Thanks for your responses...
Why use more than one H1? Simple...2 areas of the page that are of
equal importance.
Why should it only be one? I understand the simplicity of focusing on
one area of each page and the impact that could have in search
resultsbut that that doesn't entirely
Speaking as both publications, graphic and web designer, the real problem has always been that the title resides in the head, not in a title tag inside the body.H1 is reserved for the title of the page.In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level
I attempted this very topic before in a blog post:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/Hope
it makes sense.
Thanks,
Jason
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM, c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote:
If semantics and SEO are paramount, and typography is too, could you make an
H2 which is the same size etc for the 'other' uses of H1? That way, your
structure/appearance would be intact, and the SEO considerations satisfied??
Is that undesirable for any reason?
Bob
- Original Message
While I agree that you can have several areas of equal importance on a
page. I still beg to differ that you would want to saturate the
effectiveness of a h1 tag by using it by wrapping it around the logo. It
seems to me to be a little like the infamous can you make my logo a
little bigger that
2009/10/16 Adam Martin ajmartin...@gmail.com:
Again the logo is usually only the most important thing to the owner - not
the customer - the customer will recognise if they are on the right site or
not.
I believe it”s appropriate to represent the logo as a h1 on a site’s
home page, unless you
Ollie you are threading a dangerous ground there. Explained here why you are
wrong:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
Thanks,
Jason
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Oliver Boermans
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld
m...@langfeldesigns.comwrote:
...
H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's
only one title, while there may be many first level headings.
...
So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or
Tim,
Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must.
However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give
it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices
as well as general semantics and IA best practices.
So the spec does not tell you to use
The issue with having more then 1 H! tag is not the validity of the page as
XHTML or HTML5 or any other specification, its not even affecting WCAG1/2.
the only case that is affected is the search engines relationship with H1
that entitled it as the Content's Title. it is not mandatory that it will
I am not sure that a page with multiple important subject does not exist. so
IA wise and semantic wise this is not a must. google wise it is.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote:
Tim,
Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must.
However, Google
Yuval,
Everything exists on the Internet, but it doesn't mean it's good.
So pages with multiple subject do exist, they are just known as 'bad pages'
from IA perspective. ;-)
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Yuval Ararat yara...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure that a page with multiple important
Hey all,
Am I the only one who is getting these messages directly sent to their deleted
items? Please can you take the out of office bit out of the subject lines? I
am sure there are others like me who have filters set up to automatically
delete out of office messages.
It's also a bit ironic
I'm sorry but i'm going to put my 2 pence worth in. The site I build use a
H1 for the logo, then a h1 for a title further down the page, using the h1,
h2, h3, etc structure and Google seems to love those site the latest lauch
has h1, h2 and a h3 in the header and it's on page 1 already after being
OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VMfeature=channel(video from
March 2009)
Tim
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote:
Tim,
Well done for reading the
Tim
To keep it really simple:
Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1
per page
Hope this makes sense?
Thanks,
Jason
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White tjameswh...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central:
Jason,
Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google.
The video
EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that
you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given
page. Every
site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on
first page of Google.
My formula, hence, does not only say
Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be
shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be
the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more
the 1 H1.
For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks
Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo is
present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's brand
name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that.
I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around
The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the
fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented
in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to
look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool
That's only relevant if your site has a keyword in the logo (e.g. Free
Online Games), where each of the words is a form of a keyword, while if your
site is called MiniClip, there is not much point in wrapping H1 around it.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, EBS Admin
No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for Business.
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:00
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
That's only
Seems to me that Providers of Miniature Clips for Business is more of a tag
line and not really appropriate to put in an h1 heading.
--
Brett P.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:10, EBS Admin
ad...@essentialebizsolutions.netwrote:
No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for
To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters
in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout the
website, they should always be unique. Anyone advising to do this to boost
your page's keyword relevancy simply doesn't know what they are talking
Hello everyone,
There are many cases that you should repeat h1 or others headers.
I do many homepages or homepages of areas, and i don't know were i
should or not use the h1.
I don't use in page title because is not relevant. The correct use
should be on the titles of modules that i use, such as
Gaspar wrote:
This problem will be solved, I hope, with the use of section and
header in HTML5.
Indeed, in HTML5 the meaning of h1-6 is 'headings for the sections with
which they are associated' - multiple h1 elements in a page is not a
problem:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/h1.html
A
Hi Darren,
Maybe if you read what I wrote properly you would see that the
H1 surrounding the logo has different key words in it depending on the page.
I use text h1Site name - keywords/h1 as my logo and style it with CSS
and therefore each one is unique, semantic and great for SEO
EBS Admin, from what I read it looked like it was a motto, not some
keywords.
--
Brett P.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:29, EBS Admin
ad...@essentialebizsolutions.netwrote:
Hi Darren,
Maybe if you read what I wrote properly you would see that the
H1 surrounding the logo has
2009/10/16 Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com:
Ollie you are threading a dangerous ground there.
Explained here why you are
wrong: http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
Good link for this thread Jason. Although I don’t understand why the
company name would be
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