Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-25 Thread designer
(was Mystical belief etc) By the photo, Foster seems to be around 70 years old... and I bet he has problems reading he's own site's tiny little letters. Cheers, Angela On 4/20/05, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an architectural

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread James Ellis
Hi all This is starting to push off topic. Please keep it on the topic of accessibility (maybe start a new thread that is more descriptive) or take it elsewhere... and remember our list guidelines about abuse. Thanks James -- admin ** The

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread designer
This is tending to drift off-topic, but it is a valid part of standards because we're discussing accessibility issues in relation to design and the role of 'image' in design. (So now I feel better :-). The attitude that says 'visually impaired people don't matter because it isn't for them' may

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread heretic
So, the point is, to say that 'Flash is awful because it's not accessible' and all that stuff is to completely miss the point - it isn't for folk with disabilities - the html option is. Surely? I'd say Flash is mostly a problem because it frequently breaks all usability and accessibility

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread Albert Gedraitis
This reply shifts focus a bit, but with the word aesthetics being considered relevant to the discussion, if not the only norm for design of websites, I'd like to speak up for the semiotic dimension. Images also speak like words, but more shimmeringly. I don't refer to an animation or Flash

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:46:13 +1000, heretic wrote: Maybe architecture is different in america, but here in australia architects write the construction specification which has very little to do with how anything looks. Yes, aesthetics are a really significant part of the job; however so is

[WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread designer
Hi Kornel, 4 seconds and I go back to Mars. I saw the IMAGE, all hundreds kilobytes of it, but I don't know who they are and what they're selling. Well you would, if you looked at the site . . . Small and blurry text. I just skip over blocks of text because I can't read them. Clicking

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Iva Koberg
IMO this site creates a bad image for their owners rather than a positive one, but personal opinions aside... I wonder if those who seem to like this type of site can answer a few questions to help us put this in perspective: What is the purpose for the existence of this site? What do the

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
designer wrote: 4 seconds and I go back to Mars. I saw the IMAGE, all hundreds kilobytes of it, but I don't know who they are and what they're selling. Well you would, if you looked at the site . . . And what if I'm blind or visually impaired? Or are you going to argue that in that case, you

RE: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Collin Davis
Well you would, if you looked at the site . . . And what if I'm blind or visually impaired? Or are you going to argue that in that case, you won't appreciate the content of the site either, so b*gger off? I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an architectural or

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread pixeldiva
On 4/20/05, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an architectural or otherwise design showcase site - what designer is going to give half a though to blind or visually impaired users? Quite honestly, in a situation like this

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Collin Davis wrote: I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an architectural or otherwise design showcase site - what designer is going to give half a though to blind or visually impaired users? Quite honestly, in a situation like this site... who cares about them? - it's

RE: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:40 PM 4/20/2005, Collin Davis wrote: I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an architectural or otherwise design showcase site - what designer is going to give half a though to blind or visually impaired users? Quite honestly, in a situation like this site... who

RE: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Collin Davis
-Original Message- From: pixeldiva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:07 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc) On 4/20/05, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about

RE: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Drake, Ted C.
me. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:38 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc) At 01:40 PM 4/20/2005, Collin Davis wrote: I would argue

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Richard Czeiger
Perhaps the point here should be: If you have a Flash Site and an HTML Site, then why not make the HTML Site accessible? It takes exactly the same amount of effort and it's not as though your design is extrameley difficult to be realised in standards compliant XHTML/CSS. Why not take a couple of

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Michael Wilson
Collin Davis wrote: I think you misunderstand my point - I'm talking about a very small niche here - design sites where the only purpose is to showcase design - not to be accessible, not to have content, not for any other purpose than showcasing design. I don't think anyone missed your point. It's

Re: {Spam?} Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-20 Thread Kay Smoljak
Vincent Flanders only includes business and/or public service sites as web sites that suck - he has stated in the past that he considers personal sites, entertainment sites etc to fall under different rules. Plus he's a lot more with it than Jakob, and more of a standards evangelist which Mr