Re: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Brett, There are many ways to do what you need - so you may not need to use a multiple class selector at all. OPTION 1 -- Using the html example you sent in a previous email, you could target instances of content using descendant selectors based on the parent classes alone - w

Re: [WSG] macpro and softwares..

2009-03-05 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Naveen, Here are some resources to try... Testing Try Parallels (though there are others out there apparently equal or better?). This allows you to install multiple versions of Windows ­ which means you can test IE6/7/8 in different versions. http://www.parallels.com/

Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2009-03-16 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED! Enough! This discussion has gone on far too long. Please get back to discussing relevant topics! As the guidelines state: "Do not post problems or complaints to the list. Instead, email Peter and Russ off-list (memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org)" Thanks Russ ***

Re: [WSG] Hotlinking prevention does not work - ADMIN

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Weakley
>> This is not the place to discuss such problems. >> This mailing list is to be used for discussions >> based around Web Standards. > > I don't disagree, but darn, web standards related or not I was curious to > see the responses. :( ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED All responses can go off list to the or

Re: [WSG] add to favorites? - ADMIN - KEEP IT POLITE PLEASE

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN This thread has deteriorated into slanging match. Any more and the thread will be closed. Keep the conversation constructive, helpful, considerate... Like a giant virtual "group hug" :0 Thanks Russ List admin and group hug evangelist ***

Re: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?) - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Weakley
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Re: [WSG] add to favorites? ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Weakley
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Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-16 Thread Russ Weakley
On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote: Now it is h#{ left: -px; } that had issues with screen readers. Interesting. Not in my experience. What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have a test case that demonstrates the problem? I'd agree with Benjamin. Roger Hudson

Re: [WSG] OT: Dominos Pizza -THREAD CLOSED

2009-06-17 Thread Russ Weakley
THREAD CLOSED. WAAAY OFF TOPIC Thanks Russ On 16/06/2009, at 7:43 PM, Chris Dimmock wrote: I think the answer is... Yes, technically, there probably is more fibre & nutrition in the cardboard box :) Sent from my iPhone On 16/06/2009, at 10:51 AM, "Mike Kear" wrote: This is off-t

Re: [WSG] Expand width of container to fit content's width?

2009-06-27 Thread Russ Weakley
Is it possible to expand a container's width to fit its content? For example, if I have a page where the content is wider than the width available at the browser's current size, which means the horizontal scrollbar appear, I want the container to expand to fit the width of the content inste

Re: [WSG] Collapsing margins and relative positioning

2009-06-27 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Grant, Ok, this is a hard one to explain simply, but here goes: Your "position: relative" container is being affected by margin "escaping" (top margins escape out of the parent container), while your "position: absolute" container is not being affected. Here is a more detailed explanat

Re: [WSG] working with line-height

2009-07-01 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Ben, That additional space you see above the letters is set aside for diacritical marks (umlaut etc). If you replace the content within the 23 pixel paragraph with the content below, you should see that all the special character marks sit above the letters and fill this empty space.

Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest

2009-08-03 Thread Russ Weakley
Enough please! Thanks Russ On 04/08/2009, at 7:11 AM, Patrício dos Santos wrote: LET'S DO From: inspiron.patters...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:24:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Oh, that is a good point! Let's do!!! -- Brett P. On Mon,

Re: [WSG] Darius Design

2009-09-11 Thread Russ Weakley
He's gone. Apologies for the slowness people. Thanks Russ On 12/09/2009, at 3:14 AM, designer wrote: I thought that folk who sent autoreplies were automatically unsubscribed? This is the third from Darius Design in as many days, and I'm getting rather fed up with it. I doubt that I'm alone

Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts

2009-09-23 Thread Russ Weakley
cond that. On the other hand, after looking at a few of the links the first few times I received those messages, I now delete them unseen. > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: > > > Hi there > > > > I?d just like to send a big thank you t

Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value

2009-09-28 Thread Russ Weakley
Mike, Sorry, but your statement is incorrect. The "start" attribute is allowed in HTML 4.01 Transitional and XHTML 1.0 Transitional The "start" attribute is NOT allowed in HTML 4.01 Strict and XHTML 1.0 Strict Thanks Russ On 28/09/2009, at 11:23 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: The correct way t

Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? - ADMIN

2009-10-19 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN Hi all, The conversation has been great, but we are now heading into heated discussion and direct attacks - which is unacceptable. Please remain civil and receptive or the thread will be closed. Thanks Russ (civility police) ***

Re: [WSG] Accessible Image Map Editors

2009-10-25 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Marvin, Assuming that an image map must be used, then always include meaningful alt attribute content (or alt-text) for every of the . The alt-text should clearly explain the purpose of the relevant . Good luck, Russ hi. is image map accessible with jaws? i need to create a image

Re: [WSG] .box breaks up on feedback page.

2009-11-12 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Katherine, This is a case of the specificity, or the weight of one selector winning over another selector. You initially apply a rule using this selector: #navigation ul a { } You then apply a new rule for the :hover pseudo-class, using this selector: #navigation a:hover { } The third

Re: [WSG] 8 invites for Google Wave

2009-12-03 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN Google Wave invites are totally off topic - though its great to see people sharing. Can we do the following: 1. if you have WAVE invites, feel free to post to the list - just for today only! 2. anyone asking for WAVE invites to respond directly to the invitee OFF LIST! Thanks Russ

Re: [WSG] Google Wave webstandardsgroup? ADMIN

2009-12-05 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN - No more WAVE giveaways people! Please do not write to the list offering invites Please do not write to the list asking for invites Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscr

Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (22/12/09)

2009-12-22 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Rimantas Why did I post this link? Because the article has an interesting take on HTML5. This does mean that I agree or disagree with the article. I hoped that the article would lead to discussion and debate. I had also hoped that any discussion or debate would be conducted in a respec

Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for - THREAD CLOSED

2009-12-23 Thread Russ Weakley
OK, everyone... thanks for al the comments but enough. Please lets get back to discussing web standards, web development design etc. Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] internet explorer font names

2010-01-18 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Marvin, I've placed two valid examples online for you to check (will stay online for next 10 days or so only): HTML: CSS: Can you test these valid files and see if IE8 lets you hear/see the headings that

Re: [WSG] text-shadow: no-shadow ?

2010-01-18 Thread Russ Weakley
Tee, First of all, the spec you link to is a little out of date (2003). This page defines the current work on CSS: The most relevant spec on "CSS3 Text" according the the "current work" list is: Th

[WSG] Regarding the loss of a web accessibility leader

2010-01-19 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi all, Mike Cherim let me know earlier than Jack Pickard, web accessibility leader and Team Access member passed away very recently, succumbing to a heart attack (at a young age, leaving behind a young family). He will be sadly missed by the accessibility community. Mike also passed on

Re: [WSG] vallidation problems

2010-01-20 Thread Russ Weakley
Marvin, In this case I would suggest direct mentoring by a WSG member. Someone who can take your pages, validate then and show you each isse and how it was fixed. It is often very hard to address all of these issues on the list itself, and pushing too many questions out at a time tends to

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! - ADMIN

2010-01-30 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN This discussion is quickly deteriorating into name calling, finger pointing, etc. Please return to the discussion, and be respectful of each other - regardless of your differences of opinion. Thanks Russ *** List Gui

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2010-01-31 Thread Russ Weakley
This discussion has been at times interesting (where there was healthy exchange of info) and worrying (when personal criticisms were used instead of calm discussions). However, it looks like this thread has reached a point where we not gaining anything - just expressing disagreement. So,

[WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aw

Re: [WSG] Data URI encoder

2010-02-10 Thread Russ Weakley
Looks interesting, Mike :) For those unfamiliar with Data URI's, it may also be worth taking a look at this in depth article: Also "Using Data URIs in CSS": Thanks Russ Hi a

Re: [WSG] the mysteries of overflow: hidden - ADMIN

2010-02-10 Thread Russ Weakley
My apologies all. This charming individual has been removed from the list. No need to comment on this and add unwanted noise to the list... As you were. Thanks russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidel

Re: [WSG] @media

2010-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley
1. Is there a list showing browser support for @media? Try the ever-helpful Site Point. The chart shows generally good support (with some caveats): The chart mentions IE and Firefox are buggy - but be aware that they are buggy in the opposite w

Re: [WSG] @media

2010-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Tom, Sorry, I should have provided examples in my last email. 1. Below is a normal CSS rule (like the first rule in the 456bereastreet article) - which does not need a media type to be defined: body { background: #fff; } 2. Below is an @media rule, which DOES need a media defined (note

Re: [WSG] Difference between applied CSS and Computed CSS

2010-02-25 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Rateb BEN MOUSSA I am not seeing any difference in font size between the sites on either Mac/FF3.5.7 or Mac/Chrome 5.0.307.9 beta. Looking in Firebug, I see the body has been set in two places with a font-size of 12px. template.css (line 3) body { color:#00; font-family:Arial,Helve

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-03 Thread Russ Weakley
e that this is not a recommended practice. These fail validation for a reason :) HTH Russ ---------- Russ Weakley Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/russmaxdesign Linkedin: http://www.linkedi

Re: [WSG] HTML5:

2010-05-17 Thread Russ Weakley
of course - HTML5 is perfectly acceptable here - or anywhere... (except maybe in the shower...) Thanks Russ On 17/05/2010, at 9:52 PM, designer wrote: Will html5 not be the 'new standard'? If so, isn't this the place (or one of them) to discuss such things? Or will that just get too co

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

2010-06-14 Thread Russ Weakley
A good point. I have started tracking IE6 users down on an individual basis, going to their houses and doing a "forced upgrade". It is labour intensive, but it gets results! ;) Russ IE swat team On 14/06/2010, at 11:31 PM, Edward Lynn wrote: Hi everyone, For me the IE6 issue is to a degr

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction - THREAD CLOSED

2010-06-23 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED This thread is closed. Please move along. Nothing to see... Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm He

Re: [WSG] [Job] Senior Freelance Web Designer | Melbourne

2010-07-13 Thread Russ Weakley
I take my eye off the list for two days THREAD CLOSED The guidelines clearly state that no job postings are allowed to the list - specifically for this reason. If you want to push a job to all members, send to me and I can send out with our weekly email. Thanks russ **

Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-20 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi JC, This is a question where a example would help. It all depends on: 1. the element in question (the TD element operates differently to DIV element in many cases) 2. whether sizing has been applied to the element 3. whether positioning had been applied to the element 4. which browser you

Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-21 Thread Russ Weakley
It's still a bit hard to tell without seeing an example. Can you send a link to a cut down version of what the problem is? Thanks Russ On 21/07/2010, at 3:31 PM, Jayachandran Kandasamy wrote: Hi Russ, I tried these CSS 3 properties and tested in the IE7 and Mozilla FF 3.6.6 browser, they

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2010-07-31 Thread Russ Weakley
I've just resolved the problem. No more discussion on this :) Changing mail lists VERY soon Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cf

Re: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet

2010-08-05 Thread Russ Weakley
l win. Thanks Russ ---------- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Skype: russ-maxdesign MSN: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/russmaxdesign Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/russweak

Re: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet

2010-08-05 Thread Russ Weakley
wow - three answers for the price of one :) On 06/08/2010, at 3:45 AM, David Storey wrote: No. the @media all will apply (well if there were any valid rules in the block). If the specificity is the same (as is the case in this example) and the query conditions both apply then source orde

Re: [ADMIN} spam alert - Thread Closed Re: [WSG] RE:

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Weakley
What part of "thread closed" do people not understand? Lea, I say we take off and nuke the entire list from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubs

Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

2010-08-13 Thread Russ Weakley
I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation (plus it messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing this. Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must, th

Re: [WSG] Yes or No? HTML5 FOR WEB DESIGNERS

2010-08-17 Thread Russ Weakley
now with added longdesc.. ;) On 18/08/2010, at 1:25 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: good places to start with HTML5 are: HTML: The Markup Language http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/ HTML5 (Edition for Web Authors) http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ regards stevef **

Re: [WSG] Flight Centre looking for web developers - THREAD CLOSED

2010-09-06 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Hi all, 1. Job ads are not allowed on the mail list (under "The mail list does not cover"): http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm 2. If anyone has job ads they wish to promote, please email me off- list. I'm happy to add any job to "links for light reading", w

Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS "rollovers" for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Russ Weakley
> stop sending me emails We've stopped sending this person emails. no need to comment on this. :) Continue with this great thread! Thanks Russ BTW, every WSG email that goes out has an unsubscribe link at the bottom. Better to click that that tell 7,000 people you don't want any emails :)

Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Russ Weakley
> Not quite: > > http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2010/02/10/5a-missing-schema-double-download/ Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy! :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe

Re: [WSG] Freelance Designer Needed

2010-12-01 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi all, This list is not about jobs or freelance connections. please do all further communications off list! Thanks Russ On 02/12/2010, at 2:59 PM, Daniel Anderson wrote: > G'day, not sure if I am allowed to ask this on this list or not, but I am > struggling finding someone. > > I am in ne

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Russ Weakley
Why go that far? Why not let this browser see the CSS and fail gracefully - or semi-gracefully as needed (as long as the content and navigation are accessible so that the site can be navigated and read). On 18/12/2010, at 10:20 PM, tee wrote: > I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 star

Re: [WSG] Flight Centre looking for talented front end developers to start immediately

2010-12-22 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi all, 1. Please reply off list. 2. Jobs should not be posted to the WSG list. Instead, please send all jobs directly to memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org - they will rhen be sent out with each weeks links for light reading Thanks Russ On 23/12/2010, at 10:54 AM, Ryan Blunden wrote: > Hi ev

Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems

2011-01-11 Thread Russ Weakley
Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files Thanks Russ On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin wrote: > Hi there, > > I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the same > in Safari and firefox. > Let me explain to you: The padding-botto

Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Neeraj, Some questions: 1. are you also aiming to make the PDF's accessible? (i.e. tagged PDFs) 2. why PDF to Word? I have found there is little benefit in this type of conversion. I just checked with a blind user now - asking "is there any advantage in Word over PDF"? His answer: "If th

Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Russ Weakley
re it is. Though others may disagree! Thanks Russ - Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Skype: russ-maxdesign MSN: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Twitter: http://twitte

Re: [SPAM] [WSG] html5 and iframes?

2011-03-09 Thread Russ Weakley
Agree... but support is sadly poor for the "seamless" attribute. Here is a quick article on "seamless": iframe scrollbars and borders in HTML5 – working with “seamless” http://www.maxdesign.com.au/2011/03/10/iframe-scrollbars-and-html5/ Thanks Russ On 10/03/2011, at 2:47 AM, Jon Reece wrote:

Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu Bar Help Needed

2011-03-29 Thread Russ Weakley
Our good friend Xiong is no longer with us (on the mailing list at least) As you were... Russ On 30/03/2011, at 3:47 AM, huangmei mei wrote: > hello , my good friend , our is china wholesale brand shoes . pls chack our > site in fo : www.west-trading.com > > thanks > xiong > > > **

Re: [WSG] possible to make DT and DD behave like TH and TD column visually?

2011-03-31 Thread Russ Weakley
0; margin: 0; border-top: 1px solid #ddd; } 3. Both items are floated left. Setting a clear: right will not help or have any affect here. Clear: right will clear any right floated item above. Thanks Russ ---------- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 94

Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Weakley
ding your own website the right way using HTML and CSS By Ian Lloyd One to avoid, as I have heard the author was on crack while writing it: CSS in Ten minutes by Russ Weakley :) On 06/04/2011, at 8:56 AM, Andrew Staff wrote: > Hello all, > > I was wondering if anyone on this distributi

Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Weakley
> > I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with > the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: > > There is also this site which takes issue with W3schools: http://w3fools.com/ Personally, I think the approach t

Re: [WSG] What kind of unit is _qem ?

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Weakley
This question has come up on CSS discuss in the past. http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/104705 One answer: "I believe qem stands for "quirky em" and is a proprietary Webkit syntax used to refer to a margin which can be collapsed when the page is in quirks mode." How weird is tha

Re: [WSG] Mobile detection using CSS media queries

2011-05-03 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Caleb, This is probably one of those "case by case" decisions. For some small sites, simple media queries may be fine. However, if you have a large site, or high levels of mobile traffic, you may want to consider more robust alternatives - such as device detection etc. This article is a li

Re: [WSG] Looking for Melbourne based web developers

2011-05-10 Thread Russ Weakley
Ok. Any replies need to be offlist directly to to original poster please! Thanks Russ On 11/05/2011, at 12:54 PM, huyen tran wrote: > Dear Stefan ! > I'm can work SEO very good with cheapest prices.i ' have all severs. Can I > help you? please contact with me This is mail of me huyentran1...@

Re: [WSG] Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code

2011-05-22 Thread Russ Weakley
Please ignore. The user has been deleted form the system. As you were... Thanks Russ On 22/05/2011, at 8:24 PM, Richard Collmann wrote: > Just how did this get in? And twice? > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/m

Re: [WSG] Google Les Paul tribute

2011-06-09 Thread Russ Weakley
> HTML, CSS and JavaScript of course. Remarkably detailed and insightful help there! ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: me

Re: [WSG] border doesn't work when -ms-filter (gradient) is used

2011-07-09 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Tee, Unfortunately, this is a known issue. Basically, this MS gradient filters will "drown out" or over-ride borders. You can see this more dramatically if you apply an MS gradient filter to a box that also has a border-radius defined. The MS gradient filter will render a gradient backgrou

Re: [WSG] major web site project

2011-08-10 Thread Russ Weakley
> I suggest we spam this person 100 times each until he figures how to die > without bothering us! > > On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:30 PM, garment4u...@gmail.com wrote: > >> go die >> >> 2011/8/11 garment4u...@gmail.com >> Please !! >> WSG !! >> NEVER AGAIN ! OK everyone, calm down. The offending

[WSG]Welcome to all our new members and a quick article

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
First of all, welcome to all of our new members. In the last week we have had quite a few people join, and we now have 74 members. Ironically, for the last few weeks, the list has been the quietest it has been for a long while. Time to get posting! A couple of house keeping issues: 1. RESOURCES

[WSG]Sitemaps and Site Indexes

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
Boxes and Arrows has an interesting article out on sitemaps and site indexes - apologies if you've already seen it (a week or so old): http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/sitemaps_and_site_indexes_what_they_a re_and_why_you_should_have_them.php Thanks Russ *

Re: [WSG]Welcome to all our new members and a quick article

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
Hi Ben, Welcome to the group! You comment is true - in relation to Win/IE. Theoretically, ems and percents are exactly the same and SHOULD operate in the same way on all browsers, However, to quote CSS-discuss wiki: A word of caution concerning IE. Be careful using ems. The most recent versions

Re: [WSG]Welcome to all our new members and a quick article

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
Ooops. Forgot to include the link: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingEms > > Theoretically, ems and percents are exactly the same and SHOULD operate in > the same way on all browsers, However, to quote CSS-discuss wiki: > * The discuss

[WSG]A nice CSS presentation from Adactio

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
A very nice presentation about web standards/CSS http://adactio.com/articles/display.php/CSS_based_design "Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain but you feel it, that there's something wrong with the web. You don't know what it is

Re: [WSG]Welcome to all our new members and a quick article

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
s an oldish article. This method may work? > http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/typography/index.html > > Any ideas on having some sort of system or network (a free one) to > test/check CSS on different platforms and browsers? > > Chris Chudleigh. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.oceanbreezede

[WSG]Want a little controversy in your life?

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/more_important_than_web_standards.p hp#511 D. Keith Robinson writes at his weblog: "In my opinion, at this point in time and for the foreseeable future, Web standards, in and of themselves, have very little to do with the success, or lack thereof, of a Web

[WSG]Very important accessibility article

2003-09-23 Thread russ weakley
You may have already seen this... We have discussed screen reader accessibility on this list a few times, but a lot of it was speculation. Here are a few definitive answers and a solution - "Screen reader Visibility" by Bob Easton: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility Than

[WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy

2003-09-24 Thread russ weakley
Well... all I can say is that styling lists is VERY popular now: http://www.accessify.com/archives/2003_09_21_news-archives.asp#1064391392458 30931 Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG]Tables or DIVs / Spans?

2003-09-24 Thread russ weakley
Hi Beau, Where possible I'd try and go for non-tables, and use standard form elements and form-accessibility elements in conjunction with CSS to control the visual layout of a form. This means that "fieldsets" could be used to contain each question block, and "legends" as the form questions. The

Re: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy

2003-09-24 Thread russ weakley
Anton, Wow, have you been listening to the phone conversations between Peter and I? This is exactly what is happening in the next week or so - when we launch version 2. The code you have suggested is almost identical to what I have prepared (except the strong). You even suggested the same id names

Re: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy

2003-09-24 Thread russ weakley
g >> around with anyway (using instead of #current for increased >> accessibility): > > ***** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > *

Re: [WSG]Vertically aligned text without tables

2003-09-25 Thread russ weakley
Hi George, First of all, that is one very nice looking site! CSS-driven vertical alignment does not work on block level elements. For the definitive answer (from Eric Meyer's "Cascading Stylesheets Programmers Reference"): Vertical-align determines the alignment of text within a line or within a

[WSG]Re: voice-family

2003-09-25 Thread russ weakley
to report back something more conclusive. > > -- > Adam > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * Thanks Russ

Re: [WSG] Vertically aligned text without tables

2003-09-25 Thread russ weakley
Good solution, James! > The display:inline declaration was unnecessary in this context. I > accidentally left it in when playing around with the box positioning. It > worked in aye-eeeh 6, but it came unstuck in Opera 6. Maybe it could be > tweaked to work reliably. > ***

[WSG]O-matic madness...

2003-09-26 Thread russ weakley
First came Listamatic (lots of lists gathered into one place)... Next came List-o-matic, that automated the lists... http://www.accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/list-o-matic/list-o-matic.asp Then List-a-rama, a DreamWeaver extension to do automatic list generation... http://www.dmxzone.com/ShowDet

Re: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy

2003-09-28 Thread russ weakley
A good point, Chris! To follow up on that concept of four level nested lists, I wrote a quick and dirty five step demo to show how the cascade works as you go down the levels. Apologies to those that already know this! http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/list_cascade/index.htm Russ (I'm not

[WSG]Strange banana is back

2003-09-28 Thread russ weakley
For those of you who have seen it, not worth a second look, but if you haven't, Strange Banana is back online. http://www.strangebanana.com/generator.aspx "StrangeBanana is a program that creates a random webpage design. The page design you are looking at has never been seen before - it was crea

[WSG]Comprehensive CSS workshop

2003-09-28 Thread russ weakley
Comprehensive CSS workshop Melbourne, Australia, October 18 John Allsopp http://www.westciv.com/courses/workshops/ This is a hands-on, full day, small group seminar focussing on CSS for page layout for developers familiar with hand coding HTML and CSS. BTW, is there anyone interested in this so

[WSG]CSS Positioning Properties

2003-09-29 Thread russ weakley
A nice summary of CSS Positioning Properties http://www.miswebdesign.com/resources/articles/css-positioning-properties.ht ml This article is aimed at experienced CSS developers who need a reference for the properties related to positioning in CSS 2. Each section of this article includes a link t

[WSG]CSS workshop in Sydney

2003-09-29 Thread russ weakley
Sydney members (apologies to other members), I have now spoken with John Allsopp from Westciv and he is happy to do a CSS training day in Sydney if we can get the numbers. The full price is $250 for the full day. However, if we can get 10-15 people, we can make a group booking as WSG members and g

[WSG]WSG "Digest mode"

2003-09-30 Thread russ weakley
Did you know that instead of getting lots of individual WSG emails, you can change your settings to "Digest mode"? This means you will get one email every day from the WSG mail list, with all the day's WSG messages included within the one email. To set your membership to "digest mode" simply emai

[WSG]A few articles to read...

2003-09-30 Thread russ weakley
1. SimpleBits has a nice article about accessible image-tab rollovers - a blow-by-blow account: http://www.simplebits.com/archives/2003/09/30/accessible_imagetab_rollovers. html 2. A detailed article on Abbreviations, Acronyms, Initialisms - what they are, the differences, using CSS with them and

Re: [WSG]Font support chart?

2003-09-30 Thread russ weakley
eorgia 71.58% > > After this it drops off pretty quickly to 30% and below. The full list is > attached. > > > Cheers > > Mark > > > __ > Mark Stanton > Technical Director > Gruden Pty Ltd > Tel: 9956 6388 > Mob: 0410 458 20

[WSG]Topics for Sydney meeting 23/10/03

2003-10-01 Thread russ weakley
We have another meeting coming up in three weeks. I will be asking people in a week or so to RSVP, but for now I'd like a quick poll on preferred topics. This poll is open to all members, even if you cannot attend (or are in a different city/country), as the presentations will be made available to

[WSG]Bare Bones CSS

2003-10-01 Thread russ weakley
An article called: "Bare Bones, No Crap, CSS Text Control Primer" - Very clear basic css concepts: http://wendypeck.com/css101.html Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG]a little xhtml1.1 template

2003-10-01 Thread russ weakley
James, I build a range of full CSS layouts when I first started playing with full CSS. Most of them are still online, and there are a number that are centred and reasonably browser-stable. There is code on the page to make it easier: Single column Centre aligned, scalable width http://www.maxdesi

[WSG]Just came across a beautiful CSS site..

2003-10-01 Thread russ weakley
Just came across this beautiful full-CSS site. Proves that building to webstandards shouldn't interfere with good design: http://www.jilliansherry.com/index.html The site is designed and built by Mike Pick: http://www.mikepick.com/news/index.shtml Mike Pick also did the "What lies beneath" CSSZen

Re: [WSG] padding/margin issue

2003-10-02 Thread russ weakley
Standard HTML lists have a certain amount of left-indentation. The amount varies on each browser. Some browsers use padding (Mozilla, Netscape, Safari) and others use margins (Internet Explorer, Opera) to set the amount of indentation. The best thing to do is to remove all default padding first li

[WSG]Free Morphon CSS Editor just launched

2003-10-02 Thread russ weakley
http://www.morphon.com/csseditor/index.shtml Seems to be available for every platform under the sun. Haven't tried it yet, so can't comment on quality of the product. Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG]CSS Forms

2003-10-02 Thread russ weakley
anyone point me in the direction of some good > examples or references in this area? > > Thanks. > Jerrod > >> -- >> From: russ weakley >> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2003 3:04 PM >> To: Web Standards Group >> Subj

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