[WSG] Font size and arrogance - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2004-11-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
I don't think you understand the issue of accessibility at all. In many countries, laws have been needed to force people like you to catch up. THREAD CLOSED I have been watching this thread for a while, concerned that it would move from healthy discussion into abuse. It has. This list is

Re: [WSG] Font size ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2004-11-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
THREAD CLOSED ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **

RE: [WSG] Font size ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2004-11-19 Thread Brett Walsh
Here here. Bout 30 emails wasting everyones time. More about standards less about egos! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 9:21 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Font size ADMIN -

Re: [WSG] Font size ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2004-11-19 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 11/19/04 4:02 AM Brett Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Here here. Make that hear, hear and you're on! :-) Best, Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Help With IE Jog Bug...

2004-11-19 Thread Bryan Davis
Chris Now for plan B I had a play around with the page and this is the most concise solution so far: #nav { position: absolute; left: 15px; top: 95px; width: 120px; margin: 15px 0; } That works in IE6, Firefox 1.0 and Opera 7.54 on PC. The original and new versions both break in IE5 and

Fw: [WSG] Help With IE Jog Bug...

2004-11-19 Thread Bryan Davis
...and of course, the way to fix the table overflow in IE5 is to set width:auto; and then Voice Family Hack to width:100% for everyone else. That should make it work for the PC browsers - any Mac users still having trouble? Cheers, Bryan - Original Message - From: Bryan Davis [EMAIL

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Be nice Iain! Final warning. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iain Harrison Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:53 PM To: Lothar B. Baier Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Font size and arrogance Hello Lothar, Thursday, November 18,

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-19 Thread Michael Wilson
Henry Tapia wrote: Points about allowing the user as much text size control as possible are well made and I agree, however I don't think I'd have a job as a designer if I relied upon the average user to change their browser's default text-size manually. In my several years working on the web,

Re: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Leslie Riggs
Any way there's a transcript available? I'm deaf and so very interested in what Zeldman had to say. I'd love it if I could read the transcript while watching the video... What would send me to absolute nirvana would be to have the video contain captioning (subtitling) right IN the

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-19 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to debug several versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a good browser

RE: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Leslie, I'm trying to figure out if you were being serious, or just sarcastic... but interestingly enough, I was actually going to do a quick transcript of it this weekend and nudge Jeffrey to make that available as well. I could also have a stab at SMIL...could be an interesting little

Re: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Leslie Riggs
Patrick, I was definitely serious. I miss out on so many excellent online workshops, streaming audio, and presentations because I can't hear/understand the people who speak during those events. Lipreading over the Internet has its limitations ;) Anyone who provides transcripts or subtitling

Re: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Daisy
Now you've got me thinking. Is there anything similar to the Talking Newspapers service for internet content? Should there be? A group of fast typing volunteers/proofreaders could provide transcripts to popular non subtitled items. We'd barely be scratching the surface of what needs to be done

Re: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
I think it's a fantastic idea. While I don't have any (notable) vision or hearing problems, if there is a text transcript availible, I'll choose that 10 times out of 10. ~j On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:31:07 +, Daisy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you've got me thinking. Is there anything

[WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Ted Drake
I'm stuck on a strange behavior with IE. For some reason, on only a few of our pages, the title of one of our form inputs will wrap and parts of the title will repeat. Yeah, it's not the greatest description. Here's a sample page, naturally it looks fine in ff. I want to think that it is

[WSG] simple javascript question

2004-11-19 Thread Ted Drake
Is this valid language=JavaScript type=text/javascript or should I just have type only. I'm afraid of breaking any functions that might require the language. Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Leslie Riggs
I just did a search for subtitles in Internet media and found this... http://www.cpcweb.com/Webcasting/webcast_samples.htm I know it costs MONEY to get this - but there's another one called VideoLAN, which is free, open source software but I don't know a whole lot about it:

Re: [WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Harrison
Hello Ted, Friday, November 19, 2004, 5:16:55 PM, you wrote: I want to think that it is something in the main body that is throwing it off, but I can't find it yet, I'd appreciate any help. here's a page that is acting up: http://www.csavg40.com/csa/sitemap-cheap-travel-insurance.do Notice

Re: [WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Peter Asquith
Hi Ted Validating the source sorts out the problem. There's a missing img end tag, several that need to be amp; and some type=text/javascript missing from script elements. Adding those fixes the strange behaviour. Interestingly, the source as it stands causes IE to break if you try resizing

RE: [WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Ted Drake
Hi guys I have fixed the image tag, that was an easy one. The problem is driving me crazy. I remove them when I can but whenever I get rid of them all it trashes the javascript functions. I wish I know which ones are safe to remove. On the vast majority of the pages, the things are the last

RE: [WSG] Need direction with key detection

2004-11-19 Thread GALLAGHER Kevin S
Todd, no disagreement on leaving the back button to users but at the present time we needed a quick fix beings our site went live two days ago and it averages roughly 50,000 hits per day. We will work on a better solution next month but for now this might do the trick html body

Re: [WSG] Need direction with key detection

2004-11-19 Thread brian cummiskey
not sure if this will help or give a pointer, but we use this code to keep users from hitting the refresh key and escape keys. Our enviroment (3rd party web browser-like interface) doesn't have a back button, so we never dealt with that issue. it might be able to be tweaked for the back

[WSG] Measuring default font size

2004-11-19 Thread Ben Curtis
Thanks for the links, Terrence. However, I think I was misunderstood. I mean that for all the designer work I've seen in trying to figure out what browsers do with various settings (such as these links), I haven't seen much in the way of statistics on what users are doing with those settings.

Re: [WSG] Measuring default font size

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Harrison
Hello Ben, Friday, November 19, 2004, 8:18:09 PM, you wrote: Javascript can measure this easily If you can suggest some javascript to do this, I'd love to run it on a few pages. -- Best regards, Iainmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread john
Hi, folks. I'm having a bit of trouble ridding myself of some top and bottom padding inside a box. Can anybody assist, please? http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/ The quote of the day box, to be specific. Thanks. -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development

Re: [WSG] Measuring default font size

2004-11-19 Thread Ben Curtis
Hello Ben, Friday, November 19, 2004, 8:18:09 PM, you wrote: Javascript can measure this easily If you can suggest some javascript to do this, I'd love to run it on a few pages. I'm suspecting this is a new idea. I'd like to make a nice package for people to use. Something simple, a single tag

RE: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Gardiner
Hi, Well at first glance I'd say the division itself has 5 px applied on all sides as per the #qotd rules. The extra white space is most probably a mix of margin and line-heights on the paragraphs you use within the div. Iain -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com

Re: [WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ted Drake wrote: Hi guys I have fixed the image tag, that was an easy one. The problem is driving me crazy. I remove them when I can but whenever I get rid of them all it trashes the javascript functions. I wish I know which ones are safe to remove. On the vast majority of the pages, the

Re: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread john
Thanks for the response. The 5px padding is only applied to the left and right (at least, that's what happens when viewing). I have no line heights applied to that div, so I'm still not sure what's causing it. I really just need to remove the extra space, but I can't figure out where it's

Re: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
No, Ian's right. You have 5px padding all the way around, and then you have the margins of the paragraphs contained within #qotd. Add #qotd p { margin:0; padding:0; } to you CSS. Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used

Re: [WSG] simple javascript question

2004-11-19 Thread Jason Foss
Hi Ted, I'm no javascript expert, but I believe language=javascript is deprecated and no longer really required anyway. I only use 'type' and haven't found any scripts breaking. Cheers Jason. On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:34:28 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this valid

RE: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Gardiner
Sorry to disagree, but your CSS rules for the division are as follows: #qotd { background: #fff; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left; padding: 5px; -- Applies 5px on all sides

RE: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Gardiner
In addition to my previous e-mail, I also spotted this rule: html p { text-align: left; line-height: 1.5; -- This is applied to all paragraphs in your document } -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com

Re: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread berry
The problem is p the p have a margin. You have to set the margin to 0px; Berry Thanks for the response. The 5px padding is only applied to the left and right (at least, that's what happens when viewing). I have no line heights applied to that div, so I'm still not sure what's causing it. I

[WSG] anchor, classes and IDs

2004-11-19 Thread helmut
Hello All, This might be a dumb question but I don't really know how to search correctly in google for my answer. Is it possible that any anchor inside a DIV will inherit all the properties from the DIV? For example /*** CSS **/ #idName { font-family: Verdana; } a.idName:link {

Re: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread john
You make me feel like a pudding head, Iain. ~john on 11/19/2004 11:03 PM Iain Gardiner said the following: In addition to my previous e-mail, I also spotted this rule: html p { text-align: left; line-height: 1.5; -- This is applied to all paragraphs in

Re: [WSG] This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Ben Curtis
The problem is driving me crazy. I remove them when I can but whenever I get rid of them all it trashes the javascript functions. I wish I know which ones are safe to remove. On the vast majority of the pages, the things are the last hurdles. Ack! Don't remove the unless you know what they

RE: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Gardiner
Hi John, You make me feel like a pudding head, Iain. ~john lol, not my intention at all, sorry. I sould say now that I love the clean and uncluttered design you have made. Your client should be very pleased. And I am pleased as I have been a fan of CS Lewis ever since having

RE: [WSG] anchor, classes and IDs

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Gardiner
You have the right idea, but the wrong methodology. The selectors you need to use are: #idName { font-family: Verdana; } #idName a:link { color: #FFF; } #idName a:visited { color: #FFF; }

[WSG] Solved-sort of-- This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Ted Drake
Hey everyone I've been hacking away at this all day, the strange ghost words. I finally came up with a holly hack to make it a bit better. Here's what I was coming across. I have a series of titles/inputs that are very similar and play well. Then, there is one with a longer title and it wraps.

Re: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread john
hehe...well thanks. In this case, I am my own client. *grin* The site's been up for 10 years, and this is v3.0 to keep up with the times. :) ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter on 11/19/2004 11:23 PM Iain Gardiner said the

RE: [WSG] anchor, classes and IDs

2004-11-19 Thread helmut
AHH!! Thank you very much ...helmut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iain Gardiner Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] anchor, classes and IDs You have the right idea, but the wrong

RE: [WSG] Solved-sort of-- This is really strange stuff, even for IE

2004-11-19 Thread Henry Tapia
Hi Ted, Sorry to be late with this response, but I'd encountered this problem in the last two weeks at work. I've written some documentation for it at work, but really the best reference is from PiE: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html This behaviour, dubbed the

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I don't belong to the group of screaming developers. Hi Georg, Sorry for this misunderstanding --I didn't mean to group you in any way. It's just that I was a bit amazed about your view when in general, the web standards 'society' regards IE as

Re: [WSG] funky padding

2004-11-19 Thread standards
Hi John, I've found if you delete the paragraph tags containing the first and last sentences that should do the trick. You have the middle paragraph contained within a set of paragraph and blockquote tags, which will retain your layout and formatting. Since div tags are considered block-level