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From: Susie Gardner-Brown
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Seconded ... (or 10th, whatever!)
You (one) really have to be able to handcode. I use Dreamweaver but I always
have it open in both views, never
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Well, I started with Dreamweaver's design view, since, that was what I was
thought. My first site was a table crap :) I didn't know what was going on.
I decided to learn the nuts bolts of HTML. My
Hi Kate
You said: do need to study how frames work (naming) too.
Nononono!
Frames are awful for accessibility and usability (iFrames are arguably
better). I can't think of an example of a really good framed site (although
other list members may be able to offer some).
I used to
Thank you for saying that, Elizabeth, couldn't agree more about both
frames and Flash...
I strongly recommend customers against fully-flash sites due to the
inconsistent (compared to web conventions), usually non-spiderable, and
inaccessible navigation, but agree it can be useful for specific
Bruce, I couldn't agree more - the road is littered with web
developers who don't know how to write XHTML or CSS. We rescue their
customers frequently.
I'd say that, in order to learn how the web really works, write HTML and
CSS from scratch (yes, in a text editor). To get started, find a site
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Dave Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, there are some who say that hand coding websites is too
inefficient... but the way to make hand coding more efficient *isn't* to
use Dreamweaver or [insert your favourite WYSIWYG HTML editor here].
Actually, as far
The way to make it work is to stop writing static HTML sites. Instead
use one of the many freely available open source CMS frameworks and
simply hand code the templates for them once (making hand coded changes
for other customer sites as required). That's what we do with Drupal.
I would not
But the ease of updating a site using a CMS such as Drupal or WordPress is
often what people are wanting. To code each page individually, for many
people would be a right pain in the ass, as well as looking after file
structures and all that. Using a CMS is just bleedingly obvious for most
people,
If we plan on working in the web design world, you'll find that the real
world (at least for the moment) is far from standardized.
Frames, iframes, flash, nested table madness - it's out there on both
old sites _and_ new. Sometimes you have to go in and fix something on
one of these
Actually, Michael
Michael MD wrote:
I would not recommend this for sites on shared servers unless they
really do need a full-featured CMS.
Speed is important .. why add bloat if its not needed?
A mysql server in a typical ISP shared hosting environment often
struggles to handle a large
Hi
What's the url?
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Peter Mount
Web Development for Business
Mobile: 0411 276602
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http://www.petermount.com
On 24/11/2008, at 9:55 PM, kate wrote:
Hello,
My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and
wondered what you think so far as to:
Top
Hello Peter,
I followed with another messge for the link but here it is:
http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html
Sorry.!
Kate
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From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:08 AM
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Sent: 24 November 2008 11:57
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Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hello Peter,
I followed with another messge for the link but here it is:
http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html
Sorry.!
Kate
As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and
xhtml by hand, but learned to build websites in Dreamweaver, I would
say Rachel's approach might be difficult for some. This being your
first website Kate, I would say to use some of the better tools
Dreamweaver offers and
Subject: RE: [WSG] First Attempt
Hi Kate,
For a first webpage you're doing pretty well - you have some images
there and have changed the background colour and text colour on the
page.
However, using the Dreamweaver design view approach will not give you
the best end results, or teach you the best
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote:
Wow! You hand code
For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only
way available if you want to get it right...
...although its a long road
Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the
excellent advice
As someone who has read the post, in Dreamweaver 8, to follow along with
Todd's statement, choose (File -- New) and under the General tab choose
Starter Pages. You may choose from the list DW8 has. The rest I agree with.
Try learning some of the code from the pre-existing sites, modify one
section
: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
As someone who has read the post, in Dreamweaver 8, to follow along with
Todd's statement, choose (File -- New) and under the General tab choose
Starter Pages. You may choose from the list DW8 has. The rest I agree with. Try
, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Date: Monday, 24 November, 2008, 3:19 PM
As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and
xhtml by hand, but learned to build websites
Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote:
Wow! You hand code
For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only
way available if you want to get it right...
...although its a long road
Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply,
in Notepad but I am impressed by people
that can..who knows I may try it.
Thanks Bruce!
Kate
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From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM
kate wrote:
Thanks Bruce,
Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone
created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red
theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher.
I never knew then about testing in different browsers
Kate wrote:
Wow! You hand code.
You realize many people started developing web sites before anything
like DreamWeaver even existed -- when the *only* option was opening
up a file in vi or emacs or whatever text editor and hand coding?
It's not rocket science, honest. And the sooner you throw
kate wrote:
Wow Bruce,
I transferred my code from Dreamweaver to Notepad gave it the .index.html
and bingo even images..wow my giddy aunt I am amazed.
lolol
Positive from this is no upgrades for Dreamweaver.
Kate
wow my giddy aunt I am amazed.
This statement is destined to go down in
kate,
thought i'd throw in my two cents.
firstly i was in your position a couple years ago, using dreamweaver.
at a certain point i realized i didn't know what i was doing or what
was going wrong when things didn't view properly. i hadn't heard
anything about box models, didn't know what
5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
kate,
thought i'd throw in my two cents.
firstly i was in your position a couple years ago, using dreamweaver. at
a certain point i realized i didn't know what i was doing or what was
going wrong when things didn't view properly. i hadn't heard
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Kate wrote:
Wow! You hand code.
You realize many people started developing web sites before anything
like DreamWeaver even existed -- when the *only* option was opening
up a file in vi or emacs or whatever text editor and hand coding?
It's not rocket science
On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
Hopefully this can get back on web standards topic...
...might be a good moment to remember a previous thread re: standards
and swf. I'm sorry not to remember who provided this link, but I've
found it invaluable:
Thanks Bruce
Agree BOT, I can now from the help get learning.
Thankyou!
Kate
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From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt
kate wrote:
Thanks Hassan,
I am trying to create
Well, I started with Dreamweaver's design view, since, that was what I was
thought. My first site was a table crap :) I didn't know what was going on.
I decided to learn the nuts bolts of HTML. My next site was table based
but with a valid code.
Then, I joined various lists, communities and saw
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