[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Dominic Hey]

my apologies - the 'context' i referred to is fully out of the hands of the
designer - it is the browsing environment, determined via a mixture of
user-agent information, feature detection and media queries...

On 16 September 2012 16:54,  wrote:

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> From: Mathew Robertson 
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:01:42 +1000
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
>
> Part of the  vs  discussion, has been to define what features
> are actually required of this element.  Primarily this has come down to:
>
> a) responsive handling of bandwidth vs image-quality (aka bandwidth vs
> file-size)
> b) pixel density of display devices
> c) art direction
>
> [ Did I miss any? ]
>
> Breaking them down:
>
> a) bandwidth is completely out of control of the website designer... (eg:
> 3G bandwidth varies x10 with time) so there is next to no reason for markup
> (HTML or CSS) to be related to bandwidth.  If the designer chose to use
> JPEG2000, SVG, HDF or some other tileable/scalable format, then changes the
> scope somewhat, as the browser could implement "range requests" to the
> webserver to indicate which block of data would suit its currently
> available bandwidth.
>
> b) Pixel density depends completely on the target device... again outside
> of the designers control (unless you want to design for every version of
> every  device in existence). And again the best a designer can do is offer
> multiple images.  In which case, srcset seems like a nice way to go, as
> it leverage's an existing element thus allowing backwards compatibility.
>
> c) The art-direction aspect can be solved using variations of "clip(...)"
> combined with range-requests.
>
> An extra mention... the "media: max-width" variations are really not all
> that useful (unless you are targeting an exact screen size + density)... my
> eyes work well enough so that I can read small text, so would happily like
> to use tablet-width layouts on a small screen.
>
>
> The idea of "context" would seem appropriate... just need to remember that
> some of that context is not in the hands of the designer.
>
> Just  my $0.02...
> cheers,
> Mathew Robertson
>
> On 14 September 2012 17:03, Dominic Hey  wrote:
>
> > To paraphrase your own words.. if "an  is descriptive of the
> > target image" then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target
> > images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to
> > agree with you would be the "media" attribute, however if you abstract
> the
> > essence of a media query it is not, in itself, concerned with styling. It
> > is a conditional test.
> >
> > Perhaps we need a fourth element - context - to join the separate
> channels
> > of content, behaviour and appearance?
> >
> >
> > On 14 September 2012 16:43,  wrote:
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> >> From: Mathew Robertson 
> >> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:53:34 +1000
> >> Subject: responsive images
> >>
> >> In this week's links for light reading, there is a reference to
> responsive
> >> images, eg:
> >>
> >> http://www.netmagazine.com/features/road-responsive-images
> >>
> >> I'd be interested to hear this lists' opinion on the proposed syntax.
> >>
> >>
> >> To me this screams of putting styling information, into the document.
>  For
> >> comparison, we now use media queries to change font sizes and element
> >> locations, based on viewport size and/or direction.  I would have
> expected
> >> responsive images to be implemented in a similar manner, not with new
> html
> >> tags.
> >>
> >> In other words, an  is descriptive of the target image, and
> >> we
> >> add alt-attributes to describe it as such.   Simply showing a higher
> >> quality image of the same thing, shouldn't change the document
> structure.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> Mathew Robertson
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Mathew Robertson]

Part of the  vs  discussion, has been to define what features
are actually required of this element.  Primarily this has come down to:

a) responsive handling of bandwidth vs image-quality (aka bandwidth vs
file-size)
b) pixel density of display devices
c) art direction

[ Did I miss any? ]

Breaking them down:

a) bandwidth is completely out of control of the website designer... (eg:
3G bandwidth varies x10 with time) so there is next to no reason for markup
(HTML or CSS) to be related to bandwidth.  If the designer chose to use
JPEG2000, SVG, HDF or some other tileable/scalable format, then changes the
scope somewhat, as the browser could implement "range requests" to the
webserver to indicate which block of data would suit its currently
available bandwidth.

b) Pixel density depends completely on the target device... again outside
of the designers control (unless you want to design for every version of
every  device in existence). And again the best a designer can do is offer
multiple images.  In which case, srcset seems like a nice way to go, as
it leverage's an existing element thus allowing backwards compatibility.

c) The art-direction aspect can be solved using variations of "clip(...)"
combined with range-requests.

An extra mention... the "media: max-width" variations are really not all
that useful (unless you are targeting an exact screen size + density)... my
eyes work well enough so that I can read small text, so would happily like
to use tablet-width layouts on a small screen.


The idea of "context" would seem appropriate... just need to remember that
some of that context is not in the hands of the designer.

Just  my $0.02...
cheers,
Mathew Robertson

On 14 September 2012 17:03, Dominic Hey  wrote:

> To paraphrase your own words.. if "an  is descriptive of the
> target image" then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target
> images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to
> agree with you would be the "media" attribute, however if you abstract the
> essence of a media query it is not, in itself, concerned with styling. It
> is a conditional test.
>
> Perhaps we need a fourth element - context - to join the separate channels
> of content, behaviour and appearance?
>
>
> On 14 September 2012 16:43,  wrote:
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>> From: Mathew Robertson 
>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:53:34 +1000
>> Subject: responsive images
>>
>> In this week's links for light reading, there is a reference to responsive
>> images, eg:
>>
>> http://www.netmagazine.com/features/road-responsive-images
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear this lists' opinion on the proposed syntax.
>>
>>
>> To me this screams of putting styling information, into the document.  For
>> comparison, we now use media queries to change font sizes and element
>> locations, based on viewport size and/or direction.  I would have expected
>> responsive images to be implemented in a similar manner, not with new html
>> tags.
>>
>> In other words, an  is descriptive of the target image, and
>> we
>> add alt-attributes to describe it as such.   Simply showing a higher
>> quality image of the same thing, shouldn't change the document structure.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> Mathew Robertson
>>
>>
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Dominic Hey]

To paraphrase your own words.. if "an  is descriptive of the
target image" then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target
images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to
agree with you would be the "media" attribute, however if you abstract the
essence of a media query it is not, in itself, concerned with styling. It
is a conditional test.

Perhaps we need a fourth element - context - to join the separate channels
of content, behaviour and appearance?


On 14 September 2012 16:43,  wrote:

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> From: Mathew Robertson 
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:53:34 +1000
> Subject: responsive images
>
> In this week's links for light reading, there is a reference to responsive
> images, eg:
>
> http://www.netmagazine.com/features/road-responsive-images
>
> I'd be interested to hear this lists' opinion on the proposed syntax.
>
>
> To me this screams of putting styling information, into the document.  For
> comparison, we now use media queries to change font sizes and element
> locations, based on viewport size and/or direction.  I would have expected
> responsive images to be implemented in a similar manner, not with new html
> tags.
>
> In other words, an  is descriptive of the target image, and we
> add alt-attributes to describe it as such.   Simply showing a higher
> quality image of the same thing, shouldn't change the document structure.
>
>
> Thoughts?
> Mathew Robertson
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Dominic Hey]

joining the party a little late here.. unless i have misunderstood things
here this is a perfect situation to employ XSLT (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSLT). you can assign whatever attributes you
require to the XML and then use XSLT to have the browser render the file as
XHTML.


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> way?
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> Hi Isabel,
>
> It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the
> limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate
> to generate two separate files ie: HTML already has accessibility built
> in, and you get the XML file contain exactly what you require.
>
> regards,
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>
> On 1 August 2012 09:29, Isabel Santos  wrote:
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> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > thank you, and sorry for the delayed answer.
> >
> > The need for xml comes from the site being
> > a web application for an academic work.
> > The idea is to generate xml both to the site and for exchange purposes.
> >
> > I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant,
> > and would not optimise the resources.
> > In fact, accessibility, validity, design and usability are my own
> concerns,
> > they aren't part of the work, won't be evaluated,
> > and are taking more time then they should.
> >
> > Anyway, as long as it is possible to do,
> > the more difficult a work, the more one learns.
> >
> > I gess I've lost a good part of the WAI-ARIA development history,
> > it's kind of hard to understand the excessive and aparently arbitrary
> > strictness
> > of xhtml in regards to ARIA.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > isabel
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rob Crowther  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> What XML content do you need to include?  If you just stick to regular
> >> HTML5 then all the ARIA stuff is valid (with some sanity restrictions)
> and
> >> you won't have to work around the strict parsing:
> >>
> >> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/**web-apps/current-work/**
> >> multipage/elements.html#wai-**aria<
> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/elements.html#wai-aria
> >
> >>
> >> XML elements will be parsed into the HTML5 document tree, albeit
> slightly
> >> differently to how an XML document would be parsed, but maybe close
> enough
> >> for your purposes depending on what XML you'll be including.
> >>
> >> Rob
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> On 01/08/12 00:29, Isabel Santos wrote:
> > I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant,
> > and would not optimise the resources.
>
> Unless you serve the XHTML files with a MIME type of application/xml or
> application/xhtml+xml, which will break things in IE<9, the browser will
> treat all the content as HTML anyway.  This is precisely because of
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From: "Blumer, Luke" 
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:39:30 +1000
Subject: Page titles and WCAG2.0 compliance [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

Hi all,

Thanks for all your help in regards to the "Skip to" issue I was having. I 
have another question in regards to Page titles.

We are currently looking at ALL web pages in the following format:
Homepage: Australian Taxation Office | Home
All other web pages: Page Title | Australian Taxation Office

We are keen to have it in this format as it then provides a better search e
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[tee]

Very Neat. 


On May 26, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Justin Avery wrote:
> 
> Trent Walton originally wrote about it with his article, , before Jordan 
> Moore expanded on the idea with 
> http://www.jordanm.co.uk/post/21863299677/building-with-content-choreography 
> and was even nice enough to produce us a workable demo, 
> http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreography and explains further 
> http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreographydemo.

In the demo, navigation in the source code is still sitting below the header 
section when the screen is at 480px and below. How does this work for AT 
(VoiceOver for example) though if I want the navigation stay "below the fold"? 
I don't supposed the AT is smart enough to do what I want if I don't place the 
navigation code at the bottom section of the page.

tee

> 
> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM,  wrote
> 
> 
> From: tee 
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles
> 
> Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it
> invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none & invisible
> should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to
> display a block of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s)
> within it to confuse user.
> 
> When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation,  that navigation goes to
> the bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my
> approach is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's
> navigation instead of making duplication.
> 
> tee
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:
> 
> > List,
> >
> > We have a project being worked on that is being done using RWD. For
> > mobile, we are repeating the nav at the bottom of the page and
> > showing/hiding - with display: block/none; -  the appropriate navbar
> > based on min-width media queries.
> >
> > My question is if the desktop main nav has a role of 'navigation',
> > should the mobile nav at the bottom have that same role? Will that
> > mess up screen readers et al?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > --
> 
> *
> From: Tom Livingston 
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:44:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles
> 
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee  wrote:
> > Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisi
> ble AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none & invisible should pre
> cede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a blo
> ck of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s) within it to conf
> use user.
> >
> > When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation,  that navigation goes to t
> he bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my approach
> is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's navigation inst
> ead of making duplication.
> >
> > tee
> >
> >
> > On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:
> >
> >> List,
> >>
> 
> Thanks tee. My thoughts as well, but wasn't sure.
> 
> Also, I thought of absolute pos., but I do not think the structure I
> need will work with that.
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> --
> 
> 



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[Justin Avery]

You could look at implementing a solution that uses -flex-box to change the
orientation/order of your page elements at each break point.

Trent Walton originally wrote about it with his article, , before Jordan
Moore expanded on the idea with
http://www.jordanm.co.uk/post/21863299677/building-with-content-choreographyand
was even nice enough to produce us a workable demo,
http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreography and explains further
http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreographydemo.

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> From: tee 
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles
>
> Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it
> invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none & invisible
> should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to
> display a block of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s)
> within it to confuse user.
>
> When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation,  that navigation goes to
> the bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my
> approach is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's
> navigation instead of making duplication.
>
> tee
>
>
> On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:
>
> > List,
> >
> > We have a project being worked on that is being done using RWD. For
> > mobile, we are repeating the nav at the bottom of the page and
> > showing/hiding - with display: block/none; -  the appropriate navbar
> > based on min-width media queries.
> >
> > My question is if the desktop main nav has a role of 'navigation',
> > should the mobile nav at the bottom have that same role? Will that
> > mess up screen readers et al?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > --
>
> *
> From: Tom Livingston 
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:44:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee  wrote:
> > Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisi
> ble AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none & invisible should pre
> cede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a blo
> ck of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s) within it to conf
> use user.
> >
> > When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation,  that navigation goes to t
> he bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my approach
> is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's navigation inst
> ead of making duplication.
> >
> > tee
> >
> >
> > On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:
> >
> >> List,
> >>
>
> Thanks tee. My thoughts as well, but wasn't sure.
>
> Also, I thought of absolute pos., but I do not think the structure I
> need will work with that.
>
> Thanks again
>
> --
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From: Vicki Taylor 
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:15:51 +1000
Subject: Re: WSG Digest

Hi, Grant,

I'd recommend you have a look at this:  http://cssgrid.net/

Do it once, do it well, make it flexible.   :-)

V.


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> Subject: Mobile sites
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> Hello,
>
> I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
> improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is
> acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen
> widths (e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a
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[Vicki Taylor]

Hi, Grant,

I'd recommend you have a look at this:  http://cssgrid.net/

Do it once, do it well, make it flexible.   :-)

V.


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>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
> improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is
> acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen
> widths (e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a
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[Dominic Hey]

Hi Grant,

You could have a dedicated mobile site (using a sub-domain and server-side
client detection, for instance) with zero regard paid to accessibility
*or*standards.
Responsive design (using media queries, for instance) follow the DRY
principle - Don't Repeat Yourself. Rather than think about mobiles/desktops
I prefer to think of responsive design as catering to any number of devices
(think forward a few years to when we see 3G/web browsers built in to car
dashboards etc., or as the browsers built into televisions improve). For a
lot of websites (e.g. Skysports.com) the cost to integrate responsive
design into their existing templating system far exceeds the cost of
creating a dedicated mobile sub-domain. There should still only be one data
source however, for both implementations.

Regards,

Dominic


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>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
> improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is
> acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen
> widths (e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a
> separate mobile site requires additional work and therefore expense.
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[Tom Livingston]

You're kidding, right? You're not really arguing about More CSS are you? 

To quote a popular TV personality: "Bazzinga!"

Check the date today, people...

Sent from iOS 5

On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Chris F.A. Johnson"  wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Chad Furman wrote:
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>> Eww.  Why is "twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent" better than
>> "25.75%" -- and why is it mandatory?
> 
>   Do you prefer typing 2012-04-01 or 1 April 2012 or ...?
> 
>> Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner?  To
>> me, that is unnessecary typing!  MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and
>> time than necessary...
>> 
>> Glad it works for you... not for me, though.
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>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM,   wrote:
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>>> http://morecss.org/
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[Chris F.A. Johnson]

On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Chad Furman wrote:


Eww.  Why is "twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent" better than
"25.75%" -- and why is it mandatory?


   Do you prefer typing 2012-04-01 or 1 April 2012 or ...?


Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner?  To
me, that is unnessecary typing!  MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and
time than necessary...

Glad it works for you... not for me, though.

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You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years...
but is this the best CSS framework ever?
http://morecss.org/

:)
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Eww.  Why is "twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent" better than
"25.75%" -- and why is it mandatory?

Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner?  To
me, that is unnessecary typing!  MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and
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Glad it works for you... not for me, though.

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> http://morecss.org/
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Reactivo_Qu=EDmica_Visual?= 
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:11:12 +0100
Subject: Official syntax to style placeholder text

Hi,

¿Is there any official way to style input placeholder text in CSS? I know
there are propietary pseudo-elements like :-moz-placeholder or ::
-webkit-input-placeholder but I can't find anything about the standard way
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From: Rob Crowther 
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:11:07 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote:
> One advantage I can see in
> opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss
> the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken
> somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive?
>
Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is the 
user's.  Since the designer can't know in what context (or for what 
reason) the user is clicking on any given link it is the user who 
should 
be deciding whether to open the link in a new window or not.

Rob

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From: MJ Ray 
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:38:48 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

Janice Schwarz 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM, MJ Ray  wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure there is no such standard preventing mobile phones
> > from opening new windows because my aging nokia e90 can do it (since
> > one of the early upgrades - move to the link, left shoulder button,
> > "Open in New"), Firefox on Android can - but it's been a while since
> > I tried an iPhone and I can't remember if that does, but I'd be
> > surprised if not. Â For all the difficulty of fixing iPhones, 
there's
> > not usually that much glaringly broken on them. Â If there was, 
they'd
> > not be as popular as they are.
> >
> > So I still think it's a bug if a browser can't open a new window and
> > wonder what phones you've being using. Â Or can someone say what
> > mobile phone standard prevents new windows on links?
> 
> I have witnessed this on 2 Droids & 1 iPhone . This has been the
> behavior for both versions of the Droid, and the iPhone I used.

That's interesting. I wonder if the bug on Androids only affects
some manufacturers?  I believe the one I tested was from HTC.

But no standard preventing user control of windows, then.

[...]
> When the OS informs you that you are exceeding the maximum number of
> *allowed* windows, that seems more of a limitation than a bug. If you
> open enough windows on a desktop or laptop, eventually it crashes too.

I managed to open 112 windows on my netbook by mistake yesterday
(crimes of a dying keyboard).  No sign of any crashing, although it
took a while to clean up!

> There is no unlimited number of windows that can be run on any system,
> and a phone has far fewer resources than a desktop or laptop.

This is exactly why new windows should be under user control and not
website control, so users can choose where to apply the resources!

Hope that informs,
-- 
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From: "coder" 
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:16:03 -
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

In one sense, this argument is fallacious, because whatever the web 
designer 
does decides what happens when a user just 'clicks a link'.  In my 
experience, most folk 'out there' don't know about right clicking. To 
say 
'it is the user's choice' is mainly untrue, because he/she doesn't know 
they've got a choice, and what happens depends upon what the designer 
has 
coded.

Bob

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Crowther" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites


> On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote:
>> One advantage I can see in
>> opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss
>> the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken
>> somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive?
>>
> Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is 
the 
> user's.  Since the designer can't know in 

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From: Rob Crowther 
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:11:07 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote:
> One advantage I can see in
> opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss
> the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken
> somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive?
>
Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is the 
user's.  Since the designer can't know in what context (or for what 
reason) the user is clicking on any given link it is the user who should 
be deciding whether to open the link in a new window or not.

Rob

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From: MJ Ray 
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:38:48 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

Janice Schwarz 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM, MJ Ray  wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure there is no such standard preventing mobile phones
> > from opening new windows because my aging nokia e90 can do it (since
> > one of the early upgrades - move to the link, left shoulder button,
> > "Open in New"), Firefox on Android can - but it's been a while since
> > I tried an iPhone and I can't remember if that does, but I'd be
> > surprised if not. Â For all the difficulty of fixing iPhones, there's
> > not usually that much glaringly broken on them. Â If there was, they'd
> > not be as popular as they are.
> >
> > So I still think it's a bug if a browser can't open a new window and
> > wonder what phones you've being using. Â Or can someone say what
> > mobile phone standard prevents new windows on links?
> 
> I have witnessed this on 2 Droids & 1 iPhone . This has been the
> behavior for both versions of the Droid, and the iPhone I used.

That's interesting. I wonder if the bug on Androids only affects
some manufacturers?  I believe the one I tested was from HTC.

But no standard preventing user control of windows, then.

[...]
> When the OS informs you that you are exceeding the maximum number of
> *allowed* windows, that seems more of a limitation than a bug. If you
> open enough windows on a desktop or laptop, eventually it crashes too.

I managed to open 112 windows on my netbook by mistake yesterday
(crimes of a dying keyboard).  No sign of any crashing, although it
took a while to clean up!

> There is no unlimited number of windows that can be run on any system,
> and a phone has far fewer resources than a desktop or laptop.

This is exactly why new windows should be under user control and not
website control, so users can choose where to apply the resources!

Hope that informs,
-- 
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http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
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From: "coder" 
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:16:03 -
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

In one sense, this argument is fallacious, because whatever the web designer 
does decides what happens when a user just 'clicks a link'.  In my 
experience, most folk 'out there' don't know about right clicking. To say 
'it is the user's choice' is mainly untrue, because he/she doesn't know 
they've got a choice, and what happens depends upon what the designer has 
coded.

Bob

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Crowther" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites


> On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote:
>> One advantage I can see in
>> opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss
>> the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken
>> somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive?
>>
> Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is the 
> user's.  Since the designer can't know in what context (or for what 
> reason) the user is clicking on any given link it is the user who should 
> be deciding whether to open the link in a new window or not.
>
> Rob
>
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From: Marvin Hunkin 
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:15:55 +1100
Subject: Database Success

hi.
well.
how do i reset the password.
and how to do it in the my sql command line.
possibly my database could be screwed up or some thing.
did get it to work.
and now.

and just looked in the database script nad it added my name and my phone 
number.
several times.
so how to delete the number of times, so i only have my name once.
so it is working.
in another script, and another folder.
so it is working.
Marvin.
ps: sorry for bothering you guys.
so how to remove multiple entries in my database.
or just copy it over from the other folder.
which has the default.
then try running the script.
then i get the access denied.
but when i look in the other php scrip, in a folder called FourthPHP, it 
added the record to the database.
it is working.
minus, the date.
and in the database, not showing the date.
so my learning purposes, it is working.
Marvin.Marvin.

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From: "Nick Brown" 
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:33:38 -
Subject: RE: [WSG] Database Success

Hey Marvin - I'm not convinced this is the best forum for you to be posting
these sorts of queries - why don't you try Stack Overflow - I've never found
a better site for answering technical questions.

N

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: 12 December 2011 08:16
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Database Success

hi.
well.
how do i reset the password.
and how to do it in the my sql command line.
possibly my database could be screwed up or some thing.
did get it to work.
and now.

and just looked in the database script nad it added my name and my phone
number.
several times.
so how to delete the number of times, so i only have my name once.
so it is working.
in another script, and another folder.
so it is working.
Marvin.
ps: sorry for bothering you guys.
so how to remove multiple entries in my database.
or just copy it over from the other folder.
which has the default.
then try running the script.
then i get the access denied.
but when i look in the other php scrip, in a folder called FourthPHP, it
added the record to the database.
it is working.
minus, the date.
and in the database, not showing the date.
so my learning purposes, it is working.
Marvin.Marvin.


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From: Nancy Johnson 
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:18:28 -0500
Subject: w3c mobile validator and html5?

I noticed this validator only checks for xhtml 1.1 basic or mp1.2.  Is
it going to checking again html5?  http://validator.w3.org/mobile/
What about media queries...   Is the mobile checker suitable for if
you are creating one set of htmls code and  for mulitple devices?

Thanks,

Nancy

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From: "Patrick H. Lauke" 
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:28:56 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c mobile validator and html5?

On 12/12/2011 17:18, Nancy Johnson wrote:
> I noticed this validator only checks for xhtml 1.1 basic or mp1.2.  Is
> it going to checking again html5?  http://validator.w3.org/mobile/

Not to my knowledge, no. You could argue that it's aimed at older 
generations of phones/browsers.

> What about media queries...   Is the mobile checker suitable for if
> you are creating one set of htmls code and  for mulitple devices?

No.

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From: "Doug Burt" 
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:15:49 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] Wamp, Accessibility, How To Reset Passwords In My Sql

Marvin,
Although this goes way off topic for this forum, the localhost password 
you've got there should be "root" and the password "pwd".
When the form asks for 

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From: David McKinnon
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:22:11 +1100
Subject: Divs for tabular data

OK, so I'm working on a project in which the developers are laying out tabular 
data using divs.
The site is using the 960 CSS grid system so making the 'tables' work just 
means applying the appropriate class to align each div/table cell to the grid.
They say this is good because:
It's fast
They can manipulate the resulting DOM much more easily than they could with a 
table
Developers find it easier to, say, add or remove columns from the tables, 
without having to edit the code all the way down the table (no wysiwyg editors 
here!)
To me this doesn't seem very good because:
It's not very semantic (although they've used micro data in the class names for 
some divs)
It doesn't seem very accessible -- I might be wrong about this, but to me good 
semantics is foundational to accessibility
There's a lot of markup -- I know tables aren't exactly light on code, but they 
seem quite light and efficient in comparison
It doesn't seem to me like the code will be very easy to maintain for anyone 
but the developers.

The lead developers assure me that this is good practice for speed and 
efficiency, but I'm not convinced.
Nevertheless, I don't want to be advocating tables as best practice if they 
aren't.

What do you think? Are tables too hard for the real world in large sites or web 
apps where large amounts of DOM manipulation is required? Or have these guys 
taken the 'Tables are bad' thing a bit too far?

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Tables are the best way to display tabular data since the method does 
everything automatically, that is, without the extra work to make divs 
behave as tables. In my opinion, tables are perfectly adequate as long 
as they're not used for layout (though I'm guilty of this sin from long 
ago.)


One possibility may be that your developers have an easier time 
manipulating the grid with CSS when using divs instead of cells. But 
this is just a guess.


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[dominic]

Semantic mark-up --> tables for tabular data.
On Dec 5, 2011 7:29 AM,  wrote:

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> From: David McKinnon 
> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:22:11 +1100
> Subject: Divs for tabular data
>
> OK, so I'm working on a project in which the developers are laying out
> tabular data using divs.
> The site is using the 960 CSS grid system so making the 'tables' work just
> means applying the appropriate class to align each div/table cell to the
> grid.
> They say this is good because:
> It's fast
> They can manipulate the resulting DOM much more easily than they could
> with a table
> Developers find it easier to, say, add or remove columns from the tables,
> without having to edit the code all the way down the table (no wysiwyg
> editors here!)
> To me this doesn't seem very good because:
> It's not very semantic (although they've used micro data in the class
> names for some divs)
> It doesn't seem very accessible -- I might be wrong about this, but to me
> good semantics is foundational to accessibility
> There's a lot of markup -- I know tables aren't exactly light on code, but
> they seem quite light and efficient in comparison
> It doesn't seem to me like the code will be very easy to maintain for
> anyone but the developers.
>
> The lead developers assure me that this is good practice for speed and
> efficiency, but I'm not convinced.
> Nevertheless, I don't want to be advocating tables as best practice if
> they aren't.
>
> What do you think? Are tables too hard for the real world in large sites
> or web apps where large amounts of DOM manipulation is required? Or have
> these guys taken the 'Tables are bad' thing a bit too far?
>
> Kind regards,
> David
>
>
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From: "Stevio"
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:42:02 -
Subject: Content div sticking out the side of container div

Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have two
divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the browser is
resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, the inner div
sticks out the side of the outer container div, which continues to resize
with the browser.

Surely the outer div should stop shrinking when it reaches the width of its
inner div, even if the viewport continues to be shrunk?

How can I fix this so that the outer div will not become any smaller than
the width of its inner div, when the width of the inner div will be unknown?

Here is example code that illustrates this. In my example, the inner div is
set to a fixed width, but for the web site I am developing, I will not know
the width of the inner div.



Test

#wrap {
background:#CCC;
border:2px solid blue;
}
#contents {
width: 800px;
background:#99F;
border:2px solid yellow;
}




Test
test
Test





Thanks,
Stephen


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From: "Greg Gamble"
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:51:15 -0800
Subject: RE: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div


Outer Div has a fixed width.

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stevio
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:42 PM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div

Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have two
divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the browser is
resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, the inner div
sticks out the side of the outer container div, which continues to resize
with the browser.

Surely the outer div should stop shrinking when it reaches the width of its
inner div, even if the viewport continues to be shrunk?

How can I fix this so that the outer div will not become any smaller than
the width of its inner div, when the width of the inner div will be unknown?

Here is example code that illustrates this. In my example, the inner div is
set to a fixed width, but for the web site I am developing, I will not know
the width of the inner div.



Test

#wrap {
background:#CCC;
border:2px solid blue;
}
#contents {
width: 800px;
background:#99F;
border:2px solid yellow;
}




Test
test
Test





Thanks,
Stephen



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Try using overflow, or perhaps max-width.

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From: "Stevio"
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:52:45 -
Subject: Wrapping text before float drop

If I have two floats side by side, both are floated left as follow:

.myfloat{
float:left;
}

and both contain text as follows:

Longer amount of text. Longer amount of text. Longer
amount of text. Longer amount of text.
Small amount of text.

Is there any way to prevent the second div from dropping below the first div
when the viewport is narrowed, without specifying widths for either of the
floats?

What I would like is for the text in the first div to wrap before the second
float drops below the first. Is this possible without using widths?

Thanks.
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One possible solution would be to specify a relative width for the 
first div and a fixed width for the second div, plus add a min-width to 
the second one.


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[Claire Helme]

I will be out of the office on Thursday 3rd November with limited access to 
emails. 

I will respond to your email when I return on Friday 4th.

Kind regards,
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From: "Stevio" 
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:52:45 -
Subject: Wrapping text before float drop

If I have two floats side by side, both are floated left as follow:

.myfloat{
float:left;
}

and both contain text as follows:

Longer amount of text. Longer amount of text. Longer 
amount of text. Longer amount of text.
Small amount of text.

Is there any way to prevent the second div from dropping below the first div 
when the viewport is narrowed, without specifying widths for either of the 
floats?

What I would like is for the text in the first div to wrap before the second 
float drops below the first. Is this possible without using widths?

Thanks.
Stephen 


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[Claire Helme]

I am currently out of the office and will respond to your message when I return 
on Wednesday 2 November.

For urgent issues please contact Mary Sabotkoski at mary.sabotko...@rmit.edu.au

Kind regards,
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From: "Stevio" 
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:11:04 -
Subject: Correct behaviour of fieldset?

I have noticed that the behaviour of  is inconsistent across 
browsers.

I am working on a form where I have a fieldset with a 1px border. If the 
form has a fixed width of 30em, but there is a  list within that 
form with a width greater than 30em, then the form width will not expand but 
the fieldset width *may* expand depending on which browser is being used.

The fieldset width expands in Firefox and Chrome, but not in IE and Opera. 
What is the correct behaviour?

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[tee]

I wonder if there is a way to restrict mobile phone devices from scaling, but 
allows touchscreen devices (ipad, samsung galaxy etc) do so.


Tee
On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:31 AM, David Laakso wrote:

> On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tee
>> 
>> When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used?
>> ::trim::
>> 
>> all the best, Dave @davesmiths
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Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest

[David Laakso]

On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

Hi Tee

When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used?
::trim::

all the best, Dave @davesmiths





Try also, simply:

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[WSG] RE: WSG Digest

[Dave Smith]

 
Hi Tee

When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used?
The Meta Viewport Tag as found in the Viewport section on 
http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariHTMLRef/Articles/MetaTags.html


 is the standard one you'll see around the place including HTML5
 Boilerplate. And this compliments the min/max approach (makes it sane).
Equally I found using  
worked, but I have yet to test it on many devices.
The difference between the two are that on iOS the first will always keep the 
viewport width the same in both orientations, i.e. 320 portrait and landscape 
on iPhone. Whereas the second will be 320 in portrait and 480 in landscape.

There is a bug in iOS that when using either of the above where orientating to 
landscape zooms the viewport. This was irritating to begin with but only 
requires a quick pinch to correct. There are hacks that fix it but so far I've 
only seen ones that disable zoom. I like zoom, so prefer to leave the bug with 
iOS.

If not seen already, PPK's A Tale of Two Viewports is an excellent insight into 
this crazy world :D http://www.quirksmode.org/mobile/viewports.html

all the best, Dave @davesmiths

> 
> I would love to hear what other think about the approach for 
> device-width vs max/min width.
> 
> For myself, I have done a couple sites targeting device-width and really 
> think this is better approach. The hype about responsive design got me 
> to try out the max/min width approach, I find that I need to tackle more 
> the the window resizes (and this means writing more CSS rules means 
> penalizing touchscreen device user), and the experience can be quite 
> awful seeing it from desktop browser. 
> 
> I'm sort of in a defeated mood right now, really feel that except the 
> ego to show off, I'm unable to find a convincing reason that desktop 
> user needs to be given a "responsive website" anything smaller than 
> 800px.
> 
> tee
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Hi!!!

I do enjoy reading those emails, but really! isn't there any way to filter
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> > I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
> I
> > give them two options:
> > 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
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> > 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
> > 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
> > form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they
> > were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once
> > they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.
> >
> > However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
> > forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?
> >
> > It would be laid out as follows:
> > Add record (pop-up dialog box)?
> >
> > Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
> > 'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.
> >
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> > Thanks,
> > Stephen
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On 07/21/2011 09:48 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:

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From: "Stevio"
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:45:33 +0100
Subject: Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I
give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were
on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add
the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen


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From: "Nixon David"
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:53:41 +0200
Subject: RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal
forms (SharePoint)
e.g. Records - Declare a new record

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Stevio
Sent: 20 July 2011 16:46
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they
were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once
they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen



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From: Hassan Schroeder
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:18:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give 
them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form 
which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the 
current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated 
using AJAX.
However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. 
Any thoughts?

Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think "eh? what?"  :-)

Just askin' ...



I agree that, from a usability point of view, having only one choice- 
one path- offers the best experience. It just sounds more efficient. So, 
yes, the modal form (no name) when JS is turned on, and the HTML form 
(again, no name) for when JS is off. To the user there is only one form.



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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Mevlana Sari]

Scott,

That attribute is most likely being injected by your text editor. And it
most likely only has a meaning inside that editor You would find that if you
try to validate this page it will throw up unknown attribute error.

The following provides information on how browsers handle unknown attributes
and elements:

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ThoughtExperimentInGracefulDegradation

Regards

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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

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> The site is nice and clean and functions well. The font is a bit small but
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[Bob Schwartz]

Mevlana,

Thank you. This seems to be what I'm looking for.
Now I'll just need to experiment with trying to write a javascript (not my 
forte) that will publish a link to the site on the page if it was not opened as 
a pop-up and that should fix the problem.

Best,

Bob

> Bob,
> 
> The following site may give you an idea:
> 
> http://javascript.about.com/library/blpoptest.htm
> 
> Basically, each popup window has an 'opener'. 
> If the 'opener' exists, then user has come to the page via a popup, else the 
> user has come via another method.
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> I have several sites where i use pop-up windows to present certain types
> of information.
> 
> When someone does a Google search sometimes Google lists results from
> these pop-up pages.
> 
> When the searcher clicks on the Google result he gets the pop-up window
> as a stand-alone page in his browser with no links to anywhere on the
> actual site.
> 
> Savvy people would just delete the part after the domain in the url bar,
> hit enter and be at the site, but I'm discovering not all are savvy.
> 
> So, is anyone aware of any clever javascript that would detect if the
> page had not been opened as a pop-up and write a link to the actual site
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[Mevlana Sari]

Bob,

The following site may give you an idea:

http://javascript.about.com/library/blpoptest.htm

Basically, each popup
window has an 'opener'.
If the 'opener' exists, then user has come to the page via a popup, else the
user has come via another method.

Regards

Mevlana


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> Subject: pop up windows and Google
>
> I have several sites where i use pop-up windows to present certain types
> of information.
>
> When someone does a Google search sometimes Google lists results from
> these pop-up pages.
>
> When the searcher clicks on the Google result he gets the pop-up window
> as a stand-alone page in his browser with no links to anywhere on the
> actual site.
>
> Savvy people would just delete the part after the domain in the url bar,
> hit enter and be at the site, but I'm discovering not all are savvy.
>
> So, is anyone aware of any clever javascript that would detect if the
> page had not been opened as a pop-up and write a link to the actual site
> (and not write the link if opened as a pop-up)?
> Or, any other suggestion (besides "don't use pop-ups")?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bob Schwartz
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[Janet Jaffke]

The site is nice and clean and functions well. The font is a bit small but 
otherwise it seems to get the job done.

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> Subject: RE: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
> 
> At 10:38 AM +0530 5/6/11, Birendra wrote:
>> The Site Design is not good.
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> Not good?!?
> 
> It looks pretty good to me. I wish I had Laakso's design skills.
> 
> This would make a great example for an AJAX site.
> 
> Works/looks great on my iPad.
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> Subject: what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
>
> I upgraded to FF4 without checking the compatibility of the addons.
>
> Both YSlow and Page Speed aren't compatible, now I need to install the
> previous version that I used, but can't remember the exact version.
> There seems to be a number of 3.6.x.
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> This is for Mac. Thanks!
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> BTW, FF mobile is out.
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> Subject: Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, tee wrote:
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> > I upgraded to FF4 without checking the compatibility of the addons.
> >
>
> > Both YSlow and Page Speed aren't compatible, now I need to install
> > the previous version that I used, but can't remember the exact
> > version. There seems to be a number of 3.6.x.
>
> The latest I have is 3.6.13
>
> > This is for Mac. Thanks!
>
> After upgrading to FF4, most addons worked -- until I restarted FF.
>
> However, after re-installing the addons, most of them worked fine.
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> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:58:10 +0200
> Subject: Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
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> 3.6.15
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> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:49, Chris F.A. Johnson  >wro
> te:
>
> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, tee wrote:
> >
> >  I upgraded to FF4 without checking the compatibility of the addons.
> >>
> >>
> >  Both YSlow and Page Speed aren't compatible, now I need to install
> >> the previous version that I used, but can't remember the exact
> >> version. There seems to be a number of 3.6.x.
> >>
> >
> >The latest I have is 3.6.13
> >
> >  This is for Mac. Thanks!
> >>
> >
> >After upgrading to FF4, most addons worked -- until I restarted FF.
> >
> >However, after re-installing the addons, most of them worked fine.
> >
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> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:05:14 +0200
> Subject: Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
>
> Le 31/03/11 09:49, Chris F.A. Johnson a écrit :
> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, tee wrote:
> >
> >> I upgraded to FF4 without checking the compatibility of the addons.
> >>
> >
> >> Both YSlow and Page Speed aren't compatible, now I need to install
> >> the previous version that I used, but can't remember the exact
> >> version. There seems to be a number of 3.6.x.
> >
> > The latest I have is 3.6.13
> >
> >> This is for Mac. Thanks!
> >
> > After upgrading to FF4, most addons worked -- until I restarted FF.
> I just have to re-install firebug... YSlow was ok after for me. btw, I
> think a upgrade is usefull (I don't understand why you want to run FF3x
> modules with FF4x...)
>
> >
> > However, after re-installing the addons, most of them worked fine.
> >
> >
>
>
> *
> From: "Chris F.A. Johnson" 
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:12:09 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior to FF4?
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Fabien BENARIAC wrote:
> ...
> > (I don't understand why you want to run FF3x modules
> > with FF4x...)
>
>   If it ain't broke...
>
> --
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>Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress)
>Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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> From: tee 
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:44:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WSG] what is the exact version of FF 3.6 x prior 

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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Richard Mather]

Try facebook's generated code:

http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like/

http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href&layout=standard&show_faces=true&width=450&action=like&font&colorscheme=light&height=80";
scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="border:none; overflow:hidden;
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> I am having a problem with iframes in html5. I am trying to put a facebook
> 'like' link on a website and the results are not always as expected.
> Particularly, IE 7 and 8 show a border AND the box size is different! I am
> using this:
>
>
>  src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=www.marscovista.co.uk&layout=standard&show_faces=false&action=like&font=verdana&colorscheme=light&";>
>    
>
> in conjunction with
>
> #noborder {
>  border : 0!important;
>  height : 35px;
>  width : 600px;
> }
>
> It's fine in Firefox, Safari and IE6 (amazingly!), but not in IE7 and 8. Am
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> http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/index_beta.html
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[dominic]

sounds like a .net artefact. i would suggest wrapping the form element in a
div, which will carry the immutable ID, this can then remain untouched and
used in targeting the child elements, and you're free to iterate your way
through instances of the checkbox

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> Subject: looping and 
> We have a situation where there is a checkbox within a loop, there
> could be 1 to as many as 50 instances depending on the results of a
> query.
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> The id is "checkbox"  and   and is needed to remain the same for
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> Therefore won't validate.
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[Fleming, Cinnamon]

Hi,

Can you please remove me from your distribution list. 


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From: "David Linden" 
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Hi all
 
I'm very interested too. Again, thanks Neeraj.

>>>  10/02/2011 1:39 PM >>>
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From: "Knaus, Bridget" 
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:30:10 +1100
Subject: RE: [WSG] PDF Conversion

I would be very interested in other people's experiences as well.
Thanks
for asking the question Neeraj.



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On Behalf Of Neeraj Challana
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 1:19 PM
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Subject: [WSG] PDF Conversion



Hi all, 


We need a tool to help us convert our many existing PDF documents into Word 
and/or HTML to improve the accessibility of our web and intranet content. While 
there are tools (both freeware and licence ware) available, I would like to get 
some recommendations and experience of other organisations in selecting and 
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Your help is greatly appreciated. 

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From: "Peter Larsen" 
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 03:34:51 +0100
Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest

Jeg er ikke på skolen i øjeblikket. Men vender tilbage så hurtigt jeg kan I 
am not at the college at the moment - but I will get back to you as soon as 
possible

Med venlig hilsen/best wishes
Peter Larsen
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From: "Eduardo Vackflores E." 
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:38:57 -0800
Subject: En Vacaciones Re: WSG Digest

Hola, estoy de vacaciones hasta el 21 de febrero!
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From: Russ Weakley 
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:00:59 +1100
Subject: Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

Hi Neeraj,

Some questions: 

1. are you also aiming to make the PDF's accessible? (i.e. tagged
PDFs)

2. why PDF to Word? 
I have found there is little benefit in this type of conversion. I just

checked with a blind user now - asking "is there any advantage in Word

over PDF"? 

His answer: "If the PDF is well structured, converting it to Word could

remove some of the assistive structure. If the PF

[WSG] RE: WSG Digest

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From: "David Linden" 
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Hi all
 
I'm very interested too. Again, thanks Neeraj.

>>>  10/02/2011 1:39 PM >>>
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From: "Knaus, Bridget" 
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:30:10 +1100
Subject: RE: [WSG] PDF Conversion

I would be very interested in other people's experiences as well.
Thanks
for asking the question Neeraj.



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On Behalf Of Neeraj Challana
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 1:19 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] PDF Conversion



Hi all, 


We need a tool to help us convert our many existing PDF documents into
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From: "Peter Larsen" 
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 03:34:51 +0100
Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest

Jeg er ikke på skolen i øjeblikket. Men vender tilbage så 
hurtigt 
jeg kan
I am not at the college at the moment - but I will get back to you as 
soon as possible

Med venlig hilsen/best wishes
Peter Larsen
Center for Medie og Kommunikation
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:37:54 +1100
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Subject: En Vacaciones Re: WSG Digest

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From: olivia antonin 
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:57:21 +0100
Subject: browsers rendering problems


Hi there,
I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the 
same in Safari and firefox.Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the
 div information in the "index" page doesn't render the same in firefox as 
in Safari, and the same problem occur for the "about us" page too: the pa
dding bottom of the div bonus What do you think may be the issue.
Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help.
I attached the files.
Thank you.



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[removed attachment: about.html]
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From: Sanath Peiris 
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:31:21 +0530
Subject: E Learning for Telecom Operators(Telcos).I

Hi WSGroup

 I am looking for an GUI Concept for *E Learning for Telecom
Operators(Telcos)*.If any body have any idea Please reply.

Cheers

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From: Russ Weakley 
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:17 +1100
Subject: Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems

Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files

Thanks
Russ

On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the s
ame in Safari and firefox.
> Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the "i
ndex" page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the same pro
blem occur for the "about us" page too: the padding bottom of the div bonus 

> What do you think may be the issue.
> 
> Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help.
> 
> I attached the files.
> 
> Thank you.
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From: olivia antonin 
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:42:47 +0100
Subject: RE: [WSG] browsers rendering problems


here are the link for the home page: http://www.expressionofmind.com/home.h
tmlabout us page: http://www.expressionofmind.com/about.htmland the link fo
r the css files: http://www.expressionofmind.com/css.html
basically They don't render the same in Safari and firefox. The padding-bot
tom of the div information in the "index" page doesn't render the same in f
irefox as in Safari, and the same problem occur for the "about us" page t
oo: the padding bottom of the div bonus > > What do you think may be the is
sue.> > > > Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help
.


> Subject: Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems
> From: r...@maxdesign.com.au
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:17 +1100
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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> Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files
> 
> Thanks
> Russ
> 
> On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin  
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> 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render 
the same in Safari and firefox.
> > Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the
 "index" page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the sa
me problem occur for the "about us" page too: the padding bottom of the div
 bonus 
> > What do you think may be the issue.
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What exactly are you wanting to achieve?
Where have you seen this effect before? Give us an example please.

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> Here's my attempt to put a gradient behind some headings. To get
> Microsoft's gradient filter to work, I must give the headers "layout."
> This causes the headings to expand in width in IE6, and to shrink in IE7:
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:06:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

On 12/20/10 6:14 PM, Chad Kelly wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "Erickson, Kevin (DOE)"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
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>
> Yes. Thank you Felix! "best viewed" works much better.
[...]

This is where I came in. (2002)


> All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a
> year or so.
>

The Year of Living Dangerously? ;)

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From: Tim Kadlec 
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:47:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [WSG] jQuery Mobile for Mobile site

jQuery Mobile is a nice, if slightly unpolished due to it's very recent
release, framework - but you're right - it's primarily intended for apps and
I think it works much better if an app is what you have in mind.

If you're looking to do something not quite app-like, then I'd point you in
the direction of Yiibu (specifically this page http://yiibu.com/about/site/)
as an example of what you can do. They're experimenting with a mobile first
approach, combined with elements of responsive web design and feature
detection in order to provide their content to as many mobile devices as
possible. If you dig around their site a little bit, you'll see related
articles that are well worth the read.

I would also recommend the Mobile Web Yahoo group which is quite active and
a great resource for mobile web development.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mobile-web/

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On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:06 PM, tee  wrote:

> Any one developing Mobile Web has an insight for jQuery Mobile?
>
> I was studying the framework last night, couldn't quite decide whether it's
> best to adapt it to my mobile web development. After reading the
> documentation and tested all demos, my impression is, it's more geared
> towards Apps.
>
> The Accessibility, supported platforms (knowing that I wouldn't be able to
> test on Palm, Nokia and Blackerry devices, the supported platforms is 

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (was "disallow IE6...")

[David Hucklesby]

On 12/20/10 6:57 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:

Using IE conditional comments on the html tag, you can target each
version

of IE.

You can does not mean you should...

In a comment [1] on "forabeautifulweb", Molly Holzschlag says:

"Please, please don’t design for browsers."



[1]
http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/#r7



Perhaps expectations are too high? I took my first Web class in 2002,
and learned both table-based and CSS layouts using IE 5.5 and Netscape
4. CSS rendering in IE was good enough then to convince me that CSS
layouts are preferable. And, no, my pages did not look the same in both
browsers. But similar, and equally usable, was good enough for me
then... and now.

Thanks to all for adding useful tools to my toolbox. Season's greetings!

Cordially,
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[Thierry Koblentz]

> Using IE conditional comments on the html tag, you can target each version
of IE. 

You can does not mean you should...

In a comment [1] on "forabeautifulweb", Molly Holzschlag says:

"Please, please don’t design for browsers."



[1]
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Chris Dimmock]

We all go through this every holiday season Nick.
Look at the big picture.
Russ provides us with a great resource. For free.
1st auto responder message, and you are gone. Guilty until proven  
guilty.

Just look at the first line, or header, then delete.
That's the deal. And Russ could charge.
He doesn't.
Thanks Russ. You are Legend.
Oh, and By the way. Lazy listers who "reply" or "forward" without  
truncating the previous 47 or so other lister's reponses are FAR more  
annoying. And waste far too much bandwidth

Think about that Nick. Then look at your email.
IMHO, Love and peace to you all, thanks Russ, and Merry Christmas
Sincerely.
Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/12/2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicholas Bower  wrote:


Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject
containing "out of office" or "autoreply"??  20-50% (at times) of
emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing
out of office responses.  Pretty standard list filter to apply.

And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points
perhaps I'll try one over the break. :)

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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Doug Burt]

You know, we're all honestly glad that you've been able to get away for your 
season's holidays and everytime a post you've linked to comes up we get 
reminded of it yet again. Please people, change your list settings  "BEFORE" 
you go away so that we don't all get jealous while we're stuck here slaving 
away while you're off sucking back a margarita somewhere's warm and sunny. 
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year...


Cheers,
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- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:52 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest



Seconded.

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Nicholas Bower
Sent: 19 December 2010 07:20
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject
containing "out of office" or "autoreply"??  20-50% (at times) of
emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing
out of office responses.  Pretty standard list filter to apply.

And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:52:23 -0800
Subject: Out of Office Re: WSG Digest

The 10collective crew are currently out celebrating well earned xmas
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We will respond to all queries when we return.

Merry Christmas
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Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject
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emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing
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And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points
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> Subject: disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
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> I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the
> usage has fallen below 5%

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Nicholas Bower]

Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject
containing "out of office" or "autoreply"??  20-50% (at times) of
emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing
out of office responses.  Pretty standard list filter to apply.

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> Subject: Out of Office Re: WSG Digest
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From: cat soul 
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:01:42 -0800
Subject: images against color backgrounds

I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted  
opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages  
where there are color backgrounds, and the image must have some of  
that background color in them.

Example: you want to place an image with a drop shadow, so in  
photoshop, you prepare your image with drop shadow, both of them in  
layers above the same background color as on the page. When you place  
such an image, flattened and jpg'd, it looks seamless.

Trouble comes when you want to change the background color on the page 
(s) where you've already prepped the images with a given color..then  
you have to change that, too, and re-jpg, re-place, etc..

Some images don't look right unless their lifted off the page with a  
drop shadow, IMHO...

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From: Joseph Taylor 
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:51:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds

.png with alpha channel is the best way to go.

IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the transparent 
background gray.

Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for the 
.png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent)

You can also make 8 bit .pngs (with no alpha channel) that behave just 
like .gif

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On 12/8/10 4:01 PM, cat soul wrote:
> I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted 
> opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages 
> where there are color backgrounds, and the image must have some of 
> that background color in them.
>
> Example: you want to place an image with a drop shadow, so in 
> photoshop, you prepare your image with drop shadow, both of them in 
> layers above the same background color as on the page. When you place 
> such an image, flattened and jpg'd, it looks seamless.
>
> Trouble comes when you want to change the background color on the 
> page(s) where you've already prepped the images with a given 
> color..then you have to change that, too, and re-jpg, re-place, etc..
>
> Some images don't look right unless their lifted off the page with a 
> drop shadow, IMHO...
>
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From: Henrik Madsen 
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:11:50 +0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds

> .png with alpha channel is the best way to go.
>
> IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the  
> transparent background gray.

Can be conditionally fixed with js, for example: 
http://www.dillerdesign.com/experiment/DD_belatedPNG/

>
> Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for  
> the .png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent)
>
> You can also make 8 bit .pngs (with no alpha channel) that behave  
> just like .gif
> Joseph R. B. Taylor
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> On 12/8/10 4:0

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:16:46 +0100
Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest

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From: "Jon @ The PixelForge" 
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:53:46 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?

I agree, consolidate background-image, background-repeat and *-position into
one 'background' statement. Easier and saves a few bytes.
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> Mike -
> You have put the background color and image under background-image. Why
> don't you consolidate all of your backround statements into one:
>  #footer {
>color: #d9d9d9;
>background: #33 url("images/Footer_background_s1.jpg") repeat-x
> top;
>min-height: 96px;
> }
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> Debbie
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> > Both the HTML and the CSS validate ok.
> >
> >
> > So does any one see what I have wrong for IE?
> >
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:38:14 -0800
Subject: seeking JavaScript Bible reviewers

Hi all,

I'm looking for established reviewers of programming books to whom to 
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From: "Mironov, Alexander" 
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:53:18 +1100
Subject: Online/web visual style guide [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi

My team is currently developing an online visual style guide/brand, is anyo
ne able to send me links or pdf's of examples of other organisation's onlin
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Thanks

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From: David Storey 
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:53:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images?


On 26 Nov 2010, at 22:32, cat soul wrote:

> Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the 
"tiles" meet when you have the background image repeat?

Use a better background-image? I’m not sure what you mean? bg images 
repeat if you tell it to do. You either have an image designed to repeat 
or you don' (or you have a vector image via SVG that scales instead).
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From: "Kepler Gelotte" 
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:07:04 -0500
Subject: RE: [WSG] advice on background images?

> Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the  
> "tiles" meet when you have the background image repeat?

I'm not sure what this has to do with web standards, but you can check out
http://tutorialblog.org/make-repeating-seamless-tile-backgrounds-with-photos
hop/


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From: Henrik Madsen 
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 06:14:08 +0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images?


Have you checked that the tiles, do in fact tile seamlessly?




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On 27/11/2010, at 5:32 AM, cat soul wrote:

> Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the  
> "tiles" meet when you have the background image repeat?
>
>
> thanks
>
> cs
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From: "Jon @ The PixelForge" 
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:25:10 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images?

Again, I'm not sure if this deserves place in WSG, but to give you some
direction:

Photoshop has an Offset filter. Combined with the clone tool you can usually
generate repeating images relatively quickly. Quality depends on a lot of
factors though.

I would recommend you try somewhere like cgtalk.com (or email me directly)
for better instructions.

Regards,

Jon Warner
Tel: 0788 99 424 30
http://thepixelforge.net/

57 Arnold Road
Eastleigh
Hampshire
SO50 5AR
England


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kep...@neighborwebmaster.com> wrote:

> > Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the
> > "tiles" meet when you have the background image repeat?
>
> I'm not sure what this has to do with web standards, but you can check out
>
> http://tutorialblog.org/make-repeating-seamless-tile-backgrounds-with-photos
> hop/
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kepler Gelotte
> Neighbor Webmaste

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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22G=2ES=F8rtun=22?= 
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:57:23 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] all media queries in one style sheet Vs individually served

Years since I tested what browsers actually did, and much has changed 
since then.

I do prefer to spread styles in logical groups over a few stylesheets, 
to a certain degree. If nothing else it helps on maintenance and reuse.

> 1.Will the desktop browser stops loading the above 3 media unless 
> requested?

A browser will load everything, as long as it supports, or pretends to 
support, the link or @import media and queries used. It will put styles 
to use as needed and supported.

> 2.If I link each media type individually, does the desktop browser 
> actually load the above 3 style sheets?

Same answer.

> Similarly, will it not  better for targeted device not loading two of the 
> media types? If a targeted device loads only the correct style sheets, it 
> will be 2 HTTP requests (one for main style and one for targeted media type) 
> but the file size of each style sheet is significant reduce, and this seems 
> to be beneficial especially for bandwidth concerned mobile devices. Yes?

Back in the days we used link and/or @import media and queries as 
filters to /hack/ browsers - to make them load or not load specific 
stylesheets. Today we at least try to be a bit more advanced, and use 
link and/or @import media and queries as filters to /target/ browsers 
and devices - to make them load or not load specific stylesheets. 
Reasons may have changed amongst conscious web designers , but browsers 
are evolving, so too much deliberate filtering at the link and @import 
stages may mean an existing or future browser/device that can, and 
should be given a chance to, handle specific styles, won't load them.

So, it is my advice that you don't filter more than you have to at the 
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From: David Dorward 
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:59:08 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?


On 11 Nov 2010, at 10:50, Chris Taylor wrote:

> From: David Dorward
> Sent: 11 November 2010 10:30
> 
>> On 11 Nov 2010, at 09:18, Chris Taylor wrote:
>>> In fact, this is HTML5-style -  - but will work fine 
in all browsers (as far as I know).
> 
>> When you come to perform basic QA using a validator, on the other 
hand, you get very different results.
> 
> Agreed, and it is a problem, but how much of that problem is 
validators not being updated? To be honest, if that's the only error I 
get from a validator I'd feel I was doing a decent job. The crux is, as 
it has always been, what actually happens in browsers themselves.

Error? I wasn't suggesting that a validator would complain about the 
Doctype. It will either fail to recognise it (and thus refuse to do any 
validation) or it will trigger HTML5 validation. This isn't built on 
HTML 4.01 validation since HTML 5 is not an SGML application. The result 
is that you get a completely different validation engine — one that 
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From: Micky Hulse 
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:31:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Chris Taylor
 wrote:
> And there's Andy Clarke's new book "Hardboiled Web Design" which deals with 
> HTML5 and more: http://hardboiledwebdesign.com/
> So "is HTML5 ready", as far as http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ sees it isn't the 
> same as "can I use parts of this spec yet?"

I just finished reading HTML5 for web designers, and I thought it was
a pretty good introduction to HTML5.



An easy read. Very short book.

Cheers,
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From: cat soul 
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:23:07 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Micky Hulse wrote:

> I just finished reading HTML5 for web designers, and I thought it was
> a pretty good introduction to HTML5.
>
> 
>
> An easy read. Very short book.
>
> Cheers,
> Micky

I see that one of the choices is the eBook form...can that be read on  
a Mac?

thanks!

cs

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http://www.google.com/logos/2010/xraydiscovery2010-ps.gif

2010/11/9 
>
>
> From: "Grant Bailey" 
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:13:51 +1100
> Subject: Google 'X-ray' banner
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know how Google did their 'X-ray' banner that appeared
> today? (See
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8116827/X-rays-150th-annive
> rsary-celebrated-with-Google-Doodle.html if the banner has been
> replaced.) It glows and fades. This is not Flash, so I'd love to know
> how they did it. Does anyone know? Is it an animated Gif, or some HTML5
> trick?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Grant Bailey
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Looks like a good old animated gif:

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> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8116827/X-rays-150th-annive
> rsary-celebrated-with-Google-Doodle.html if the banner has been
> replaced.) It glows and fades. This is not Flash, so I'd love to know
> how they did it. Does anyone know? Is it an animated Gif, or some HTML5
> trick?
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> Grant Bailey
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Alan C. Whiteman]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 04:34:30 am you wrote:
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> From: cat soul 
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:25:44 -0700
> Subject: Where are we with Frames?
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> How do people here feel about frames?
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They have their place, I suppose. But for the most part they are no longer 
used extensively. I venture to say that frames are archaic or otherwise 
defunct ways of dividing a page, especially with the advent of Jquery.

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[Jamie Peloquin]

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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Alan C. Whiteman]

On Monday, September 27, 2010 01:22:59 pm you wrote:
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> From: tee 
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 03:13:58 -0700
> Subject: CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?
> 
> Only the two Webkit browsers are able to render the "header" and
> "footer" correctly.
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> http://lotusseedsdesign.com/css-test/templegate.html
> 
> header {
> height : 300px;
> width : 980px;
> text-align : center;
> position : relative;
> clear : both;
> overflow : hidden;
> margin : 0 auto;
> border : 1px solid #369;
> background : #ddd;
> }
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> I can't find anything wrong with my style sheet and the html code.
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> tee
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try display:block;

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