Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails

2005-01-04 Thread BonusOntwerp
The hardcoded height and width for the images is meant as an example. Because the thumbnails are generated from a database (in a next level). So the images have to fit inside a square of 36x36 pixels. The images are always scaled to 36px width or 36px height. But the problem is, I can't find a

[WSG] Sorry looking Guestbook :o(

2005-01-04 Thread Bennie Shepherd
Would any of you have and idea as to why my guestbook is so narrow and screwed up in IE 6 and Opera? It's using the same html and css as the rest of the site. Looks fine in FF 1. http://bennieshepherd.com/orangeguestbook/powerbook.cgi -- Get Firefox Browser

Re: [WSG] Off-topic - Earthquake/Tsunami help

2005-01-04 Thread Andy Budd
If you have a blog, why not join BlogAid and offer to donate your site earnings for January to the aid agency of your choice. http://www.blogaid.org.uk/ Andy Budd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] comment to Creative Commons RDF in comment

2005-01-04 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Creative Commons gives a bit of XML to paste into your page ...but XML is inside HTML comment. Don't you think it's rather pointless? XML parsers won't pick it up, so if you want to get license info, you have to threat whole file like a tag soup anyway. Do you know tools that read this rdf

Re: [WSG] comment to Creative Commons RDF in comment

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
(copying this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kornel Lesinski wrote: Creative Commons gives a bit of XML to paste into your page ...but XML is inside HTML comment. Don't you think it's rather pointless? XML parsers won't pick it up, so if you want to get license info, you have to threat whole file like a

[WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Collin Davis
Hey everybody, I just asked for some advice on css-d, regarding gallery pages, very similar to www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php - the same pages I asked for help on with cleaner, more semantic code on this list not too long ago. The advice I received from several people, and

Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Chris Moncus
(X)HTML is so dualistic sometimes. Meaning that there are so many ways that work fine but yet they are still not correct. In your case, the extremes argue no tables, period vs tables within tables within tables. The same extreme views apply to lists as well. The best use of (X)HTML is to

RE: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Collin Davis
Jan Brasna wrote: Well, although definition lists are IMHO OK, I use just anonymous elements (+ headings, paragraphs etc.) - http://wellstyled.com/css-photo-cards.html or http://murphy.cz/hofy/galerie-plavacek.htm Jan, I see how the technique on the two pages you linked to works, and I like

Re: [WSG] Need help with the list style

2005-01-04 Thread David R
Ted Drake wrote: I didn't see it on another computer, but it keeps showing up on my screen. I've hit shift-refresh. Perhaps it is just a bug on my box. Is there a better way to refresh the css cache on IE? Thanks Te IE and Firefox's complete reload shortcut key combo is Ctrl + F5 AFAIK/IIRC, It

RE: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Collin Davis
Chris, Thanks for your response. It's funny - before I went to using unordered lists for this, I had been using ALA's recommendation. However I wasn't very happy with it semantically. Ted Drake made this distinction: With the current div setup, you have information but there is no connection

Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds

2005-01-04 Thread David R
The Bo$$ wrote: If you can, you should try switching to a bigger resolution. It's much better, and you'll wonder how you ever survived using 800x600. My guess is that he tested it at 800x600 res, which makes perfect sense. And 800x600 resolution can be useful for detail work in Photoshop or

[WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread Tom Livingston
Hello all, Can anyone tell me if server-side includes - ColdFusion specifically - would adversely effect search engines/spiders at all? An SEO company we are trying is telling us that our CF includes will effect our SE rankings. TIA Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia

Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

2005-01-04 Thread Kim Kruse
You have some problems on PC/FF as well... The position:relative on the footer produces the horizontal scrollbar on my PC. Furthermore something is wrong with your style sheet... I don't get the footer bg img and the arrows, green side bar etc. BTW... what is this style doing? * { padding:0;

[WSG] Re: Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread Tom Livingston
My apologies for the _very OT_ topic. I got my lists mixed up... :-P If you happen to have any insight on this however, off-list replies are welcome. Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Jan 4, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Hello all, Can

Fwd: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Chris Moncus
On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Collin Davis wrote: I don't agree with either position - I think tables should be used when displaying tabular data, but definitely not overused as is the case when using tables for presentation. Sorry, I left out the sentence that I meant to say And neither of those

Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread JohnyB
The only thing I would bring up with regards to the markup is that I really don't see how those elements could be marked up as paragraphs. I definitely agree with you Collin. I just want to show this as an example how to structure it in a different way than by some types of lists. It is neither

RE: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread Collin Davis
Can anyone tell me if server-side includes - ColdFusion specifically - would adversely effect search engines/spiders at all? I can't see how - the includes are parsed by the server before the page is completely rendered to the UA, just as PHP. Any content or links in the includes would be fully

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread JohnyB
Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Martin
Collin Davis wrote: Tables wouldnt do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional.

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread David R
JohnyB wrote: Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology... One can easily establish that by looking at the HTTP response times, the file extension (if content negotiation, NSAPI/ISAPI filters, or

Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Michael Wilson
Collin Davis wrote: I just asked for some advice on css-d, regarding gallery pages, very similar to www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php http://www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php - the same pages I asked for help on with cleaner, more semantic code on this list not too long

[WSG] being framed!

2005-01-04 Thread designer
Hello all, I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. OK, throw your prejudices about frames to one side (I believe there are times when the advantages outweigh the disadvantages) as I've heard them many times and, at least for now, I want to

RE: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Collin Davis
Charles Martin wrote: Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional. In other words, can they be grouped in two dimensions. For example, a list of population grouped by cities AND age ranges would be two dimensional and would

RE: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Collin Davis
Jan Brasna wrote: (PS: I'm sorry for my English, I hope you can understand it...) Your English is far better than my Czech ;) Cheers, Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web

Re: [WSG] being framed!

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Eaton
This link should help. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html Look for inline frames: the IFRAME element. On Tuesday, January 4, 2005, at 01:53 PM, designer wrote: Hello all, I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread Tom Livingston
Why? Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Jan 4, 2005, at 3:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On search engines like Google there will be an adverse effect on optimization when using coldfusion. Remember Google is a Hypertextual Web Search Engine

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread Ben Curtis
On search engines like Google there will be an adverse effect on optimization when using coldfusion. Remember Google is a Hypertextual Web Search Engine http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html I was ignoring this thread as off-topic, but this brings up an on-topic point. ColdFusion

Re: [WSG] Gallery markup

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Martin
Paul Novitski wrote: At 11:34 AM 1/4/05, Charles Martin wrote: Tables wouldn't do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread David R
Collin Davis wrote: Google can, and others are going to be joining them soon. It's a simple matter of using the Flash Search Engine SDK - it includes an application called swf2html which dumps out text and links from .swf files and returns as html. When I put Flash in my documents, I am guilty of

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread David R
Ben Curtis wrote: In fact, I serve all my ColdFusion pages as .html because I migrated a static site to ColdFusion and it was easier to tell Apache to send .html file to ColdFusion than to change all the extensions and links. Wouldn't that cause a processing overhead if you ever wanted to serve

Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:14:25 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Curtis wrote: In fact, I serve all my ColdFusion pages as .html because I migrated a static site to ColdFusion and it was easier to tell Apache to send .html file to ColdFusion than to change all the extensions and

[WSG] semantic markup for song chart?

2005-01-04 Thread Wong Chin Shin
Hi, What do you people reckon should be the semantic markup for a song chart ala Billboard Top 40? Sample here: http://www.i-bands.net/charts.php (no, I don't own this site so I can't add a doctype etc etc) It's a list of songs, so ol is the gut reaction. But what about the information within

Re: [WSG] semantic markup for song chart?

2005-01-04 Thread Rob Mientjes
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 05:17:37 +0800, Wong Chin Shin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a list of songs, so ol is the gut reaction. But what about the information within each song listing? table within a li? Best for me is an ol with in that per song a dl. -- Cheers, Rob. ยป http://zooibaai.nl

Re: [WSG] being framed!

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
designer wrote: I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. This may be of interest http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/03/04/swf_seeking_vwm.html For the lazy ones, the conclusion: Assuming we must continue to use frames, and that the default

Re: [WSG] List decision tree [was: Gallery markup]

2005-01-04 Thread Ben Curtis
Tables wouldn't do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional. I agree with you,

[Fwd: Re: [WSG] comment to Creative Commons RDF in comment]

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mike Linksvayer wrote: Patrick H. Lauke wrote: link rel=meta type=application/rdf+xml title=Creative Commons License href=my_cc_license.rdf / You can do that, as suggested at http://creativecommons.org/technology/metadata/extend#link Wikipedia publishes CC-compatible metadata (for the GFDL) in

Re: [WSG] semantic markup for song chart?

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Wong Chin Shin wrote: What do you people reckon should be the semantic markup for a song chart ala Billboard Top 40? Table, without a doubt. Make sure it's properly marked up, too (with THEAD, proper THs, scope, TBODY) It's a list of songs, so ol is the gut reaction. But what about the

Re: [WSG] List decision tree [was: Gallery markup]

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Martin
Ben Curtis wrote: Re: decision tree. I'd love to help with this. My decision tree revolves around what relationships matter and have meaning. This is sort of what I go through: I think your questions go in exactly the direction I was thinking when I suggested the decision tree (which popped out

Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails

2005-01-04 Thread Richard Czeiger
Had the same problem with my holiday snaps :o) Check out http://www.grafx.com.au/dik/region.html?MuiNe-1-21 for an example of how it's done. Hope this helps :o) R - Original Message - From: BonusOntwerp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005

CLOSED Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs

2005-01-04 Thread James Ellis
Hi all. As Tom has suggested, no more on this subject on the list please. Thanks James -- admin On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:30:47 -0500, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Before the paddle is wielded, I remind that I did quickly post a reply to my initial post stating this was OT and

[WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread Shane Helm
Hello Group. Happy New Year! I have a site that just went live: http://www.willlange.com/. There are 5 pages that have external links that cause the page not to validate. These links are called into an iFrame to give search results for real estate product. In the past when I have had this

[WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread Mani Sheriar
Why have that info in an iframe? Why not just a div? (pardon my ignorance I dont know much about iframes) Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread JohnyB
= amp; -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Shane Helm wrote: I have a site that just went live: http://www.willlange.com/. There are 5 pages that have external links that cause the page not to validate. Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp;id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 -- Patrick H.

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread Shane Helm
= amp; -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com I tried amp; but it doesn't work for these external links to this particular external website. That's the whole issue. Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio www.sonze.com

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread Shane Helm
Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp; id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 -- Patrick H. Lauke Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work? That's the issue. When you change to amp; the link no longer works. I am very

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Shane Helm wrote: I tried amp; but it doesn't work for these external links to this particular external website. That's the whole issue. It *does* work. A browser translates the amp; into an when making the request, there's nothing involving the particular external site that would come into

Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

2005-01-04 Thread JohnyB
Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp; id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work? It works fine... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

[WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Steven Clark
I've been reading my digests after a small holiday and I came across this link posted a few days ago for moronic designers to be sent. Is this really a good idea? http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html I mean I'm pro web standards etc and in all honestly I'd read the first bit

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Natalie Buxton
Steven, I agree with you. The message about web standards is important, but pages like the one linked to only serves to aggravate and insult. Companies or individuals responsible for managing sites that are poorly constructed do not need to be treated in this manner. A more friendly, educational

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Martin
Steven Clark wrote: I only mention it because it was posted with next to no comment and its really an important issue. It's quite possible that I either missed the email, deleted it, or it was sent before I registered with this list. I had wondered why the moderator had to send an email

RE: [WSG] Can't get image and text to line up in unordered list...

2005-01-04 Thread Cook, Graham R
Title: Can't get image and text to line up in unordered list... Kay, I get a DNS timeout error when trying to access your link. Graham From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murphey, KaySent: Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:48 AMTo:

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Steven Clark wrote: I've been reading my digests after a small holiday and I came across this link posted a few days ago for moronic designers to be sent. Is this really a good idea? Of course it's not. It says a lot about the intellectual level and elitist head firmly up my recharge socket

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi All The WSG Core group are with you guys 100% here. No foul language, abuse, negativity or other offensive behaviour will be tolerated on the list. We do our best to keep an eye on things and deal with in appropriate behaviour by contacting those concerned directly. If you have any specific

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Steven Clark
I never meant to actually complain about anyone on the list or the list itself, I apologise to anyone I've offended who may think I'm pointing at them. I simply meant to point in the direction of what I see as a bad practise of pushing the right wheelbarrow the wrong way. I know the companies

[WSG] IE PC Problem with

2005-01-04 Thread Shane Helm
My problem is only in IE on the PC. This is the last issue I am having problems with on this site. I can't figure it out but am hoping I am forgetting something simple. On this page: http://www.willlange.com/index.html between the top button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the

Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

2005-01-04 Thread Bert Doorn
Shane Helm wrote: http://www.willlange.com/index.html between the top button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the 12px tan border of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem? Can it simply be fixed in the

RE: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

2005-01-04 Thread Cook, Graham R
I can't find a problem with the lineup - looks fine to me on IE6. I have a problem however with the Flash menu bar in the top panel. Using the keyboard the tab order is all over the place. Eg Featured Developments goes to first 2 child tabs then back to parent, then to last 2 tabs, About our team

Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

2005-01-04 Thread JohnyB
Otherwise - LOVE THE SITE I agree. However, the main menu doesn't work in FF 0.9.3... And the problem in IE - try to use some IE-only rules (* html foo) to adjust it. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

2005-01-04 Thread Shane Helm
Bert Doorn wrote: Try putting the image map (if it's really necessary to use that), somewhere else in the document, rather than in the flow, or remove the spaces inside the map.../map. Seems that's the cause of the problem. I made these changes but I am not near a PC at the moment. Could you

Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Martin
Shane Helm wrote: I made these changes but I am not near a PC at the moment. Could you check this page http://www.willlange.com/index.html to see if the problem is corrected (that no gap exists now). From what I can tell (having looked at the website before you made this change and after, the

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Steven Clark wrote: I've been reading my digests after a small holiday and I came across this link posted a few days ago for moronic designers to be sent. Is this really a good idea? http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html I mean I'm pro web standards etc and in all honestly I'd

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

2005-01-04 Thread heretic
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html Effective design principles would dictate that the whole point of the page is to get the information to the target audience, but really does it? Its offensively written, rude, long and even a bit angry I've seen this page before and

Re: [WSG] being framed!

2005-01-04 Thread heretic
I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. This may be of interest http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/03/04/swf_seeking_vwm.html Hard as it is to accept, borderless framesets just won't validate. The best thing to do is go for something

Re: [WSG] List decision tree [was: Gallery markup]

2005-01-04 Thread Charles Martin
Charles Martin wrote: Now, were this tree to be more thoroughly documented (i.e., via flowchart in a Visio[-like] product, or develop an outline based on the type of information being classified, or whatever), what does everyone suggest as the best choice to make this easily usable and