[WSG] RE: # Flash accessibility
Hi Matt You said: >I have to challenge that assertion, as the engineer who's principally >responsible for improving the accessibility of Flash. Having followed Flash >accessibility since it was first introduced (in 2002), I can tell you that >it has improved dramatically since that time, to the extent that I'd argue >accessible RIA development in Flash today is more efficient (and definitely >better-supported) than the same work done in Ajax. When I review HTML websites, I have a range of tools I can use to check their accessibility. Are there equivalent tools I can use to check the accessibility of Flash? Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Christie Mason wrote: Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort. ... Plus, there's the maintenance issue. Simple example I always use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file? To do that with a dynamic database approach you change the file once and that's it. To change it in every Flash file... .. you do exactly the same thing, because it's not "in every Flash file" at all. Yes, you obviously didn't get very far with Flex -- so, why are you arguing the (de)merits of a technology you don't understand? -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote: They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due to server configuration issues. I think I am going to allow iFrames but with some stipulations. I thought you were a government entity? What do the government guidelines say about frames> ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Thanks Benjamin. They are using them to facilitate the menu/header/footer ite,s across a host of applications which sit on a range of differing servers using a rang of differing technologies. I suggested SSI's but that is not possible due to server configuration issues. I think I am going to allow iFrames but with some stipulations. Mary-Anne Mary-Anne Nayler Phone: 02 612 46681 Mgr, Design & Technical team Mobile: 0402111359 Web Services Section Fax: 02 612 47969 Online Development Branch Email: Business Futures and eClaiming mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au Division Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent by: cc li...@webstandard sgroup.orgSubject Re: [WSG] Frames/iFrames [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] 13/01/2009 06:12 PM Please respond to w...@webstandardsg roup.org On 12/1/09 07:12, mary-anne.nay...@medicareaustralia.gov.au wrote: > I am just wondering what is the general consensus on the use of Frames or > iFrames these days. WCAG2.0 is not terribly clear on whether we should or > shouldn't be using them. WCAG 2.0 tries to express the principles of web accessibility in a technology independent manner. If you can use frames in consistency with those principles, that's compatible with conforming to WCAG 2.0. Note that the Techniques document for WCAG 2.0 does include some HTML techniques relevant to frames: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H64.html http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H70.html > I understand there are usability issues as well as > problems with Search Engines. The usability minefield with frames described at - http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html - hasn't disappeared. The interoperability problem hasn't disappeared either. There are still browsers in use - some mobile browsers, Lynx - that can't handle frames. More recently, security-conscious users are being advised to disable "iframe" support as one measure against clickjacking: http://hackademix.net/2008/09/27/clickjacking-and-noscript http://hackademix.net/2008/09/29/clickjacking-and-other-browsers-ie-safari-chrome-opera/ http://hackademix.net/2008/10/08/hello-clearclick-goodbye-clickjacking/ Likewise the problems with frames for search engines described at the article Nielsen cites: http://www.ehsco.com/opinion/19980209.html appear to still exist today: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769 http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=34445 http://searchenginewatch.com/2167901 http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/search/webcrawler/slurp-08.html?terms=frames (although contrast http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/search/webcrawler/slurp-09.html?terms=frames ) > I have a client that seems determined to use them despite my best advice. Use them how for what? -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** Help us support the Starlight Children's Foundation to grant wishes to seriously ill children this Christmas—make a donation at any Medicare office during December. NOTICE - This message is intended only fo
Re: [WSG] Checking My Page
Hi Marvin,
Wow a flash back to web design circa 1997.
Well it does pass XHTML transitional, so plus there.
In terms of css errors well you really shouldn't be placing styling
information in id attributes i.e. id="Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto;"
Your positioning breaks (text and images in the wrong places) when the
window is resized.
Frankly I haven't seen such a bad design in years, the only way you
could make it better is to add this style to the css
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Hi.
Thanks to Mark Harris, he put my files up on his server.
so, will post the url for feedback.
the main problem, i have is the styles.css and the navlinks.css.
so can people take a look, and show me how to fix some of the errors in the
css sheets i have.
and also general feedback, not so much on content, pretty happy with the
content and the message.
now, formatting, colours, background, etc.
all comments, suggestions, and complaints are welcome.
cheers Marvin.
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RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
From: Hassan Schroeder Have you ever developed -- or even used -- an application built in Flex, or OpenLaszlo? Perfectly simple to do any of the above, with the advantage of easy integration with video and other rich content. [CM] Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort. It didn't give me any additional benefits to offset the effort and it greatly reduced the ability to index and organize content to make it searchable, findable. About the only benefit I've found to Flash is in the use of video. But I only use video to augment the primary content, not contain primary content. There's no benefit in having true interactive methods such as discussion forums or wikis or blogs in Flash. Yes, taxonomies and keywords can be assigned but the content remains locked away. Plus, I still haven't seen any postings explaining the benefits of taking accessible text and graphics, then going through the effort of creating Flash files from them, then going through the effort of making Flash accessible. Plus, there's the maintenance issue. Simple example I always use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file? To do that with a dynamic database approach you change the file once and that's it. To change it in every Flash file, you have to find the source, if you can, then change each file and rerun it. Or, even more fun, try to change something like a product image where you don't know which Flash files referenced which version of which product image when they were created. Christie Mason *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Checking My Page
Hi. Thanks to Mark Harris, he put my files up on his server. so, will post the url for feedback. the main problem, i have is the styles.css and the navlinks.css. so can people take a look, and show me how to fix some of the errors in the css sheets i have. and also general feedback, not so much on content, pretty happy with the content and the message. now, formatting, colours, background, etc. all comments, suggestions, and complaints are welcome. cheers Marvin. ps: so here's the url to the site. http://tracs.co.nz/marvin/ E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Title attribute
Hello,
The title attribute is especially useful if you need to explain the
content of a page to your visitor and your link text is not so
meaningful. I would advise that you attempt to use meaningful text in
your links. It might be a good idea to change the structure of your
sentence so that meaningful text can be used for linking.
You can read up on good link architecture here:
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/importance-of-link-architecture.html
Regards,
Anthony.
Chris Dimmock wrote:
Hi Jens
Actually, using the 'title' attribute in a link does NOT add a little
bit of SEO. Title element ('Page Title') - yes for SEO - but title
attribute - no.
Try it yourself. Put a few words in a title attribute - words which
don't otherwise appear on your page. The once Google has re-indexed
the page, (look at the date in the Google cache); then search your
sitein Google for the words you included in the title attribute.
Here's an example. The words "Australian DDA" appear in a title
element of a link on http://www.cogentis.com.au/ but no where else on
that page, i.e. only here:
Web accessibility
issues
But a search in Google will not return this page.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3Acogentis.com.au+Australian+DDA&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU
It only returns another page on the site which does have those words
on the page.
Google won't find them, because it doesn't index them; just like
Google doesn't index the content of e.g. meta name ="keywords" field.
Chris
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff
wrote:
I was wondering how valuable the Title attribute is
Use the 'title' attribute when the link text needs to be short and
doesn't convey all a user needs to know, eg. Local news. In this case you also add a bit
of SEO.
I found that, contrary to what I believed previously, this is not
required for assistive technologies, ie. screenreaders. They usually
pick up the anchor text well.
Cheers,
Jens
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Re: [WSG] Title attribute
Hi Jens
Actually, using the 'title' attribute in a link does NOT add a little
bit of SEO. Title element ('Page Title') - yes for SEO - but title
attribute - no.
Try it yourself. Put a few words in a title attribute - words which
don't otherwise appear on your page. The once Google has re-indexed
the page, (look at the date in the Google cache); then search your
sitein Google for the words you included in the title attribute.
Here's an example. The words "Australian DDA" appear in a title
element of a link on http://www.cogentis.com.au/ but no where else on
that page, i.e. only here:
Web accessibility
issues
But a search in Google will not return this page.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3Acogentis.com.au+Australian+DDA&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU
It only returns another page on the site which does have those words
on the page.
Google won't find them, because it doesn't index them; just like
Google doesn't index the content of e.g. meta name ="keywords" field.
Chris
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff
wrote:
>> I was wondering how valuable the Title attribute is
>
> Use the 'title' attribute when the link text needs to be short and
> doesn't convey all a user needs to know, eg. Local news. In this case you also add a bit
> of SEO.
>
> I found that, contrary to what I believed previously, this is not
> required for assistive technologies, ie. screenreaders. They usually
> pick up the anchor text well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jens
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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Andrew R wrote: ,... and I’m going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my point. Apparently. > Flash is prominently a tool for supporting interaction with certain types of content. It does not enable a whole bunch of other activities that could (should) be included in supporting learning activity, such a peer discussion, collaboration, testing and application of knowledge etc. Absolute, utter nonsense. Flash is a platform. Have you ever developed -- or even used -- an application built in Flex, or OpenLaszlo? Perfectly simple to do any of the above, with the advantage of easy integration with video and other rich content. -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
Having worked as both a teacher in higher ed, and in a support role for teachers in higher ed, I have to agree 100% with Andrew. Flash is the devil you know. Teachers use it so they don't have to learn something new. It amazes me how many people still get away with making flash sites, and burning it to a CD, and calling it education. For so many people, just putting an "e" (can I buy a vowel?) on the start of something still makes it *very* exciting. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Andrew R wrote: > >> A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of >> using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to >> learn >> some answers because I've been confused about why it's become so widely >> used >> in eLearning. I think I see several factors but I also think I'm still >> missing part of the puzzle. > > > > Christie > > Barh – to express my frustration about this general topic. I also > agree with most of what you're saying. My first paid web work was developing > online learning products in the days before the term eLearning existed > (showing my age here). From what you are saying it sounds like the scene has > changed little over the last ten years. So from my observation the tide is > not turning the whole scene has been riddled with problems since the term > got 'eLearning' gained buzz word compliant status. So I have couple of > slightly different takes on what you're saying: > >> 1. Teachers/trainers continue to be committed to linear, push >> methodologies. > > > > Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs, > schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can't be bothered to > actually understand learning theory. This is why they 'continue to be > committed to linear, push methodologies', it's easy to understand and cheep > to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want. >> >> 2. Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because >> they >> can't control it. > >> >> 3. There appears to be broad acceptance of the theories of multiple types >> of intelligence and different learning styles by teacher/trainers, but no >> interest in learning how the web has evolved to meet those different >> needs. > > So you're saying they hate the web and still don't get it after all these > years. In my experience the real reason they hate it is fear; it shows them > up to be lazy, sloppy and in the worst cases bad at their jobs. The smart > and innovative teachers etc love the web because it is a great tool, full of > opportunities and it can be used to work around many of the problems of more > traditional media. > > > > And now on to a small rant about Flash. I'm with others here – basically I'm > perplexed by the implication that Flash is some how cornerstone of good > eLearning, esp since so much of it is so bad. And here's the problem and I'm > going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my point. Flash is > prominently a tool for supporting interaction with certain types of content. > It does not enable a whole bunch of other activities that could (should) be > included in supporting learning activity, such a peer discussion, > collaboration, testing and application of knowledge etc. So while eLearning > is predominately seen as Flash then eLearning is should not be viewed as a > sound approach to learning. The accessibility issue is a great summary of > the problem with Flash; it can be accessible but because it is often done > badly it generally isn't. So a good tool often badly used. > > > > And this is the reasons I have a problem with Flash... > > Andrew > > > > http://webgovernanceproblems.blogspot.com/ > > > > > See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
> A question was asked early in this thread about what are the benefits of> > using Flash? There's been no answer to that question. I was hoping to learn> > some answers because I've been confused about why it's become so widely used> > in eLearning. I think I see several factors but I also think I'm still> > missing part of the puzzle. Christie Barh – to express my frustration about this general topic. I also agree with most of what you’re saying. My first paid web work was developing online learning products in the days before the term eLearning existed (showing my age here). From what you are saying it sounds like the scene has changed little over the last ten years. So from my observation the tide is not turning the whole scene has been riddled with problems since the term got ‘eLearning’ gained buzz word compliant status. So I have couple of slightly different takes on what you’re saying: > 1. Teachers/trainers continue to be committed to linear, push> methodologies. Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs, schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can’t be bothered to actually understand learning theory. This is why they ‘continue to be committed to linear, push methodologies’, it’s easy to understand and cheep to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want. > > 2. Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because they> can't control it. > > 3. There appears to be broad acceptance of the theories of multiple types> > > of intelligence and different learning styles by teacher/trainers, but no> > > interest in learning how the web has evolved to meet those different needs. So you’re saying they hate the web and still don't get it after all these years. In my experience the real reason they hate it is fear; it shows them up to be lazy, sloppy and in the worst cases bad at their jobs. The smart and innovative teachers etc love the web because it is a great tool, full of opportunities and it can be used to work around many of the problems of more traditional media. And now on to a small rant about Flash. I’m with others here – basically I’m perplexed by the implication that Flash is some how cornerstone of good eLearning, esp since so much of it is so bad. And here’s the problem and I’m going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my point. Flash is prominently a tool for supporting interaction with certain types of content. It does not enable a whole bunch of other activities that could (should) be included in supporting learning activity, such a peer discussion, collaboration, testing and application of knowledge etc. So while eLearning is predominately seen as Flash then eLearning is should not be viewed as a sound approach to learning. The accessibility issue is a great summary of the problem with Flash; it can be accessible but because it is often done badly it generally isn’t. So a good tool often badly used. And this is the reasons I have a problem with Flash... Andrew http://webgovernanceproblems.blogspot.com/ _ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Title attribute
Let me see if I am understanding correctly. The Title attribute is not needed any more. As long as links are in simple language and their is a description of a photo and/or graphic on the side or top and bottom. Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http://www.infoforce-services.com "Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light." - Helen Keller *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] XSLT/XPATH doc-available problem
Hi,
I'm using XSLT2 and having a problem with the doc-available function.
I have an href attribute (@href) whose value is 'wiki.xml'
resolve-uri(@href,'file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/') returns
file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/wiki.xml (this file exists and is
valid XML).
resolve-uri(@href,document-uri(/)) returns
file:/c:/CLIPSW~1/rss/temp/wiki.xml
doc-available("file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/wiki.xml") returns
false
doc-available("file:/c:/CLIPSW~1/rss/temp/wiki.xml") returns false
doc-available(resolve-uri(@href,document-uri(/))) returns false
document("file:/c:/clipsworkingdir/rss/temp/wiki.xml") returns nothing
indicating it silently fails
document(resolve-uri(@href,document-uri(/)))returns nothing indicating
it silently fails
Does anyone know what could be going wrong?
Grant Focas
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Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
External link icon: I'd lose the globe, also because it's jaggy. You may find this useful: http://programmabilities.com/xml/?id=30 Link colour: The site is very blue. Maybe choose one or two complementary or contrasting colours, for decoration, and use a derivative for your link colours: http://www.colorsontheweb.com/colorwizard.asp Henrik Madsen Generator hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au On 13/01/2009, at 11:40 PM, James O'Neill wrote: Henrik, Thank you for your feed back. I am working on those now. =) The little globe is used to indicate links to external sites. Perhaps another icon would indicate this better? What would you suggest for the link colors. I prefer colors that make the links stand our and not blend into the rest of the site... The colors that you see current are a part of the default style sheet that I use and year should probably be changed. Thank you, Jim On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:22, Henrik Madsen wrote: Hi Jim, A couple of cents from downunder (in FF3, Camino, Safari / Mac). 1) The main horizontal menu bar breaks thru the blue border on the right 2) Maybe the drop menu would look better with a matching background image on the main category, rather than a solid blue block 3) I'd have contact us link / details prominent 4) Suggest font size is decreased and leading increased 5) Increase padding around footer content 6) Link text colour is a bit 'electric' blue (and the green, on hover, doesn't seem to associate with any other colour on the site) 7) What's that little globe about? 8) Purely personal view: everything looks a bit 'tabloid' busy and cluttered, which to me is kind of juxtaposed with the yoga vibe. 1) above should help to open up the layout but perhaps less use of bold (potentially even a font change to something less cold) will deliver a purer, classier, more whitespace, overall feel? Like I said, my 2c. Henrik *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.
Hi Danny, Nice site. Small usability suggestion: Have your 'back to the top' links on the right hand side of the page, so that when the page scrolls down you don't need to move yor mouse too much to reach the link. Henrik Henrik Madsen Generator hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au On 14/01/2009, at 5:02 AM, Danny Croft wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current browers. Like I said, only if you get a minute. Link: http://dannythewebdev.com (almost forgot to add the link) Cheers, Danny *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
> -Original Message- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Morgan-May > Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2009 6:43 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT > > > > Adobe could do a better job, the makers of assistive > > technology could do a better job > > Great. I'm all ears. What should we do? So far, the impression that I get > is that we should give up. Don't give up, just enable Accessibility as the default option at the factory. I attended a presentation recently by an Adobe employee and this question was asked twice and he ignored it twice. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.
Looks real good! The list item icons aren't showing up in IE6 - no biggie. Joseph R. B. Taylor /Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /"Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design"/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Fax: (866) 301-8045 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com Danny Croft wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current browers. Like I said, only if you get a minute. Link: http://dannythewebdev.com (almost forgot to add the link) Cheers, Danny *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.
Nice Site Danny Seems OK Windows XP/Firefox 3.0.5 but guess you knew that (Does seem quite a space between sections though) In IE6 I don't get the icons on your contact details but all works well beside that Google Chrome OK Safari 3.1 /XP OK Vista Business IE7 OK Firefox 2.0 OK Will try some other combos for you when on other machines, but basically looks good and behaves well Shaun -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Danny Croft Sent: 13 January 2009 20:03 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Browser / OS Test on website. Hi All, I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current browers. Like I said, only if you get a minute. Link: http://dannythewebdev.com (almost forgot to add the link) Cheers, Danny *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 11:42 -0800, Matt Morgan-May wrote: > If "evil" is all you have to say about Flash, then there's not much that can > be said. It's clearly not worth taking a reasoned approach to convince you > that it has merit as a classroom tool, despite the thousands of teachers and > millions of students using it. Thousands and millions of teachers/students also use MS Powerpoint and MS Word, too (paid for by hapless taxpayers), and we've all seen the horrible uneducated results of that, I'm sure... We web developers use the term "angry fruit salad" to describe it. > > Adobe could do a better job, the makers of assistive > > technology could do a better job > > Great. I'm all ears. What should we do? So far, the impression that I get is > that we should give up. Flash being evil and all. But since we continue to > improve our accessibility, please feel free to send me your ideas. In my opinion, the next improvement Adobe Flash needs, if it wants to be acceptable to at least this member of the Web Standards Group audience, would be for Adobe to create the definitive Flash specification, release it under a royalty-free and patent unencumbered license, and try to get ISO certification (without buying/badgering national bodies, a la Microsoft). Then there could be competition in the provision of tools for Flash (rather than the current Adobe monopoly), and I, for one, would be willing to consider using it... where it's appropriate. > > but there is very little that the man in the middle can do > > This is the heart of the matter. It's just not true. Flash authors can do a > lot to be directly accessible to assistive technology. And bringing it all > back to the original message here, that's what BCAT's developers are trying > to do. What's wrong with more people producing more accessible Flash > content, other than you disliking Flash? BCAT's developers have a serious nerve asking the WSG community to provide feedback on a site they've built, but then require that a) people compromise their freedom by signing an NDA to even view the site, and then add insult to injury by b) making the terms of the NDA available only in a non-standard, proprietary MS Word DOC format. Frankly, I'm amazed that some people (the BCAT guy) have so little appreciation for the audience they're entreating to give them free consultation. Dave -- David Lane = Egressive Ltd = d...@egressive.com = m:+64 21 229 8147 p:+64 3 963 3733 = Linux: it just tastes better = nosoftwarepatents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Browser / OS Test on website.
Hi All, I was wondering if any of you get a spare minute, could you cast your professional eyes over a site I just put online. Its only a small online resume type site. But I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any issues with it or had any suggestions for items that I may have missed. I have done some testing and it passed the online W3C Validation Service for both the markup and CSS. Also if anyone is running an OS other than OSX (v 10.5.6) then I'd be interested in your results on any of the current browers. Like I said, only if you get a minute. Link: http://dannythewebdev.com (almost forgot to add the link) Cheers, Danny *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT
On 1/12/09 2:20 AM, "michael.brocking...@bt.com" wrote: > Quote:" The fact is that many educators have found that they can use > Flash to teach their students effectively." > > I think you (and those teachers that you refer to) are mistaking an > effective lesson, for effective teaching.* [...] > * It may be easier to teach people to use Flash to get a particular > result, but at the end of the day they have not learned what they need > to know, which is that "Flash is Evil". If "evil" is all you have to say about Flash, then there's not much that can be said. It's clearly not worth taking a reasoned approach to convince you that it has merit as a classroom tool, despite the thousands of teachers and millions of students using it. > Also, I think you mis-understand where the problem lies. Because of the > way that Flash works, almost all of it is inaccessible to assistive > technology. I have to challenge that assertion, as the engineer who's principally responsible for improving the accessibility of Flash. Having followed Flash accessibility since it was first introduced (in 2002), I can tell you that it has improved dramatically since that time, to the extent that I'd argue accessible RIA development in Flash today is more efficient (and definitely better-supported) than the same work done in Ajax. ARIA will help Ajax get to where we are today, but then Ajax authors will be in the same situation: most of them failing, usually unconsciously, to produce accessible applications by default. When that's the case, will you blame Ajax, or its frameworks, or the individual authors? Will Ajax be evil? > Adobe could do a better job, the makers of assistive > technology could do a better job Great. I'm all ears. What should we do? So far, the impression that I get is that we should give up. Flash being evil and all. But since we continue to improve our accessibility, please feel free to send me your ideas. > but there is very little that the man in the middle can do This is the heart of the matter. It's just not true. Flash authors can do a lot to be directly accessible to assistive technology. And bringing it all back to the original message here, that's what BCAT's developers are trying to do. What's wrong with more people producing more accessible Flash content, other than you disliking Flash? - M *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
On 1/10/09 8:26 AM, "Alan C Whiteman" wrote: > In the end, Flash is not only an obnoxious medium in 90% of its usage ...which is not a problem owing to the platform but rather its authors... (Besides, that's consistent with Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap.") > it's technically bad for SEO. ...which isn't generally germane to learning management systems, given that their users tend to be inside an intranet to begin with. In any case, Google (among other engines) does in fact index Flash content, and has a list of guidelines for doing so: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.h tml >> But if we don't have people pushing >> that envelope, doesn't that make that statement self-fulfilling prophecy? > > As a proprietary technology, Adobe can have the burden of making its > technology better and more compliant. You mean like settling on industry-standard audio and video formats, like MP3 and H.264? We do that. SCORM support for our e-Learning products? That too. Hey, maybe we could open-source the Flex language, including its compiler: http://opensource.adobe.com/flex Whether that adds up to "better" or not isn't up to me to say. But it's not the same platform it was 5 years ago, to be sure. Unfortunately, it's usually argued over as though it were. Thanks, m *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
Henrik, Thank you for your feed back. I am working on those now. =) The little globe is used to indicate links to external sites. Perhaps another icon would indicate this better? What would you suggest for the link colors. I prefer colors that make the links stand our and not blend into the rest of the site... The colors that you see current are a part of the default style sheet that I use and year should probably be changed. Thank you, Jim On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:22, Henrik Madsen wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > A couple of cents from downunder (in FF3, Camino, Safari / Mac). > > 1) The main horizontal menu bar breaks thru the blue border on the right > > > 2) Maybe the drop menu would look better with a matching background image > on the main category, rather than a solid blue block > > 3) I'd have contact us link / details prominent > > 4) Suggest font size is decreased and leading increased > > 5) Increase padding around footer content > > 6) Link text colour is a bit 'electric' blue (and the green, on hover, > doesn't seem to associate with any other colour on the site) > > 7) What's that little globe about? > > 8) Purely personal view: everything looks a bit 'tabloid' busy and > cluttered, which to me is kind of juxtaposed with the yoga vibe. 1) above > should help to open up the layout but perhaps less use of bold (potentially > even a font change to something less cold) will deliver a purer, classier, > more whitespace, overall feel? > > Like I said, my 2c. > > Henrik > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
