Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?
From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:04:09 -0800 Subject: is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines? 1) Can anyone absolutely positively confirm that without legend a site will cause suffering to screen reader's user or cause a traumatic effect to accessibility? I think that whether or not a legend is essential depends on the length and content of your form. If it's a multipage extravaganza then legends would certainly have accessibility benefits, but if it's just a simple form, with no distinct sets of questions, then just correctly using labels etc would satisfy most people. Using headers, legends and labels to indicate the same information has got to be more of an annoyance than anything. I have found instances where a header, hidden legend, hidden label all read name. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Re: [WSG] First AttemptHi Susie, I always have used Dreamweaver in split view. I can also get all 'Teach Yourself' books from the libary tomorrow. Today I am going to study the links people have sent and read .Dreamweaver MX Trainig from the Source'. Thanks Susie! Kate - Original Message - From: Susie Gardner-Brown To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Seconded ... (or 10th, whatever!) You (one) really have to be able to handcode. I use Dreamweaver but I always have it open in both views, never just the design view, and I frequently swap into the code view only and work on it that way. It's the only way to see what's going on, and fix up things that aren't working. It's the only way to make sure you are making an accessible website. I seem to remember I originally learnt from a book called something like 'Teach yourself HTML in 14 days'. It worked! Plus there are heaps of places online where you can learn too. Some offer online tutorials like the ones mentioned here, plus plenty of others. Some places have 6-week courses that cost about $US25. eg http://www.lvsonline.com . I've done a few courses there and found them pretty good. I'm sure there are lots of other similar places. Good luck ... :) - susie On 25/11/08 1:59 AM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only way available if you want to get it right... ...although its a long road Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the excellent advice that others here have offered, I think you'll find it's quite easy to find your way, and to find others who will be happy to help when the going gets tough. Good luck! Andrew www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hello Mustafa, I guess for a first one, well second really. My first was back in 2000 with not even a table just images and text and someone gave me one or two awards lolol This new one should be a big improvement as I have learnt quite a lot from the lists I am on now. Its amazing how just watching questions and answers teaches you some of this stuff. HTML I am not too thick aabout but CSS apart from the very basic I *do need to study. I do need to study how frames work (naming) too. Many thanks Mustafa! Kate - Original Message - From: Mustafa Quilon To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Well, I started with Dreamweaver's design view, since, that was what I was thought. My first site was a table crap :) I didn't know what was going on. I decided to learn the nuts bolts of HTML. My next site was table based but with a valid code. Then, I joined various lists, communities and saw what really was going on. Thought myself CSS. My first CSS site took a fair amount of time and I faced lots of newbie issues. However, with a little bit of research I overcame them. Now, I just hate the thought of table based layouts. However, that is not the topic of discussion :) I still use Dreamweaver, with display styles switched off (View - Style Rendering - Display Styles). For some minor edits I use Textpad on a PC. Its just a matter of preference. Re: The link[1] Ron gave, it is a must-read for someone starting out in web development. Make sure you go through the curriculum. Re: Embedding Flash, I have used the flash satay method, however, swfobject [2] is the way forward. Also, read extensively on Web Accessibility, Usability and Progressive Enhancement. *watches out for that someone with a big stick* [1] Opera WS Curriculum - http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1-introduction-to-the-web-standards-cur/ [2] swfobject - http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/ - Mustafa *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] First Attempt
Hello, My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Sorry Link
http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Thanks, sorry I forgot the link in my earlier mail. Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hello Peter, I followed with another messge for the link but here it is: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Sorry.! Kate - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Hi What's the url? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at 9:55 PM, kate wrote: Hello, My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hi Rachel, Many thanks for your positive imput which gives me some incentive to carry this through. I have listened, looked and watch for answers to questions on one or two lists and feel maybe I am ready to wet toes (not feet yet) and venture into Web design to see how my first one goes. I need the tuts and links so thanks for those. I need to catch up with Peters mail which must still be at BT. Thanks Rachel I feel really positive now. Kate - Original Message - From: Rachel Radford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] First Attempt Hi Kate, For a first webpage you're doing pretty well - you have some images there and have changed the background colour and text colour on the page. However, using the Dreamweaver design view approach will not give you the best end results, or teach you the best practices. Peter's link gives you some really good tips on moving beyond the elementary use of Dreamweaver's design view, and point 5 - validate your page to find basic errors is a definite step you don't want to miss. Other than that, you may want to look at following online tutorials. For example, your menus can be enhanced by following some easy steps (for example, http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/horizontal_introduction.htm) which you can then edit as you like. You will be able to find many tutorials for page layout, table styling, menus etc. by searching Google and people here will also be able to give you pointers on good tutorials. Then moving forward when you feel more confident with editing the html css from these tutorials, you will be able to build your own menus and eventually the entire website from scratch based on your custom design :) All the best, Rachel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kate Sent: 24 November 2008 11:57 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Hello Peter, I followed with another messge for the link but here it is: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Sorry.! Kate - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Hi What's the url? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at 9:55 PM, kate wrote: Hello, My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Sorry Link
Thanks for the links Peter, Kate - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link Hi You might want to look at this tutorial by Drew Mclellan at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/extreme/five_steps.html You don't need DreamWeaver to do it. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at 10:00 PM, kate wrote: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Thanks, sorry I forgot the link in my earlier mail. Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hi Brett, Yes, I have sen the starter pages , thanks. I also like the 3 column left nav because remember that awesome menu that Macromedia did? Well, you get that with that 3 column. I know you can buy it from Adobe too. Now the starter pages and the page designs CSS I was never sure if we could actually use them or if they were there as examples only. I am a member at Ozzu Webmaster forums and they just started tuts for Web design. Anyway Brett, many thanks for your imput and help! Kate - Original Message - From: Brett Patterson To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt As someone who has read the post, in Dreamweaver 8, to follow along with Todd's statement, choose (File -- New) and under the General tab choose Starter Pages. You may choose from the list DW8 has. The rest I agree with. Try learning some of the code from the pre-existing sites, modify one section of code in Code/Design view, hit the refresh button in the properties menu at the bottom, and see/study the results. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and xhtml by hand, but learned to build websites in Dreamweaver, I would say Rachel's approach might be difficult for some. This being your first website Kate, I would say to use some of the better tools Dreamweaver offers and learn from them. For instance in Dreamweaver CS3 you can create a new html page (File New), choose New HTML page type and then you can select from some css based Layouts. I think that's a great place to start. From there you should read up on some articles, pay attention to what happens as you experiment and modify things, etc. Design-based approach in Dreamweaver can be detrimental if you never learn what's behind it, but I think it's a great way to get started as long as you learn from what it offers. I'll probably get some backlash on this. I'm not saying Dreamweaver even does a really good job of writing markup or css when you are working in design-view, but it gives a good place to start. Also, I'd recommend using Split view so you can start to see the code changes and get comfortable with it as you interact with the design. On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Rachel Radford wrote: Hi Kate, For a first webpage you're doing pretty well - you have some images there and have changed the background colour and text colour on the page. However, using the Dreamweaver design view approach will not give you the best end results, or teach you the best practices. Peter's link gives you some really good tips on moving beyond the elementary use of Dreamweaver's design view, and point 5 - validate your page to find basic errors is a definite step you don't want to miss. Other than that, you may want to look at following online tutorials. For example, your menus can be enhanced by following some easy steps (for example, http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/horizontal_introduction.htm) which you can then edit as you like. You will be able to find many tutorials for page layout, table styling, menus etc. by searching Google and people here will also be able to give you pointers on good tutorials. Then moving forward when you feel more confident with editing the html css from these tutorials, you will be able to build your own menus and eventually the entire website from scratch based on your custom design :) All the best, Rachel -Original Message- I followed with another messge for the link but here it is: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Sorry.! Kate My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
quote Todd As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and xhtml by hand end quote Wow! You hand code. Well Todd I salute you. Thanks for the feedback and advice and although its a long road I am not afraid to try what I have set out to achieve given time. There is a lot of DW help available which is my preferred editor. At each stage of the design I will put it through the validator and know enough to test in as many browsers as possible as I go. This morning I sent the first link but the background color was wrong so I had to change it for IE. It was fine in FF . I bought two DW books and will read and digest. One book in particular I like as it has the C-D - DW2004 - Training from the Source. That should help some way. I can also borrow the latest books from my libary. I am slowly learning CSS too Thanks again Todd! Kate --- On Mon, 24/11/08, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Monday, 24 November, 2008, 3:19 PM As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and xhtml by hand, but learned to build websites in Dreamweaver, I would say Rachel's approach might be difficult for some. This being your first website Kate, I would say to use some of the better tools Dreamweaver offers and learn from them. For instance in Dreamweaver CS3 you can create a new html page (File New), choose New HTML page type and then you can select from some css based Layouts. I think that's a great place to start. From there you should read up on some articles, pay attention to what happens as you experiment and modify things, etc. Design-based approach in Dreamweaver can be detrimental if you never learn what's behind it, but I think it's a great way to get started as long as you learn from what it offers. I'll probably get some backlash on this. I'm not saying Dreamweaver even does a really good job of writing markup or css when you are working in design-view, but it gives a good place to start. Also, I'd recommend using Split view so you can start to see the code changes and get comfortable with it as you interact with the design. On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Rachel Radford wrote: Hi Kate, For a first webpage you're doing pretty well - you have some images there and have changed the background colour and text colour on the page. However, using the Dreamweaver design view approach will not give you the best end results, or teach you the best practices. Peter's link gives you some really good tips on moving beyond the elementary use of Dreamweaver's design view, and point 5 - validate your page to find basic errors is a definite step you don't want to miss. Other than that, you may want to look at following online tutorials. For example, your menus can be enhanced by following some easy steps (for example, http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/horizontal_introduction.htm) which you can then edit as you like. You will be able to find many tutorials for page layout, table styling, menus etc. by searching Google and people here will also be able to give you pointers on good tutorials. Then moving forward when you feel more confident with editing the html css from these tutorials, you will be able to build your own menus and eventually the entire website from scratch based on your custom design :) All the best, Rachel -Original Message- I followed with another messge for the link but here it is: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Sorry.! Kate My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Thanks Bruce, Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher. I never knew then about testing in different browsers and I really don't think he did either. One day someone sent a mail to me to say did I know its the only browser your site works in *is IE5...honest to God Bruce when I put it in Validator (someone said to) there was over 400 errors. That lol was my first hard lesson learnt. I would not know how to hand code in Notepad but I am impressed by people that can..who knows I may try it. Thanks Bruce! Kate - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only way available if you want to get it right... ...although its a long road Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the excellent advice that others here have offered, I think you'll find it's quite easy to find your way, and to find others who will be happy to help when the going gets tough. Good luck! *** 12 years ago on asking advice in starting down this road, a very wise engineer told me, Always code by hand. Use notepad or similar... While that was a difficult undertaking, it is the best advice I have had. I still use a basic editor on occasion, one such as cute html or similar is actually fine. Everyone has their fav, and that's ok, as long as it doesn't do everything for you and one learns nothing. But I have developed a system and basic web standards template system that works, so I have many examples of what I use all the time for clients set in new templates. Now I mostly work with a CMS such as ExpressionEngine and have developed a Web Standards template system that I modify as needed for all my clients. I firmly believe that reinventing the wheel for every site is not the best practice. And that browser hacks may be sometimes required. A lot of the time not, and we may end up using them to save time. When one gets a solid foundation and understanding that hand coding offers, one is never stuck in understanding the underlining principles and what is wrong when things just don't work as expected. I don't know why it don't work, dreamweaver did it isn't the way to impress clients! lol Best viewed in anything you want is a good label to apply to your sites, and perhaps what Web Standards is all about. Good luck, do it the hard way and you will know the road well. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hya Ron, Thanks for the link to Opera, I did dl the software two weeks ago and have an Opera blog but don't have time to do much with it. The link will be great though. At this moment I am trying to understand by looking at the code why my swf works just fine in Swish and DW but is a white background only in notepad/IE. I am ok with that as its just testing and looking what appears in notepad and (whispers) what appears different in DW.. Thanks Ron! Kate - Original Message - From: Ron Zisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt kate, thought i'd throw in my two cents. firstly i was in your position a couple years ago, using dreamweaver. at a certain point i realized i didn't know what i was doing or what was going wrong when things didn't view properly. i hadn't heard anything about box models, didn't know what padding or margins were, and basically didn't understand anything about html. so i set dreamweaver aside and took the plunge. fortunately on the css-d list, someone was kind enough to take me under their wing and hold my hand... much like you are receiving here. it was a steep climb, yet i still have a few hairs left on my head. Opera has a good introduction to web design that might provide an overview. good luck. http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1-introduction-to-the-web- standards-cur/ --ron On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Bruce wrote: kate wrote: Thanks Bruce, Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher. I never knew then about testing in different browsers and I really don't think he did either. One day someone sent a mail to me to say did I know its the only browser your site works in *is IE5...honest to God Bruce when I put it in Validator (someone said to) there was over 400 errors. That lol was my first hard lesson learnt. I would not know how to hand code in Notepad but I am impressed by people that can..who knows I may try it. Thanks Bruce! Kate a help I came across 3 years ago was Layout Gala, a series of layouts by Alessandro Fulciniti. http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ I found looking at these in an editor, and making changes such as adding inner div's taught me a lot. They have been rock solid across all browsers and op systems. I'm not saying everyone should make all sites with these, but saying these and others done by members here are a definite shortcut to learning, preferred from stating by scrating your head and looking at a blank screen in an editor lol. Of course there are many other methods that can and should be learned, and sites such as maxdesign and positioniseverything, (and many others in this group!), have a ton of important and vital information. To be the best, learn from the best... Bruce *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Thanks Hassan, I am trying to create with notepad the images are fine as is the text but testing a swf which refuses to show anything but a white space. I believe there is a problem with swf in IE and FF. All good things come to those that wait so they tell me. Everyone has been very kind since I asked and I am very grateful for their replies ( yours too) and links to tuts are going to be a great help to me in the months to come.. Kate - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code. You realize many people started developing web sites before anything like DreamWeaver even existed -- when the *only* option was opening up a file in vi or emacs or whatever text editor and hand coding? It's not rocket science, honest. And the sooner you throw aside the crutch of WYSIWYG design, the better developer you'll be. Certainly, in a /web standards/ context, you'll be looking more at the semantics of your content and markup, rather than drawing pretty pictures :-) FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Thanks Bruce Agree BOT, I can now from the help get learning. Thankyou! Kate - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt kate wrote: Thanks Hassan, I am trying to create with notepad the images are fine as is the text but testing a swf which refuses to show anything but a white space. I believe there is a problem with swf in IE and FF. All good things come to those that wait so they tell me. Everyone has been very kind since I asked and I am very grateful for their replies ( yours too) and links to tuts are going to be a great help to me in the months to come.. Kate for flash, paths to the files is a normal error that causes that. Depending if it's on your desktop or on the web, there is security on access to local vs remote files to consider as well. If it is a blank space likely the swf file cannot be found If online a link usually solves it ;) Hopefully this can get back on web standards topic...or someone may come along with a big stick...lol bruce bkdesign *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Browser loading images issue
Working fine first load Kristine in the UK Winxp: SP2 1680x1050 IE6 Kate Forum: http://princess.invisionzone.com/index.php Borneo: http://simplyborneo.com/borneosnaturaltreasures/ - Original Message - From: Kristine Cummins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [WSG] Browser loading images issue Hi all, I'm still having this issue as the client is contacting about images simply not showing up but on refresh, they do. Frustrating as I don't know how to solve this issue. The page is http://www.cpwrehab.com/employee_listing.html Stylesheet is: http://www.cpwrehab.com/styles.css Thanks, Kristine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristine Cummins Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Browser loading images issue I noticed that sometimes some images will not load upon visiting a page while others on the page will, but when I hit the browser's refresh button, the image will load. This was happening in IE, but no other browser. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this issue? Thanks, Kristine *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...
Works great for my needs, I can use Google's Gmail to delete and send mail at home..I like it! Kate - Original Message - From: Anton Babushkin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through Chrome right now :) Its a brilliant browser, a true innovation to the way we use the web. Too bad Java and Shockwave don't work on it yet. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed. However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google. (e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!) On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame. If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is going to take off big time. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - Anton Babushkin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Images Paragraph Width
Hi,
I had a quick look on Google:
html
head
style
!--
.textborder {border: 1px solid black; padding: 2px;}
--
/style
/head
body
span class=textborderHere you go/span
/body
/html
Not sure if it works.
A link or two:
http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/CSS/css1p8.html
http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/styling-form-controls-revisited/text-input-single/
Kate
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From: Aldona [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:39 AM
Subject: [WSG] Images Paragraph Width
Hi,
I have a problem which I feel like I should know but apparently don't. :-)
I have an image which my CSS doesn't know (and will never know) the size
of. The image is in a paragraph with the class of 'img'.
p class=imgimg src=images/image.gif alt=pic /br /Regular
Image/p
What I want to do is put a border around the paragraph (not the image so
it goes around the text as well). What happens is the border winds up the
width of the whole page even though I have margin and padding set to zero.
The CSS is:
p.img{
padding: 0.3em;
margin: 0em;
border: 2px solid red;
font-size: 0.9em;
}
How can I stop the border stretching the entire width of the page.
Unfortunately in this case float is not an option and I have a limitation
in that the HTML needs to remain as basic as possible. The CSS can be as
complicated as anything but the HTML needs to be simple.
Hopefully someone will have come across this problem before and be able to
point me in the right direction.
Thanks to all.
IceKat.
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Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites
In Australia, websites are covered by Disability Discrimination legislation, Wow! Idon't think ours are (UK) Keep it quiet, It does'nt take much here to start a lawsuit. I think most webmaster/ess would follow the Disability code of practice anyway. And, if there is anything about you -- you would want your site accessable by all., after all you all work hard enough on them. Kate - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:07 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites Hi Tee In Australia, websites are covered by Disability Discrimination legislation, although there has only been one successful suit to date. Bruce Maguire was awarded damages of $20,000 against SOCOG in 2000: full details here: http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/decisions/comdec/2000/DD000120.htm Note that the target was not by any measure a 'small business'. HREOC provides advisory notes http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 12:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what Under British law, can individual who brings a case under the DDA and the lawyer seek monetary compensation? Couple months ago a handful of ADA lawsuits handled by a same lawyer. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/13/carollloyd.DTLh w=disability+lawsuitsn=001sc=1000 If lawyer and plaintiff can seek monetary compensation, I honestly hope no ADA/DDA law ever applies to website. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites
Oh are they Patrick? Your so knowledgable its frightening...hehehe Thanks Kate http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ - Original Message - From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites kate wrote: In Australia, websites are covered by Disability Discrimination legislation, Wow! Idon't think ours are (UK) Yes, they are. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music
Auto start false then let the audience choose if to play or not. Kate http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music On a more positive note - you could point out that having an embedded player would allow the band to offer the user a choice of music, which would be a better option than alienating many users. (Offering a client a 'better option' usually goes down a lot better than 'don't do that!') From an accessibility angle, it shouldn't be too hard to see that those people who are going to be most affected by this, ie those using a screen reader on top of a normal browser, are likely to be those least able to deal with turning if off, whatever the mechanism. As others have said, the easiest option for most users is to kill the browser/window/tab. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prisca schmarsow Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:09 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music Hi, same here - I personally hate autoplay on site, I'm gone in a sec I also think this does affect anyone - personal preference or not - people can be caught out by this, in office environments (as mentioned before) as well as impaired users And though a band site might warrant the autoplay - I'd still try to allow site visitor's to be in control of whether or not to listen to the music. As the site is about music - a clearly visible player is likely to be included anyway, allowing easy access to the band's tracks. Not sure what the guidelines say on this - but when I teach best practices for webdesign I advise my students to always give the user the control and not bombard them with anything they might not expect. Just my thoughts... Prisca On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Nancy Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I come to a site with music playing, I leave it immediately without looking at the site. I don't know best practices, but I believe the user needs to be in control. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nick Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning James, If it helps, what you will find is the typical user experience on band websites is that the audio player automatically starts within 2-3 seconds of the site fully loading. The file size of the player and the audio file are both small so the site isn't slow when being viewed on the user's end. An important thing to keep in mind that the user always needs to have the option to adjust the volume and to start/stop/pause the music. If that is not a feature the user will get annoyed and could potentially leave the site just as quickly as they got there! I hope this helps and have a great day! Nicholas Taylor Web Strategy Systems Manager Purdue University South Campus Courts, Building D 507 Harrison Street West Lafayette, IN 47907 (765) 496-6864 office (765) 494-0793 fax (616) 634-9193 mobile On 8/15/08 10:14 AM, James Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if you feel that is more appropriate. I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage loading a music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable for a bands website or would you think that you should always get the user to initiate playback? Thanks James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music
Love it lolol Its my era of course Kate - Original Message - From: Dennis Lapcewich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music IMHO, an unacceptable autoplay web site: ** AutoPlay Loud Music Warning! Turn DOWN your speakers! ** http://www.daveclarkfive.com ** AutoPlay Loud Music Warning! Turn DOWN your speakers! ** Dennis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?]
Dwain said: it looked just like it does on a computer. What did you expect Dwain..lolol What does look awesome is my Wordpress on Plasma 42 on a lounge wall *OMG! Kate - Original Message - From: dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: web standards group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: [WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?] my cousin is visiting from oregon and he has the new att iphone. we looked at my web site on it and i must say that i was really surprised. it looked just like it does on a computer. the xhtml and css validate. i used no special css for mobile devices. i'm sure that i have a semantically correct document. this was a big surprise for me. this was the first time i had seen my web site on a cell phone. it was very exciting. i hope that other mobile devices follow suit of the new iphone so coding for developers will be simple, quick and easy and no multiple style sheets for computers and mobile devices. dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?]
Hi Dwain, I guess yea, it would have looked messy without the CSS...never thought of that. I hav'nt looked on my Samsung but I did see mine on my old Nokia. which I thought was really cool then. I think you can look at any Web now on a cell phone. I also got word from BT this morning about BTtogo. Its a handset that allows Broadband on the move. http://www.filesaveas.com/bttogo.html Last week I saw that you don't even need a landline as a simcard allows broadband. Technology does'nt keep static. Kate - Original Message - From: dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?] On 8/4/08, kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dwain said: it looked just like it does on a computer. What did you expect Dwain..lolol i really didn't know what to expect, that's why it was such a surprise. i don't know, maybe i expected the css not to work and the page would display would display as xhtml without the css. like i said, i had never seen my web site or any other web site on a mobile device. dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Salute
Welcome to WSG list Adejumo, Hope you learn lots of Web Design. Kate http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ - Original Message - From: Bidemi Adejumo To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: [WSG] Salute Hello Pple, Am a new member in the house, a web developer and Geography Remote Sensing student in one of Nigerias' universities and need help on web portal creation. Peace Adejumo Bidemi -- Love to be Loved! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our people like it its got to be awesome...hahaahah) But FF said it had a problem and would not allow in FF3. Glad you mentioned Firebug Jason - thanks! Kate - Original Message - From: Jason Grant To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Ken, Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3 at least. This was at the Mozilla site. Kate - Original Message - From: Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Can some kind person tell me.. ..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC. Thanks Kate - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Got it now thanksFirebug Kate - Original Message - From: Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Got it Cortney thanks! Great little addon it is too. Kate - Original Message - From: Cortney Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Nope - I have firebug n FF 2 and am on a PC (I also have a slew of other awesome extensions too) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kate Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Can some kind person tell me.. ..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC. Thanks Kate - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help with div tags in Dreamweaver CS3
Hello Sue, Have a look at css-discuss site: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Kate http://jungaling.com/bichons/ http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ http://simplyborneo.com/gardenforums/ http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ - Original Message - From: Susan Levin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: [WSG] Help with div tags in Dreamweaver CS3 Hello everyone. I am pretty new to Dreamweaver and CSS and Flash. I have created pieces for a new website and I desperately want to make the jump to using CSS for all placement...but don't know where to start. My client is patiently waiting and I am pulling my hair out by now. A comp of what I am trying to get my master page to look like can be found here: http://www.thewowfactorcakes.com/comp.html And here is the page that is up and waiting for some placement help: http://www.thewowfactorcakes.com/ I need first of all the make the white background go away for both the handwriting swf file and the fade in and fade out images file below that. I created this page from a one column fixed centered template in Dreamweaver CS3. Can anyone come to my rescue? Sincerely, mango2020 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1499 - Release Date: 6/12/2008 7:13 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called the attribute tag. Kate - Original Message - From: Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM: Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real 'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight to me... Hi Tom, I may be wrong here but I've always worked on the premise that alt is alternative text for when the image isn't available (For whatever reason) and the title is the title of the image. An example would be alt=Customer Care Logo title=We Care about you However as I am always learning I may learn something here today. Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 5/26/2008 3:23 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
because users like Sven disable it by default No disrespect to Sven but that must be the pits to take the very long learning curve: Create the Flash: Then along comes 'A Visitor' and disable all your hard work..*doh Kate http://jungaling.com/bichons/ http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ http://simplyborneo.com/gardenforums/ http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ - Original Message - From: Sam Sherlock To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Full flash websites As many have already commented I apply caution when using flash (because of it creates extra work, because users like Sven disable it by default and much more besides) The thing is some clients care initially more for the visual appeal (things bouncing around etc) of websites and not for features that improve the accessibility or user experience overall. others have made points about ensuring content is available to all. In a lot of cases it is possible to display the same content in a no flash format (server side scripting helps a great deal - not writing script srcs or codeblocks to the page [setting this in a user setting session var]) I make use of swfObject to replace a summary of the content that the swf displays, often with links to further info of the extent of work produced by this can mushroom, and become unwieldy. admittedly this is much easier if the site is not full browser flash, but if the site is small and all the content is loaded in dynamically Flash can recreate (often poorly) things that are achieved with traditional html - deep linking And this is then an aspect of the site that must be cared for, increasing the overall complexity (and therefore potential err) - there if a lot to bear in mind here also there is shadowbox (by Michael Jackson [not the former jackson 5 pop sensation]) that does a real nice job in displaying all kinds of content lightbox (lokesh dhakar) style of the page - this is what Ben Buchanan was refering to I think - http://mjijackson.com/shadowbox/index.html - S 2008/5/6 Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists think about full flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for flash in general?? Accessibility and search engine visibility of Flash in most cases is zero. I've only heard of one Flash site that was considered accessible and it made a lot of news at the time! Flash only reliably works for users with no physical or technical barriers; and search engines can't read Flash in any useful manner. I generally don't like the usability aspects either - that's subjective I guess, but I've found Flash is generally used when someone thought HTML didn't make them look cool enough. Which means they wanted lots of stuff to bounce and flash and so on ;) Essentially you should only ever add a Flash layer over the top of XHTML; and give users the choice between the two. Flash isn't evil, but *only offering Flash* is evil. -ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 05/05/2008 06:01 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Colour accessibility/ usability
Every month I get a statement in Red print and every month I think I am in debt or they are writing to warn me about something that is overdue. Except this month. I have changed bank. I was sat here on a bank holiday bored out my scull till I read that..ahahahaha Good on ya about changing ya bank Jane. Kate http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ - Original Message - From: ROBEY,Jane To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:38 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Colour accessibility/ usability Well, apart from what has already been said, I have a personal experience of being on the receiving end of a Red brand. I bank with HSBC, who in Australia have Red and Grey as their brand colours. Every month I get a statement in Red print and every month I think I am in debt or they are writing to warn me about something that is overdue. Except this month. I have changed bank. Regards Jane -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Simpson Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 12:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Colour accessibility/ usability Hi, We've been asked to change our colour scheme on our websites to fit into our corporate colour scheme. We currently use blue, and the colour we've been asked to change to is now red. Our site will be using a solid background, with white for the content area (along the lines of news.com.au). Our concern is that such a large amount of red may cause accessibility/ usability issues (we are not only talking about the background colour but also the navigation). We may possibly have some say into the shading of the red, but for the moment think of a nice bright colour (#A80D35). What we need more information about is how the colour red can affect readability. I have done research, and I know about the w3c colour contrast algorithm. I've also had a look at the psychology of the different colours and that red is associated with anger and intensity. What I am wanting to know, does anyone have any failure/ success stories of using a large amount of red on a site without it adversely affecting users. We also wanted to know if there was a particular range that might cause headaches in some users. I would also be interested to know of any research into what borders on acceptable luminosity. For example, I know in a couple of mockups that we have done, the red has been very glary, and makes focusing on the content quite difficult. Unfortunately, this being a personal opinion, we need the research to back it up with. Any help that you can give will be appreciated. Regards, Linda *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***Notice: The information contained in this email message and any attached files may be confidential information, and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this email is unauthorised. If you received this email in error, please notify the DEEWR Service Desk and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 03/05/2008 11:22 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
Hi, A forum I used to go to uesd to say some HTML and Flash. Maybe this site helps a little bit: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20001029.html Or: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200610/full_flash_websites_and_seo/ Kate http://jungaling.com/bichons/ http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ - Original Message - From: Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: [WSG] Full flash websites The company I worl with has a big love for full flash websites and we have produced some very nice but heavy and slow ones. What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists think about full flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for flash in general?? I am personally and professionally against them as they cut of the usabiity, have bad accessibility and for me the navigation most often i very difficult and difficult to use. Michael Persson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 05/05/2008 06:01 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image links
Hi Dwain,
Yes true. I wanted to say really that the choice is yours as to color just put
it the css example. But I was'nt sure how to do it on its own so I wrote the
lot.
I am as a learner so bear with me please..:D but yes the original poster
wanted an underline.
What about A List Apart?
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customunderlines/
And:
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=prevent+the+underline+on+image++go=form=QBRE
MADDIE MACCANN - A year ago today- still missing!
Kate
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- Original Message -
From: dwain
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Image links
On 5/2/08, kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or like this:
img {
margin: 3px;
padding: 3px;
border: 2px solid #BAB089;
background-color: #D1C9AA;
}
The above CSS is in reply to always being blue. Well no not if you state
what you want for the border color in your CSS.
yeah, i went back and saw my problem. it seems the color i thought was red
was really blue. had my hex figures backwards.
with your example you have a border around the image. i thought that the
original poster wanted an underline. with a 3px bottom padding stated you get
the underline.
dwain
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Re: [WSG] Image links
Or like this:
img {
margin: 3px;
padding: 3px;
border: 2px solid #BAB089;
background-color: #D1C9AA;
}
The above CSS is in reply to always being blue. Well no not if you state what
you want for the border color in your CSS.
Courtesy of Xenoria Wordpress theme.
Test it. Its a beige color.
MADDIE MACCANN - MAY 3RD 2007
Kate
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- Original Message -
From: dwain
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Image links
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
it should be:
a img {
}
to underline an image the css is: a img {border-bottom:xpx solid #xx;} i
have found that the border is always blue though no matter what color value you
assign, unless i'm missing something here.
dwain
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[WSG] Spam mail got through?
Hi I just got an e-mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friend We mainly sell electrical product . such as digital cameras, mobile,LCD TV,xbox, Laptops,DV,Mp4, GPS, and so on.All items come with 12month international warranty . If you want to buy something , please contact us freely , It looked suspeciously like spam to me. Has it come from WSG? Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Spam mail got through? ADMIN
Thanks Russ and Andrew, I will keep your mail Russ as the help link is in the mail you sent. Kate - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Spam mail got through? ADMIN ADMIN Apologies to all for this post. The person responsible for the email has been removed from our list. As Andrew says, please let us know if you have problems rather than post to the list (to avoid additional traffic for members) - using the email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Russ on 28/4/08 5:36 AM, kate at wrote: Hi I just got an e-mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friend We mainly sell electrical product . such as digital cameras, mobile,LCD TV,xbox, Laptops,DV,Mp4, GPS, and so on.All items come with 12month international warranty . If you want to buy something , please contact us freely , It looked suspeciously like spam to me. Has it come from WSG? Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] help with background color
Simple solution - turn computer off then bed! People who ask for the help you could give are totally unaware of how your hormones are flowing at a given time. Kate - Original Message - From: Сергей Кириченко [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] help with background color sorry, too tired and too angry =( Rick Faircloth пишет: Chill, out... and watch the language... Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ?? ? Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] help with background color wtf! wrap name in some elemnts/ and give it needed bg wtf! Laert Jansen пишет: Hello everyone! I am looking for some help here. I want to apply a background to the names of the clients on my website (www.laertjansen.com http://www.laertjansen.com) I did it to the text on the top ..there´s a black background..and I want a blue bg on the client´s name but its not working. How do I do this? I attached an image to show what I want to do Thanks a lot! -- Laert Jansen www.laertjansen.com http://www.laertjansen.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1397 - Release Date: 25/04/2008 07:42 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] :: Footer not resting at bottom of page ::
Thats the site I said to take a look at. Looks like my mail did'nt get there.
Kate
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http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/
- Original Message -
From: Matijs
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] :: Footer not resting at bottom of page ::
The (imho) best way to do this is by using the Man in Blue's FooterStickAlt:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Amrinder,
I would recommend this solution; it was given to me from a member of this
list a few months ago and worked great.
http://dusan.fora.si/blog/how-to-move-that-footer-to-the-bottom
Best Regards,
Tim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ??
?
Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 4:00 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] :: Footer not resting at bottom of page ::
#wrapper {
min-height:100%;
} is not enough
+
* html #wrapper {
height:100%;
}
html, body{
height:100%;
}
#footer {
margin-top:-50px;/* margintop = -(this height)*/
}
2008/4/22, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have problem with the footer of my website: www.awayback.com it is not
staying at bottom of the page. Things are fine in case of low
resolution i.e. 1024x768 but in high resolution screens (1200x1024)
footer is hanging mid way and not at bottom of the page.
Hi Amrider,
I would suggest adding another div id=wrapper around div id=masthead
... div id=footer with a min-height of 100%:
div#wrapper {
min-height: 100%;
}
This should keep the footer at the bottom of the page on short pages.
Best regards,
Kepler Gelotte
Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
www.neighborwebmaster.com
phone/fax: (732) 302-0904
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Re: [WSG] help with background color
Hi Laert, Something like at W3C? http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_background-color Kate http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ - Original Message - From: Laert Jansen To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: [WSG] help with background color Hello everyone! I am looking for some help here. I want to apply a background to the names of the clients on my website (www.laertjansen.com) I did it to the text on the top ..there´s a black background..and I want a blue bg on the client´s name but its not working. How do I do this? I attached an image to show what I want to do Thanks a lot! -- Laert Jansen www.laertjansen.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1397 - Release Date: 25/04/2008 07:42 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Client cannot view website
Hello, Check firewall, antivirus, zone alarm. Computer settings. desktop -properties - settings. Hope this helps Kate http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ - Original Message - From: Lynette Smith To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: [WSG] Client cannot view website I hope this post is allowed. Just had a call from a client to say he cannot see all of his website. He does not seem very computer literate. He says he can see the first bit ( header and the navigation bar underneath the header), but below is just a green blank page. I can see nothing wrong with the site which has been up for ages and am thinking it is his computer though I have no idea what could be wrong. He uses IE. Is there anything I can get him to check.. Url is www.bourkebridgeinn.com.au Thanks Lyn www.westernwebdesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] RE: NVU
lolol Got it last night but prefer Dreamweaver which I now have. Kate - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [WSG] RE: NVU Don't mean to be negative, but NVU is a pretty poor choice: even its own home page admits that! (Last release was 2005, and that should never have been classed as version 1, and no development work being undertaken.) As far as I can see, the best choice on the open source route is SeaMonkey. Regards, Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregorio Espadas Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Nvu is a great choice. I use Bluefish and Komodo Edit, both great, both opensource, both free. Gregorio Espadas gespadas [at] gmail [dot] com On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Delilah Hinman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also try out Nvu (http://nvu.com), which is a free WYSIWYG editor. Just a thought. *;; Delilah Hinman Viere Media . com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1364 - Release Date: 07/04/2008 18:38 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Dreamweaver8
Nancy Gill hi, Where will I get the dl for Dreamweaver8 please? I can't find it at Adobe.I don't really want CS3 because its heavy on CPU, or what things can I take out of CS3? Thanks Nancy! Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8
Thanks Nancy, I do have some Web mags I bought last year there should be one on there as the mag is Dreamweaver monthly or was. I was looking on the Web and found this lol don't know who it was - no name: The latest version of Dreamweaver - Dreamweaver 8 - has been launched today. I was lucky enough to be involved with the Beta and so have been working with this new version for several months. So, is it worth the upgrade? http://www.rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2005/09/13/dreamweaver-8/ Oh wait Nancy..could be Drew M??? Now, where did I put those mags :D Thanks Nancy! Kate - Original Message - From: Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8 Hi Kate: Adobe doesn't offer downloads of older versions once a newer version has come out. The only way I know to get a 30 day trial at this point is to find a CD with a 30 day trial of it on a Dreamweaver 8 book .. many of them come with CDs that contain sample files and a trial of the program. Of course, after the 30 days, the upgrade would be to CS3 so then you would be back where you started. Perhaps you could also find one on EBay or in a 3rd party store on clearance .. be careful especially with the former that it's not a bootlegged copy but comes with a valid serial. AFAIK, those are about the only options since DW8 is a version and a half behind. Nancy - Original Message - From: kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: [WSG] Dreamweaver8 Nancy Gill hi, Where will I get the dl for Dreamweaver8 please? I can't find it at Adobe.I don't really want CS3 because its heavy on CPU, or what things can I take out of CS3? Thanks Nancy! Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 7:53 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 05/04/2008 07:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8
Hi Krystian, Ebay lol yes, I looked there today but somehow i'm never sure if the software would be all there when you bought it. I'll look at your Aptana Studio so thanks for that. Kate - Original Message - From: Krystian - Sunlust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8 Yeah, you can get Dreamweaver 8 on Ebay, but I couldn't find any legal links for download. To be honest, I wouldn't use Dreamweaver, I use Aptana Studio and from the coding side it works great and it's free. Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Freelance on the side: Sunlust Designs - http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer at SME System Solutions Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 05/04/2008 07:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8
Nope Nancy no experience at all with anything except Dreamweaver. I learnt some DW last year with a CS3 trial but its a bit heavy like I mentioned. I should find a DW8 tomorrow in a mag. Ah I was right about Drew is'nt he from 'All in the Head' too? Funny name for a site lolol Kate. - Original Message - From: Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8 I'll look at your Aptana Studio so thanks for that. Aptana Studio looks and works much like Eclipse .. if you have any experience with Flex Builder .. then it would be good to look at. Nancy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 05/04/2008 07:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Site review
Hi Andrew, The site looks nice. I put the address into W3C Validator and its passed the 4.01 Transitional but has 23 warnings..strange.. Maybe the other members can explain, anyway its anice site and looks fine in FF. I am on the following: Win XP 1680x1050 SP2 IE Kate Bichon Frise: http://jungaling.com/kynismarmissmillie/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Good News and longdesc info
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Re: [WSG] Good News and longdesc info
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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
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