Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

Kat wrote: I sent an email with questions about two of their decisions : why table-based layout and why not include character encoding? Their answer was [...] that encoding is not utilised for search engine reasons. LOL! I thought I'd heard all the excuses in the world, but this one takes

Moral High-horse - was Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

Christian Montoya wrote: > Please send Clear Blue Day another e-mail and ask them if they have > any dinosaurs in their office. This is not intended as an attack on Christian, nor anyone else. Not at all. I'm dead serious on that However, the comment above has reminded me of an attitude I see

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

On 1/31/06, Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sent an email with questions about two of their decisions : why > table-based layout and why not include character encoding? > > Their answer was that they used the table-based layout because they did > not like the way style sheets render in IE, and

[WSG] No style

Is there any way to specify in CSS that a certain area is to have no style at all.   Let's say I have my global style sheet where I style my etc. but on one page I have a div with id #editableArea I want that div to have no style applied that is defined in the style sheet, is that possibl

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

On 31/01/06, Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kat wrote: > > Their answer was that they used the table-based layout because they did > not like the way style sheets render in IE, and that encoding is not > utilised for search engine reasons. Wow. Those guys *really* have some catching up to do.

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

Kat wrote: Maybe there is a member of Clear Blue Day here on this list and can explain why they have chosen what they have? I sent an email with questions about two of their decisions : why table-based layout and why not include character encoding? Their answer was that they used the t

RE: [WSG] A Question of Slices

Well, I did think they were kinda hard to read I've seen this type of layout often, using Flash or even Swish or toon boon -- but that's a different subject. ByteDreams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Sent: Sunday, January 2

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

Mmm, just had a look in latest Opera 9 beta and concluded that it's most definitely beta software for a reason ;-) On another page, overflow:auto doesn't work because there are floating form elements, which the engine doesn't seem to want to let layout push down (because, obviously, things are floa

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

Have a look at the Clear Blue Day site with flash disabled: http://www.richardson.co.nz/cbd.gif That's some quality web designing there alright! heretic wrote: My question is: is web-standards really considered a part of the professionalism of web people considering that even the IT media (A

Re: [WSG] Alternate Navigation

Hi Patrick, This requires further research, but many issues may have been resolved in the Accessibility Panel within FLASH. Return True, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep http://bushidodeep.com/ __ "Knowing is not enough, you must

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

> My question is: is web-standards really considered a part of the > professionalism of web people considering that even the IT media > (AustralianIT) ignores this aspect? Well, yes. The IT Media really haven't caught on to standards. That doesn't mean web professionals haven't, or shouldn't. I'd

Re: [WSG] Alternate Navigation

Chris Kennon wrote: It appears that a bid may be lost due to a client insisting on FLASH being used for navigation. The concern from this end is if FLASH is not installed or broken the entire site is DOA (Dead On Arrival). With the use of the object tag is it possible to include an alternate

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

To quickly follow up, before the thread gets presumably closed for being way off topic: Patrick H. Lauke wrote: The Directive on Privacy and Electronic Communications (2002/58/EC)

[WSG] Alternate Navigation

Hi, It appears that a bid may be lost due to a client insisting on FLASH being used for navigation. The concern from this end is if FLASH is not installed or broken the entire site is DOA (Dead On Arrival). With the use of the object tag is it possible to include an alternate navigation,

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

Paul Collins wrote: Could anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong and if possible give me some credible links to back this up? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/26/prior_consent_does_not_mean/ Kind of right, kind of wrong :) ** The discuss

[WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

Hello all! I re-did my website (http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/) a while back in an effort to update its look and improve the quality of the coding behind it. Right now, it looks perfect, just like I want it to.  But, I need to improve/clean up the XHTML coding behind it - eg, properly structu

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

Richard Czeiger wrote: I agree - I think the areas of "Web Standards" and "Best Practices" should go side by side. If one country has decided to actually legislate on something then it's at least worth discussing. I fail to see how the UK's "anti-spam law" is relevant to web standards...but n

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

Just out of curiosity, what about "Tick this box if you don't want to receive massive amounts of spam"? Is it really anti-checked box, or anti-default-opt-in? Seems pretty... open to abuse and/or re-interpretation, unless it's the latter. On 1/31/06, Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

On 31 Jan 2006, at 12:33 am, Paul Collins wrote: I recall reading somewhere a while back that UK law states you can't have a check box ticked on a form EG - "untick this box if you don't want to receive emails" would be illegal for a UK site. That would be European Community law, not onl

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

I agree - I think the areas of "Web Standards" and "Best Practices" should go side by side. If one country has decided to actually legislate on something then it's at least worth discussing. :o) R - Original Message - From: "Jixor - Stephen I" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

I believe this question would fall within the scope of this group. Anyway I would be very interested to know the answer to this, with a link to the related legislation. Giles Clark wrote: Paul, I think you are way off topic here. If you want to contact me directly I'd be happy to help [

[WSG] Equal Height Columns vanishing in IE

Hi guys, I'm using the Equal Height Columns technique from PIE's 'One True Layout', along with the Any Order Columns technique from the same. It works fine in Firefox, and used to work fine in IE, too. That was when I was using the Jello Mold technique to size the site. Now, however, the word from

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

Kat wrote: In the AustralianIT there is an article about the new redesign of the Sunbeam website (www.sunbeam.com.au). I looked it up and it seems to fit Joe Clark's description of a Failed Redesign. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,17957834%5E24169%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html Yes, it

[WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

In the AustralianIT there is an article about the new redesign of the Sunbeam website (www.sunbeam.com.au). I looked it up and it seems to fit Joe Clark's description of a Failed Redesign. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,17957834%5E24169%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html My question is: is

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

Thanks Georg! That did the trick. Kara On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Kara Spellman wrote: For some reason the copyright caption is forcing the last 2 letters below the colored background box. http://www.stevenmaslach.com/home.htm (home page) Remove this comment (

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, but aren't these apples & oranges? The triggering event is one thing, the disappearing technique another. What I'm reading (or perhaps misreading) is that even screen readers that respond to the onclick method might not present text that's pre

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

Kara Spellman wrote: For some reason the copyright caption is forcing the last 2 letters below the colored background box. http://www.stevenmaslach.com/home.htm (home page) Remove this comment ( just above ) from source-code... ...and the 'duplicate character' bug will no longer appear

Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness

On 1/30/06 4:02 PM, "Brian Cummiskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Add the !important declaration to the inline style. That should > over-ride the stylesheet: Adding !important had no effect. Still on the hunt... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com *

RE: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

A form inside a fieldset? [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on everyone, where's the outrage? I remember trying to use a fieldset outside a form and had to don the asbestos fire suit. Seriously, I don't see any benefit to putting the fieldset outside a form. I would assume it's just slopp

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

On 1/30/06, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: > >Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the > >FAQ "answers" while still displaying everything properly without > >javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascr

[WSG] use alpha transparent png mask - was: Display problem in IE for the PC

I like the design as well, but I think you're missing a bit of css potential. Instead of putting the fade onto your images, use a background image with alpha transparent png that sits on top of the image. The image would be solid on the outside, transparent square in the middle and have the fade tr

Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness

On 1/30/06 4:02 PM, "Brian Cummiskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no suggestions for this. I despise and avoid flash as much as > possible :) OK. Thanks. I think the Flash nav's life is about to end... ;-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com *

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

Thanks for both the compliment and © suggestion Joshua. However, changing © to © didn't work. It's the weirdest thing. Kara On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Joshua Street wrote: Maybe give © a shot instead of © ... not certain, but it may help. Love the design, by the way. On 1/31/06, Kara Spe

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

This is the only time I've ever seen a form inside a fieldset, instead of the other way around. I can't even find an example of it that way at w3.org. I know it's valid, but are there any drawbacks to doing it this way? ** The discussion list fo

Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness

Tom Livingston wrote: Global Interprint There aren't any div#main or div.links ANYWHERE in the html you pasted. I'm assuming they are outer containers. Add the !important declaration to the inline style. That should over-ride the stylesheet: target="_blank">Global Interprint we ha

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

Maybe give © a shot instead of © ... not certain, but it may help. Love the design, by the way. On 1/31/06, Kara Spellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > This my first website using CSS. I've gotten most of the bugs out of > it except for one on the home page. For some reason the copyright >

[WSG] IE Weirdness

Surprise! I am having a problem with IE6 on an internal Intranet page (hense no URL) Here's my HTML: PRINTING Global Interprint International Printers Network CSS: div#main div.contentheadfull{background:url(../images/colors/blue.gif) top left repeat-x; width:100%;} div#main div.contentheadf

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. At 05:04 AM 1/30/2006, Al Sparber wro

Re: [WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

I've solved the problem... The flash movie had the same id than its div container: I misused the flash object script from Geoff Stearns, and the CSS got mixed up. I should know better, sorry. Roberto - Roberto Gorjão wrote: Olá a todos, In this page - http://www.our

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Stephen, on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 17:01 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? I only wrote that I would do it that way. > If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be: > > Acme Estate Agents > > Address >

Re: [WSG] Site Review

I would have thought so, but personally, I don't have a problem with just consecutive divs.  I'm sure I'll burn in hell for suggesting it, but, as long as what you already have looks OK in Graphics AND Text mode browsers and JAWS/etc.. like it, i'd say you're OK.If there comes a time when spiders e

RE: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

Paul,   I think you are way off topic here. If you want to contact me directly I'd be happy to help   [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul CollinsSent: 30 January 2006 15:33To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubj

Re: [WSG] Site Review

How about the list of class 'properties', should that be an un-ordered list?DazOn 30/01/06, Stephen Stagg < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be:Acme Estate AgentsAddress

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be: Acme Estate Agents Address The...House Lodge Roa...4DD Telephone 0208 457 4777... I DO think that definiti

[WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

Hi, This my first website using CSS. I've gotten most of the bugs out of it except for one on the home page. For some reason the copyright caption is forcing the last 2 letters below the colored background box. Not sure why. I've messed around with the CSS, but nothing corrects it. It onl

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

On 1/30/06, John S. Britsios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Especially we are concerned about: > > 4. Usability. I really like the liquid layout but to make it usable, I recommend a max-width. Test different max width options and find one that gives an optimal line-length for the main content text.

[WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

Hello all   I recall reading somewhere a while back that UK law states you can't have a check box ticked on a form   EG - "untick this box if you don't want to receive emails" would be illegal for a UK site.    Could anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong and if possible give me some credible

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

From: "tee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings, I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. [1] JAWS presents the onClick event. B

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Thanks Martin,I have sorted all issues highlighted apart from the DL for the address as only one item will ever appear - would DL still be appropriate? and microformats leave with me.Daz On 30/01/06, Martin Heiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Darren,on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:26 wsg@webstandar

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Thanks Zach,1. Title sorted2. Team is a brand name, however I see what your saying and its changed.3. There is now a header above the search and a 'skip to content' link.4. Good idea, leave it with me 5. The CSS needs sorting, leave it with meDazOn 30/01/06, Zach Inglis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Thanks Nathan,I have removed the strong elements and replaced them with a class for the price, I will have a think regarding the H3 as the context is already set and their is no other monetary data on screen. Do you have a recommended screen reader for testing?DazOn 30/01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [E

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Hi Darren,   The markup look pretty slick! My only comment would be around your use of the element. For example:   Property 3 of 500 found   Have you ever heard a screen reader when it hits elements? For this reason I suggest just using a and 'class' instead to create the bold visual effe

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Title: Re: [WSG] Site Review No title? “Using Team” makes no sense to me but maybe because its early. Join Team screams for a The in middle. Find property is above the header. I can understand accessibility options being above but ‘Find Property’? Maybe list the items    (each sale block) Check

Re: [WSG] Site Review

Darren, on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:26 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/properties.html > http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/propertydetails.html You've got some problems in your HTML: 1. with/height attributes of img tags don't accept units. 2. the inputs need name attributes

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

Looks like some good work has gone into this! The source is easy to read, which is handy. However, especially for accessibility, some quick things you could improve are: 1. dont use: External Quality Web Sites - use headings instead. i.e. External Quality Web Sites would be much more semantic

RE: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

> Anders Nawroth > Does the toggle function have to be connected to a element, or do > JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other > elements? The function needs to be attached to an element that receives focus, i.e. an element that users can tab to via the keyboard. L

[WSG] Site Review

Hello all,Please can you review and give comment on the following:http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/properties.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/propertydetails.htmlThanks in advanceDarren

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

SunUp wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions > appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below > them. A toggle effect. You know. > > I've found a couple of methods: > > http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html > http://www.mindsac

Screen readers and JavaScript WAS: Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

On 1/30/06, Anders Nawroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does the toggle function have to be connected to a element, or do > JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other > elements? To add to this question, what happens where screen readers with JavaScript result in an elem

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

Two quick things. Your primary navigation list doesn't need to use pipe separators. It'd be much better to just use borders with CSS to achieve this. Also, maybe consider a "skip to login" as well as your "skip to main content" link. It makes things faster than tabbing through all the links between

[WSG] Would love help from Xaraya users

Im not sure how to post to the CMS list so this may be in the wrong place. Id like to know if there are any WSG members using Xaraya, and if your willing to answer a few beginers questions etc - I have been looking a documentation but would like to find out peoples opinions on the systems and poss

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

Paul Novitski: Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. [1] What about making the show/hide function accessible to the scree

[WSG] Web Site Template Review

Dear co-members, we would kindly appreciate if you could have a look and give us a feedback on our web site redesign template, which may be viewed here: http://www.webnauts.net/redesign/ Especially we are concerned about: 1. Markup and Semantic issues; 2. OS/Browser/Screen Resolution compatib

[WSG] Head and Title elements

Hi All,   Another Monday, but this time two articles for the price of one. This week I've took a look at the head element and the title element. The latter turned out to be more interesting than I thought it might be, especially considering the accessibility angle. It'll be interesting to se

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

Many thanks. I'd only tested Opera in 8.5x (because, IMO, it's reasonable to assume if people are using Opera they're probably going to be people who bother upgrading their software!), so I'll be sure to take a look :-) On 1/30/06, Justin Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/30/06, Joshua Stre

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

On 1/30/06, Joshua Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still keen to hear anyone's suggestions as to the Firefox 1.0.x render > problem... :) > > Josh Hi Josh, While on the topic of rendering bugs I just thought I would mention that in Opera 9 beta there is some funky stuff happening with the s

RE: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

> Joshua Street wrote: > Still keen to hear anyone's suggestions as to the Firefox 1.0.x render > problem... :) > http://sunrisefamily.com.au/current/content/meet/ No problems seen using Firefox 1.07 on XP Pro. Regards Jason ** The discussion l

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css background color to graphic (unless I am mistake

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ "answers" while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascript? Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

On 1/30/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Street wrote: > > I'm assured it's not going to move! > > I wouldn't believe that. In fact, here's a perfect example of why 301 > shouldn't have been used. On Today Tonight (another 7 network program, > for those of you not in Australia

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

Joshua Street wrote: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the URI structure either. It's running on a Zeus web server, which has some weird-ass mod_rewrite equivalent, but I'm not comfortable enough with it to use it. As for why 301 redirects, I explicitly asked for that after carefully explaining that it

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

http://www.nornix.com/testsidor/faq This one has very clean HTML markup. /AndersN SunUp skrev: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ "answers" while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascr