RE: ADMIN Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Sorry Lea, I get around 100 emails a day. Accessibility is in the scope of my work. AOL definitely isn't. ... and if everyone on this forum had just a little bit of chatter OT then it makes it hard to find the posts on topic. c. On 16/06/12 9:35 AM, Chris Pearce wrote: I'm sorry but how is this related to Web Standards? Its not relevant to web standards, but when the list is quiet (as the word echoes around the room) its harmless to have a little technical off-topic chatter. (but only a little) Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
I'm sorry but how is this related to Web Standards?
On Friday, June 15, 2012, Danny Vose wrote:
**
What I meant was not for the customer to check his mail but for you to try
and login through his dashboard. I dont like AOL but it wouldnt be the
redirect to them thats causing it? I have been building sites for 10 years
plus now and as Ive said it happens often and like all simple snags its a
nightmare. Its important you use elimination though Bob. If you setup a
hotmail in 5 mins, change the redirect to that, and if the mail arrives its
AOL/Customer side. If it doesnt, its email client side which support will
have to sort. 99% of the time its on the domain/email client side so I
would do that Bob and then at least you clearly distance yourself from the
cause if it comes down to complaints about your work. Only a week or so ago
I built a co.uk for a young lady, tested the mail and she wasnt receiving
any? Did all the usual but no joy. I then asked her if I may have her
password into her hotmail box to check hotmail and she could change the
password after (I realise not everyone would allow this) Do you know what
the problem was? The redirect email she gave me was wrong! It only takes
someone to send you their email address and put a dash instead of an
underscore, or spell or omit a letter and thats the answer! I often (very
often) have customers sending emails that dont work. You or I may send a
proper hyperlink, but customers write them out and so many people get theri
own email address wrong. Its worth a check if your tearing your hair out.
Dan
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*From:* coder javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'co...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk');
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org');
*Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2012 12:00 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
Thanks, Dan,for your comprehensive answer! I have tried everything you
mention and I can't see anything wrong - it's driving me potty! I've done
this several+ times over the years and not had a problem . I was beginning
to wonder about AOL not allowing domains not owned by them to be redirected
. . . or something.
I have not been able to check that mail sent to the domain address can
be accessed in the mail box even if not redirected, as the customer simply
doesn't understand what to do and wouldn't do even if I gave him full
complete instructions!
Thanks again.
Bob
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*From:* Danny Vose
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2012 11:29 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
Hi Bob
I have had this problem several times over the years with customers
wishing to have their mail redirected. The first things to check are the
obvious ones (not a sop on your ability but computers make us brain dead at
times!) Does his account with the hosting company have any restrictions on
the amount of POP3 redirects as many do? Or two with the same address such
as admin@ and admin@-redirect? Most host providers use third party email
clients and for some unknown reason I have at times simply deleted all the
mail accounts on the domain, then refreshed and redone and they have
worked? Have you actually tested that mail sent to the domain address can
be accessed in the mail box even if not redirected? Finally, it’s extremely
easy to make a minor miss-spell when doing web work. A water test I always
use with these problems is to quickly setup a temp Hotmail or yahoo address
and redirect there and see if it arrives. If it does than the problem is
with his AOL mail account. If not, its domain side. If you have checked all
these Bob then you can’t do anymore and it’s up to the domain support to
sort out as you don’t have backend access.
Dan
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*From:* coder
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*Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2012 9:49 AM
*Subject:* [WSG] AOL mail problems?
Has anyone encountered problems with AOL mail such as this:
A friend of mine has a website for his business and he has a domain. I set
it for him so that his domain mail redirects to joeblo...@aol.com (he
doesn't want his mail published here, so I made that name up :-)
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility changer
If the link is from the same domain as the email of the poster, Then I'm glad I didn't tread in it.. I'm calling Barker's Eggs. Chris Sent from my iPhone On 26/04/2012, at 11:59 AM, James Litten ja...@insydney.com.au wrote: Hello Steve, Google glass are attached to a frame like specticles without the lense part of frame. They go from near the wearers right ear to just above and in front of their right eye. Users look through a prism to see a computer image set against what they would normally see without the Google glass. Their is a link at the bottom of the page to contact Google with questions. Please click on http://insydney.com.au/information/GoogleProjectGlass.htm James. On 25/04/2012 4:52 PM, steve paultan wrote: Hello, Sir. What is? Could you explain it more clearly? Thanks, With best regards, Steve On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:15 AM, James ja...@insydney.com.au wrote: Thanks Russ and all those involved with last nights meeting :) One set of technologies that will change our ability to access information. http://insydney.com.au/information/GoogleProjectGlass.htm Should be able to realtime change our vision and hearing. We may have to think realtime accessibility standards? James. * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Chad Furman wrote: Eww. Why is twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent better than 25.75% -- and why is it mandatory? Do you prefer typing 2012-04-01 or 1 April 2012 or ...? Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner? To me, that is unnessecary typing! MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and time than necessary... Glad it works for you... not for me, though. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:27:58 +1000 Subject: Possibly the best CSS framework ever? You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... but is this the best CSS framework ever? http://morecss.org/ :) Russ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] The mailto link
Hi I've been discussing the mailto link with other designers on LinkedIn and wonder what the opinions of other standards based designers are. The original question had to do with the contact form. I suggested that many people don't like contact forms and prefer to email directly from their mail client. One response was that an email link follow through to a contact form as some users will be disconcerted when their default mail client opens unexpectedly. The point being that the savvy user will know to copy the email address and paste it in their client if they don't want to use the form. I use Gmail and tend to copy the email but I'm not copying the visible link I'm using the browser's option of copying the actual link. My argument is that I don't expect an email link to take me to another page and I instinctively feel I'm being led by the nose to do what the web designer wants not what I expect to happen. My rule of thumb is that a web page should do what's expected rather than what's expedient. Its not my job to cater for people's inadequacies, that's the browser's job. Another suggestion was that we should cater to the desires of the client. Unfortunately this could be likened to having a car designed by the salesman rather than the car manufacturer. I don't think there is a simple way to get the mailto link to open in a web based client (though there may be browser specific options). Chris.Price @Choctaw.co.uk http:\\choctaw.co.uk 0777 629 0227 Design is my native language Choctaw Media Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales (04627649) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The mailto link
On 3 January 2012 21:25, Hayden O'Sullivan hay...@haydensites.com.auwrote: Hi all, I believe that a mailto: link is a good idea when the link text is either an email address or something like send us an email. In other contexts, such as contact us it is a bad idea. I take it you mean that an email link should say exactly what it is, i.e. Contact: ...mailto:m...@mydomain.com'm...@mydomain.com/... rather than 'contact us' being the hyperlink. ** ** I doubt that the user will feel disconnected when their email program open *s*, *provided that they are aware that they will be sending an email*. In my experience, contact forms are a bad idea, *unless you can guarantee a non-automated response within 24 hours*. It doesn't need to be a solution/answer, but most web users that I know who are not computer savvy mistrust forms, as there are a number of sites with contact forms which apparently have no one receiving the responses. I agree ** ** Just my two cents, Hayden ** ** *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Price *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 January 2012 6:51 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] The mailto link ** ** Hi ** ** I've been discussing the mailto link with other designers on LinkedIn and wonder what the opinions of other standards based designers are. ** ** The original question had to do with the contact form. I suggested that many people don't like contact forms and prefer to email directly from their mail client. ** ** One response was that an email link follow through to a contact form as some users will be disconcerted when their default mail client opens unexpectedly. The point being that the savvy user will know to copy the email address and paste it in their client if they don't want to use the form. I use Gmail and tend to copy the email but I'm not copying the visible link I'm using the browser's option of copying the actual link.*** * ** ** My argument is that I don't expect an email link to take me to another page and I instinctively feel I'm being led by the nose to do what the web designer wants not what I expect to happen. My rule of thumb is that a web page should do what's expected rather than what's expedient. Its not my job to cater for people's inadequacies, that's the browser's job. ** ** Another suggestion was that we should cater to the desires of the client. Unfortunately this could be likened to having a car designed by the salesman rather than the car manufacturer. I don't think there is a simple way to get the mailto link to open in a web based client (though there may be browser specific options). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites
I followed your useit link and the article was so good I wanted to share it via Linkedin and Twitter. I ended up having several windows opening, I had little idea what was going on and often didn't know why I had arrived where I had. Since then I've found 2 floating open windows and am still not sure what I achieved. It seems the opening of new windows is often arbitrary which adds to the confusion. I have a client who has often complained that when he closes a window his browser shuts down. He assumes he has opened a new window when he hasn't. There is the contrary issue of dealing with learned behaviour derived from using websites adopting bad practices. How do we overcome this? On another note which may be completely unrelated (sorry). When using Wikipedia I have often come across a link which I hoped would elaborate on the topic at hand only to find myself in an entirely unrelated article. E.g. I may be looking at culture and find a link to 'America' and find myself in an article on geography. One advantage I can see in opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive? On 20 December 2011 02:09, Alex Mironov alexmiro...@graphicdesignservices.ato.gov.au wrote: Hi I have been doing some research on expected behaviour of clicking on links from within a website to other external websites. Much of my research suggests that the recommended practice is to keep people within the same window/tab except in some instances. This gives users maximum control as they have the choice to left click on the link and open in a new tab/window. I have included a few links: http://uxdesign.smashingmagazine.com/2008/07/01/should-links-open-in-new-windows/ http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html I was wondering if anyone had any views/resources as to whether users should remain in the same window or should be taken to a new window/tab when they click on an external link? Regards Alex Mironov *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Wrapping text before float drop
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011, Stevio wrote:
If I have two floats side by side, both are floated left as follow:
.myfloat{
float:left;
}
and both contain text as follows:
div class=myfloatLonger amount of text. Longer amount of text. Longer
amount of text. Longer amount of text./div
div class=myfloatSmall amount of text./div
Is there any way to prevent the second div from dropping below the first div
when the viewport is narrowed, without specifying widths for either of the
floats?
What I would like is for the text in the first div to wrap before the second
float drops below the first. Is this possible without using widths?
Use a table.
If the realtionship between them is such that they must be side by
side, then a table is the correct element to use.
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Author:
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Re: [WSG] Wrapping text before float drop
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: Use a table. If the relationship between them is such that they must be side by side, then a table is the correct element to use. Two columns must be side-by-side, Chris, yet the received wisdom is that a table is an inappropriate way of presenting such material, both because it compromises accessibility and because the semantics of table are inappropriate to something that is not fundamentally tabular in nature. If they *must* be side by side, then the relationship *is* tabular in nature. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Table borders
Russ,
It's the Friday evening of a long weekend - and you take the time to
give code examples??
And you still can't see why everyone here thinks you are both a *Web
Standards* and *Nice Guy* Superhero?!?
Have a great weekend Russ.
I admire your dedication.
And so should all of us!!
;-)
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On 30/09/2011, at 7:32 PM, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote:
Hey Grant,
Try something like the code below:
1. The table markup is more accessible - th elements are very
important for screen readers
2. There are no presentational attributes (every time we include
presentational attributes, a fairy dies!)
!DOCTYPE html
html lang=en
head
meta charset=utf-8
titleGrant Bailey/title
style type=text/css media=screen
.Table_Text
{
border-collapse: collapse;
width: 600px;
}
th, td
{
border: 1px solid #000;
padding: 1em 2em;
vertical-align: top;
text-align: left;
}
.no-border { border: none; }
/style
/head
body
table class=Table_Text
thead
tr
td class=no-border/td
thColumn 1 Title/th
thColumn 2 Title/th
/tr
/thead
tbody
tr
thRow 1 Title/th
tdCol 1 Row 1/td
tdCol 2 Row 1/td
/tr
tr
thRow 2 Title/th
tdCol 1 Row 2/td
tdCol 2 Row 2/td
/tr
/tbody
/table
/body
/html
On 30/09/2011, at 7:01 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:
Hello,
I'd be grateful for some help on this problem.
I need to display a table. No problem except that it is one of
those tables that have header columns on the left and right, which
means that the top left-hand cell should not appear (i.e. have no
border). Like this (please see attachment if the picture does not
appear below):
feegfdfj.jpg
Here is my coding:
table class=Table_Text width=92.2% border=1 align=center
cellspacing=0
tr style=font-weight: bold;
td style=border:none;br //td
td style=text-align: center; Column 1 Title/td
td style=text-align: center; Column 2 Title/td/tr
tr
td style=font-weight: bold; Row 1 Title/td
tdCol 1 Row 1/td
tdCol 2 Row 1/td/tr
tr
td style=font-weight: bold; Row 2 Title/td
tdCol 1 Row 2/td
tdCol 2 Row 2/td/tr
/table
Unfortunately, all of the major browsers show the top-left cell
with a border (a bit fainter, but you can still see it), despite my
efforts (shown in code above) to render it invisible.
If someone could advise me how to make the cell truly invisible I
would be most grateful.
Thank you and kind regards,
Grant Bailey
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Re: [WSG] Drawing Tool For the Blind Is Here At Last
Marvin, that is great. Thank you for sharing. Sincerely. Chris Sent from my iPhone On 23/09/2011, at 10:32 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. if you visit http://www.dickbaldwin.com, got this program link from the top tid bits from http://top.enterprises.com and it is a accessible java based drawing tool for the blind. he is a university student. and so it is fully accessible. it comes in a zip file. and you need the latest or a recent java jre or sdk, and java access bridge. cool, i have always wanted to create data flow diagrams, flow charts, for my help desk course, and computer programming. and also to design a story board for my blindness related site, for my website development course. well i was able to start a new drawing, and able to create a line control. real cool. check it out. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] flat form with check boxes [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Thanks Darren, In our case, it’s a requirement that we use HTML, not PDF or word. Graphical elements are an option and it’s how they’re done at the moment, but I would have thought a Jaws user would find that quite confusing. I would think a checkbox symbol would be better practice because there’s no confusion for any level of user if there’s some interaction required #9744; but I might be wrong (and you’ve got to check cross browser compatibility). I like Joseph’s idea that you could fill out the checkboxes and print rather than submit. It’s a simple eloquent solution and I think a lot of users would get value from checking some boxes that they know they’re compliant with off the top of their head, then manually go through the rest with pen and paper later. I’m not sure if we’ll be allowed to do that though. The point of the page is that it’s a checklist that people can run through to see how their business complies with a general set of rules. The page wasn’t really designed by a web person so it’s a bit unclear what the intention is, for people to read the form as general advice or actually check off each point. We don’t have the option of changing the text or going back for clarification. The way it’s written means to me, it makes more sense as a check box list but not really as an ol or ul unfortunately. There’s a couple of options that would probably pass the bar to varying degrees, but is what is the best practice? Thanks everyone for the input so far. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Darren Lovelock Sent: Monday, 12 September 2011 3:58 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] flat form with check boxes [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Chris, Why not make the printable form a word doc or pdf for them to download, rather than coding it into the page as a form or image? That way you wont confuse the users and you have the option of still making the pdf form interactive. If that's not possible then I would use an image for the check boxes with clear instructions that the page is there for printing. Darren Lovelock MunkyOnline.comhttp://MunkyOnline.com On 12 Sep 2011, at 05:57, Chris Vickery chris.vick...@oaic.gov.aumailto:chris.vick...@oaic.gov.au wrote: Hi all, We’ve got some flat forms on our site, ie. They are not interactive forms, and have no submit button. They are indicating that it’s a check list that can be ticked once the page is printed. Someone suggested putting in regular check boxes and having no submit button, but wouldn’t that make it confusing from both and accessibility and usability point of view? At the same time using a graphical or styled element with Alt tag seems messy and cringe worthy as a work around. I’ve got my own ideas, but what does everyone think is best practice in this case? Regards, Chris ** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.orgmailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.orgmailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] flat form with check boxes [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi all, We've got some flat forms on our site, ie. They are not interactive forms, and have no submit button. They are indicating that it's a check list that can be ticked once the page is printed. Someone suggested putting in regular check boxes and having no submit button, but wouldn't that make it confusing from both and accessibility and usability point of view? At the same time using a graphical or styled element with Alt tag seems messy and cringe worthy as a work around. I've got my own ideas, but what does everyone think is best practice in this case? Regards, Chris ** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?
we have a new super-hero in our midst, keeping the city safe from people with disabilities and their nonsense. You'll see him in a costume pushing in front of disabled people trying to get on a bus and yelling his catch phrase 'tough luck' as the the door closes. Thanks No Nonsense Man! -- Chris Knowles On 26/08/11 3:15 PM, Jay Tanna wrote: Personally I don't go out of my way to do anything special. I design the site as it comes and if some people can't access it - tough luck. There is no point in spending any additional time or money in buying specialist tools for people who are challenged in some form! Some people on certain forums call me dragon because of my no nonsense views and I don't normally let them down!. --- On Thu, 18/8/11, Mike Kearw...@afpwebworks.com wrote: How to the rest of you a/b people (i.e. able bodied) cater to users with various forms of disability? Up until recently, I've tended to rely on keeping my code to standards, eliminating tables except for their proper purpose of tabulating data, and hoping that will give the accessibility level required. Do you go to the step of accessing your sites with JAWS or something similar to see how the site works for users with screen readers? I remember in the 1990s when I was working at Australian Consumers Association (choice.com.au) we had someone come and bring his PC with JAWS. The web team all sat in the boardroom getting ever more glum looks on our faces as we saw to our horror how terrible our new design was for this poor guy. We thought we'd got a terrific new design, and were about to launch it, when he did this demo for us. We had to go back and recode everything. This was before anyone was talking about standards though - it was back when the normally accepted method of laying out pages was to use tables, and buttons were nearly always images. I remember being astounded at how fast he was moving around the page, even though we'd unwittingly designed an obstacle course of humungous proportions for him. Our anguish at the time resulted in a far better web site, and convinced me to pay attention to standards and accessibility ever since. But now I'm wondering if simply sticking to standards is enough? What do you all think? Do you include JAWS in your site testing? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, David Laakso wrote: On 8/23/11 3:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: Mike Kear http://afpwebworks.com Setting the fonts at user default Absolutely! and ditching Verdana is the first place to start... Totally irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with Verdana; it is only very slightly larger than Helvetica or Arial. Problems only occur when its font size is reduced to compensate. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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RE: [WSG] Google 'Alexander Calder' theme
Looking at it in Chrome it's two canvas elements (one for the animation, one for the shadow) with a noscript fallback: canvas id=calder width=400 height=300 style=margin-left: -48px; z-index: 0; cursor: move; /canvas canvas id=calder_shadows width=400 height=300 style=margin-left:-48px;position:relative;top:-140px;z-index:-5/canvas noscriptamp;lt;a href=/search?q=Alexander+Calderamp;amp;ct=calder11amp;amp;oi=ddle title=Alexander Calderamp;amp;#39;s 113th Birthday. Courtesy of Calder Foundation / ARS, NY.amp;gt;amp;lt;img id=hplogo src=/logos/2011/calder11.png alt=Alexander Calderamp;amp;#39;s 113th Birthday. Courtesy of Calder Foundation / ARS, NY.amp;gt;amp;lt;/aamp;gt;/noscript Trying to decipher the JavaScript that runs this is pretty hard, though... Chris -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Sent: 22 July 2011 07:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Google 'Alexander Calder' theme Hello, Today's Google home page theme seems to be a very good example of progressive enhancement. The mobile graphic is non-interactive in IE7 but looks fine. In Chrome, however, the graphic swings about in response to mouse movements (as does its shadow, not present for IE7). Could anyone advise: (i) what technologies were used for this (canvas, etc.), and (ii) whether it is possible to save a working copy of the page locally in order to study its function (I've never had luck doing this with Google themes). Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Google Les Paul tribute
HTML5, easy to do Kind Regards, Chris Harris CEO | Founder | Producer juicemedia ch...@juicemedia.com.au T. 612 99044022 M. 61 413 108870 www.juicemedia.com.au On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: HTML, CSS and JavaScript of course. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Grant Bailey grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote: Hello, Today's Google home page has an interactive guitar in honour of Les Paul. It makes sounds when you 'strum' the strings. I was wondering what technologies Google used to create this incredible element. It does not appear to be Flash ... does anyone know. Thank you and kind regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc [Hons], MSc [Hons] Customer Experience Architect Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4? [SEC=No Protective Marking]
Hi Siobhan 3.6.17 - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html Cheers Chris On 3/06/2011 11:16 AM, siobhan.ne...@health.gov.au wrote: Return Receipt Your Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to document: FF4? [SEC=No Protective Marking] wassiobhan.ne...@health.gov.au received by: at:03/06/2011 11:16:59 __ Important: This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error please notify the author immediately and delete all copies of this transmission. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for an authority on RTF [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Martin Certainly there is no report or structured analysis I've ever come across in that sense. Myself (as a member of the W3C WCAG Working Group) and the group itself would be more than happy to assist you in formulating a response within our capacity (currently, debates over what consititues web content aside, our line is that if it is marked up according to the general and text Sufficient Techniques, then it certainly is as viable (desirable is another matter being a propriatary format, given we are technology agnostic) as txt or other formats. eg: speaking generally and a bit off the cuff, using structured headings, no images, no tables, no columns = likely no problem. As with any document, the more complex you make it, the harder conformance is to claim. RTF is a topic I am actively exploring with group members at the moment, so your email is certainly timely. I'd also be happy to put you directly in touch with the Microsoft accessibility people who contribute to the group - they will be able to answer specific tech spec questions for you around the format. Anyway - drop me a line off list and I'll be *more* than happy to get the dialogue started. I start a new role in around 10 days, and will be able to provide my new .gov.au address then - the address below will suffice until then (no point sending you my current .gov.au as I won't be in at work for much of this and next week due to conferences etc. Cheers Chris Beer chris at e-beer dot net dot au On 24/05/2011 2:59 PM, Freckmann, Martin wrote: Hi, all. I'm looking for a study, a report or some other structured analysis on the benefits of using Rich Text Format. I'm looking for an authoritative source to support claims that it's a desirable and viable format that aids accessibility. I've tried searching widely, and have not yet found such a resource. I'm beginning to believe the case for the merits of RTF is either hearsay or folklore. Please -- I'm looking for a substantial explanation of the merits of RTF. One-line opinions, rants against Microsoft or PDF, or advice to use HTML instead are all familiar and understood. With thanks for any help. Martin Freckmann *---* The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Advisor of the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, 38 Sydney Ave, Forrest ACT 2603, telephone (02) 6271-1376 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *---* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
On Fri, 6 May 2011, David Laakso wrote: First-pass. Comments and suggestions appreciated. This end... Desktop: OS X 10.4 Tablet: No got. Mobile: OperaMini os SanyoMirro 4 BoostMobile. uri: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/m/ Text is cut off: http://t.cfaj.ca/mentor.jpg -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
On Fri, 6 May 2011, David Laakso wrote: On 5/6/11 11:42 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2011, David Laakso wrote: This end... Desktop: OS X 10.4 Tablet: No got. Mobile: OperaMini os SanyoMirro 4 BoostMobile. uri: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/m/ Text is cut off: http://t.cfaj.ca/mentor.jpg In what OS, in what browser, in what size window, at what plus font-scaling, or minimum font size? GNU/Linux, any browser. Minimum font size 18px. (I see you've fixed it.) -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Kevin Ireson wrote: Oh come on. Surely you cannot dispute http://www.w3schools.com/ for the basics. Even after all of these years. The fundamental concepts work. I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/ Kev http://.hotels-london-hoteks.com From: Andrew Staff Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Webb, KerryA wrote: Chris wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Kevin Ireson wrote: Oh come on. Surely you cannot dispute http://www.w3schools.com/ for the basics. Even after all of these years. The fundamental concepts work. I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/ You say (on that page): The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice. It's not, you know. For decorative images, it's not even recommended. Try validating a page that has an IMG without an ALT attribute! The attribute may be empty, but it MUST be there. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, tee wrote: I upgraded to FF4 without checking the compatibility of the addons. Both YSlow and Page Speed aren't compatible, now I need to install the previous version that I used, but can't remember the exact version. There seems to be a number of 3.6.x. The latest I have is 3.6.13 This is for Mac. Thanks! After upgrading to FF4, most addons worked -- until I restarted FF. However, after re-installing the addons, most of them worked fine. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Fabien BENARIAC wrote: ... (I don't understand why you want to run FF3x modules with FF4x...) If it ain't broke... -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, Christian Snodgrass wrote: One word : semantics. It all has to do with what the tags mean to the computer. For example, you can write div class=code to specify that the markup in that div is code and should be displayed as such. However, to the browser, the means nothing more than div class=happyfuntime. They're both just divs. Now, if you use the new code element instead, that tells the browser it is code. There's a new code element? How does it differ from the old one? -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Help - Anchor Link to specific area on web page
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, E W wrote: Hi Fellow Web Master Friends, I'm creating a web page and need help with Named Anchor Links. Problem: when clicking on a roll over that is linked to another a web page using a Named Anchor in a specific area on the linked web page, the browser jumps to the linked page but for a brief moment it goes to the top of the web page and then down to the area where the Named Anchor is located. I do not want it to go to the top of the web page first. Instead I want it to just go to the Named Anchor location. Also, this seems to be happening in Internet Explorer and Firefox on PC but not on Firefox on Mac. In Firefox 3.6.13 on Linux it goes directly to the anchor. See other problems: http://t.cfaj.ca/radcal1.jpg http://t.cfaj.ca/radcal2.jpg View the problem: http://www.radcal.com/accugold-private2.html#sensoroptabs - click on the each of the four tabs: Diode Dose Multisensors, Ion Chamber Dose Sensors, Diode Dose Sensors and mA and mAs Sensors and see how the links work from page to page. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the Browsers Defaults on where you land on a page when clicking on the links? Your feedback and help is appreciated. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
We all go through this every holiday season Nick. Look at the big picture. Russ provides us with a great resource. For free. 1st auto responder message, and you are gone. Guilty until proven guilty. Just look at the first line, or header, then delete. That's the deal. And Russ could charge. He doesn't. Thanks Russ. You are Legend. Oh, and By the way. Lazy listers who reply or forward without truncating the previous 47 or so other lister's reponses are FAR more annoying. And waste far too much bandwidth Think about that Nick. Then look at your email. IMHO, Love and peace to you all, thanks Russ, and Merry Christmas Sincerely. Chris Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicholas Bower n...@petangent.net wrote: Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Document Formats
Hi Kevin You're also touching on accessibility issues there, as well as gov business processes, legal requirements etc etc. One thing I thought worth raising and worth considering though is copyright - do you even have permission to alter the format of the document as submitted to you? US is different to us, I know, but something to keep in mind... We deal with multiple formats in my workplace constantly. Best approach we find, when you can, is HTML first, PDF for print as needed. We try to steer clear of using any file format that isn't an open standard (eg we don't use.xls when we can use .csv) etc as it can imply inferred support or approval for a vendor. Cheers Chris On 12/1/2010 6:52 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. Example: ul li Titlea href=info.html titleTitle Web Page (Web Page)/a a href=info.pdf titleTitle in PDF Format (PDF)/a a href=info.docx titleTitle in MS Word Format (Word)/a /li /ul Thank you very much for sharing your experiences on this, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?
From: cat soul Sent: 10 November 2010 23:32 Great! Most everyone else is saying HTML5 is 10 years off and not to code for it, not to worry about it until then. HTML5 as a finished, published spec may be 10 years off, but there are plenty of HTML5 features you can use right now with some careful handling of older (IE) browsers. The future is already among us. In fact, this is HTML5-style - !doctype html - but will work fine in all browsers (as far as I know). For more information check out: http://html5doctor.com/how-to-use-html5-in-your-client-work-right-now/ http://diveintohtml5.org/ http://www.html5rocks.com/ And there's Andy Clarke's new book Hardboiled Web Design which deals with HTML5 and more: http://hardboiledwebdesign.com/ So is HTML5 ready, as far as http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ sees it isn't the same as can I use parts of this spec yet? Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?
From: David Dorward Sent: 11 November 2010 10:30 On 11 Nov 2010, at 09:18, Chris Taylor wrote: In fact, this is HTML5-style - !doctype html - but will work fine in all browsers (as far as I know). When you come to perform basic QA using a validator, on the other hand, you get very different results. Agreed, and it is a problem, but how much of that problem is validators not being updated? To be honest, if that's the only error I get from a validator I'd feel I was doing a decent job. The crux is, as it has always been, what actually happens in browsers themselves. Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms
On 10 November 2010 18:52, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think lists should be used for this (there might be a case for a OL in case of dependant selects, but that would be a stretch). In the case of DL, I'd say that the relationship between DTs and DDs is no better than the one created by the labels and their for attribute. fwiw, I use divs to wrap controls with their label, not because it makes things easier to style, but because of the way the form would look with no such wrapper and no styling. I'm with you there Thierry Fieldset is, by definition, a grouping within a form. The legend describes the fieldset. The label for and input id link to each other. There is no subset of fieldset like dt is to dl or li is to ul so the only logical element would be a div which is neutral. I can only imagine I would have to grapple with semantics when I need to break down a li or dd. If you lost the styling in a form built with a list would it appear to make sense when each element had a bullet beside it? Would another logical outcome not be that each fieldset would require a separate list which may comprise 1 element? -- Chris Price Choctaw *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, cat soul wrote: Any thoughts on which we ought to be using, and what information ought to be up at top of an HTML page, along with !DOCTYPE, etc? The first line should be a doctype. I recommend either 4.01 strict or HTML5. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; or !DOCTYPE html In the HEAD you need a TITLE element. You probably also want a charset declaration, e.g.: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 a link to a stylesheet: link href=body.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css a description META tag: meta name=description content=Chris F.A. Johnson's home page: Web design, Chess, Unix shell, Cryptic Crosswords, Books Then the BODY. And always check your page with http://validator.w3.org/. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?
try adding display: block - by default they are usually displayed as inline
in ie you need to add them via javascript before it will recognise them:
document.createElement(header);
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On 27/09/10 8:13 PM, tee wrote:
Only the two Webkit browsers are able to render the header and footer
correctly.
http://lotusseedsdesign.com/css-test/templegate.html
header {
height : 300px;
width : 980px;
text-align : center;
position : relative;
clear : both;
overflow : hidden;
margin : 0 auto;
border : 1px solid #369;
background : #ddd;
}
I can't find anything wrong with my style sheet and the html code.
tee
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Re: [WSG] Fonts in MS Publisher compared to online
Sorry for asking, but does any one else think this thread is a webstandards topic? I.e. How a font in Microsoft Publisher displays? I'm having issues with IE7 crashing. Is that a web standards issue list topic too??? Just a long day, a bit jaded, and not happy wading through a pile of display is not what I wanted type emails, especially ones based around a Microsoft product. It's the web. This is a web standards list. It's not the magazine typography list. Just annoyed. And tired. Chris Sent from my iPhone On 14/09/2010, at 7:18 PM, Lyn Smith l...@westernwebdesign.com.au wrote: I have a client who is very precise in what he wants. He sent me a draft in Publisher which I transformed into a website. The font for the header text (site title) is Times New Roman. The problem is that it looks completely different online to what it does in Publisher. Publisher renders it very narrow. Online it looks chunkier even though it is just normal weight, not bold. It is 2.5ems - I tried reducing the size but it did not reduce the chunkiness. According to Publisher, the style is Normal, 10pt, Main(Black), Kerning 14pt,Left, Line Spacing 1sp. As far as I can see, there is nothing wrong with the way it looks online at all - but it is not what he wants. He wants narrow. Is there a way of making the font narrower - short of making it an image - or is there an explanation I can give him of why it looks different online? Thanks. -- Lyn Smith www.westernwebdesign.com.au Affordable website design Perth WA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Current thinking on fixed width/liquid design ?
On 22 August 2010 16:03, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2010/08/22 12:51 (GMT+0100) Chris Price composed: On 2010/08/22 07:03 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: The web wasn't designed for graphics, and for the most part still isn't. What made the web revolutionary was the hyperlink and, to this day, it is the web's single most significant and important attribute. But what does it matter what the web was designed for - it wouldn't be what it is today without graphics and all things that make it appealing to humans (that aren't geeks). It wasn't designed for buying and selling because it is stateless and has the memory of a goldfish yet Amazon and Ebay have had a huge impact on it. Its universality is not only defined by its flexibility but also by its appeal. Not at all. CSS came along well after the web. Before css matured we were slaves to tables. My web pages have no tables where there is no tabular information, no styling, no javascript just pure html as the web intended. However I code to XHTML 1.0 which came after css. (you can do print design that is resolution independent - moreso than you can for web browsers). Observation of this assertion is first instance for me. Please elaborate. I design using Adobe Illustrator and create eps files which are vector, not bitmap images. They can, therefore, be printed at any size with zero degradation. I know that modern browsers are designed to support vector images but that's certainly not universally available. -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/hypergossip_uk and http://facebook.com/chris.t.price *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Current thinking on fixed width/liquid design ?
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ben Davies wrote: I prefer liquid layouts, but I use a max-width property to control how wide my content is allowed to get. That's what I do, too. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Lyn Smith l...@westernwebdesign.com.auwrote: Good morning Was wondering what the latest opinions are on using fixed width or liquid design in light of the ever increasing size of monitor screens. Having just got a new computer with a 24 screen, I was not happy with the look of some of my liquid design sites. While they are OK in screen resolutions up to 1280, above that, they seem too stretched out. One in particular had a couple of lines of text which went from one side of the screen to the other - not a good look. It seems to me, going by the sites I have frequented of late, that many seem to favour fixed width of 900-1000px which requires scrolling for 800x600 resolutions but don't look too bad whatever the higher size of screen and resolution. -- Lyn Smith www.westernwebdesign.com.au Affordable website design Perth WA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5
a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour, doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning. but when everything is in a div, div ceases to have much meaning. It simply says theres a bunch of things on the page that are separate to each other without giving any clue as to what they might contain Similarly, a #id was originally designated as the location within a page, not for CSS - semantically it is to reference a particular piece of information, within the bigger piece of content, eg: a section header maybe... It just so happens that it works really well for CSS too. And simplifying content manipulation. And so on. but in the context of the question, the reason to use header, for instance, vs div id=header, is to add meaning to the markup I'm not sure why you would infer that information in section's, is any more important than stuff written in a div? Can you elaborate? ie: assistive technologies can already target div's, so using that argument needs more. I didn't intend to infer that, I was just trying to show how section is more useful because it can be programmatically accessed in a way that div id=section can't. With regard to relevance of content, I was just trying to say that a search engine *might* choose to weight content in a given tag more than in another, whereas if everything is in a div it's harder to do this. A better example would have been to have said that the content in article *might* be more relevant to a search engine than the content in aside - compared with div id=article and div id=sidebar which would be harder to tell apart. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5
Tom, I think the answer to that is semantics - div has no meaning. Id's are there for you to manipulate the look and behaviour, the tags themselves offer a way for third parties to glean meaning from the page. e.g you could build an overview of a page by grabbing the first bit of text inside each section, assistive technologies can benefit from knowing what part of the page is the main part, header, footer, asdie or google might give greater weight to any text inside a section etc. The problem is that IE currently doesn't recognise these tags, but if you do this for any element it does... script document. createElement(‘ header’ ); document. createElement(‘ nav’ ) ; document. createElement(‘ article’ ) ; document. createElement(‘ footer’ ); /script or use this which includes it... http://remysharp.com/2009/01/07/html5-enabling-script/ except the issue here is that it makes your page dependent on javascript. Without it some elements will be styled in IE, some won't (the above comes from Introducing HTML5 by Remy Sharp and Bruce Lawson) -- Chris Knowles On 13/08/10 6:38 AM, Tom Livingston wrote: List, Here's a theory question ( i think) for ya. I'm working on a layout, and am attempting to usesection andaside. Properly, I believe. But as I look at my layout, I'm thinking ok, i'll put an ID on this section, and one on that section... and I stopped and thought Uh oh... it's the same as i've always done withdiv id= etc. Am I wrong? Is there still benefit to usingsection... I don't wanna just substitute div for section... am I way off track already?? help... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jelina Korhecz wrote: Hi Dan, As far as I'm aware, this is still necessary. However, if you're doing a huge replacement of to amp; you can use BBEdit or (the free version) Text Wrangler to find and replace over multiple files. (However this program is only available on the mac--I'm not sure if Windows/Linux has a similar application.) Linux (or any Unix system) has many tools to do the job: sed, awk, or any decent text editor. On GNU/Linux, for example: sed -i -e 's/amp;/\/g' -e 's//\amp;' *html If you need a hand with using BBEdit/Text Wrangler, feel free to drop me a line :) On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
I have stats from a few websites which show a similar picture: Financial services site (5800 visitors over the last couple of months): Internet Explorer 80.12% Firefox9.52% Safari 5.71% Chrome 3.52% Mozilla0.34% Opera 0.29% And for IE: 8.060.43% 7.027.03% 6.012.55% An e-commerce site (just over 3000 visitors in the last month): Internet Explorer 67.42% Firefox20.42% Safari 5.22% Chrome 4.50% Opera 1.44% For which IE: 8.060.58% 7.024.95% 6.014.47% However a small blogging site (4000 visitors over the last month) shows very different results: Firefox49.42% Internet Explorer 21.60% Chrome 10.66% Safari 7.51% Opera 6.96% Mozilla3.76% Of which IE: 8.059.04% 7.026.37% 6.014.59% So I'd say for most mainstream commercial sites, IE6 is definitely still a consideration. Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] two Safari issues
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, tee wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, tee wrote: On Apr 25, 2010, at 2:51 PM, tee wrote: In this site, if you click on Accordion menu, in the second (last) menu, Safari shows a rectangular outlined block; hover to the Links' menu, you can see the extra outlined block. Seems to be related to hover but I can't anything in my code that is causing it. http://simplissimo.com.br/blog/ Nobody knows? The first step is always to make sure that you are using valid HTML. http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsimplissimo.com.br%2Fblog%2F Once the HTML is OK, you can look at other things. No offend Chris! You might want to study what those validation errors are first and if they are related to the issue in Safari (and Safari only) before telling me to clean up my client's markup. In a Web standards group, validation is always an issue. If there are errors, how do you know that the browser's error correction isn't causing the problem? The errors are easy to fix, so why not do it? -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Horizontal scroll bar sometimes appear in my project
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Naim Latifi wrote: Hi, I removed width:1085px but my container changed and the horizontal bar still is appearing. Provide a URL so that we can see what's happening. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE ignores MIME type
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, David Hucklesby wrote: A student at a Web design course asked me how to include a common heading on all his pages without copy and pasting into each. I walked him through the process of making a Server-Side Include. http://webwiz.robinshosting.com/jaime/ This is a demo I made for him. The view source is named with a .txt suffix, and sent as Content Type text/plain. But Internet Explorer, alone among my browsers, insists on displaying the two files containing HTML as if they were text/html. Oddly, IE 7 will display the included file as intended on page refresh. All other IE versions stubbornly refuse. Any ideas how to get IE to play nice, please? Rename the file index.txt instead of index.html.txt Firefox used to do the same thing, IIRC. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] blockquote
Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes. Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox. I can't see what value it now has. Being a block quote you would assume it is a block element but if it requires a container it just seems to be an unnecessary layer. Wouldn't it be better to simply encase a quote in a p and give a class 'blockquote'? On 4 April 2010 03:39, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, blockquote/blockquote cannot be used alone. It produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? Also, can the blockquote tag have a class assigned to it? TIA -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/hypergossip_uk and http://facebook.com/chris.t.price *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Using a dot . in a class name
I would have thought the problem would be when you want to use it in a
stylesheet...
.ratingL-4.5 {...}
presumably a browser will read this as two classes. But if it's purely
there for something like javascript to grab hold of and interpret it
should be ok
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Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
Hi all,
I've noticed that YouTube uses a dot for its star rating:
button class=[...] ratingL ratingL-4.5
It seems to work in browsers, but I'd like to know if this character is valid
and if it might have future implications if used that way.
Thanks,
Jens
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Re: [WSG] Remove horizontal scroll in the page
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Naim Latifi wrote:
Hi,
I have realized that in a screen 17 inches I have the horizontal scroll.
Below is the code for the container that I have in a page.
#container{ -moz-background-clip: border;
-moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;-moz-background-origin:padding;
width:1085px;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;
background-color:White;
}
How to remove the horizontal scroll ?
Remove width:1085px;
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Re: [WSG] Data URI encoder
Hi Mike I had a play - wow - I seriously didn't realise that you could do this, (although now I think about it, its how Google sends data back to themselves in a 1px by 1 px image yes?) So while I think its a fun tool, I'm wondering what the applications actually would be. And are there tools that do the reverse? Cheers Chris On 10/02/2010 10:21 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: Hi all, May I ask the group to critique and comment on this image to data URI conversion tool? http://websemantics.co.uk/online_tools/image_to_data_uri_convertor/ thanks Mike Foskett http://websemantics.co.uk/ This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Data URI encoder
The main application is to reduce HTTP requests and thereby increase page delivery speed. Hi Mike, I see that the page you refer to links to a stylesheet with 4 images embedded in it, rather than the stylesheet linking to those 4 images, therefore, you have one http request rather than 5 and also, that stylesheet has an expires header set to 10 years from now. You say it's a lot faster, but I question the value of going to this trouble. I agree there is a performance gain, but if you link to the images from the stylesheet instead and also set an expires header on them then subsequent page loads become irrelevant so it's just the initial visit with an empty cache that is affected. Given that the download size is pretty much the same with either method, the only gain i can see is a marginal one from those initial extra 4 http requests. Is that really such a huge gain? -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye back again.
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, PurencoolGmail wrote: Hi everyone I have slowly going through all the tips this group gave me and add fixes etc. But I have on fix i can't fix and that is the foot ul it does not mater what I do I cannot get the li or a or ul padding or margin to move the css top down can anyone see an issue? Also someone suggested highlighting the link of the page the user is currently view. How do others do this as I have never tried it. Thanks the site is www.purencool.com Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Transitional! Result: 13 Errors Address:http://www.purencool.com -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Jason Grant wrote: Thanks to people who have commented via blog and email. ... @Chris F.A. Johnson That page is accessible, it just looks shit in the browser you tested in (whatever you have used there - would have nice to have test environment details). The only environment detail that matters is the font size. You haven't allowed for users with a different default font size -- and that *is* a matter of accessibility. I don't care. Content is visible and accessible. I am not intending to support everything under the Sun under my blog. Why not? It's more work to prevent it working everywhere than it is to *let* it work everywhere. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Jason Grant wrote: @Chris I couldn't resist this Sir. Your site: http://chess.cfajohnson.com/ Uses two tables on the front page. The first should be a dl and both are missing thead section. Poor accessibility. I agree. That's a very old page that I haven't yet got around to fixing up. It's also an unusual practice to be putting inline images into an h1, but at the very top you have h1aimg construct going on. There's nothing wrong with unusual. HHmmm. Anyway. Back to my shell script. ;-) -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Jason Grant wrote: @Chris F. A. Johnson Once again, the site only looks rubbish for most part and is still accessible with larger font size. But even that is unnecessary; there's no good reason not to have it look good for everyone. How do you propose overcoming this issue with fixed width layouts. Don't use fixed-width layouts. http://cfaj/cfajohnson.com/webdesign/fixed-width/ I don't want my site to look rubbish like your for 98% of my users. What, pray tell, looks like rubbish? What doesn't work for 99% of viewers? Also with CSS switched off the site's content is perfectly visible with whatever default font size. One would certainly hope so! Now take it that tiny step further and make it work for everyone no matter what their default font size. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
Nor, apparently, does a page which works: http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/flexewebs.jpg. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML 5
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Jayachandran Kandasamy wrote: Hi All, Anybody is studying HTML 5 tutorial - like the tutorials should have examples and solutions for modern browser compatibility, please share the tutorials if it is available online What tutorial are you talkiing about??? URL?? -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] produce page vallidation
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. got errors again. sorry for bothering you guys. but this is stupid. not sure why it is not liking some of my tags. maybe getting mixed up with html and xhmtl. I think someone has already mentioned these problems: You have a p before the body tag. You have two br / tags where they don't belong. (You should remove all such cases and use CSS to get extra space.) -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] index page vallidation
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Marvin Hunkin wrote: can you help me out. Possibly -- if you post a URL. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Styling IE8 web slices
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: Hi all, I find that when implementing a web slice its background displays a sprite we use. All efforts so far to style the background to plain white failed (even with inline styles as recommended by MS [1]). Has anyone successfully styled web slices that do not have a separate HTML source? What does a proprietary technique have to do with web standards? Does it even work with anything other than IE8? [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc848871%28VS.85%29.aspx -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Doug Burt wrote: Marvin, You may want to try checking out the W3Schools at http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp That site should provide you with way more than enough information to do a couple of tutorials.. Unless their CSS tutorial is better than their HTML, I'd avoid w3schools like the plague! - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: [WSG] css tutorial hi. well a member of blind geeks. and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css. did learn css in my web design course in 2007. and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently. but my question is: what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to write a short css tutorial. and how to write one. and what do i need to put in it. just asking. i do know css, but a bit rusty. and totally blind. so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen. so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for this technical group. Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Frank Palinkas wrote:
Hi Marvin.
Also, please try our Opera Web Standards Curriculum section 27 entitled CSS
basics, written and contributed by Christian Heilmann.
Here is the hyperlink to it:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/27-css-basics/
I find it hard to take it seriously when it has
body { font-size:62.5%; } in http://dev.opera.com/css/screen.css
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:
hi.
well a member of blind geeks.
and asked to write a short basic tutorial on css.
did learn css in my web design course in 2007.
and di use it a bit to tweek a web project recently.
but my question is:
what resources and what links to some tutorials to get a handle on how to
write a short css tutorial.
and how to write one.
and what do i need to put in it.
just asking.
i do know css, but a bit rusty.
and totally blind.
so the biggest problem, where things are located on screen.
so any one got any ideas where to start and how to write a tutorial for
this
technical group.
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Re: [WSG] css tutorial
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Matthew Pennell wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson
ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote:
I find it hard to take it seriously when it has
body { font-size:62.5%; } in http://dev.opera.com/css/screen.css
If you're going to snipe, it's a good idea to provide an explanation and say
why you think something is a bad idea.
http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/
Every other discussion group I participate in regards clagnut
with derision.
There is no good reason for anything other than font-size: 100%.
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Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jayachandran Kandasamy wrote: Hi Dwaal, Please dont practice to use BR tags for line breaks.. Why not? That's what they're for. it is not standard web development The W3C says otherwise. and lot of compatibility issues will occur across browsers and internet devices :) :) ??? Can you be more specific? Of course one shouldn't use them in continuous blocks of text (the browser will take care of it), but where a line break is needed they are fine. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Frances de Waal dw...@mac.com wrote: Hi there, May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics? In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it? I like your opinion. In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form semantically, both were using a list in the form. To me that seems totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be the reason of doing it that way? InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for every editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep saying that extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I agree they have no meaning semantically, but they do create extra code which is not neccessary for the content. But then again, we don't talk about 100 divs here. So, besides of best practice, is there any place where the extra divs may have bad influence? Frances de Waal www.waalweb.nl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, designer wrote: If any of you guys are around at this time, I'd be really grateful if you could have a look at: http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/altgam/gwelanmor.html The yellow background doesn't suit the page. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, designer wrote: @Chris - I've set a white background, so I hope your yellow one has gone now! It's still yellow. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
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Re: [WSG] :: makeready ::
I can see you are an artist. It looks like a website that's been designed by an artist. Looking at the site in Firefox my first reaction is to want to drag it to the left. Somehow being right aligned it feels uncomfortable - I wonder why the white space on the left. I was also a little puzzled why the title of the home page is 'about'. When I click the home button I go back to about with home disabled and vice versa. I can understand why you have done it but it seems a little quirky. I also seem to be doing a lot of scrolling (the page is long rather than wide) and it took me a little while to understand what was happening with the sets. I hope this is helpful. 2009/12/22 David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions on this site. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ Best, ~d *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/hypergossip_uk and http://facebook.com/chris.t.price *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Dropdown Menu disappears after 2nd or 3rd links down
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Kristine Cummins wrote: Hi all, When hovering about the 2nd or 3rd links down in the dropdown, it disappears instead of allowing the user to scroll the entire list of links. The issue is in Safari and seems to work fine in IE and Firefox Menu / Web page: http://www.artscouncilnapavalley.org/test/index.shtml Unless I move fast, the entire drop-down menu disappears before I can reach the first item. (Drop-down menus are not good for usability.) The tabs have useless title attributes; they just repeat the text in the tab. CSS: http://www.artscouncilnapavalley.org/test/menu.css The dropdown css is towards the bottom of the file. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Positioning not consistent
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Western Web Design wrote: Good morning all The following seems to be happening in all browsers: http://mail.freshfield.com.au:81/x/tonyb/home.php?action1=hirestage=shirts 27 errors. If the HTML is incorrect, you cannot expect anything to be consistent. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, Frances de Waal wrote:
Hi there,
May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics?
In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do with
each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few occasions to use
breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it? I like your opinion.
In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form semantically,
both were using a list in the form. To me that seems totally unneccessary
plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be the reason of doing it that
way?
InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for every
editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep saying that extra
divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I agree they have no meaning
semantically, but they do create extra code which is not neccessary for the
content. But then again, we don't talk about 100 divs here. So, besides of
best practice, is there any place where the extra divs may have bad influence?
I would use pre:
pre class=poem
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
/pre
pre.poem
{
font-family: , serif;
}
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RE: [WSG] my final site [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Marvin, The date and time pop up in your menu bar when you click on copyright... It's not accessibility or standards related but your copyright message needs fixing. It should at least read No unauthorised reproduction of material is allowed by the copyright holder. Any unauthorized person reproducing this material without written consent could be prosecuted by the Australian Federal Police. At the moment your text has a double negative so you're saying unauthorised reproduction is allowed and you're saying the material would be prosecuted, not the person reproducing it. Wouldn't hurt if you put in a privacy policy too. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Krystian Szastok Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 9:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] my final site I would put copyright and credits at the bottom, next to copyright in the footer... Looks a bit empty as well, I know we're not giving style advice here, but still... On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Stuart Foulstone stu...@bigeasyweb.co.uk wrote: Hi Marvin, The semantics of the headers on your recipe page are wrong. Headers show the structure of the underlying document with the numbering indicating the position of importance and order. Thus, h1recipe nameh1 h2Ingredientsh2 h2Directionsh2 h3Country/h3 would relate the country, h3, to the previous recipe's h2 and h1 and not to the next recipe as you intend. On Wed, November 25, 2009 3:35 am, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well take a look at this site. hopefully it is what everyone has been giving me advice. so hopefully this is the final version. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Krystian Szastok http://www.bozboz.co.uk - flash development, ecommerce, SEO http://www.searchoptimist.co.uk - Digital Marketing Company in Brighton *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Re: [WSG] updated website feedback
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. sorry to have bothered people with the last message. must have had a brain fade and did not mean to go to their. totally forgot i had sent that. so sorry about that. now have revamped my joe's fruit shop and a friend helped me out editing the images. and giving me some pointers. so have redesigned the site. feedback please? before i move on to fixing my next project. which is the Corvette Veterans Club Site. cheers Marvin. www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Transitional! Result: 23 Errors Address:http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ There is a horizontal scroll bar if my browser window is less than ~1000px. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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RE: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Thanks everyone for the feedback. Lots to work with there. Good stuff. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 8:58 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] 2009/10/21 Chris Vickery chris.vick...@privacy.gov.au: In this case it's for an input field, not a textarea, and enter will still not submit (unless you tab out) so in this case makes it contrary to 'native browser behaviour'. This would potentially create annoyance to users of Safari on an iPhone or iPod Touch. When you have a text input focused (in contrast to a textarea) Mobile Safari displays a big blue [ Go ] button in the bottom right corner which one would expect will submit the form (equivalent to hitting Enter). If Enter does not submit the form it will be necessary for Mobile Safari users to leave the 'form mode' by clicking [Done] and then manually tap the submit button. I would consider this unexpected behaviour a usability issue at very least. Cheers Ollie -- @ollicle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
We're accessibility testing at the moment. We've got some email forms (ie. Put in your email address to subscribe - submit) that do not currently submit if you press enter. Personally I feel this should be an accessibility issue, but I am finding it difficult to locate any solid documentation to back up my claim. I've had the argument put to me that a keyboard only user could still tab to the submit button, then press enter, but this seems very unintuitive to me to force users to do this. I've also had put to me that some users get confused if they want to put line breaks in a field and submit by accident... and so to be consistent pressing enter should never submit a form. (data entry people would love that one :P) Is submitting by pressing enter from a form best practice, or just common practice? Is it an accessibility problem? ... and to what degree? *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Thanks Jason, In this case it's for an input field, not a textarea, and enter will still not submit (unless you tab out) so in this case makes it contrary to 'native browser behaviour'. Essentially our input fields would, (although they identify themselves as input fields) would behave like textareas, without line breaks. I'm not really familiar with using a text to speech reader, but that sounds messy to me. Interestingly the source itself looks pretty straight forward: div id=abc-form class=form form name=abcform id=abcform method=post action= input type=text name=abcform[email1] value= id=email1 class=text /input type=submit name=form[subscribebutton1] value=Subscribe id=subscribebutton1 / /form /div There must be something buried in the styling causing this behaviour. Chris From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 11:03 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Chris, The submission by pressing enter is a native browser behaviour, hence is not an accessibility issue. You will only be able to submit via enter from an input field and not from a textarea, which you have to tab out of and then hit enter. So I doubt you will find any references to back-up your claim. If you do, send it through so we can debunk it. :-D Best, Jason Sent from my BlackBerry(r) wireless device From: Chris Vickery chris.vick...@privacy.gov.au Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:20:51 +1100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgwsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] We're accessibility testing at the moment. We've got some email forms (ie. Put in your email address to subscribe - submit) that do not currently submit if you press enter. Personally I feel this should be an accessibility issue, but I am finding it difficult to locate any solid documentation to back up my claim. I've had the argument put to me that a keyboard only user could still tab to the submit button, then press enter, but this seems very unintuitive to me to force users to do this. I've also had put to me that some users get confused if they want to put line breaks in a field and submit by accident... and so to be consistent pressing enter should never submit a form. (data entry people would love that one :P) Is submitting by pressing enter from a form best practice, or just common practice? Is it an accessibility problem? ... and to what degree? *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] wrap in print
Is the css applied to the print media or just the screen? ie: is it linked via link href=your stylesheet here media=screen rel=stylesheet type=text/css / ? if so try link href=your stylesheet here media=all rel=stylesheet type=text/css / 2009/10/13 Naveen Bhaskar naveenbhas...@live.in on screen it floats correctly. but with the code given below , its not happenign while printing div img psome text/p psome text/p psome text/p /div *From:* Matthew Pennell matthewpenn...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:42 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] wrap in print On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Naveen Bhaskar naveenbhas...@live.inwrote: Is there any way to wrap the text around an image while printing. my structure is like this You mean you want to float the image? Or something more complicated? You can't wrap text completely around an image (i.e. all four sides). - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Spam] :Menu stacking incorrectly in IE
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009, Kristine Cummins wrote: Please see: http://www.artscouncilnapavalley.org/test/index.shtml Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Strict! Result: 49 Errors Fixing the errors may or may not fix the problem, but it's always the first step. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 display issue
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Western Web Design wrote: Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/keynorthcontractors/index.html There is a problem with ungainly wordspacing in the justified text and text that overflows its box: http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/keynorth.jpg. As you can see from the JPEG I posted, the CAPABILITY STATEMENT falls below the footer. You need to add clear: both to the Website by paragraph. OK thanks - I am assuming this issue is only in IE6? I've done a lot of browsershots and they seem OK as far as the #footer is concerned, except for IE6. It has nothing to do with the browser. I'm using FireFox, but it would be the same in any browser. In order to be able to read the site, I have the font-size larger than you have allowed for. But, as I mentioned, the problem is not just that, but the fact that you have your credits where the third footerbox should be, so the box is pushed down. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 display issue
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Western Web Design wrote: http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/keynorthcontractors/index.html There is a problem with ungainly wordspacing in the justified text and text that overflows its box: http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/keynorth.jpg. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 display issue
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Western Web Design wrote: http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/keynorthcontractors/index.html There is a problem with ungainly wordspacing in the justified text and text that overflows its box: http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/keynorth.jpg. I am not seeing that at all - where are you seeing it? 3 boxes @ 250px wide should fit in a 900px wide footer, shouldn't they? Even with padding I changed the original liquid design to a fixed width one as I was getting a lot of problems like that so I don't understand how it is happening. The text doesn't fit into the height you have given the box. (Not everyone uses the same font-size as you.) The spacing on the justified text is made worse because you have contrained the width; if it were allowed to expand to fill the window, more words would fit on a line and there wouldn't be such large interword spacing. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 display issue
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Western Web Design wrote: Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Western Web Design wrote: http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/keynorthcontractors/index.html There is a problem with ungainly wordspacing in the justified text and text that overflows its box: http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/keynorth.jpg. I am not seeing that at all - where are you seeing it? 3 boxes @ 250px wide should fit in a 900px wide footer, shouldn't they? Even with padding I changed the original liquid design to a fixed width one as I was getting a lot of problems like that so I don't understand how it is happening. The text doesn't fit into the height you have given the box. (Not everyone uses the same font-size as you.) Sorry, Chris - I have not given the box a height so not sure what you mean. It has margin and padding. As you can see from the JPEG I posted, the CAPABILITY STATEMENT falls below the footer. You need to add clear: both to the Website by paragraph. The spacing on the justified text is made worse because you have contrained the width; I don't know what you mean by contrained. Sorry, not a word I have come across. Typo; I meant constrained. I have changed the justified text to left-align. Does this make a difference? That is better. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:
Chris,
I am not sure what system you tested this on, but it doesn't work on any
system I tried, and indeed it shouldn't: the marker is a part of the LI
not of the UL.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-type
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLELowercase latin numbering/TITLE
STYLE type=text/css
ol { list-style-type: lower-roman }
/STYLE
/HEAD
BODY
OL
LI This is the first item.
LI This is the second item.
LI This is the third item.
/OL
/BODY
/HTML
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Chris F.A. Johnson
Sent: 06 October 2009 19:00
To: wsg
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Richard Mather wrote:
ul
li class=blackcontent/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li.black {
color:#000;
}
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Re: [WSG] elasticity and floats
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, designer wrote: Can anyone help me sort a problem please: I want to make a banner/masthead with 4 divs. Nos 1,2 and 4 are fixed width and I want div 3 to be flexible width and fill the gap: div id=wrapper [fixed- float left] [fixed - float left] [elastic - no floats] [fixed - float right] /div The wrapper div takes care of the clearing, using overflow : hidden. It's easy with a table, but I don't seem to be able to do it with floats. The ways I've tried either don't line up the divs vertically, or the 3rd div width shrinks to content size. I hope I've explained this properly (nothing online to see yet) and I hope someone can help. Is this what you want: http://cfajohnson.com/testing/floatdivs.shtml ? -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS list-style
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Richard Mather wrote:
Hi all,
I'm wondering about colouring bullet points in a ul and wanted to know if
there was a way of having the list-style: a different colour to the text
within the li without having to resort to putting it all within a
spanas per my example:
ul
lispancontent/span/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li span {
color:#000;
}
ul
li class=blackcontent/li
/ul
ul {
color:#380;
list-style-type:disc;
}
ul li.black {
color:#000;
}
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Re: [WSG] unbalanced q tags for extended quotations?
How I imagine the markup to be is something like this
pThis is the start of the textqand this is the start of the
quotation/q/ppqthis is the end of the quotation/q and some more
text/p
Off the top of my head I would use something like this css
q{
quotes: '' '';
}
q:last-child{
quotes: '' '';
}
Unfortunately, the :last-child psuedo class does not take into account text
nodes after the elements. Which would mean that inserting a class to signify
the no-end quotes would be needed.
style
.multi-paragraph{
quotes: '' '';
}
/style
pThis is the start of the textq class=multi-paragraphand this is the
start of the quotation/q/ppqthis is the end of the quotation/q and
some more text/p
Can anyone else think of a way to do this without the class injection?
2009/10/1 Savl Ekk ankhscri...@gmail.com
Maybe 'blockquote' tag? And some styles to it.
2009/10/1 Robert Turner r...@flexadata.com
There is quot; and apos;, but I don't think IE supports apos;. I think
the Unicode entity is something like #39; or #37;. You could also declare
quot as an entity in your doctype to assist IE (IE needs help).
Would that solve your problem?
T. R. Valentine wrote:
Quotations which are more than one paragraph in length are supposed to
get opening quotation marks for each paragraph and only a single
closing quotation mark at the very end (in English). It does not seem
this can be done using semantic markup, i.e. q tags. Is there some way
to use q tags and get the UA to stop treating each paragraph as a new
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Re: [WSG] new site review
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Raul Ferrer wrote: http://www.raulferrer.com The contrast between most of the text and its background is so low as to be unreadable. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
Hi - I'll be on leave from Monday 15th September - Tuesday 6th October. In that time Vikki Hsieh can help you with any matters relating to USiT. Cheers Chris Khalil, Director of User Experience, USiT YEAR OF THE BLOOD DONOR 2009 This special year aims to raise awareness of the ongoing need for blood and to encourage more Australians to find out their blood type and how they can help. Do something special. Give blood. Call 13 14 95 or visit donateblood.com.au *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments are free from computer virus or other defect. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Strange Table Border Rendering in everything BUT FF and IE
Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello All - This is the first time I've come across this issue. First, go here in either FireFox or IE7 or greater: http://www.sangat.ph/index.php?cmd=08.01.00 Both of these browsers render two guestbook entries (displayed in a table) with a thin green line set on the top border of each of the two tables. This is the way it should look. Now, if you go to the same page with Opera, Safari (windows), or Chrome, the table border only renders to the width of td class=flag within each of these two tables. Hummm. Hi Cole in the first row the td needs a colspan of 2 I think table cellspacing=0 class=guestBook trtdnbsp;/td/tr should be... table cellspacing=0 class=guestBook trtd colspan='2'nbsp;/td/tr -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, nedlud wrote: I second that. On the other hand, after looking at a few of the links the first few times I received those messages, I now delete them unseen. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.auwrote: Hi there I?d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ ? it?s really appreciated! -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my latest version of my page
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well replaced the image for the rollovers. take a look at http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: any feedback, good, bad or ugly. Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Transitional! Result: 3 Errors Address:http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com/ (The other pages I checked were fine.) Ugly background colour. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Using Fonts
Marvin, Sitepoint have a good article on font stacks which I've found to be a very easy way of making text look quite a bit better: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/eight-definitive-font-stacks/ Regards Chris -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin Sent: 12 September 2009 13:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Using Fonts hi. creating a asp dot net site in visual web developer express 2008. now, to look visually appealing , as well as functional. instead of just having the boring times new roman fonts. what fonts would you suggest i should use for the site. what is the most common fonts, that should be used. if any one has got any low vision at all. what would look really appealing on a page. for fonts. for all elements and controls on my pages i am creating with a friend. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
Hi - I'll be on leave from Monday 15th September - Tuesday 6th October. In that time Vikki Hsieh can help you with any matters relating to USiT. Cheers Chris Khalil, Director of User Experience, USiT YEAR OF THE BLOOD DONOR 2009 This special year aims to raise awareness of the ongoing need for blood and to encourage more Australians to find out their blood type and how they can help. Do something special. Give blood. Call 13 14 95 or visit donateblood.com.au *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments are free from computer virus or other defect. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] strange web page problems
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Marvin Hunkin wrote: when i down graded back from ie 8 to ie 7, had created a student web project and a style sheet and java script. it was reading all my styles, fonts, and a table on the main page. but now. when i upgraded to ie 8. got the same problem again. not telling me the font name. what is the problem. It's impossible to tell without seeing the page. Please post a URL. Before you do that, however, make sure that the page is valid HTML and CSS. Go to http://validator.w3.org. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web hosting
info wrote: Also, not meaning to flame you, but if you think the server needs to support javascript, then I doubt you really know what your doing. Javascript comes down to the client side browser, not the server side host. javascript is a server side and client side language, so maybe Marvin needs it on the server Marvin, is this a small project site or a commercial site? Because if it's just a project, maybe theres someone out there with some kind of reseller account that could give you some space for free? I have one and I would, but it's Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP hosting. As others have stated, the problem you have is the technologies you require have expensive licenses and so free hosting is going to be hard to come by. But if you confirm it's only a small site, maybe someone out there has a bit of spare space? -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] accessibility: government [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
There's also a guide for Australian Government agencies here: http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/ As a couple of people have said... at the end of the day it's just different flavours of W3C -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Sue Choong Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 9:29 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility: government Very useful links thanks Andrew On 27/08/2009, at 7:27 AM, Andrew Boyd faci...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Lucl...@dzinelabs.com wrote: Good afternoon list, Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of accessibility features for each country (governments)? -- Regards, Luc Hi Luc, here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of accessibility issues (amongst others) at http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html Others may wish to add to the list above. Best regards, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxaustralia.com.au -- UX Australia Conference Canberra 2009 http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss http://resilientnationaustralia.org Resilient Nation Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, James Jeffery wrote: Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? Users don't want to change the type size; they set it at their preferred size and want to leave it there. Having to change it for different sites is a PITA! A well-designed site will work no matter what the user's font size (within a very wide range). I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
You have to remove yourself from the list; see the instructions at the bottom of every post. On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Scott Andrews wrote: Dont just auto mail me back. Actually delete me From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Scott Andrews Sent: 18 August 2009 11:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Please remove me from these emails. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Collins Sent: 18 August 2009 11:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? I think it's still necessary... These articles sum it up well. http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end _of_flexibility/ _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
Foskett, Mike wrote: I need to have larger text to read articles and it annoys me when the whole page zooms and goes horizontally off the page. It just goes to show that you can't rely on technology to fix all the issues. You need an accessibility mindset to cover all the angles. -- Kind Regards Chris Price chris.pr...@choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 629 0227 Choctaw Media Fertile Ground for Websites Follow me on Twitter Catch up with me on LinkedIn ~~ Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd ~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB, United Kingdom. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org***
