Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com

2009-01-13 Thread James O'Neill
Henrik,

Thank you for your feed back. I am working on those now. =)
The little globe is used to indicate links to external sites. Perhaps
another icon would indicate this better?

What would you suggest for the link colors. I prefer colors that make the
links stand our and not blend into the rest of the site...
The colors that you see current are a part of the default style sheet that I
use and year should probably be changed.


Thank you,

Jim

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:22, Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.auwrote:


 Hi Jim,

 A couple of cents from downunder (in FF3, Camino, Safari / Mac).

 1)  The main horizontal menu bar breaks thru the blue border on the right



 2)  Maybe the drop menu would look better with a matching background image
 on the main category, rather than a solid blue block

 3)  I'd have contact us link / details prominent

 4)  Suggest font size is decreased and leading increased

 5)  Increase padding around footer content

 6)  Link text colour is a bit 'electric' blue (and the green, on hover,
 doesn't seem to associate with any other colour on the site)

 7)  What's that little globe about?

 8)  Purely personal view: everything looks a bit 'tabloid' busy and
 cluttered, which to me is kind of juxtaposed with the yoga vibe. 1) above
 should help to open up the layout but perhaps less use of bold (potentially
 even a font change to something less cold) will deliver a purer, classier,
 more whitespace, overall feel?

 Like I said, my 2c.

 Henrik



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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-01-13 Thread Matt Morgan-May
On 1/10/09 8:26 AM, Alan C Whiteman acwhite...@visualis.us wrote:
 In the end, Flash is not only an obnoxious medium in 90% of its usage

...which is not a problem owing to the platform but rather its authors...
(Besides, that's consistent with Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is
crap.)

 it's technically bad for SEO.

...which isn't generally germane to learning management systems, given that
their users tend to be inside an intranet to begin with. In any case, Google
(among other engines) does in fact index Flash content, and has a list of
guidelines for doing so:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.h
tml

 But if we don't have people pushing
 that envelope, doesn't that make that statement self-fulfilling prophecy?
 
 As a proprietary technology, Adobe can have the burden of making its
 technology better and more compliant.

You mean like settling on industry-standard audio and video formats, like
MP3 and H.264? We do that. SCORM support for our e-Learning products? That
too. Hey, maybe we could open-source the Flex language, including its
compiler:

http://opensource.adobe.com/flex

Whether that adds up to better or not isn't up to me to say. But it's not
the same platform it was 5 years ago, to be sure. Unfortunately, it's
usually argued over as though it were.

Thanks,
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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Matt Morgan-May
On 1/12/09 2:20 AM, michael.brocking...@bt.com
michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:
 Quote: The fact is that many educators have found that they can use
 Flash to teach their students effectively.
 
 I think you (and those teachers that you refer to) are mistaking an
 effective lesson, for effective teaching.*
[...]
 * It may be easier to teach people to use Flash to get a particular
 result, but at the end of the day they have not learned what they need
 to know, which is that Flash is Evil.

If evil is all you have to say about Flash, then there's not much that can
be said. It's clearly not worth taking a reasoned approach to convince you
that it has merit as a classroom tool, despite the thousands of teachers and
millions of students using it.

 Also, I think you mis-understand where the problem lies. Because of the
 way that Flash works, almost all of it is inaccessible to assistive
 technology. 

I have to challenge that assertion, as the engineer who's principally
responsible for improving the accessibility of Flash. Having followed Flash
accessibility since it was first introduced (in 2002), I can tell you that
it has improved dramatically since that time, to the extent that I'd argue
accessible RIA development in Flash today is more efficient (and definitely
better-supported) than the same work done in Ajax.

ARIA will help Ajax get to where we are today, but then Ajax authors will be
in the same situation: most of them failing, usually unconsciously, to
produce accessible applications by default. When that's the case, will you
blame Ajax, or its frameworks, or the individual authors? Will Ajax be evil?

 Adobe could do a better job, the makers of assistive
 technology could do a better job

Great. I'm all ears. What should we do? So far, the impression that I get is
that we should give up. Flash being evil and all. But since we continue to
improve our accessibility, please feel free to send me your ideas.

 but there is very little that the man in the middle can do

This is the heart of the matter. It's just not true. Flash authors can do a
lot to be directly accessible to assistive technology. And bringing it all
back to the original message here, that's what BCAT's developers are trying
to do. What's wrong with more people producing more accessible Flash
content, other than you disliking Flash?

-
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[WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.

2009-01-13 Thread Danny Croft
Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your
professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online
resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any
issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I
have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for
both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v
10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current
browers.

Like I said, only if you get a minute.

Link: http://dannythewebdev.com   (almost forgot to add the link)

Cheers,

Danny


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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread David Lane
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 11:42 -0800, Matt Morgan-May wrote:
 If evil is all you have to say about Flash, then there's not much that can
 be said. It's clearly not worth taking a reasoned approach to convince you
 that it has merit as a classroom tool, despite the thousands of teachers and
 millions of students using it.

Thousands and millions of teachers/students also use MS Powerpoint and
MS Word, too (paid for by hapless taxpayers), and we've all seen the
horrible uneducated results of that, I'm sure... We web developers use
the term angry fruit salad to describe it.

  Adobe could do a better job, the makers of assistive
  technology could do a better job
 
 Great. I'm all ears. What should we do? So far, the impression that I get is
 that we should give up. Flash being evil and all. But since we continue to
 improve our accessibility, please feel free to send me your ideas.

In my opinion, the next improvement Adobe Flash needs, if it wants to be
acceptable to at least this member of the Web Standards Group audience,
would be for Adobe to create the definitive Flash specification, release
it under a royalty-free and patent unencumbered license, and try to get
ISO certification (without buying/badgering national bodies, a la
Microsoft). 

Then there could be competition in the provision of tools for Flash
(rather than the current Adobe monopoly), and I, for one, would be
willing to consider using it... where it's appropriate.

  but there is very little that the man in the middle can do
 
 This is the heart of the matter. It's just not true. Flash authors can do a
 lot to be directly accessible to assistive technology. And bringing it all
 back to the original message here, that's what BCAT's developers are trying
 to do. What's wrong with more people producing more accessible Flash
 content, other than you disliking Flash?

BCAT's developers have a serious nerve asking the WSG community to
provide feedback on a site they've built, but then require that
a) people compromise their freedom by signing an NDA to even view the
site, and then add insult to injury by 
b) making the terms of the NDA available only in a non-standard,
proprietary MS Word DOC format. 

Frankly, I'm amazed that some people (the BCAT guy) have so little
appreciation for the audience they're entreating to give them free
consultation.

Dave

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RE: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.

2009-01-13 Thread Shaun
Nice Site Danny
Seems OK Windows XP/Firefox 3.0.5 but guess you knew that
(Does seem quite a space between sections though)
 
In IE6 I don't get the icons on your contact details but all works well
beside that
 
Google Chrome OK
 
Safari 3.1 /XP OK
 
Vista Business 
IE7 OK
Firefox 2.0 OK 
 
Will try some other combos for you when on other machines, but basically
looks good and behaves  well
 
 
Shaun
 
 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Danny Croft
Sent: 13 January 2009 20:03
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.


Hi All, 

I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your
professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online
resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any
issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I
have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for
both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v
10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current
browers. 

Like I said, only if you get a minute. 

Link: http://dannythewebdev.com   (almost forgot to add the link)

Cheers, 

Danny

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Re: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.

2009-01-13 Thread Joseph Taylor

Looks real good!

The list item icons aren't showing up in IE6 - no biggie.

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Danny Croft wrote:

Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your 
professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small 
online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could 
find any issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may 
have missed. I have done some testing and it passed the online W3C 
Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is 
running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your 
results on any of the current browers.


Like I said, only if you get a minute.

Link: http://dannythewebdev.com   (almost forgot to add the link)

Cheers,

Danny

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RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Webb, KerryA
 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On
 Behalf Of Matt Morgan-May
 Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2009 6:43 AM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
 
 
  Adobe could do a better job, the makers of assistive
  technology could do a better job
 
 Great. I'm all ears. What should we do? So far, the impression that I
get
 is that we should give up. 

Don't give up, just enable Accessibility as the default option at the
factory.

I attended a presentation recently by an Adobe employee and this
question was asked twice and he ignored it twice.

Kerry 
  
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Re: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.

2009-01-13 Thread Henrik Madsen


Hi Danny,

Nice site.

Small usability suggestion: Have your 'back to the top' links on the  
right hand side of the page, so that when the page scrolls down you  
don't need to move yor mouse too much to reach the link.


Henrik

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On 14/01/2009, at 5:02 AM, Danny Croft wrote:


Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast  
your professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a  
small online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if  
anyone could find any issues with it or had any suggestions for  
items that I may have missed. I have done some testing and it passed  
the online W3C Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also  
if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be  
interested in your results on any of the current browers.


Like I said, only if you get a minute.

Link: http://dannythewebdev.com   (almost forgot to add the link)

Cheers,

Danny

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Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com

2009-01-13 Thread Henrik Madsen


External link icon: I'd lose the globe, also because it's jaggy. You  
may find this useful:


http://programmabilities.com/xml/?id=30

Link colour: The site is very blue. Maybe choose one or two  
complementary or contrasting colours, for decoration, and use a  
derivative for your link colours:


http://www.colorsontheweb.com/colorwizard.asp

Henrik Madsen
Generator
hen...@igenerator.com.au
www.igenerator.com.au

On 13/01/2009, at 11:40 PM, James O'Neill wrote:


Henrik,

Thank you for your feed back. I am working on those now. =)

The little globe is used to indicate links to external sites.  
Perhaps another icon would indicate this better?


What would you suggest for the link colors. I prefer colors that  
make the links stand our and not blend into the rest of the site...
The colors that you see current are a part of the default style  
sheet that I use and year should probably be changed.



Thank you,

Jim

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:22, Henrik Madsen  
hen...@igenerator.com.au wrote:


Hi Jim,

A couple of cents from downunder (in FF3, Camino, Safari / Mac).

1)  The main horizontal menu bar breaks thru the blue border on the  
right


2)  Maybe the drop menu would look better with a matching background  
image on the main category, rather than a solid blue block


3)  I'd have contact us link / details prominent

4)  Suggest font size is decreased and leading increased

5)  Increase padding around footer content

6)  Link text colour is a bit 'electric' blue (and the green, on  
hover, doesn't seem to associate with any other colour on the site)


7)  What's that little globe about?

8)  Purely personal view: everything looks a bit 'tabloid' busy and  
cluttered, which to me is kind of juxtaposed with the yoga vibe. 1)  
above should help to open up the layout but perhaps less use of bold  
(potentially even a font change to something less cold) will deliver  
a purer, classier, more whitespace, overall feel?


Like I said, my 2c.

Henrik

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[WSG] XSLT/XPATH doc-available problem

2009-01-13 Thread Focas, Grant
Hi,
I'm using XSLT2 and having a problem with the doc-available function.

I have an href attribute (@href) whose value is 'wiki.xml'

resolve-uri(@href,'file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/') returns
file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/wiki.xml (this file exists and is
valid XML).
resolve-uri(@href,document-uri(/)) returns
file:/c:/CLIPSW~1/rss/temp/wiki.xml
doc-available(file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/wiki.xml) returns
false
doc-available(file:/c:/CLIPSW~1/rss/temp/wiki.xml) returns false
doc-available(resolve-uri(@href,document-uri(/))) returns false
document(file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/wiki.xml) returns nothing
indicating it silently fails
document(resolve-uri(@href,document-uri(/)))returns nothing indicating
it silently fails

Does anyone know what could be going wrong?

Grant Focas
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Re: [WSG] Title attribute

2009-01-13 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
Let me see if I am understanding correctly. The Title attribute is not needed 
any more. As long as links are in simple language and their is a description of 
a photo and/or graphic on the side or top and bottom.

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RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Andrew R
 

 A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of 
 using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to learn 
 some answers because I've been confused about why it's become so widely used 
 in eLearning. I think I see several factors but I also think I'm still 
 missing part of the puzzle.
 
Christie 
Barh – to express my frustration about this general topic. I also agree 
with most of what you’re saying. My first paid web work was developing online 
learning products in the days before the term eLearning existed (showing my age 
here). From what you are saying it sounds like the scene has changed little 
over the last ten years. So from my observation the tide is not turning the 
whole scene has been riddled with problems since the term got ‘eLearning’ 
gained buzz word compliant status. So I have couple of slightly different takes 
on what you’re saying:
 1. Teachers/trainers continue to be committed to linear, push methodologies. 
 
Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs, schools, 
HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can’t be bothered to actually understand 
learning theory. This is why they ‘continue to be committed to linear, push 
methodologies’, it’s easy to understand and cheep to develop. Vendor just give 
the market what they want.   2. Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love 
the web, possibly because they can't control it.
  3. There appears to be broad acceptance of the theories of multiple types 
  of intelligence and different learning styles by teacher/trainers, but no 
  interest in learning how the web has evolved to meet those different needs.
So you’re saying they hate the web and still don't get it after all these 
years. In my experience the real reason they hate it is fear; it shows them up 
to be lazy, sloppy and in the worst cases bad at their jobs. The smart and 
innovative teachers etc love the web because it is a great tool, full of 
opportunities and it can be used to work around many of the problems of more 
traditional media.
 
And now on to a small rant about Flash. I’m with others here – basically I’m 
perplexed by the implication that Flash is some how cornerstone of good 
eLearning, esp since so much of it is so bad. And here’s the problem and I’m 
going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my point. Flash is 
prominently a tool for supporting interaction with certain types of content. It 
does not enable a whole bunch of other activities that could (should) be 
included in supporting learning activity, such a peer discussion, 
collaboration, testing and application of knowledge etc. So while eLearning is 
predominately seen as Flash then eLearning is should not be viewed as a sound 
approach to learning. The accessibility issue is a great summary of the problem 
with Flash; it can be accessible but because it is often done badly it 
generally isn’t. So a good tool often badly used. 
 
And this is the reasons I have a problem with Flash...
Andrew  
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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread nedlud
Having worked as both a teacher in higher ed, and in a support role
for teachers in higher ed, I have to agree 100% with Andrew.

Flash is the devil you know. Teachers use it so they don't have to
learn something new. It amazes me how many people still get away with
making flash sites, and burning it to a CD, and calling it education.
For so many people, just putting an e (can I buy a vowel?) on the
start of something still makes it *very* exciting.



On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Andrew R a_rem...@hotmail.com wrote:

 A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of
 using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to
 learn
 some answers because I've been confused about why it's become so widely
 used
 in eLearning. I think I see several factors but I also think I'm still
 missing part of the puzzle.



 Christie

 Barh – to express my frustration about this general topic. I also
 agree with most of what you're saying. My first paid web work was developing
 online learning products in the days before the term eLearning existed
 (showing my age here). From what you are saying it sounds like the scene has
 changed little over the last ten years. So from my observation the tide is
 not turning the whole scene has been riddled with problems since the term
 got 'eLearning' gained buzz word compliant status. So I have couple of
 slightly different takes on what you're saying:

 1. Teachers/trainers continue to be committed to linear, push
 methodologies.



 Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs,
 schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can't be bothered to
 actually understand learning theory. This is why they 'continue to be
 committed to linear, push methodologies', it's easy to understand and cheep
 to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want.

 2. Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because
 they
 can't control it.


 3. There appears to be broad acceptance of the theories of multiple types
 of intelligence and different learning styles by teacher/trainers, but no
 interest in learning how the web has evolved to meet those different
 needs.

 So you're saying they hate the web and still don't get it after all these
 years. In my experience the real reason they hate it is fear; it shows them
 up to be lazy, sloppy and in the worst cases bad at their jobs. The smart
 and innovative teachers etc love the web because it is a great tool, full of
 opportunities and it can be used to work around many of the problems of more
 traditional media.



 And now on to a small rant about Flash. I'm with others here – basically I'm
 perplexed by the implication that Flash is some how cornerstone of good
 eLearning, esp since so much of it is so bad. And here's the problem and I'm
 going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my point. Flash is
 prominently a tool for supporting interaction with certain types of content.
 It does not enable a whole bunch of other activities that could (should) be
 included in supporting learning activity, such a peer discussion,
 collaboration, testing and application of knowledge etc. So while eLearning
 is predominately seen as Flash then eLearning is should not be viewed as a
 sound approach to learning. The accessibility issue is a great summary of
 the problem with Flash; it can be accessible but because it is often done
 badly it generally isn't. So a good tool often badly used.



 And this is the reasons I have a problem with Flash...

 Andrew



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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Andrew R wrote:

,... and I’m going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my 
point. 


Apparently.

 Flash is prominently a tool for supporting interaction with
certain types of content. It does not enable a whole bunch of other 
activities that could (should) be included in supporting learning 
activity, such a peer discussion, collaboration, testing and application 
of knowledge etc. 


Absolute, utter nonsense. Flash is a platform.

Have you ever developed -- or even used -- an application built in
Flex, or OpenLaszlo? Perfectly simple to do any of the above, with
the advantage of easy integration with video and other rich content.

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Re: [WSG] Title attribute

2009-01-13 Thread Chris Dimmock
Hi Jens

Actually, using the 'title' attribute in a link does NOT add a little
bit of SEO. Title element ('Page Title') - yes for SEO - but title
attribute - no.

Try it yourself. Put a few words in a title attribute - words which
don't otherwise appear on your page. The once Google has re-indexed
the page, (look at the date in the Google cache); then search your
sitein Google for the words you included in the title attribute.

Here's an example. The words Australian DDA appear in a title
element of a link on http://www.cogentis.com.au/ but no where else on
that page, i.e. only here:

a href=website-accessibility-issues.html title=More information on
the Australian DDA and web accessibility issuesWeb accessibility
issues/a

But a search in Google will not return this page.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enq=site%3Acogentis.com.au+Australian+DDAbtnG=Google+Searchmeta=cr%3DcountryAU

It only returns another page on the site which does have those words
on the page.

Google won't find them, because it doesn't index them; just like
Google doesn't index the content of e.g. meta name =keywords field.

Chris



On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff
jko...@fairfaxdigital.com.au wrote:
 I was wondering how valuable the Title attribute is

 Use the 'title' attribute when the link text needs to be short and
 doesn't convey all a user needs to know, eg. a href=... title=Latest
 News from InTheSticksLocal news/a. In this case you also add a bit
 of SEO.

 I found that, contrary to what I believed previously, this is not
 required for assistive technologies, ie. screenreaders. They usually
 pick up the anchor text well.

 Cheers,

 Jens


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Re: [WSG] Title attribute

2009-01-13 Thread Anthony Ziebell




Hello,

The title attribute is especially useful if you need to explain the
content of a page to your visitor and your link text is not so
meaningful. I would advise that you attempt to use meaningful text in
your links. It might be a good idea to change the structure of your
sentence so that meaningful text can be used for linking.

You can read up on good link architecture here:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/importance-of-link-architecture.html

Regards,
Anthony.


Chris Dimmock wrote:

  Hi Jens

Actually, using the 'title' attribute in a link does NOT add a little
bit of SEO. Title element ('Page Title') - yes for SEO - but title
attribute - no.

Try it yourself. Put a few words in a title attribute - words which
don't otherwise appear on your page. The once Google has re-indexed
the page, (look at the date in the Google cache); then search your
sitein Google for the words you included in the title attribute.

Here's an example. The words "Australian DDA" appear in a title
element of a link on http://www.cogentis.com.au/ but no where else on
that page, i.e. only here:

a href="" title="More information on
the Australian DDA and web accessibility issues"Web accessibility
issues/a

But a search in Google will not return this page.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enq=site%3Acogentis.com.au+Australian+DDAbtnG=Google+Searchmeta=cr%3DcountryAU

It only returns another page on the site which does have those words
on the page.

Google won't find them, because it doesn't index them; just like
Google doesn't index the content of e.g. meta name ="keywords" field.

Chris



On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff
jko...@fairfaxdigital.com.au wrote:
  
  

  I was wondering how valuable the Title attribute is
  

Use the 'title' attribute when the link text needs to be short and
doesn't convey all a user needs to know, eg. a href="" title="Latest
News from InTheSticks"Local news/a. In this case you also add a bit
of SEO.

I found that, contrary to what I believed previously, this is not
required for assistive technologies, ie. screenreaders. They usually
pick up the anchor text well.

Cheers,

Jens

  
  

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[WSG] Checking My Page

2009-01-13 Thread Marvin Hunkin
Hi.
Thanks to Mark Harris, he put my files up on his server.
so, will post the url for feedback.
the main problem, i have is the styles.css and the navlinks.css.
so can people take a look, and show me how to fix some of the errors in the 
css sheets i have.
and also general feedback, not so much on content, pretty happy with the 
content and the message.
now, formatting, colours, background, etc.
all comments, suggestions, and complaints are welcome.
cheers Marvin.

ps: so here's the url to the site.

http://tracs.co.nz/marvin/
E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com
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RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Christie Mason
From: Hassan Schroeder

Have you ever developed -- or even used -- an application built in
Flex, or OpenLaszlo? Perfectly simple to do any of the above, with
the advantage of easy integration with video and other rich content.

[CM]

Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort.  It didn't give me any
additional benefits to offset the effort and it greatly reduced the ability
to index and organize content to make it searchable, findable.  About the
only benefit I've found to Flash is in the use of video.  But I only use
video to augment the primary content, not contain primary content.  There's
no benefit in having true interactive methods such as discussion forums or
wikis or blogs in Flash.  Yes, taxonomies and keywords can be assigned but
the content remains locked away.

Plus, I still haven't seen any postings explaining the benefits of taking
accessible text and graphics, then going through the effort of creating
Flash files from them, then going through the effort of making Flash
accessible.  Plus, there's the maintenance issue.  Simple example I always
use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file?  To
do that with a dynamic database approach you change the file once and that's
it.  To change it in every Flash file, you have to find the source, if you
can, then change each file and rerun it.  Or, even more fun, try to change
something like a product image where you don't know which Flash files
referenced which version of which product image when they were created.

Christie Mason



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Re: [WSG] Checking My Page

2009-01-13 Thread Luke Hoggett

Hi Marvin,

Wow a flash back to web design circa 1997.

Well it does pass XHTML transitional, so  plus there.

In terms of css errors well you really shouldn't be placing styling 
information in id attributes i.e. id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto;


Your positioning breaks (text and images in the wrong places) when the 
window is resized.


Frankly I haven't seen such a bad design in years, the only way you 
could make it better is to add this style to the css

* |{text-decoration: blink}|
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original design as an image in Photoshop or similar, then cut up the 
xhtml and css working from your design.|

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|||Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi.
Thanks to Mark Harris, he put my files up on his server.
so, will post the url for feedback.
the main problem, i have is the styles.css and the navlinks.css.
so can people take a look, and show me how to fix some of the errors in the 
css sheets i have.
and also general feedback, not so much on content, pretty happy with the 
content and the message.

now, formatting, colours, background, etc.
all comments, suggestions, and complaints are welcome.
cheers Marvin.

ps: so here's the url to the site.

http://tracs.co.nz/marvin/
E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One 





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Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-13 Thread Mary-Anne . Nayler


Thanks Benjamin.

They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a
host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang
of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due
to server configuration issues. I think I am going to allow iFrames but
with some stipulations.

Mary-Anne

   
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On 12/1/09 07:12, mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote:
 I am just wondering what is the general consensus on the use of Frames or
 iFrames these days. WCAG2.0 is not terribly clear on whether we should or
 shouldn't be using them.

WCAG 2.0 tries to express the principles of web accessibility in a
technology independent manner. If you can use frames in consistency with
those principles, that's compatible with conforming to WCAG 2.0.

Note that the Techniques document for WCAG 2.0 does include some HTML
techniques relevant to frames:

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H64.html

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H70.html

 I understand there are usability issues as well as
 problems with Search Engines.

The usability minefield with frames described at -

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html

- hasn't disappeared.

The interoperability problem hasn't disappeared either. There are still
browsers in use - some mobile browsers, Lynx - that can't handle frames.

More recently, security-conscious users are being advised to disable
iframe support as one measure against clickjacking:

http://hackademix.net/2008/09/27/clickjacking-and-noscript

http://hackademix.net/2008/09/29/clickjacking-and-other-browsers-ie-safari-chrome-opera/


http://hackademix.net/2008/10/08/hello-clearclick-goodbye-clickjacking/

Likewise the problems with frames for search engines described at the
article Nielsen cites:

http://www.ehsco.com/opinion/19980209.html

appear to still exist today:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=35769

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=34445

http://searchenginewatch.com/2167901

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/search/webcrawler/slurp-08.html?terms=frames

(although contrast
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/search/webcrawler/slurp-09.html?terms=frames

)

 I have a client that seems determined to use them despite my best advice.

Use them how for what?

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


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Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-13 Thread Mark Harris

mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote:

They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a
host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang
of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due
to server configuration issues. I think I am going to allow iFrames but
with some stipulations.



I thought you were a government entity? What do the government 
guidelines say about frames


~mark


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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Christie Mason wrote:

Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort. 



...  Plus, there's the maintenance issue.  Simple example I always
use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file?  To
do that with a dynamic database approach you change the file once and that's
it.  To change it in every Flash file...


.. you do exactly the same thing, because it's not in every Flash
file at all.

Yes, you obviously didn't get very far with Flex -- so, why are you
arguing the (de)merits of a technology you don't understand?

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[WSG] RE: # Flash accessibility

2009-01-13 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
Hi Matt

You said:
I have to challenge that assertion, as the engineer who's principally
responsible for improving the accessibility of Flash. Having followed Flash
accessibility since it was first introduced (in 2002), I can tell you that
it has improved dramatically since that time, to the extent that I'd argue
accessible RIA development in Flash today is more efficient (and definitely
better-supported) than the same work done in Ajax.

When I review HTML websites, I have a range of tools I can use to check
their accessibility. Are there equivalent tools I can use to check the
accessibility of Flash?


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