Re: [WSG] Ten questions for Simon Willison

2004-06-01 Thread Chris Blown
Nice work again.. Thanks Russ! On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 14:00, russ - maxdesign wrote: Read Ten Questions for Simon Willison here: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/simon-willison.cfm * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Jackie I agree with you and think maybe I just didn't explain myself properly. A guy in high school who has made a site for his uncle and one for his soccer team is not going to be able to charge the same rate as someone who has been developing site professionally for a number of years. I

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mark Harwood
Could not agree more! End of the day validating a site is the least of you worries, unless that is what the client overall wants. To be honests i wouldnt even charge extra for a valid site, as in my eyes any true web developer should make sure it validates anyway, as it shows they know what

[WSG] position image over div

2004-06-01 Thread Jeffery Fernandez
Hi everyone, Been observing this list for a while now but never responded to any threads due to my fear of exposing my email to everyone and possibly open the gates to spam. I can't help it this time so here you go. Sorry if am being ignorant, but is there a way to hide the email addresses

Re: [WSG] Budget Design

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kat Rasmussen wrote: What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same industry. The legal term here is price fixing, and it is taken very seriously, regardless of the intent of the discussion or the context

RE: [WSG] accessibility feedback

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Boehmer
I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. From a quick glance, without looking at any code or styles... - the small type in the logo is virtually impossible to read (1280x1024 17 flat panel)... either you want people to

Re: [WSG] Budget Design

2004-06-01 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/1/04 3:38 AM Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Kat Rasmussen wrote: What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same industry. The legal term here is price fixing, and it is taken

Re: [WSG] position image over div

2004-06-01 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:26:28 +1000, Jeffery Fernandez wrote: Been observing this list for a while now but never responded to any threads due to my fear of exposing my email to everyone and possibly open the gates to spam. I can't help it this time so here you go. Sorry if am being ignorant,

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mike Pepper
To follow up on Jackie and Mark's comments, I adopt the What the market will bear rule. And, similarly, I spend nearly all my 'leisure' hours learning better, more efficient, more eloquent methods of both standards compliance and accessible site development. And I don't consider charging more. I

Re: [WSG] Budget Design - ALREADY CLOSED

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Mordechai and Rick, This thread was closed about 10 hours ago by Peter (Listdad) Please do not continue. Thanks Russ What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same industry. The legal term here is

Re: [WSG] position image over div

2004-06-01 Thread Jeffery Fernandez
Lea de Groot wrote: On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:26:28 +1000, Jeffery Fernandez wrote: Been observing this list for a while now but never responded to any threads due to my fear of exposing my email to everyone and possibly open the gates to spam. I can't help it this time so here you go. Sorry if

[WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread Jad Madi
Greetings Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
Greetings Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? No, as most users have full high color resolutions. But if your website is primarily visiited by computers that cant reach high color levels, then yeah. but otherwise its accessability shoshing over with design issues. the

Re: [WSG] position image over div

2004-06-01 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:32:38 +1000, Jeffery Fernandez wrote: anyway the solution of increasing the height of the div won't help as I need to keep the div the same height and keep the image kinda hanging over the header. I have come across a site which does something similar but can't

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
-- Original Message - From: Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? I'd say it's a myth, unless you are going to limit yourself to 22 colors for some reason. This article:

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread Jad Madi
please check http://www.easyhttp.com/design/site I'v used alot of colors might be hmm bright is it considered to be out of accessability ? On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:12:39 +1200, t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
no its ok - but Web Safe colors is for users who cant see higher 256colors. - Original Message - From: Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors please check http://www.easyhttp.com/design/site I'v used

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: My premise is that any sensible business person should try to differentiate from competitors by showing they have skills that no one else has, vast experience etc and justify charging more than the competition because of that As I see it, Web standards allows you to charge more

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread Jad Madi
t94xr no its ok - but Web Safe colors is for users who cant see higher 256colors. Any recommendations? On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:40:05 +1200, t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no its ok - but Web Safe colors is for users who cant see higher 256colors. - Original Message

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-06-01 Thread Bruce . Gilbert
the site is http://creekside.dpsnc.net and the CSS is located at http://creekside.dpsnc.net/print.css and http://creekside.dpsnc.net/creekside.css\ P.S... I'm aware that the URL below my name is a mess. but that's a different story :-) Bruce Gilbert Webmaster Durham Public Schools Durham,

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mark Harwood
In a perfect world, but we always no when it comes to standards unless your keeping it simple i would never quote a hourly rate. Would rather go flat fee and get a even medium and make sure i get the job done, and keep the client happy and willing to come back... take

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Andy Budd
Mordechai Peller wrote: However, since development time is less, the cost to the client will be less. You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but decreases the time taken to develop

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jad Madi wrote: Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? I would say you shouldn't ignore the issue, but you don't need to limit yourself either. If a site doesn't look as good under the limited spectrum, so what. If, however, it looks hideous, then maybe it's worth making

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the site is http://creekside.dpsnc.net and the CSS is located at http://creekside.dpsnc.net/print.css and http://creekside.dpsnc.net/creekside.css\ I take it you didn't try to validate? If you did, you probably would have found the extra quotation mark in the link/.

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Budd wrote: You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but decreases the time taken to develop individual pages. As such, the time savings only really start to manifest themselves on

RE: [WSG] Standards compliant content management system.

2004-06-01 Thread Ted Drake
I tested contribute and in general found it clumsy. I've been looking into movable type and mambo as cms systems. With contribute, I have to admit I didn't give it enough time. But we were constantly trying to get the passwords to work and the constant prompting about checking in and out was

RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
*Nods approvingly* Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but

RE: [WSG] strange white flash on mouseover

2004-06-01 Thread Chris Keane
The only workaround I can think of is to set the background-color for the LI to a colour similar to the background-image so the hover state isnt so disconcerting. Hello Neerav, I faced this same problem while developing a site last week. There are some other solutions available. This IE bug

RE: [WSG] Comment and site check

2004-06-01 Thread Jaime W
Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for the thoughts Hugh. It helps with my final decision :) I'm using the Gilder/Levin Method FIR http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ as I want the words to show on image off. I'm not very sure with IE Mac. Pleasing IE Mac has always been a

[WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

2004-06-01 Thread Jaime W
Hi Does anyone know if there are any resources to accessible news scroller/ticker not written in _javascript_? I have been looking all over for one that is not done in _javascript_ and it seems that JS and Flash are the common news scroller around. I have been re-coding

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-06-01 Thread Bruce . Gilbert
thanks, I actually did run in through the validator once, but I guess not after adding the second style sheet. My mistake there. I'm really not lazy and don't expect others to do my work for meI'm just forgetfull :-) Bruce Gilbert Webmaster Durham Public Schools Durham, North Carolina

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually did run in through the validator once, but I guess not after adding the second style sheet. It's a very good first line debugging tool. My mistake there. No, it's not; your patent is invalid due to prior art. I'm really not lazy and don't expect others to do

[WSG] Web Standards ROI

2004-06-01 Thread Luke Moulton
An interesting article by Keith Robinson about the real world benefits of developing with web standards. Very applicable to some recent threads on WSG. http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/web_standards_roi.php Luke Moulton Go4 Multimedia W www.go4.com.au E [EMAIL PROTECTED] P 03 9530 6658

[WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Sean M. Hall AKA Dante
Title: Ten Questions for whomever With the WSG "Ten Questions for Whomever" thing, do you have to ask to be intervied or does someone ask you if you can be interviewed?

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Hi Sean, I have been interviewing a range of high profile web developers who have information that could be of value to WSG members. In each case, I have approached people, they have not approached me. I wanted to keep the interviews to 10 questions as I generally do not like reading interviews

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Neerav
AFAIK You have to be a big player in web standards, there has also been some correlation between interviewees and people at the Web Essentials seminar series later this year which is fair enough. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 Sean

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Well... That is slightly incorrect... So far we have done: Eric Meyer Keith Robinson Anne van Kesteren Nick Finck Andy Budd Patrick Griffiths Simon Willison None of these people will be presenting at Web Essentials 2004 in Sydney. Over the coming months I'll be interviewing Dave Shea, then

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Kay Smoljak
you know who I'd like to see interviewed? That Russ guy who runs that cool site... :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Hill, Tim
Yeah who's that Andy Budd guy anyway? *duck* Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley - Maxdesign Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Cameron Adams
I heard he's a J.D. Salinger-type recluse who only gives interviews for six figures. --- Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know who I'd like to see interviewed? That Russ guy who runs that cool site... :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Chris Blown
Yeah, I second that... Russ should be on the list too.. ;) On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 11:12, Kay Smoljak wrote: you know who I'd like to see interviewed? That Russ guy who runs that cool site... :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd -

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Don't worry, Man in blue, you are on my to interview list! :) Russ I heard he's a J.D. Salinger-type recluse who only gives interviews for six figures. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Amit Karmakar
Kay, I second your opinion. I would like to see Russ' reply to the same set of questions too. :) Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Blown Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:37 AM To: WSG

[WSG] Accessibility software

2004-06-01 Thread Amit Karmakar
People, A few questions regarding accessibility. I am thinking of buying a software for testing Accessibility for sites. Presently I test it through Firefox's Web Developer extension which uses Cynthia says http://www.cynthiasays.com/accverifycs/index.html My questions Is this the best

RE: [WSG] Accessibility software

2004-06-01 Thread Jeremy S. @ WSG
Hello Amit, I'm sort of confused by your question. Do you mean something that tests your code for validation according to the doctype? If you are looking for something like that, the WC3 Validator is great. Or do you mean software? Like TopStyle / Dreamweaver etc? Jeremy S. www.jezzjournal.com