Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4
sorry to have passed along misinformation regarding which was the first browser to pass the Acid 3 Test. It still passes the test very very well, and is a decent benchmark to address the original question. On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Dyre Hult wrote: Opera 10 was unveiled already last year and do pass the web standards Acid 3 test. Safari 4 was unveiled this month. Both browsers are still in the dev stage, so I reckon Mr. Andrew Lyle was misinformed. http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/presto-2-2-and-opera-10-a-first-look/ Todd Budnikas wrote: according to Mr. Andrew Lyle: Safari 4 is the first web browser to pass the web standards Acid 3 test which demonstrates how well a browser adheres to CSS, javascript, XML and SVG. So, i'd say it's handling them pretty well :) http://acid3.acidtests.org/ On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Kevin Erickson wrote: Hi, Anyone know about how the new Safari Beta 4 is handling the current standards of the Web? Thanks, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4
according to Mr. Andrew Lyle: Safari 4 is the first web browser to pass the web standards Acid 3 test which demonstrates how well a browser adheres to CSS, javascript, XML and SVG. So, i'd say it's handling them pretty well :) http://acid3.acidtests.org/ On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Kevin Erickson wrote: Hi, Anyone know about how the new Safari Beta 4 is handling the current standards of the Web? Thanks, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 2/24/2009 6:43 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Reset Forms
A question came up today inquiring about a design my company has recently completed. There is currently in the design an option to reset the form on one of the pages. Does anyone have any opinions on the usefulness of that feature, or statistics on whether or not people use it? Luke Wroblewski argues that actions like Reset and Cancel are unnecessary and should be either removed or de-emphasized in the user interface to avoid mistakes. http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/books/webforms/blog/undo_a_reset_form/ I tend to agree. However, I think Cancel can be useful. Thoughts on form resetting, cancel options and usability? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing
The Firefox Web Developer Toolbar (by Chris Pederick: http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/) has an option under Tools to validate Section 508. In the end, it ultimately just point to this site: http://www.cynthiasays.com/fulloptions.asp There is an optional select menu to change from Section 508 to WCGA, etc. Also, the Firefox Accessibility Extension goes a bit further: http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/tools.php and a few additional web based solutions mentioned here http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/tools.php#other http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/ http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/Apple_Boot_Camp/4-200398-1.html Problem solved? Otherwise, Firefox has plugins that give nice reports, (HTML Validator plugin may have had the Accessibility options, i can't remember, it's been a while since i used it) Apart from that, I'm not sure I can help you On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.auwrote: Hi all, I'm wrapping up a Government agency website. They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless; others very valid - but no problem. Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner. http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php And our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A could apparently be improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and listenability. Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)? TIA. Henrik Henrik Madsen *Generator* hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Layering Images
Nathan, sounds like you should just apply position:absolute to to both the image and your a and apply position:relative to the li (parent) for the img and a to work off of. It would be helpful though to see the CSS in addition to the markup. I apologise if this has been dealt with before, but I'm having trouble layering some images in a project I am working on. What I am trying to achieve is this - http://img.skitch.com/20090211-reu2htst32muj7s5w8n2au4r33.jpg I have the following (repeated, obviously), to display the images. liimg src=image.png alt=description /a href=h3spanNo. 01/spanTask Description/h3/a/li What I am trying to do is add the completed label to some of the items, which I am having trouble with. What is the best way to approach this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- -- Nathan Wheatley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Layering Images
So i think you just need to add a div with class=completed in your relatively positioned li for completed items and apply absolute positioning to that div. The div would have the background image of a Completed transparent png as you have it in your mockup with bottom: 0. Have you tried to implement something? I'm a little unclear on what exactly the question is and what exactly you need help with in the process. On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Nathan Wheatley wrote: Thanks Todd, I won't dump all the markup in the email, but: Full source of page is here - http://52.nathanwheatley.com/index-hover.html CSS used by page is here - http://52.nathanwheatley.com/assets/style-hover.css I understand there are probably a whole lot of other errors with my markup. Many of them I am aware of. For now, I'm just trying to get it to function correctly. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Todd Budnikas to...@missiondata.com wrote: Nathan, sounds like you should just apply position:absolute to to both the image and your a and apply position:relative to the li (parent) for the img and a to work off of. It would be helpful though to see the CSS in addition to the markup. I apologise if this has been dealt with before, but I'm having trouble layering some images in a project I am working on. What I am trying to achieve is this - http://img.skitch.com/20090211-reu2htst32muj7s5w8n2au4r33.jpg I have the following (repeated, obviously), to display the images. liimg src=image.png alt=description /a href=h3spanNo. 01/spanTask Description/h3/a/li What I am trying to do is add the completed label to some of the items, which I am having trouble with. What is the best way to approach this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- -- Nathan Wheatley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- -- Nathan Wheatley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
Damian probably gave you your answer, but I'll also say that if you
review the original documentation from http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
for the code you're using, you'll see that they recommend
conditional comments to trigger hasLayout. In your case, in the head
of your document you should add:
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
zoom: 1; /* triggers hasLayout */
} /* Only IE can see inside the conditional comment
and read this CSS rule. Don't ever use a normal HTML
comment inside the CC or it will close prematurely. */
/style
![endif]--
Either way, the end goal is the same.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Damian Edwards wrote:
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context changes,
or both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with classes
catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a new
layout context and in turn expand the container to contain all
elements. If you want it to apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a
selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /*
IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid
{ overflow: hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I’d have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it’s late J
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Subject: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the
top menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of the
main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the
content (in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems to
fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
Generator
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Re: [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
ack.. sincere apologies. If you view positioniseverything.net, they
use a class of clearfix for this fix, and I think it is poor practice
to add mark-up to help IE behave. However, David is correct, as i
copied and pasted without checking myself. So the :after should have
been left out for the IE conditionals.
Again, sincere apologies for misinformation.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:16 PM, David Dixon wrote:
Just to correct Todd's reply, the :after property isnt support by
either IE7 or IE6 (and below), therefore you would need to adjust
your CSS to state (assuming you're using a CSS hack, for ease of
display):
#NameofContainingDiv {
*zoom: 1;
/* all your other styles for the element */
}
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: '.';
display: block;
height: 0;
visibility: hidden;
}
David
Todd Budnikas wrote:
Damian probably gave you your answer, but I'll also say that if you
review the original documentation from http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
for the code you're using, you'll see that they recommend
conditional comments to trigger hasLayout. In your case, in the
head of your document you should add:
!--[if IE]
style type=text/css
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
zoom: 1; /* triggers hasLayout */
} /* Only IE can see inside the conditional comment
and read this CSS rule. Don't ever use a normal HTML
comment inside the CC or it will close prematurely. */
/style
![endif]--
Either way, the end goal is the same.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Damian Edwards wrote:
Most likely a lack of hasLayout triggers or layout context
changes, or both.
For the coloured boxes, add overflow:hidden to the divs with
classes catalougeMid and subscribeMid. This will force them into a
new layout context and in turn expand the container to contain all
elements. If you want it to apply to IE6 and IE7 only, use a
selector hack:
* html .catalogueMid, * html .subscribeMid { overflow: hidden; } /
* IE6 Only */
*:first-child+html .catalogueMid, *:first-child+html .subscribeMid
{ overflow: hidden; } /* IE7 Only */
I’d have to fire up a VM to look at the IE6 issue and it’s late J
Regards,
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[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Henrik Madsen
*Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2009 19:37
*Subject:* [WSG] CSS IE6/7 - what a surprise
HI all,
I'm hoping there's a simple solution to my two problems.
All looks fine in Mac browsers x5 and IE8b2 (according to
netrenderer) but not in:
IE6 - Mysterious margins are appearing between the header and the
top menu and in both coloured boxes in the right hand column of
the main content.
IE6+7 - the coloured boxes are not 'expanding' to contain the
content (in this case a floated image in both)
I found this CSS as an alternative to a clearing div and it seems
to fix things in other browsers - except those IE's:
#NameofContainingDiv:after {
clear: both;
content: .;
display: block;
height: 0px;
visibility: hidden;
}
Would anyone be able to have a look?
Here's the link:
http://www.igenerator.com.au/dev/sm09/homepage.html
Any other thoughts, comments, suggestions - always appreciated.
TIA,
Henrik Madsen
*Generator*
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Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
anybody know when Geoff is coming back?? On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Geoff Pack wrote: I am on vacation until 5 January 2009. If it's urgent, you can contact me on: m. 0429 348 132 e. ge...@dhillon-pack.net Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Five Second Usability Test
Just wanted to share this link with everyone as I think it's a potentially useful tool for designers and helps you keep in mind the first impression of your visitors. Lately the list has felt like a help desk, so I hope this will help break up some of that. You can create your own test and send it out to people or help out a designer by taking a random test from the pool and giving anonymous feedback. The software basically shows you a screenshot for 5 seconds and then asks you to record what you remember. Credit for the link goes to Robert Hoekman, Jr. who shared this site with those of us who attended An Event Apart 2008. He used the site in a real-time example with the audience during his talk. http://fivesecondtest.com/ http://rhjr.net/ Curious to hear the thoughts of others, see some tests and/or hear about some tools you use to be a better designer. Happy holidays everyone. Enjoy! --- Todd Budnikas Creative Director http://www.missiondata.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Full Width Striped Background with Centered Content
if you apply a min-width to your body in css it will also solve this, including IE6 even though it doesn't understand it. Adding this to your body solved it for me in your example: min-width:900px; On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Chris Cressman wrote: Someone solved this for me. It was as simple as applying the same background color to the content and the container. Thanks. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Chris Cressman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a CSS solution if anyone has time to take a look. I've centered two content divs within two wrapper divs stacked on top of each other. The wrappers each have a unique background color that stretches across the whole page. The content divs are fixed at 800px and centered on the page using auto margins. I reduced the width of my browser window to create a horizontal scrollbar, and then moved the scrollbar all the way to the right. The background colors do not appear in the area on the right that was formerly outside the browser window. Please try at the following URL: http://chriscressman.com/layout-test-simple.html Can anyone suggest a fix for this or some alternate CSS to keep the background colors regardless of scrolling? Thanks. ~Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared
Brett, i'm not sure if the previous recommendation of PNG was for the 8-bit pngs with transparency, but that's what I'd argue. I often check between GIF and 8-bit PNG when i export, to see which looks the best at the smallest size, and PNG often wins. On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Brett Patterson wrote: No, I may have to disagree. GIF files are (a majority of them, if not all, are) smaller. They have to be. Considering GIF only supports up to a maximum of 256 colors. (it is 8-bit). Try http://www.sitepoint.com/article/gif-jpg-png-whats-difference/ ---or--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Interchange_Format You should never have to use a pngGauntlet-type compressor. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Foskett, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I cannot help with the spacing issue I do strongly suggest using png rather than gif. File size is smaller especially when run through pngGauntlet. Mike Foskett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 25 November 2008 10:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared On Nov 24, 2008, at 3:24 AM, Robert O'Rourke wrote: If I remember rightly if you are able to save the image with a transparent background it keeps the file size lower because a transparent pixel takes less space than a pixel with colour information. You can put a coloured outline around the sprites themselves to avoid jagged edges in IE. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared
wouldn't best practise for CSS sprites include image quality? On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Brett Patterson wrote: First of all, No I am not! Second I have tried out differences. Notice the difference in file sizes. Thirdly, I did not say that png did not support 8-bit, nowhere does it say that, it does however say that GIF only supports a maximum of 256 colors. Fourthly, Todd your argument is off subject, because neither MIke nor me ever mentioned it looking best, although I would have to agree, PNG most certainly does look best, depending on the image. And fifthly, Mike, sorry, but no, without using a PNGGauntlet or whatever, I am not. All I simply stated is that gif files have to be smaller, (probably should have said before) without using pnggauntlet. And I say without, because anyone else may not have, or know where to get it. Well...and sixthly, I use PNGs just as much you, but there are a lot of times when PNGs will not cut the job, and GIFs are, again, majority of the time smaller and better. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Foskett, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Brett, you're wrong. The png format will handle three levels of bit-depth including 8- bit which is the same as the gif format. The references you state are somewhat outdated and don't consider the different methods of compression that a png will handle natively. I suggest you try a few comparisons out yourself. They don't always work out smaller but most often they do. Seconded. You can make 8 bit PNGs with as little as 8 colors or as many as 256. Just try Save for Web Devices in Photoshop CS3. I don't even bother with GIFs anymore, the 8-bit PNGs come out smaller almost every time. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and xhtml by hand, but learned to build websites in Dreamweaver, I would say Rachel's approach might be difficult for some. This being your first website Kate, I would say to use some of the better tools Dreamweaver offers and learn from them. For instance in Dreamweaver CS3 you can create a new html page (File New), choose New HTML page type and then you can select from some css based Layouts. I think that's a great place to start. From there you should read up on some articles, pay attention to what happens as you experiment and modify things, etc. Design-based approach in Dreamweaver can be detrimental if you never learn what's behind it, but I think it's a great way to get started as long as you learn from what it offers. I'll probably get some backlash on this. I'm not saying Dreamweaver even does a really good job of writing markup or css when you are working in design-view, but it gives a good place to start. Also, I'd recommend using Split view so you can start to see the code changes and get comfortable with it as you interact with the design. On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Rachel Radford wrote: Hi Kate, For a first webpage you're doing pretty well - you have some images there and have changed the background colour and text colour on the page. However, using the Dreamweaver design view approach will not give you the best end results, or teach you the best practices. Peter's link gives you some really good tips on moving beyond the elementary use of Dreamweaver's design view, and point 5 - validate your page to find basic errors is a definite step you don't want to miss. Other than that, you may want to look at following online tutorials. For example, your menus can be enhanced by following some easy steps (for example, http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/horizontal_introduction.htm) which you can then edit as you like. You will be able to find many tutorials for page layout, table styling, menus etc. by searching Google and people here will also be able to give you pointers on good tutorials. Then moving forward when you feel more confident with editing the html css from these tutorials, you will be able to build your own menus and eventually the entire website from scratch based on your custom design :) All the best, Rachel -Original Message- I followed with another messge for the link but here it is: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Sorry.! Kate My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
on Apache servers, you can add this to your httpd.conf: AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:23 AM, David Dorward wrote: James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Reset form fields to default values when user clicks the refresh/reload button in there Browser, not on the page.
Do you just mean a form reset input button? input type=reset value=Reset!? You lost me on the but instead using the browser's button.. what button? On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Brett Patterson wrote: How do I get a form field to reset itself back to its default value if the user has changed it? Without clicking on a refresh/reload button on the page but instead using the browser's button. The XHTML Transitional code I have is: tddiv class=inmiddleof label for=hsQty/label form action= name=heartSearch select name=hsQty id=hsQty onchange=proc() option value=00/option option value=11/option option value=22/option option value=33/option /select /form /div/td tddiv class=inmiddleof form action= name=hSearchoutput input type=text name=hsTotal id=hsTotal / /form /div/td *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Reset form fields to default values when user clicks the refresh/reload button in there Browser, not on the page.
I guess use onbeforeunload to trigger an event? http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/demos/OnBeforeUnloadDemo1.htm On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Brett Patterson wrote: The Reload Current Page button in Firefox, and I think the Refresh Page button in IE, and whatever those buttons are called in other browsers. NOT with an input button to reset. Thanks. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you just mean a form reset input button? input type=reset value=Reset!? You lost me on the but instead using the browser's button.. what button? How do I get a form field to reset itself back to its default value if the user has changed it? Without clicking on a refresh/reload button on the page but instead using the browser's button. The XHTML Transitional code I have is: tddiv class=inmiddleof label for=hsQty/label form action= name=heartSearch select name=hsQty id=hsQty onchange=proc() option value=00/option option value=11/option option value=22/option option value=33/option /select /form /div/td tddiv class=inmiddleof form action= name=hSearchoutput input type=text name=hsTotal id=hsTotal / /form /div/td *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Reset form fields to default values when user clicks the refresh/reload button in there Browser, not on the page.
sorry all, does this not solve it?
I guess use onbeforeunload to trigger an event?
http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/demos/OnBeforeUnloadDemo1.htm
On Nov 13, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Tom ('Mas) Pickering wrote:
Brett -
Here's the problem: Different browsers handle that differently.
Firefox 2+ won't reset the fields on Reload, only on Shift-Reload.
IE 6.0+ resets on a simple Refresh. What is the teacher using?
At 11:34 AM 11/13/2008, you wrote:
To Andrew:
What I am trying to do is get a form field to reset a value back to
the default selected when a user clicks on the refresh or reload
button in the browser, not the page (meaning I am not using input
type=reset / to reset the fields). So, for example, lets say
this code is:
form action=processorformquantity.pl name=heartSearch
select name=hsQty id=hsQty onchange=proc()
option value=00/option
option value=11/option
option value=22/option
option value=33/option
/select
br /input type=submit value=Submit /
/form
As you see the code above displayed in the browser, 0 will
automatically be shown in the dropdown box (let's call it the
default#). But, if the user changes the default# to let's say 2,
and then decides to reset the page for whatever reason using the
browser's default refresh or reload button, the user-selected 2,
will change back to default# (or 0).
The reason is because for some reason, unknown to me, it is a major
part of my grade.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I guess use onbeforeunload to trigger an event?
http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/demos/OnBeforeUnloadDemo1.htm
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Re: [WSG] Reset form fields to default values when user clicks the refresh/reload button in there Browser, not on the page.
i realize that. I'm saying use this behavior to notice the page has
been refreshed and call a function that resets the fields you wish to
have this action. I'm not claiming that script solves your problem,
but would be a gateway for you to write something that does.
On Nov 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Brett Patterson wrote:
Sorry, but no. If you look in FF3 it keeps the text entered in the
form field when page is refreshed the same. It does not remove it.
There are no code examples, and I have exhausted the library and
internet resources.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Todd Budnikas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sorry all, does this not solve it?
I guess use onbeforeunload to trigger an event?
http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/demos/OnBeforeUnloadDemo1.htm
On Nov 13, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Tom ('Mas) Pickering wrote:
Brett -
Here's the problem: Different browsers handle that differently.
Firefox 2+ won't reset the fields on Reload, only on Shift-Reload.
IE 6.0+ resets on a simple Refresh. What is the teacher using?
At 11:34 AM 11/13/2008, you wrote:
To Andrew:
What I am trying to do is get a form field to reset a value back
to the default selected when a user clicks on the refresh or
reload button in the browser, not the page (meaning I am not using
input type=reset / to reset the fields). So, for example, lets
say this code is:
form action=processorformquantity.pl name=heartSearch
select name=hsQty id=hsQty onchange=proc()
option value=00/option
option value=11/option
option value=22/option
option value=33/option
/select
br /input type=submit value=Submit /
/form
As you see the code above displayed in the browser, 0 will
automatically be shown in the dropdown box (let's call it the
default#). But, if the user changes the default# to let's say 2,
and then decides to reset the page for whatever reason using the
browser's default refresh or reload button, the user-selected 2,
will change back to default# (or 0).
The reason is because for some reason, unknown to me, it is a
major part of my grade.
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[WSG] URL length best practices
Wondering if people have insights into the length of a url for an article, and whether or not it is recommended to complete the name of an article in the url. For instance: http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/10/do-collaborative-online-groups-need-to.html The name of this article is Do collaborative online groups need to be successful. The url above strips out be-successful. This may be the part of Blogger, or the author, but I've seen it in other instances with different Content Management systems as well. I personally would have added the additional words. Thoughts? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
i completely agree with Justin, and all points from just about everyone who responded, so thanks. A follow-up question is then do you paraphrase an article title into a url, or just chop it? /music/a-fresh-and-powerful-new-cd-from-the-most-influential/ or /music/influential-musician-new-cd/ where article title is: A fresh and powerful new CD from the most influential musician of our generation On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Bucci, Justin wrote: May also be worth considering the use of an alias URL that redirects the user to the desired location on the page. They're good for referencing URLs in non-electronic media as they're more descriptive, easier to remember, and easier for the user to correctly type into their browser's address bar. For example, http://ato.gov.au/ActivityStatements as opposed to http://ato.gov.au/businesses/pathway.asp?pc=001/003/001. Both URLs take you to the same location. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2008 12:41 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] More reasons to keep 'em short: 1. Makes it easy to quote URL (maybe over the phone) 2. I've seen a few email or publication programs break URLs where there's a line return, so breaks the hyperlink 3. Makes layout difficult for desktop publishers and marketing ie. www.chrisandhispetstore.com/what_i_keep_in_stock/supplies_for_birds/cage s_and_ornaments/full_product_list.htm 4. If it's longer than the width of the address bar then the whole URL is not visible. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute
with respect to both sides here, I have had numerous clients come to me requesting Contribute as a solution. I would say the reason, in every case i believe, is the cost. It's a 1 time fee of $99. I imagine, that if you can offer something comparable or cheaper to them, they would appreciate the recommendation and scrap Contribute if the other product(s) worked better, were easier to maintain and implement, etc. I would guess here that the client isn't dictating technology, but budget for CMS. I mean, what are the chances they've used a bunch of solutions, and settled that Contribute is the best and meets their workflow? My recommendation is to try something like http://www.cushycms.com/ which is also free and is a hosted solution. I've used this with pretty good success. It's not without it's limitation, but it's extremely easy to use and met the needs of one of my clients. You obviously could go with a more common solution like Expression Engine, or Wordpress, etc. I would find out why your client wants to use Contribute, and if you'd rather not use it, then your job is to find something comparable or better (hopefully for the same cost or less) and state your case. Mark Harris wrote: Joe Ortenzi wrote: Contribute is not about content management as much as it is about allowing an in-house web team to share tasks without a proper CMS deployed. Thus your coder can code and the content writer can write but it can be all wrapped within a team. This is, frankly, Web 1.0, and your time and their money is better served by getting a simple CMS deployed that meets with their scope and strategy and will be easier to manage for everyone, client included. With respect, this is so much bollocks. The manner of deployment is always the client's choice. If you can offer her something better, by all means offer, but it's arrogant to tell the client you have to do it this way. Many clients won't have an in-house web team - they'll have one person to whom maintaining the website is only 1/4 of their job. Some outfits are still coming to grips with how they should be using the web and need baby steps. While it's a designer's job to help educate them, you can't drag them kicking and screaming into something they're not ready for. Regards Mark Harris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Question about presenting numeric percentages and accessibility.
i would use the unicode entity for fractions: http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/mathchart.html#fractions so, 2/3 would be pcolour #8532; of natural.../p Hi all, Just a quick question. I'm writing up a website for a simple brochure site, and the copy I'm provided with refers to something 1/3 of total or colour 2/3 of natural and so on. And it just occured to me, would Number Slash Number (ie; 1/2) cause any issue in regards accessibility, be it screen readers or poor reading or math skills (the correct term for this alludes me for the moment, I'm thinking dyslexia, but not sure that correctly accounts for all potential users). As such I wondered if the abbr tag might be appropriate, or if anyone has a better, more suitable sugestion? Many thanks, John Unsworth. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] [IE7 Glitch] footer is expanding, and acting wonky with scrolling.
recently came across something similar, and was able to solve with a combination of display:inline-block; on the p and overflow:hidden; on the containing div. Might want to give that a shot. On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Margin is already set to zero. Removing the padding will fix it, but then there's no padding which defeats the purpose. Remove the p doesn't seem proper practice, and then applying padding to either div footer elements still causes the problem. Its just strange its only a problem with the footer and no other element with rounded corners on my page. I've come across this IE glitch I just can't find the solution to solve it again. 2008/10/9 Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a footer with rounded corners. I have a div.footer_wrap and div.footer for each corner. The technique worked already with all my other rounder corners. The only issue appears in the footer, maybe because its the only thing prone to scroll? Does anyone know what would fix this? I exhausted my self with various solutions. The live demo is here: http://monsterboxpro.com/dump/webtemp/index.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?
tee wrote: Wow, how glad I mentioned this. I had no idea there is short-cut for email. If I, who spends 10 hours a day working on computer don't know, chances are, most folks don't know either. So there is really a good reason to have 'back to top' implemented. On Sep 29, 2008, at 5:23 PM, David Dorward wrote: Dragging the scrollbar up to the top of the page is not really that much of a chore. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ I agree with David. In many cases, there are discussions below the last word in an article. So, do you add a link below the article content, as well as comments and discussion? How often to people really read all the way through an article and then navigate back to the top to find more? In a lot of cases people will find an article, read it, get what they need and move on. I guess in theory it's not bad practice, as long as it doesn't get in the way, but i don't think it's detrimental not to have one. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Uppercase Tag Names
it's irrelevant according to HTML 4 how you write the tags, so on one front, your instructor is ok to say you should code that way (as it does conform) but you have every right to say that he's *incorrect* when saying you need to so that you can conform to HTML 4.01. Tough spot to voice your opinion perhaps, but you're not wrong, and i would agree about your readability statement which might be a good point to make, since it can be written either way. Heck, it might be easier to use upper and lowercase: http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/structure.html#elements Also, attributes *names* (ie. WIDTH) are case-insensitive but attribute values may be case-sensitive. From: James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:38:39 +0100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Uppercase Tag Names I am at university at the moment, and they said to use uppercase text for tag names and lowercase for attributes. I have to do it because otherwise I will lose a mark. I disagreed (because it makes the source hard to read) but he said you need to so that you can conform to HTML 4.01. I think this a case of someone reading far to deep into the specs. I didn't really want to argue with him because he assumes I know nothing. I do know that the source code has become difficult to read using that method. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantics of a simple form
On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:28 PM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: im not an expert on this but should there be a fieldset or legend around this? not even sure if it qualifies as a form, although it has a submit button. h4Check-in Date:/h4 select name=... option value=101/option . /select select name=... id=... option selected=selected value=09|2008Sep 08/option . /select h4Check-out Date:/h4 select name=... option value=101/option ./select select name=... option selected=selected value=09|2008Sep 08/option . /select div class=button input type=submit name=... value=Search id=... / /div -thanks in advance kevin i assume there is a form tag wrapped around this you didn't include? Would obviously require that to qualify as a form. a fieldset is not required for a form to process, but certain doctypes require a fieldset to validate. I always use them as it typically makes the form easier to digest. A legend is not required for any doctype that i know of, but to me, help define the fieldset, rather than using the h4 as you have in your example. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background-Image not displaying in IE5 IE6
Kristine Cummins wrote:
I have a div container that has a background image (gradation)
which is
displaying fine in IE7 Mozilla, but it's not displaying in IE5
IE6.
http://www.cpwrehab.com/test/index.html
On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Add...
* html #container,
* html #headercontainer {
height: 1%; overflow: visible;
}
...to give old IE something it understands - a 'hasLayout' trigger
and a hint not to hide the overflow. That will fix the problems.
Clearing your main containing div did the trick for me, but requires
some extra markup. so i'd fly with Gunlaug's solution.
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Re: [WSG] Equidistant floats in a container
I need to float elements in a container so that they have the same
margin between them.
I've seen somewhere a technique how this can be done without
additional
classes, but can only remember part of it.
This works in Firefox and Chrome, but not in both IEs:
div ...
ul
licontent.../li
licontent.../li
licontent.../li
licontent.../li
licontent.../li
licontent.../li
/ul
/div
CSS: I want a 3px margin between the elements:
ul {list-style-type:none;margin-left:-3px}
ul li {float:right;margin:0 0 3px 3px}
While FF and Chrome show me the intended 3 elements x 2 row array in
the
container div, both IE show a 2x3 matrix. Somehow they get the margin
wrong, but I cannot remember how to cure this.
Any ideas?
If i understand correctly, you may want to add a width to both the UL
and the LI items:
ul {list-style-type:none;margin-left:-3px; width:600px;}
ul li {float:right;margin:0 0 3px 3px; width:196px;}
That should make sure that 3 list items fit inside the 600px wide UL
before wrapping to the next line. Would be easier to say for sure if
there was some code to view.
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Re: [WSG] DocType Given is... Document Looks Like...
Cole, can you post a url so people can see the validator results and review the code? Everything looks on the up-and-up from what you've posted. I've never used the FF HTML Validator extension (is it the one based on HTML Tidy?), so i can't speak for that. The Web Developer extension just pushes the page to the W3C validator. Please also verify which Validator of the 2 you're running into trouble with. On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:47 AM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello all – I’ve got the following doctype at the head of each of my pages: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en I take great pains to validate everything I do on every page, but, even if the page shows as valid (using FF’s HTML Validator extension – or Web Developer extension… I can’t remember which) when I view source on a “valid” page, I always get an info box that states: Info: Doctype given is -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Transitional I don’t think that this is – by any means – any reason for me to be worried about my code/structure/et. al, but I’ve always wondered why, if I feed a xhtml 1.0 STRICT doc type why the validator always says that my stuff looks TRANSITIONAL? Am I doing something wrong? Any insight would be appreciated. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] DocType Given is... Document Looks Like...
Cole, from what i can see, if i remove the comment after your head tag !--PUT THE PROPER LANGUAGE ID HERE?-- , it changes from content looks like transitional to a matching content looks like Strict. Seems in almost every case where i use that extension, it does give you some some message, i guess the hope is that what it recognizes matches what it interprets the page to be. Extension creator has this to say.. although doesn't help a ton: http://www.htmlpedia.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9t=66 cheers On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hi Todd – Link is here: http://www.koisis.com/.framework/-public/index.php Yes, I have verified that it’s HTML validator – which is based upon Tidy - extension that is giving me this info (it’s not an error or even a warning). As mentioned, all my pages do validate (as per HTML Validator) as I always get a green check mark and “0 errors / 0 warnings” at the bottom-right-hand corner of FF. As mentioned, no where near an emergency or a problem, but I am just curious. Cole From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Budnikas Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] DocType Given is... Document Looks Like... Cole, can you post a url so people can see the validator results and review the code? Everything looks on the up-and-up from what you've posted. I've never used the FF HTML Validator extension (is it the one based on HTML Tidy?), so i can't speak for that. The Web Developer extension just pushes the page to the W3C validator. Please also verify which Validator of the 2 you're running into trouble with. On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:47 AM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello all – I’ve got the following doctype at the head of each of my pages: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en I take great pains to validate everything I do on every page, but, even if the page shows as valid (using FF’s HTML Validator extension – or Web Developer extension… I can’t remember which) when I view source on a “valid” page, I always get an info box that states: Info: Doctype given is -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Transitional I don’t think that this is – by any means – any reason for me to be worried about my code/structure/et. al, but I’ve always wondered why, if I feed a xhtml 1.0 STRICT doc type why the validator always says that my stuff looks TRANSITIONAL? Am I doing something wrong? Any insight would be appreciated. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...
On Sep 3, 2008, at 6:19 AM, David Storey wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, at 11:42, tee wrote: On Sep 3, 2008, at 2:36 AM, David Storey wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, at 11:28, Regnard Raquedan wrote: Well, if it's akin to Safari, then it's as good as testing it there, right? :) Or is it...? No, it has a different JavaScript engine, and doesn't support a number of things the regular WebKit supports, such as text-shadow, @font-face and a few others. Does it support border-radius or -webkit-radius? no browsers support border-radius. It does support -webkit-border- radius, as far as I know (I'm running on Mac and parallels doesn't work on my 64-bit Vista, and I can't be bothered to do the few hours re-install process of Vista) -webkit-border-radius renders just fine. Running Chrome on XP on VMWare Fusion. http://www.css3.info/preview/rounded-border/ tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** David Storey Chief Web Opener, Product Manager Opera Dragonfly, Consumer Product Manager Opera Core, W3C Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group member Consumer Product Management Developer Relations Opera Software ASA Oslo, Norway Mobile: +47 94 22 02 32 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://my.opera.com/dstorey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
