[WSG] Nikon's new standards website

http://www.nikonnet.com/ -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to

[WSG] XHTML1.1 differences - was [ Fixed Height: Headers and Footers]

Christian Montoya wrote: [snip ] Are you serving the webpages as mime-type "application/xhtml+xml" ? Because that is the only mime-type that should be used with XHTML 1.1. Otherwise if you are going to use "text/html" then you should use XHTML 1.0 Strict or H

Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream

Yes, it really needs frames of course . . . :-) ) (Sorry - couldn't resist! ) Kenny Graham wrote: i like tabs as much as anybody else, but when it's _that_ bad, it's time to move them from the top to the side. wouldn't look nearly as bad as a vertical nav, and wouldnt have the flyouts cove

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

Most important thing I learned was that XHTML is just 'tag soup' unless you serve it properly. (application/xhtml+xml). In consequence, the worst thing was finding that I had to have a radical rethink about my approach to producing web pages . . . Merry Christmas everybody, and thanks for lot

[WSG] Wish-list for 2006

1. to be able to write xml style markup in html. What I mean is, instead of writing: blah blah I could write: blah blah AND, 2. to be able to embed a font (or fonts) in an html page, without a driver/player . . . AND . . . lots more! You? -- Best Regards, Bob

[WSG] XHTML again - was:[Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply]

Leslie Riggs wrote: What's a person to do? When is it appropriate to use one of the XHTML DTDs and when to use HTML 4.01, and what about those XHTML Transitional DTDs? I guess I'm looking for a bit of a summarization & clarification of this concept. Leslie Riggs The approach I use (I'm

Re: [WSG] XHTML again - was:[Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply]

Hi Roberto, When I 'view source' in FF, I get the following: 'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd'> If I look in IE, I get this: 'http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd'> Are you getting something different? Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) wrote: - Mes

Re: [WSG] XHTML again

idate for css or for HTML 4.01. In IE, your site shows http-equiv="Content-Type" content="application/xhtml+xml; It needs to be sent with the "text/html" mime type. A little tweak to your php code and you will have it nailed ;) Regards, Lynne On 1/6/06, *desig

[WSG] content type etc

Hi All, More questions as I battle to understand stuff about headers and xhtml . . . My question is about the two alternative meta headers: or Someone (pretty sure it was Lachlan) said that the "content="text/html;" (or indeed content="application/xhtml+xml;) bit was a waste of time and

Re: [WSG] content type etc

Gee Rimantas, Such enlightenment! :-) Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Rimantas Liubertas wrote: <...> I would then end up with : http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd'> Tester <...> Is that 'sensible'? No. Is

Re: [WSG] Article: MIME and Content Negotiation

Hi Karl, An interesting piece, well done. However, it still leaves me with some confusion. I have been using Neil Crosby's PHP approach on [1] (see signature, below) and it works 'OK', BUT, if I omit the meta tag: from it's usual place, I get Chinese characters everywhere. In other wor

Re: [WSG] Article: MIME and Content Negotiation

Lachlan Hunt wrote: [snip] Did you read my article [1] which Rimantas referred you to? That explains what you're supposed to do. You need to use real HTTP headers, not the inferior meta element. The end of that article links to another that actually explains how to set the charset paramete

Re: [WSG] Article: MIME and Content Negotiation

Hi Lachlan, Philippe, and all, So I made a simplified version of my opening page (removed counters and other impedimenta) and removed the meta tags. All I got was Chinese and gobbledegook! So I uploaded it to: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/gam/test.php I was stunned to find that it works

[WSG] small screen rendering

Hi all, I have just discovered the 'small screen rendering' tool in Firefox (web developer toolbar). Am I right in thinking this is an attempt to show what a site looks like on a mobile device or similar? Is it a good guide? etc. Any info much appreciated - it looks as though it's a great

Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5

Peter Asquith wrote: Geoff Deering wrote: Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure? Absolutely, and elements, to my mind, break the semantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you say "this element represents the footer for th

Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5

Christian Montoya wrote: If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking about something new. I'd be really interested in knowing how C

[WSG] Holy Grail - with padding!

Hi All, I have just read Matthew Levine's interesting piece, http://www.alistapart.com/articles/holygrail and I wondered if anyone has ever seen a similar thing done with padding as well (i.e., same effect as with a padding : 25px all around)? I've searched and not found anything . . . I h

Re: [WSG] Holy Grail - with padding!

Thierry Koblentz wrote: Something like this: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/3cols/ ? Marvellous! Yes - exactly like that! Thanks for sharing. Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for

[WSG] Fontography

Hello Listees, Fonts come into an area which confuses me. To begin with, there doesn't seem to be any standardisation amongst the various fonts : 14px Times is smaller than 14px Verdana, for example. (to my simple mind, 14 px is 14 px) The space taken up by a font varies too. This makes it

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

Christian Montoya wrote: Sounds like he has no idea how simple it is to make a website accessible. But that's not the big deal here. If you look at all the comments at Cnet, you'll see that a lot of people agree with Mr. Gaddis... which brings to light a bigger social problem behind the fight fo

[WSG] Plugin - was [ just sharing the frustration ]

Jay Gilmore wrote: . . . I usually paste as plain text into HTML-Kit and I have a plugin that converts line breaks into and also can turn text lists into 's or 's. Hey Jay, Can you tell us more? What plugin? Sounds very handy! Thanks Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-interne

Re: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict

Ian Anderson wrote: I disagree with this statement. In my opinion, there are several very good use cases. The primary one is help windows, where instructions can be compared with the items in the main window. A variant of this is T&Cs in forms, where there are serious consequences for the us

Re: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict

Lachlan Hunt wrote: [a lot! :-)] --- Hi Lachlan, I am not attempting to reply to all your specific points, except in generalisation. I think that we all have different ways of working, and that's OK by me. Your points about tabbing I accept, but for the purpose

[WSG] occam's razor again - was [ TARGET in 4.01 Strict ]

There have been a lot of opinions expressed in this thread - lot's of valid points and lots of invalid points. However, cutting through the maze of details etc leads me to emphasise that when dealing with accessibility (for the able as well as the disabled) one should always approach web desig

Re: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes

Bert Doorn wrote: I sense an utterly erroneous presumpton that the designer knows best what suits people they have never met. Bert - Isn't that what all good 'designers' do? The 'consumers' then decide if they like the design and whether they want it or not. There

Re: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes

7;ve never thought of! Best regards Vincent Hi Vincent, I couldn't agree more. Your point about the library shows clearly that cooperation between designer and user is paramount as a starting point in discussions. It's all a question of balance - consideration for the user (and

Re: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes

Christian Montoya wrote: [snip] How many websites do we come across with some Java or server-side option to increase text size? It's almost as common as the XHTML and CSS validator links. Is it really useful? No, not really... how about if these sites had a link to a page that explained how to

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone,   I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/   I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine.   Today I received a call from someone saying that

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone,   I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/   I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine.   Today I received a call from someone saying that

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone,   I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/   I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine.   Today I received a call from someone saying that

Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

Hi Lachlan, Lachlan Hunt wrote: /Um... You don't need to, although IE users without script enabled with have a slightly degraded style (not totally unstyled) due to Dead Edwards' IE7 script not working. / Oh dear. Will there be an obituary somewhere? :-) Site looks great overall. Nice and c

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

Lachlan Hunt wrote: No, it will not work under XHTML at all. The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match anything in XHTML. It will only work for text/html. OH Dear, I'm getting confused again! When I read the above, I thought "ah - her

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

Jason Turnbull wrote: Try changing the last style too DIV#container Yup! Works fine now. Thanks (to both) for the clarification. http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/gam/altgam/standards.php Incidentally, I would be interested in any browsers you know which won't support application/xhtml+xml

Re: [WSG] Re: uppercase CSS and XHTML

Lachlan Hunt wrote: Designer wrote: Incidentally, I would be interested in any browsers you know which won't support application/xhtml+xml, apart from IE of course. http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/media-types/results Thanks, Lachlan. I studied the list

[WSG] tabindex

In an endeavor to 'be good', I've been putting tabindex on links just lately. Certainly the WAI validator gives me a warning if I don't. However, it looks to me as though 'modern' browsers tab through the links even without the tabindex (certainly Firefox, Opera and even IE6), so what's the g

Re: [WSG] tabindex

Thank you Gentlemen, I'll strip the bloomin' things out again then! The validator I was using (Patrick) is the one which appears in the FF web developer toolbar ('validate WIA) and it's items 9.4 and 9.5 which warn me that: [ /Rule: 9.4.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT an

[WSG] playing with layouts, pt2

Dear colleagues, I have been (just) playing with layouts, based upon what we discussed recently, and just wanted to see if it was easy to have 2 layouts, based upon a) a proper standard and b) another for the likes of IE and others which don't support some CSS rules. I've been using the (now

Re: [WSG] playing with layouts, pt2

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/altgam/sbox/template.php My Safari 2.0.4 does support CSS tables, but it doesn't "signal" that it is capable of showing xhtml properly (which it is). Thus, it is served 4.01 Strict with "float CSS".

[WSG] tabindex and accesskey

Sorry to go over old ground here, but I seem to remember that the general consensus of opinion on the above two was that it was best if they weren't used? However, if I try to validate using the WIA validator, my stuff validates, but the validator gives me two warnings: 9.4 Create a logical

Re: [WSG] tabindex and accesskey

David Dorward wrote: I've never heard of it, and a quick Google doesn't help. Thanks David, that was what I thought the consensus was! In respect of the WAI I referred to, see: Cynthia at www.contentquality.com - it's the one which is used when you use the Firefox developer toolbar and s

Re: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

David Pietersen wrote: Sorry if this has already come up... but have you seen these? http://www.lenef.com/dotleader/ http://home.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/dot-leaders.html And another, One I did a while back : http://www.webscribe.fsnet.co.uk/menufiles/mk/mkchapters.html -- Bob

Re: [WSG] PopUp windows

Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 7 Mar 2007, at 14:41:54, Michael Yeaney wrote: I find this argument interesting: One of the main purposes for "popping up" a window when nav leaves your site is to keep the site always visible - better known this as "marketing". By keeping a site always around, the

Re: [WSG] PopUp windows

Chris Williams wrote: This sounds like a perfect application for Ajax. Have the TOC on the left, the actual document on the right... opens as you click through the TOC? Just a thought... Or, maybe frames - (ducks for cover!) -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk **

[WSG] target and accessibility

I am confused by the WAI validator failing validation on a section of a page which has the following code: Introduction What the author says What the critics say

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

John Faulds wrote: What the critics say What the critics say Same text - different destinations. Thanks John! But . . . That's what I want : 2 different books, each in it's own headed list, both with a section on "what the critics say". Does this mean I can't have that? If so, that is

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Al Sparber wrote: From: "Designer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks John! But . . . That's what I want : 2 different books, each in it's own headed list, both with a section on "what the critics say". Does this mean I can't have that? If so, that is r

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Al Sparber wrote: [snip] . . . No one is forcing you to not use "Buy Now" 20 times, on 20 different links. . . . Well Al, they are if I want to make an 'accessible' site which passes the WAI validation. No-one is 'forcing me' not to put font tags in the markup, or lay it out with tables, o

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility -solution!

Simon Moss wrote: In fact there is a let-out clause - http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#link-text - you *can* use the same text for different links, providing you use unique title text for each one... (still irritating - but as you say - there is a point there...) Simon Brilliant S

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Andrew Maben wrote: On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Designer wrote: So I repeat : 20 items for sale would have to be: Buy now, Buy it now, etc... I may be late to the party with this, but I think what they're looking for would be: Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now A

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

Al Sparber wrote: From: "Designer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I may be late to the party with this, but I think what they're looking for would be: Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Buy Now Andrew Thanks Andrew - Simon put me on to this also, and it's EXACTLY what

[WSG] centring and viewport size (OT?)

I'm sorry if this is OT [but hey - it's weekend :-) ] but I'm pretty useless at javascript, DOM and all that and I've really struggled finding the info I need. Most of the methods (non-tables) for centering a div vertically (and horizontally) suffer from the same problem: they use the div hei

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size (OT?)

Thanks to those who responded on this. What I've done is to make a file which uses the javascript to determine the space available in the browser window, viz: var height = 0; if( typeof( window.innerWidth ) ==

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size (OT?)

David Hucklesby wrote: Use JavaScript to change the element's top-margin style directly, perhaps? Cordially, David -- How exactly would you do that? (I'm interested, and I'm learning :-) ) -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *

Re: [WSG] Using headers symantically

Lee Powell wrote: Hi all, Last evening I was playing around with some conceptual work which included a vast number of headers, and it got me thinking into how best to use them, and indeed how the spec says to use them. The W3C spec states, that the range of headers goes from h1 through to h

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

David Hucklesby wrote: However, did you look at Georg's solution he sent Saturday? For IE, he uses JavaScript (or is it JScript?) in a Microsoft-only "expression" to position the DIV's top. It seems to solve your problem nicely, even in IE7,

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Use an IE conditional comment [1] to feed the expression to IE, and all shall be well - or, at least, validate :-) Cheers, Nick. Hi Nick, Georg, Done that - works fine. See http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/index_cc.html to see the action. It all validates

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/index_cc.html The window being too small to display the top of the page is not a problem using this approach, as there isn't any absolute positioning.. Yes, it is. Check again. You

Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: Aw, flip! I look forward to seeing what you come up with! :-) These two: #3: mode-independent conditional IE-expression for container sized in 'em'... <http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/test_07_3814.html> #4: mode-independent condition

[WSG] Politics and pricing

Sorry this is OT, but I couldn't resist sharing this: On the (English) news last night it was announced that all members of the current government are to have their own websites. NO political rantings, but instead a page about themselves. One assumes that this will be a resume of sorts, plus

Re: [WSG] vertically aligning objects of unknown height

Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Hi guys, Is there any way to vertically align objects in CSS next to each other if the height of them is not set? This is what I am trying to achieve: http://www.prototype.net.au/boxes.html I want to create a box with an undefined amount of text inside

[WSG] equal height columns

Hi all, I need some javascript/DOM help in setting a CSS height. I've got a div called grid and two columns inside that div (left and right). I have a standards version which works fine using display : table and display : table-cell, but for IE I want to put a conditional comment in which w

[WSG] equal height columns

trying again - this never arrived! Original Message Subject: equal height columns Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:42:04 +0100 From: Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Hi all, I need some javascript/DOM help in setting a CSS

Re: [WSG] equal height columns

Quintin Stoltz wrote: Instead of grid.offset.height, try grid.offsetHeight -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Designer Sent: 16 April 2007 01:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] equal height columns Hi all, I need some

Re: [WSG] equal height columns]

P.S. Beware - you may find IE hanging Quintin Stoltz wrote: Instead of grid.offset.height, try grid.offsetHeight Thanks for pointing out my typo, but it still doesn't work! There's a page you can see at: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/elc.html -- Bob www.

Re: [WSG] equal height columns]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/sandbox/elc.html Correction: The "em to px" part of the calculation - needed for correct subtraction of that padding, can be extracted here... ...where I use it to simulate 'em-based min/

Re: [WSG] Windows Vista Style Buttons

Breton Slivka wrote: you can do it like this: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html But you should know that this UI pattern is a usability/accessability disaster, and usually a symptom of poor content organization. I would encourage better organization in order to avoid these alto

[WSG] border vs outline

On 18/05/07, Stephen Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I find this invaluable, http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks The most valuable part (for me) was introducing me to 'outline' instead of border. I confess, I'd never come across it before. I've had a quick play and it does validate OK. The i

[WSG] width of inline lists

Has anyone got a (simple) workaround for the fact that I want to specify the width of each in an inline list? (which is not allowed). I'm using the simple menu: div#menu { font : 13px Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align : left; color: #333; } div#menu li{

Re: [WSG] width of inline lists

Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Try, div#menu li{ display : block; float: left; width : 250px; list-style-type : none; } On Sun, May 20, 2007 1:02 pm, Designer wrote: Has anyone got a (simple) workaround for the fact that I want to specify the width of each in an

Re: [WSG] width of inline lists

Thierry Koblentz wrote: Before you use a table, check this link: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/make_an_html_list_look_like_a_table.asp Ignore the script solution and look at the CSS rules in there. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com Done that Thierry, thank you. Works fine! (Even

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

Patrick Lauke wrote: Andrew Maben This may be heresy, but I think this might be a perfectly legitimate use of a (properly marked-up) table? Tables are for tabular data (where rows/columns have a very strictly determined relationship, and moving cells around changes the meaning of the data)

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

John Faulds wrote: > As I said, I couldn't say for certain what the relationship might be, but my guess with the example given, as it's a photo gallery site, would be that the photographer/artist feels like the photos should be in a certain sequence, perhaps to facilitate the telling of a stor

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Quoting Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: A significant number of photographers regard a 'collection of photographs' as being 'the work', and the way that work is shown (the relationship between one image and it's adjacent images, and indeed

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the primary issue you have here is the assertion that Images, however artistic they may be, qualify as 'data'. I cannot see that connection, and therefore cannot agree with the use of a table. Further, the 'relationship' between two images may change if they are

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

Paul Novitski wrote: I think the problem with using to demarcate your introduction isn't that is presentational (it's not) but rather that it does nothing to express what's different semantically about an introduction. You may wish to present the introductory paragraph in a "stronger font"

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

bject: Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text On 26 May 2007, at 18:04:38, Designer wrote: Presumably, and would do the trick also? Using the "title" attribute means pointing-device-users would get a tooltip saying "introduction" obscuring the text if they happened to have t

[WSG] address semantics

Good day all. I want to put an address on a site, but I'm put off by the limitations of the tag. (but attracted to the semantic value). My first thought was something like: 4 somestreet Anytown Anycounty Anycountry AN1 ONE

Re: [WSG] double space after period

- Original Message - From: "Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Original Message- > > From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, 23 January 2005 9:31 PM > > To: web standards group > > Subject: [WSG] double space after period > > > > Forgive

[WSG] scribbles

Hi All, I'm not 'doing a blog', but have started to put down some thoughts about various areas of this 'new philosophy' which have me (as a newcomer of only 4 months to 'standards') totally confused. The first endeavour concerns the classic - opening new windows. My scribbling can be seen at: ht

[WSG] re:scribbles

Hi Carmelyne, - Original Message - From: "Carmelyne Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] scribbles > A question to answer your question. Would you consider pop up > windows as "focus-stealing" from a users point of view with re

Re: [WSG] Containers and frames

Hi Robin, - Original Message - From: Robin Lauryssen-Mitchell To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: [WSG] Containers and frames This is my first attempt at using Containers: http://www.rpehlm.me.uk/rpehlm/home_con.php Take a look if you like and/

[WSG] Standards?

Good Day everyone: I have been doing the annual maintenance/update of a Holiday Home letting site I've had for a few years, so this year I attempted to convert it all to standards. It is now XHTML1 /CSS and most of it validates. (I say most because there is a bit of Flash and some of it uses frame

Re: [WSG] Standards?

Hi All, Everyone has had something sensible to say, but it's interesting to play Devil's advocate with Mark's list: > - Speed Development Hey - she'll be expecting me to reduce my prices next year! :-) > - Simplify Maintenance, Increase Opportunity Ditto! > - Open Up Access Options OK > - R

[WSG] standards in local government

Hi All, I was surprised to find a local government web site (English) using standards and accessibility: http://www.oldham.gov.uk/ It doesn't quite validate, but it's a determined start! Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *

[WSG] standards and meta tags

Hello all, After looking at the site mentioned by Anthony (relating to standards and local government) I noticed a lot of meta tags on that site [ http://www.salford.gov.uk ] which I haven't seen before, e.g.: Forgive my ignorance on this, but can meta tags just be 'invented' and be acceptab

Re: [WSG] standards and meta tags

Thanks Patrick, Geoff. Very helpful. Good Lord! You could spend your whole life devoted to this area! :-) Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://web

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

With respect Christopher, I think you're missing the point. To take your analogy further, it seems to me that making web designers solely responsible for dealing with accessibility is like telling architects they're off the hook with regard to ramps etc, and getting the decorators to carry the disa

Re: [WSG] double space after period

Surely, the argument against the double space is only a short step away from it's logical extension: don't have paragraphs either, just have continuous text . . .? The logic behind both is surely the same? Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk - Original Message

[WSG] valid tracker code

Do any of you wizards know of a (free) tracker which actually validates when used with xhtml strict? Or indeed, ANY tracker with valid code? Many thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for h

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

Thanks to Lisa and all who replied.    I now have a statcounter installed and under test! And I'll be adding Patrick's simplified version too, very soon.   Thanks again,   Bob McClelland,Cornwall (U.K.)www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk     - Original Message - From: kemie gua

Re: [WSG] Centre DIV Vertically? Any compliant methods?

Hi Joey, I've wanted to do this for ages, and never found a solution which is rigid AND which works in IE. In addition, the published methods usually need you to know the dimensions of the div you are centering, and I want a method which centers both horizontally AND vertically, nomatter what size

[WSG] systemnames in CSS?

Dear Experts, I have come across using 'funny' names instead of what I'm used to, e.g.: color : windowtext; I understand (from my not very useful trawl of Google) that these are systemnames. What's this all about? Would it be useful, and if so, when? Are they standards

Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?

Thank you (all). Does this mean that, if I only use systemcolors on a site, the site will match the decor of the PC in question, and, appear differently depending upon how the machine is set, or are the system colours 'constant'. In other words, can I make a site be a good match for the users pre

Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?

- Original Message - From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS? > > Bob, yes...I actually played around with the idea back in January, and > made a half-finished experiment here > http://dev.splinte

Re: [WSG] Orange and Blue

- Original Message - From: "Ricci Angela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Orange and Blue >What I have heard, there was some research and it turned out that blue >and orange are best for branding. Blue has something to do with an >imag

Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos?

Stephen, Until recently, my feelings were precisely as expressed in your third paragraph! However, I just upgraded a website for a holiday business, and I explained to the owner that it was now done to standards and all that stuff. It meant zero to her, but at least she could appreciate that she/

[WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

- Original Message - From: "Alan Trick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] To display or not to display validation logos? > What you may want to do is insted of the displaying that logo, use the > smaller ones, like the ones at the bottom

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

Hi all, I think that basically we all agree in principle. However, to take a couple of points: [1] Patrick's : >It's a bit like plastering a nice > big sticker on a new building saying "built with bob's special concrete > mix". As long as the site (or building) performs as it should, customers >

Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks?

- Original Message - From: "Andy Budd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] validation logos - kitemarks? > I think most people put validation logos on their sites for peers. This > is often just vanity/showing off. However other web develo

Fw: [WSG] centering a page

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:43:27 -0500, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm trying to get a page to center vertically and horizontally, it works > well on IE/win and gecko, but when I checked it on mac, both safari and > IE/win mess it up. Any suggestions or links to resources on h

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