Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

mark said: >>For example I feel that CSS based design takes less time and as such should cost less that a design that has font tags & hidden graphics everywhere.(etc etc) Mark... my accountant would have you marched straight to the nearest wall and shot for saying that. Why on earth should we bo

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system.

On 01/06/2004, at 2:22 PM, Ned Lukies wrote: Has anyone come up with some solutions for helping the client maintain their own content while still retaining standards compliance? a) Macromedia Contribute could work out fine for small stuff, and is really the only GUI option I'd consider -- everyth

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system.

Ned, I'm about to sign a contract on Wednesday and the client wants a CMS. I've been looking into "Contribute" by Macromedia, and it maintains that designers can "Lock down site design, code, and permissions to protect your website." Although my review has just begun, my initial findings is compa

RE: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system.

I'm in the same situation only one step further forward. I'm considering either using the XHTML compliant Editor that is available although it looks a little unpredictable or changing my Content management system to allow the user to build up pages from components. Ie: they will select a component

RE: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system. (MOVED TO THE APPROPRIATE LIST)

We have a CMS list for this subject. Please (subscribe if you're not already on it and) move it over there for any further discussion. For details, see: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource131.cfm Regards, Peter * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system.

Ned, Have you tried Macromedia's Contribute? Good for static pages, with a web browser metaphor. -Hugh Todd Has anyone come up with some solutions for helping the client maintain their own content while still retaining standards compliance? * T

[WSG] Standards compliant content management system.

A problem that has popped up for me a number of times now is what to do when a client wants to be able to manage the content on the web site themselves. For years I resisted using a system that required javascript or any particular software, and it has worked well, where the content to be updat

[WSG] Ten questions for Simon Willison

Simon Willison is a seasoned Web developer from the UK, currently working in Lawrence, Kansas. By day, he develops web applications, specialising in both client- and server-side development, for the Lawrence Journal-World . By night, he writes about web standards and technologies on his web develop

RE: [WSG] position:absolute problem

Peter, After a quick look at the css of your problem, I came up with the following that works how you want it to in both IE and Mozilla. I applied a float to the .main container, and also width:auto. You don't actually need the width:auto there, but it is good practice to have a width for every f

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

Hey Guys This is a service industry, provide cost based on how much the will cost you to do (i.e. long the work takes you to do). Implementing standards may save you time or add extra development time. For example I feel that CSS based design takes less time and as such should cost less that a de

[WSG] position:absolute problem

hiya, this is hopefully a simple little problem - but my brain is refusing to work today :)   on this test page... http://c41.com.au/test/position_test.html (yep, validated) ...is the example of the problem (i've stripped out all the extra html/css to make it easier for you to peruse)   I

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

On 01/06/2004, at 11:46 AM, Neerav wrote: So has any member of the WSG done that, justifying charging $X more than eg: "the design agency down the road which makes webpages by putting sliced photoshop images into tables" by saying something along the lines of "I design to Web Standards and can

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

www.MACCAWS.org Thats a good reason to produce standards compliant websites. I recently had one job which the coding was easy, the actual complexity of the detail which was so high it was just a to big a job for me to do :( But the person who offered me the job, saw my site and emailed me. What w

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

www.MACCAWS.org Thats a good reason to produce standards compliant websites. I recently had one job which the coding was easy, the actual complexity of the detail which was so high it was just a to big a job for me to do :( But the person who offered me the job, saw my site and emailed me. What w

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

Our web agency has been promoting the versatility of sites built to web standards instead of the "our sites validate" or the "you could be threatened with legal action one day" argument. Telling clients that their site will reach a larger audience, be forward compatible, or can be viewed better on

[WSG] Bye folks

It seems every thread I contribute to gets closed!! ;) Seriously, I suppose I find myself more interested in design threads rather than coding ones, and that's not quite in accord with the purposes of this list, so I think I'll unsubscribe for a while. I'd like to take up this bit of bandwidth tho

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

Hello, Well I have. I'm still a high school student and therefore have no real qualifications other than experience. However people have seen my work and still come to me for design jobs. I charge less (again due to qualifications) but one of the main reasons people still contact me for design

Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback

quite good in terms of speedy loading http://www.websiteoptimization.com/cgi-bin/wso/wso.pl?url=http%3A//www.jet.org.au/phpFiles/index.php However the CSS http://www.jet.org.au/css/JET.css could be optimised a lot eg: background-color:#fff; background-image:url(../images/orange_left.gif); backgroun

Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback

On 01/06/2004, at 11:26 AM, Andreas Boehmer wrote: I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique.

[WSG] Should web standards cost more?

Hi The slightly OT thread [WSG] Budget Design, made me think of an idea which is very relevent to all members of WSG .. My premise is that any sensible business person should try to differentiate from competitors by showing they have skills that no one else has, vast experience etc and justify

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same industry. The legal term here is price fixing, and it is taken very seriously, regardless of the intent of the discussion or the context within which the discuss

RE: [WSG] Budget Design CLOSED NOW THANKS

I've let this ramble on a bit as a) it seemed interesting to a number of you and b) it is a slow day on the list however now it is going right off target and I think we should finish the discussion. Thanks, ListDad > This is having less and less to do with web standards. **

Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

On 5/31/04 6:19 PM "Kay Smoljak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: >> That's known as price-fixing here in the US and that is illegal. > > That's not true. Discussing going rates in various countries is not > price-fixing. A group of people agreeing to only charge a certain rate is > price-fixin

[WSG] accessibility feedback

Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are still working on improving it, but

RE: [WSG] OT: need help from a mac user please

Mike No email address in your post and neither of my browsers (IE 5.23 on Mac or Firefox 0.8 on Win2k) render the AFP Webworks page fully (might be our firewall and the java applet). So having to reply here. With OsX 10.2.8 and IE 5.23 I do not have any problem accessing http://nqpropertyrev

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

> That's known as price-fixing here in the US and that is illegal. That's not true. Discussing going rates in various countries is not price-fixing. A group of people agreeing to only charge a certain rate is price-fixing. This is having less and less to do with web standards. -- Kay Smoljak Seni

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

This is true Mic When I started my business, I would quote for as little as AU$ 500 for a 5 page website and still the customers would crib and they would want it to be done for $300. Warm Regards, Sameer S. Kekade. QUATRO FOUR RETAIL "The right connections for your business" Tel. direct +61 2

Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

On 5/31/04 5:02 PM "Universal Head" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > Sorry Mike, I don't agree. I do work for clients in Australia, Canada, the US > and the UK, so it is very relevant for me to learn about going rates in other > countries among my peers. That's known as price-fixing here in t

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

Well appropriate or not for this list, it's been of immense interest for me. When you're a one-man business, the only way you ever find out your price is wrong is if you price too high and start losing business. I've got every bid I've gone for lately and have been puzzling over whether that's

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

> and this is why discussions about prices are usually taboo. > Not so much the giving away of trade secrets, but that > they're of *very* limited value to most everyone on a mailing > list such as this. > Thanks Mike. Agreed. Very difficult to compare Apples with apples between different de

Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

Sorry Mike, I don't agree. I do work for clients in Australia, Canada, the US and the UK, so it is very relevant for me to learn about going rates in other countries among my peers. And I personally think that undercharging when you desperately need the work is doing yourself (and the industry) a

Re[2]: [WSG] Budget Design

>> At this present time, for our team a small budget website consists of a >> 5 to 10 "page" (for want of a better word) XHTML/CSS site with CMS and >> can cost the client anywhere from AU$3.5K to AU$5.5K depending on >> customisation. Justin> I'm also in AU, and this appears to be a fair *market*

Re: [WSG] Budget Design

That's about right for me too. Peter On 01/06/2004, at 9:13 AM, Justin French wrote: On 01/06/2004, at 8:55 AM, Luke Moulton wrote: At this present time, for our team a small budget website consists of a 5 to 10 "page" (for want of a better word) XHTML/CSS site with CMS and can cost the client

Re: [WSG] Budget Design

On 01/06/2004, at 8:55 AM, Luke Moulton wrote: At this present time, for our team a small budget website consists of a 5 to 10 "page" (for want of a better word) XHTML/CSS site with CMS and can cost the client anywhere from AU$3.5K to AU$5.5K depending on customisation. I'm also in AU, and this app

[WSG] Budget Design

Forgive me if this is a little off scope for this list, but having read the recent publication from Didier Hilhorst and Daniel Rubin of Sinelogic, Budget Design: Increase Profit by Improving Process (http://sinelogic.com/), I was wondering what other freelancers and small web development teams clas

[WSG] OT: need help from a mac user please

This is off topic so please respond off-list, but I need some help from Mac users – I have a client who sees an error that I can’t produce.   When I go to http://nqpropertyreview.com and click enter, I am presented with a login screen, which is what’s required.  So are all of the 50 peop

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a style sheet I am using for the web media="screen" and I also have one for print purposes media="print". I also want to hide the CSS from older browsers such as NS 4.0 etc. using the @import feature if possible. It would help if you supplied either a URL or a code

Re: [WSG] Selector naming conventions

That's the one good thing about beginning anything from scratch: no conventions. You're left to your own devices until something that makes sense begins to take root. Well... This is all fine and good until someone on the other side of the planet reads your code and finds a plethora of undefinab

Re: [WSG] IE Max-width Emulation and Auto Centre

On 31 maj 2004, at 20.39, Mike Pepper wrote: One other issue: I'd like to maintain these product icons and associated text http://www.english-sofas.co.uk/els_new/ contemporary_leather_sofas_1.htm as auto-centre but I'm holding each model as a constrained image and text within a single href.

[WSG] third style sheet needed?

I have a style sheet I am using for the web media="screen" and I also have one for print purposes media="print". I also want to hide the CSS from older browsers such as NS 4.0 etc. using the @import feature if possible. When I do the @import feature the page defaults to my print style sheet fo

RE: [WSG] IE Max-width Emulation and Auto Centre

>I've built the site to sit in 640 and 800 elastic windows and have ... Not elastic at all; fluid -- like my head after a day of it :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: 31 May 2004 19:40 To: WSG Subject: [WSG] IE Max-width Em

[WSG] IE Max-width Emulation and Auto Centre

Hi guys, New layout for http://www.english-sofas.co.uk/els_new/index.htm. however, I am facing a challenge: max-width. I've built the site to sit in 640 and 800 elastic windows and have constrained the width -- fine in Gecko but Bodge City in IE. I've used conditional expressions in CSS to emulat

Re: [WSG] when to place as a background in CSS

> but other images which are basically decoration, I have placed > within the CSS tags as background images. Is this o.k > to do as long as the images don't have any specific meaning to > the content? I say yes! I do the same thing to prevent older browsers from showing images that are purely pre

Re: [WSG] Naughty Form!

On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 23:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The problem is that in IE 6, some form elements appear to be inheriting the > content div's left margin value. The problem ceases if I don't organise the > form in fieldsets - but I want fieldsets! > I fought something similar for an ho

Re: [WSG] quotes on q tag

On 31 maj 2004, at 08.34, Lea de Groot wrote: How are people handling putting quotes on q tags? I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had quotes built in, IE did not. Is there a definitive approach? I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting q { qu

Re: [WSG] quotes on q tag

Lindsay Evans wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are people handling putting quotes on q tags? I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had quotes built in, IE did not. Is there a definitive approach? I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting q {

Re: [WSG] Selector naming conventions

On Mon, 31 May 2004 13:01:49 +1000, Trevor Finch wrote: > Is there a naming convention for CSS Selectors ? (as in other languages) Well, I was going to answer "no", and expand that with "there isn't" But I immediately found this article: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/whats_in_a_name.

Re: [WSG] Selector naming conventions

Trevor For starters see this post and resulting discussion from Andy Clarke http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/whats_in_a_name.html dez Trevor Finch wrote: Is there a naming convention for CSS Selectors ? (as in other languages) I mean something like... #position-menu, #position-moreinfo, #

Re: [WSG] Correct way to swap style sheets based on Browser?

On 31 maj 2004, at 06.17, Justin French wrote: Then we @import an advanced style sheet over the top for modern browsers. IE4 and NN4 won't see this style sheet, because they don't support the @import function. @import url("css/modern.css"); IE4 actually does support @import, and will load th

Re: [WSG] quotes on q tag

> pull-quote Thanks guys! warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine Optimisation Brisbane, Australia * The discussion lis

RE: [WSG] quotes on q tag

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How are people handling putting quotes on q tags? > I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had > quotes built in, IE did not. Is there a definitive approach? > I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting > q { > quotes: no