients
have nothing to say but to agree
Personally I prefer links to open in the same Window. But that's me. And I
don't want to force my preference on anyone. That's why it's nicer to leave
it to the user to decide. The only way to let users decide is to open links
in the same window by default and teach said users a function of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry but I don't agree...to a point. As a web designer and user myself, I
prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I am
referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other
website and forget to come back to mine.
I agree with you completely, but we are definitely in the minority here.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:19 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I
am referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru
the other website and forget to come back to mine. Mine will always be
open in the background to remind them (kind of like I'm
On Jul 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website
and forget to come back to mine.
If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every store you
entered assigned a staff member to accompany you so you don't forget
to
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:19:21 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I prefer links to open in the same Window. But that's me. And I
don't want
to force my preference on anyone. That's why it's nicer to leave it to the
user to
decide. The only way to let users decide is to open
That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine. Further, it's a misunderstanding of the dynamics of the relationship to speak of users visiting your site. On the contrary, the user is extending an invitation to your site to visit HER browser, on
Firstly I have no argument for you to give your customer.
Having a new window is not like having windows pop up automatically. If
there is a requirement for the content to be displayed in a new window
then why use a different doc type for that one page?
Now when I mention requirement' I
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Cc: Andrew Maben
Subject: Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
On Jul 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget
to come back to mine.
If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every
On Tue, July 24, 2007 6:19 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry but I don't agree...to a point. As a web designer and user myself, I
prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I am
referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the
other website and
I used to work for a web development company who designed a website for a
large homebuilder. At the bottom of the home page, we had a link to our
website, i.e. Site designed by ourCompany. We did not use
target=_blank. When our homebuilder customer clicked on our link and
found themselves in
Wow, that's very well said, especially your clarification of the
relationship dynamics between the website and the visitor.
Thanks,
Dave
Andrew Maben wrote:
If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every store you entered
assigned a staff member to accompany you so you don't forget to
From: David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmm. What's easy to use when you wind up with a bunch of spawned
windows that must be closed one by one?
I'm not advocating popup windows, but with a simple script is very easy to open
popup windows while reusing the same window. That is, maximum number
Andrew Maben schreef:
Further, it's a misunderstanding of the dynamics of the relationship
to speak of users visiting your site. On the contrary, the user is
extending an invitation to your site to visit HER browser, on HER
computer, in HER home or workplace, so you (we) are beholden to the
Unless im mistaken the original question was asking about some ideas to
sell strict DTD to the client (which means no target=blank code) and not
whether users/ designers prefer to have windows open in seperate
windows.
That discussion was last week, so discuss in that.
about the original
Ryan Lin wrote:
With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via
target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe
that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision,
not wed designer/developer. If I am using Strict DTD, the only
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