RE: [WSG] Where is browser compatibility in wcag?

2009-04-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] to be accessible the site doesn't necessarily have to look great, but at least the content should show up in all browsers, even the old ones, right? Well, just talking WCAG 2, the requirement would be to use accessibility-supported technologies (see

RE: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
designer Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites? The only one I can find is IE only: I know you're probably asking because a client insists on having it, but...have we not evolved yet beyond

RE: [WSG] a WCAG 2.0 question

2009-03-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jon Gunderson I think this requirement is a little out dated, screen readers today do a good job of telling people that a new window is open. But, as discussed, the requirement actually doesn't concern itself directly with links popping up new windows, but more things like the page all of a

RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
Chris F.A. Johnson On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: 1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from the user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel. Button elements are styled by the

RE: [WSG] Code scan, complient to guidelines version 2.0

2009-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
David Dorward I use siteSifter - http://www.sitesifter.co.uk/ With the usual caveat that automated testing tools can flag up false positives and false negatives (for instance, on one site I just ran through the free sitesifter service, it flagged the lack of Content-Language in the HTTP header

RE: [WSG] Copyright Issues

2009-02-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
James Milligan What about coming up with your own?Not meaning to sound rude, but it could be an opportunity for you. +1 Particularly since, if I remember correctly, you already ended up with the same problem with your startrek-related site that forced you to take it offline? P

RE: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bringing it all back to the core question: cite is an optional attribute, so can be omitted when using the blockquote element. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK

RE: [WSG]WCAG 2.0 enlarging text to 200% ?

2008-12-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Heather With WCAG 2.0 finally coming out yesterday - I was wondering how many ctrl + clicks in (firefox for example) 200% is? I would say it was 3 but some colleagues argue 2 or 4 ? Any suggestions? I'd say conceptually that's quite a nitpicky argument...say a page broke spectacularly after

RE: [WSG] Downloading Fonts

2008-12-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Ted Drake Safari and firefox3 support the @font-face attribute. I don't know the status of Opera and IE8. I think current Opera doesn't, but the next version (Opera 10, currently available as alpha) will http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ P Patrick H. Lauke

RE: [WSG] inline-block effect

2008-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Brett Patterson what does OP mean? Original Poster, i.e. the one who started this thread. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] RE: Tools or analytics to detect assistive devices

2008-11-20 Thread Patrick Lauke
http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3775 The flash method (detect presence of software that hooks into MSAA) may be of some help if you write a small swf that then pings Google Analytics or similar. But worth noting this recent article http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=61 More

RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread Patrick Lauke
wondering what part of THREAD CLOSED people don't understand... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming

2008-07-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Stickley Sent: 03 July 2008 14:56 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming I wonder what a partially sighted user would

RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3

2008-06-20 Thread Patrick Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] html { overflow-y: scroll; } Ah, back in the days I tried it Opera wasn't playing ball. I now see that (at least Opera 9.5) understands this now. Good stuff. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room

RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3

2008-06-20 Thread Patrick Lauke
Mark Voss html{min-height:100.2%;} even more subtle html { min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px; } http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/49/ P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford,

RE: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
jody tate Most of their recommendations include URI examples that use the .html extension and the site itself appears to use .html extensions: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/Cover.html. In fact, there's some advice that advocates ditching file extensions altogether for future-proofing

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Well yes, you could mark it up as XML behind the scenes, but you shouldn't be sending XML to the browser. They might or might not be able to cope with it, but you'd be breaking validation (unless you used XHTML sent as actual XML and start namespacing things). In simple terms, I'd mark up

RE: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jonathan D'mello To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they say it will break W3C standards. The core tenet of web standards is to choose the most semantically/structurally appropriate way to

RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Lecoat So let me see if I have this right: as long as my page declares an encoding (I use UTF-8) I don't need to encode the entities, I can just type them straight into the markup. Is that correct? Make sure that your whole environment is UTF-8 (your code editor, any database

RE: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5

2008-05-20 Thread Patrick Lauke
Korny Sietsma Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain - at least for my configuration! Beta5 and RC1 have been rock-solid on my systems (WinXP). And, as far as I understand, RC1 is fairly

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tate Johnson I agree with your latter point. However, I fear that it protects lazy developers who refuse to adopt standards based practices. That said, the more and more you look at the community on the whole; it seems less ignorant today than at the start of the decade. The problem

RE: [WSG] ie8 flash scripts

2008-03-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
kevin mcmonagle hi, anyone know how ie8 will work with ufo flash detection js and and the standard dreamweaver flv embedding scripts? thanks in advance kevin There's not even a downloadable beta of ie8 out yet...so I think there won't be much of an answer beyond speculation? P

RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 04 February 2008 14:41 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation It's been a while since I've dealt with the issue of screen reader

RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
Interesting...so what DO you get? Is that with JS enabled? P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: 04 February 2008 14:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation I

RE: [WSG] Usability for downloading documents

2008-01-28 Thread Patrick Lauke
Should we be making this decision for the user though? If, by default, PDFs open within the browser, then won't we be changing their user experience by forcing them to open/save? In principle yes, but because so many other sites have worked around this issue (usually by opening new

RE: [WSG] BBC in Beta

2007-12-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
A few things I noticed (being ultra-critical perhaps at this stage): First three links on the page are invisible skip links that don't show up, even on focus, plus there's another hidden link to accesskey definitions after the accessibility help link. On the separate modules, it's initially

RE: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3

2007-12-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Assuming you mean on Windows, I've used WinDiff in the past and was reasonably happy with it (though purely to get an at a glance comparison, not to actually do any further processing of compared files - it doesn't seem to like UTF-8, for a start...) P Patrick

RE: [WSG] About Lightbox and SEO

2007-12-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
Matthew Pennell 1) Many (most?) screenreaders do not read the title attribute by default. 2) Many (most?) screenreaders are perfectly able to execute JavaScript, so when the user clicks the link, what happens? It might announce that the document structure has been updated (by the addition

RE: [WSG] About Lightbox and SEO

2007-12-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
Wow, nobody decided whether or not it was a good idea or not. Screen readers sit on top of the regular browser (in most cases on Windows, Internet Explorer). They don't support javascript, they read the browser's DOM. The DOM is affected by javascript. As users work their way through a page,

RE: [WSG] Appropriate use of the ABBR tag and Roman Numerals

2007-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
Matthew Pennell It's not an abbreviated form of the full date by any stretch of the imagination. Tell that to the microformats crowd - they've practically stretched the idea of abbreviation to anything, just so they can fit their machine readable data into the page... Why not just use a

RE: [WSG] Appropriate use of the ABBR tag and Roman Numerals

2007-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
E Michael Brandt How about dfn title=Year 2007MMVII/dfn ? I think this may stretch the meaning of DFN. A defining instance is the occurrence of the term where the term is defined. It does not enclose the actual definition. It also should only occur once per page for each defined term. P

RE: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level

2007-10-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
Gaspar I think this should get a manual check or warning. You should ALWAYS do human checks of whatever an automated validation tools tells you, unless it's something purely technical (e.g. does markup validate to spec). P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor

RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Lecoat Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like a catch-22 situation? Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development

RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Because you can't detect when a screen reader is there or not... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Or Golan Sent: 17 October 2007 15:33 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links Why not simply

RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Lecoat To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether spambots decode encoded entity text, eg: 'user' becomes '#117;#115;#101;#114;' (ignore quote marks). I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers can, after all -- but it'd

RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Lecoat If you are talking about actually hiding markup from certain agent types, I'd certainly like to know your method. Screen readers run on top of normal browsers like IE of Firefox, so user-agent-wise you won't be able to really distinguish them. You *may* be able to catch some

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Gary Barber Why bother taking the time to make something that is good quality when at the end of the day the client just wants cheap and functional and looks nice. Professionalism? So the client says Why should I use you with your standards and accessibility, Cowboy Design Joe

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
And here's me thinking that WCAG 1.0 _WAS_ a web standard !? Guideline, not standard. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-05 Thread Patrick Lauke
Ok everybody...welcome to the *Web Standards Group* mailing list, where we discuss *Web Standards*. For discussions on history, sociology, politics, law, morals, capitalism, communism, etc, I'm sure there are other places... For those who don't think the DDA and ADA should apply in certain

RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
If you're doing business in a country (as in your company has offices and/or stores in that country), that country's legislation applies. P From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Wilson Sent: 03 October 2007

RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jermayn Parker 1992 that is 15 years ago :shock: surely its time for a new updated version that includes up to date web version of rules etc. If you want businesses and websites to follow these standards they need to be update Because, you know...they've simply been ignoring 15

RE: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
Julie Romanowski Please visit Michelle Malkin's site and post your comments - http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green- light-to-s ue-target-over-website/. It's reassuring to see the exact same idiotic views still being bandied around, most of them along the the web is

RE: XHTML/HTML/Standards Conformance was Re: [WSG] Accessible - Standard Compliant - Club Membership System

2007-09-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Marghanita da Cruz While exploring the standards compliance/XHTML/HTML issue, I was surprised by the variation in the display of Alt text. On the small sample, the XHTML/HTML did not seem to make a jot of difference. The screen shots are available at

RE: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tee G. Peng Hmmm, I didn't think about that. My clients asked me how to add *decorative* images by themselves, I asked are they any meaning/ purpose of those images, are they echo to your content, they said no I just wanted my page looks nice in certain area. I told them sorry you

RE: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tee G. Peng I am working on a bilingual site (chinese/english) that needs to pass at least WCAG AA, the site is UTF-8 charset and I didn't use lang attribute in the meta because it's a bilingual site. [...] What do you propose I should do to make the 'failure' goes away? Is every page

RE: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-08-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Alastair Campbell Does the HTML working group have to take into account accessibility guidelines? What I mean is, does it have to make alt mandatory because WCAG (any version) does? I don't think HTML5 is expected to be rolled out until 5 years or so. In that sense, WCAG 1 would

RE: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

2007-06-05 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lucien Stals For a comparison, the w3schools site defines fieldset as The fieldset element draws a box around its containing elements. And that's the complete sentence. Note no mention of form controls. I leave it to others to debate the authority of the w3schools site, and it's a

RE: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics

2007-05-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
Peter Leing I think the issue may be with how the browser is handling spaces/tabs/carriage returns in the html file. Removing the spacing in your page through firebug produced a similar affect as the table display. Can't guarantee how robust this would be in all situations, but I've just

RE: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics

2007-05-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
Andrew Maben This may be heresy, but I think this might be a perfectly legitimate use of a (properly marked-up) table? Tables are for tabular data (where rows/columns have a very strictly determined relationship, and moving cells around changes the meaning of the data). The data in this

RE: [WSG] Hack for all IE versions including 7

2007-05-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Stuart Foulstone If you want to do hacks then you shouldn't pretend to do valid coding. And broken browsers shouldn't pretend to follow the spec then...until that day, a small hack or workaround, if done cleanly, is perfectly acceptable. P Patrick H. Lauke

RE: [WSG] Semantics and small

2007-05-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim sub/sub Subscript lower than the text sup/sup Superscript higher than the text, maybe just a number linked to a date in the page footer Or in a stylesheet make a class of smaller text. Those three examples are all

RE: [WSG] strong v's b , em v's i

2007-04-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
Robby Jennings wrote: I've found this list of depreciated tags http://www.html-reference.com/depreciated.htm which lists strong and em as depreciated. I thought the b tag would be depreciated. The fact that they confused (based on the filename) depreciate with *deprecate* made me

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)

2007-04-13 Thread Patrick Lauke
Nick Fitzsimons Surely label for=searchBox input type=text id=searchBox name=q button type=submitSearch/button /label would therefore keep everybody happy? Depends on AT support (whether or not a screenreader would actually be able to make sense of this construct and expose

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)

2007-04-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Stuart Foulstone If you're only concerned about providing form accessibility for screenreaders, and no other disability, you could use the method below or a transparent.gif with appropriate alt-text would work too. Not necessarily just for screenreader accessibility. If the input itself is

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)

2007-04-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Stuart Foulstone Sorry, I thought we were discussing labels for form input boxes (not just one-box input search forms). I was specifically talking about the type of form Bojana mentions in the thread starter. However, generally speaking, making assumptions about accessibility based on

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)

2007-04-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Nick Fitzsimons Surely label for=searchBox input type=text id=searchBox name=q button type=submitSearch/button /label would therefore keep everybody happy? Depends on AT support (whether or not a screenreader would actually be able to make sense of this construct and expose

RE: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
McIvor Lee The phrasing of the Cynthia results page suggests that there are alternative methods to pass this particular checkpoint without using a label, but I don't know of one. Adding a title attribute to the form element (in this case, the SELECT) is one of these alternatives. P

RE: [WSG] Should logo not link to the homepage?

2006-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
Ian Anderson To consider two extreme examples if the MSNBC logo was linked to the home page, alt text of MSNBC would be the least helpful, although that is the exact equivalent of what happens visually for sighted users, and they then use their acquired knowledge to understand that it links

RE: [WSG] Should logo not link to the homepage?

2006-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
Ian Anderson Great minds and all that? If you reread the previous bit of my post you'll see: 'So, the logo should say something like MSNBC home page' Yes, but you seemed to suggest having that as the ALT, whereas I'd say it's more appropriate to just have MSNBC as the ALT and have the

RE: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-20 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lachlan Hunt but lot's of people (mostly designers) who prefer smaller font-sizes. It's unfortunate that so many designers prefer small font sizes. They fail to realise that while they may think small fonts may look good from a design perspective and are easily readable on their

RE: [WSG] Question - th appearing in scope of another th

2006-02-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jamie Mason When a new th appears, does it append to the previous header? Or replace/start again the context of it's scope? Is it something that is/can be affected by use of tbody's possibly? Or should this never occur and the structure of the data be rethought? I may be wrong, but I'd

RE: [WSG] site check: FONT sizes

2006-02-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
kvnmcwebn lisa, If you provide the user with a Javascript pop-up window that they right-click to display a pretty flash-based font-increasing app, the user could increase the font as much as they like. It's known as the 'Clydesdale Hack'. can you give me an example of the

RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
Conyers, Dwayne, Mr While I believe accessibility is an important design issue, is there legal precedent for suing someone for poor design? Does the Ramada/Priceline debacle count? http://news.com.com/Travel+sites+agree+to+changes+for+the+blind/2100-1038_3-5318568.html P

RE: [WSG] list's with header text

2006-01-31 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lea de Groot Wouldn't h2 for=mylist/h2 ol id=mylist/ol be nice? :) So what do you do when you have 2 or more elements that the heading refers to? h2 for=mypara1 mypara2/h2 p id=mypara1/p p id=mypara2/p etc? It's not really a scalable solution, IMHO. As someone already mentioned, the

RE: [WSG] list's with header text

2006-01-31 Thread Patrick Lauke
kvnmcwebn patrick wrote As someone already mentioned, the source order should be enough to inform what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit association. sorry i dont understand this could someone please explain? If you have a heading, followed by some other content

RE: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Anders Nawroth Does the toggle function have to be connected to a a element, or do JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other elements? The function needs to be attached to an element that receives focus, i.e. an element that users can tab to via the keyboard.

RE: [WSG] .htm include file into another .htm

2006-01-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Svip Actually, the best way would be to use PHP, If it's only a case of including a piece of static content inside another page, there's really no advantage in using PHP over simple server-side includes. and besides, we do not tend to call them HTM pages, but rather HTML pages. Possibly

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Al Sparber From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, no more silly statements like that. This is the Web Standards Group. To take it a step further, the html coding can never be table based. That's hacking, not coding. ---

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Are tables unauthorized? I never said that tables are meant for design. But even by w3.org standards they are used for displaying tabular data . Tabular data is, of course, a completely different matter. Using tables is of course the best, most semantic way to present that

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Al Sparber I guess your assertion hinges on how one interprets the word should. Perhaps I am English-challenged, but I always took should to have a suggestive or advisory connotation, while shall or must are obligatory :-) http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt 3. SHOULD This word, or

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bob Schwartz I've found the need to use one table as a base layout because I still cannot get a div to expand in height (no height defined) to incompass its nested content as a table cell does. If your nested content is positioned absolutely, then there is currently no plain vanilla

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bob Schwartz Couldn't the if floated solution be considered a hack? :-} It is starting to sound as if my reasons for using one table once-and- awhile are still valid and that there are still some height issues with divs. If you're floating or absolutely positioning things, a table

RE: [WSG] UK Government Web standards - IE and serving issues...

2005-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Cameron Edwards Following some of the very interesting UK .gov mails of late, I've been involved in a fierce debate about serving XHTML 1.0 STRICT either as application/xhtml+xml or text/html, content negotiation and the like - whether, in fact, the world is ready for XHTML etc Hmm...that

RE: [WSG] UK Government Web standards - IE and serving issues...

2005-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Daisy Could we drop the sexist (it's never a grandfather!), ageist digs at people who simply had the misfortune to be born 10, 20, 50 years too early? Fair enough, my sincere apologies. In my defence, the example was actually based on a real life example from a colleague of mine. Replace

political correctness (was RE: [WSG] UK Government Web standards - IE and serving issues...)

2005-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lachlan Hunt I'll be sure to make sure all my future examples use non-technologically inclined, gender indeterminent homo sapien instead. Sure it's a mouthful, but we mustn't be sexist. You can go overboard on political correctness, certainly...but Daisy's comment is very valid in my

the basics of Firefox (was RE: [WSG] BBC E-mail: Overhaul for Firefox web browser)

2005-12-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
Welcome to the Firefox support list...aeh... Anyway, the installation block has been in Firefox for ages (at least since 0.9, I think). Did you then actually click the "Edit Options" button, like it says right there? Can't be more explicit than that... Patrick From: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Artemis the snow falls more smoothly in FF 1.5. Firefox 1.5 - now with even smoother snow! Now that's a new marketing angle... :) P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards

RE: [WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

2005-11-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Stuart Sherwood Outline selected isn't working properly for me either. Stephen Stagg wrote: Is it just me or does the ‘Disable Images’ option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Did you do a clean install (with a fresh profile) or an upgrade? Sometimes, although it

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Faaberg On 11/18/05 2:16 AM James Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I think part of the problem here is that You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-) So what, most of the ramblings of Geoff and I posted were invalid and badly expressed? ;) Nah, just

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Geoff Deering Okay, so if this was implemented in user agents, what would be your educated estimate of percentage of users who would configure this and therefore avoid this problem of interpreting the incorrect state of form controls? I'd estimate it to be roughly the same as the

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Geoff Deering I'd estimate it to be roughly the same as the percentage of users that have reconfigured their OS to use different default colours which would make them get confused by *judiciously* styled form controls. And what percentage of users that access those web pages would you

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
Geoff Deering Secondly, by this recommendation you are actually addressing the flip side of the problem I am trying to address. The case you are addressing here is 1) A recommendation of how to deal with styles that may conflict with a form element that is in an activated state. 2)

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
Geoff Deering The problem is that web designers are now implementing designs that convey meaning to form controls, that they are not intending to imply in their design, Which, again, is a sign of a bad designer, and a problem that should be solved by educating the designer, not simply

RE: [WSG] news scroller and standards

2005-11-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it depends on 1) whether it's important that the news scroller be accessible by search engines ...or, you know...*actual people* trying to use the site... P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] hover div fill query

2005-11-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
ivanovitch The demo page is at http://imeet.com.au/aa2/ - it's cut right backto highlight my problem. Ignore the content, and the site URL I'm trying to find a way to make blocks of text in a div (item) to display the hover background for the entire div, and not just the linked text.

RE: [WSG] CSS and PHP

2005-11-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
designer I'm new to PHP/mySQL and I'm finding that some peculiar things happen, such as /body and /html appear in the middle of the code. Difficult to know without seeing a URL and the associated PHP code. Sound like an error in the PHP to me, though...

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
Seona Bellamy I know that there were some really good articles floating around on the list a while back when someone was asking how to sell web standards to clients. MACCAWS is fairly nice http://www.maccaws.org/kit/ Just to give my GBP0.02 on the issue, I usually (unless clients

RE: [WSG] Listing images vertically

2005-10-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jad Madi I would like to know whats the standards way to list images Vertical and Horizental is there anything against using img src= alt= /br /img src= alt= / for the vertical listing? You've used the magic word twice already in your question...if you're listing, that would suggest that

RE: [WSG] Link behavior

2005-10-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bruce I should add the site is http://www.bkdesign.ca My links in my sidebar on a new main site I am doing are underlined. But the underline starts someplace in the middle of the link, not at the beginning.??? Don't ask me why (though I suspect it's because a is an inline element, so

RE: [WSG] Placement of company logo

2005-10-11 Thread Patrick Lauke
Townson, Chris (I think Patrick might have been making a point earlier that logos might come under the category of 'illustration') The cons: - I think that something that is text (i.e. the company name) gets marked up as an image I would argue (without sounding too much like a marketeer

RE: [WSG] DW 8 standards

2005-10-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jad Madi is there any good reviews of Dreamweaver 8 and web standards? do you recommend using it to achieve standards compliant sites? any advantages/disadvantages? Apparently it's quite good. I'd recommend having a look at http://www.sitepoint.com/article/dreamweaver-8-standards (and the

RE: [WSG] Placement of company logo

2005-10-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
Townson, Chris b) You always have a sensible H1 for which all H2s are genuine subheadings. and what, h1img src=logo.jpg alt=Company name //h1 is not genuine? Patrick __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] Placement of company logo

2005-10-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
Townson, Chris This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned. This would be the point where I'd say the whole discussion on semantics risks disappearing up it own behind...no offense. You want to do web design, eh? Well, get onto the semiotics and linguistics course for the

RE: [WSG] Placement of company logo

2005-10-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
Townson, Chris I agree with your point here completely. However, in pragmatic (;)) terms, with current technology, text is just the only solution which conveys meaning to _all_ users (not just those using graphical browsers on a desktop PC) The only problem with having an image of a

[WSG] Ian Lloyd interviews Matt May

2005-10-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
Apologies for cross posting: Interview with Matt May http://www.accessify.com/2005/10/interview-with-matt-may.asp __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] keyboard onclick activation on Mac

2005-09-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
Golding, Antony Try adding the 'onclick' code into an 'onkeypress' entry also... However, in Firefox - and, if I recall correctly, Mozilla (Seamonkey) as well - a tab also counts as a keypress. Therefore, simply tabbing to the link and attempting to tab to the next one will trigger the

RE: [WSG] ol displaying 3.1 3.2 etc. instead of 1 2 3

2005-09-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
Daniel Nitsche There is something on this very topic in the WCAG: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#lists And the clincher on that still is Until either CSS2 is widely supported or user agents allow users to control rendering of lists through other means, authors should consider

RE: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rimantas Liubertas Maybe just throw the info and leave all the rest for the users to control? Paint it yourself style of web. Oh, and incidentally, that seems to be what some people on the WWW Style list (Orion being the loudest proponent) would like to see in the future *shudder*

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Marco van Hylckama Vlieg One can either manipulate the way output looks by dynamically changing the CSS or by dynamically changing the HTML output. I prefer the latter to be honest. But the question is: why do you prefer it? Just gut feeling, or any valuable/measurable reason? Also: of

RE: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tom Livingston I disagree. span style=color:#f00;some_text/span is puttiing presentation in the markup. class=red is still a class that can be changes in the sheet. In my mind, the word red in this case is just a word, not a color. It's just a word, but it does have presentational

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