Hi Kristy, Steve, and all
I practise Karate kihon and kata in slow, almost Taichi-like motion. SOME speed
does pick up as I get warmer, but not that much speed. I think it's great that
the martial arts are seen as beneficial to one's health. Any talk of health(or
even PEACE, for that matter)
Thanks, Mel. I'll spend some time with your comments.. k
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
From: Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 1:57 AM
Morpheus = John The Baptist?. Interesting!. Never thought about it. Then I
suppose that the traitor must be Judas or is he not?. If not, who is the
traitor?. And what about the little child who can bend the spoon?. And the
rest of characters that come in the next two following movies?.
Anthony:
That is not Just This because there was an initial future projection, plan,
thought of going to the orgy. house. Just This doesn has past or future as
it only happens in the flow of the present moment. Just This is empty.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Anthony Wu
Thanks Kirk. Haven't heard the movie you mention but I search for it.
Mayka
--- On Tue, 22/2/11, salik888 kirkmi...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: salik888 kirkmi...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 22 February, 2011, 23:41
Steve:
One of the difficulties in forums is that not all participants are
practitioners and because of that threads can go on and on with sometimes
disparates ideas. As a result we have responses based in intellectual and not
as much as much as the insight or the fruits of practise. Because
I will beg to differ on one point: Rape has little to do with sexual desire. It
is about power, control, and victimization.
Those of us who believe sex is a natural product of lust, sexual desire, and
love often will assume that rape, since it is a sexual act, is associated in
some way with
Steve,
I am not an enlightened man. But IMO, enlightenment without compassion is not
full enlightenment, or a 'distorted enlightenment', which is not worth striving
for.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, eugnostos2000 eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: eugnostos2000 eugnostos2...@yahoo.com
Steve,
I think I understand Kristy in this case. You are changing too fast for her to
follow, so she is better off pulling straws out of her teeth.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm
Kristy,
Ah, I remember the scene somewhere near an airport in Canada. I did not realize
it was you. Sorry.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest
To:
Hello Mel,
Are you possessed by an irresistible need to have me change my ways to
make you happy? ;-)
Best regards,
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632000@... wrote:
MEL: Yes, but the words DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL are open to
interpretation (..ED, no need to
Hello Steve -
Whom do you label as 'a buddha'?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, eugnostos2000 eugnostos2000@...
wrote:
Hello. I have been following the recent discussions concerning zen,
Zen
and ethics with interest. IMO, it is a bit of a Red Herring to stay
fixated on sexual
Mayka,
You say, 'Just This doesn has past or future as it only happens in the flow of
the present moment. Just This is empty.'
It meets what happens in the orgyhouse precisely. No plans or projections are
needed.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
Hi Audrey -
Yours is an assertion that conforms to the usual feminist position. It
may be true or it may not. Has the truth of the assertion been confirmed
by say neurophysiologists and neuropsychologists?
Thanks, ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, audreydc1983 audreydc1983@...
wrote:
I
Rape is primarily about satisfying sexual desire when it can't be achieved
otherwise. Complete power over a woman can be a very strong aphrodisiac.
Especially where violence or injury is involved it can also be combined with
the man's desire for revenge against women for perceived psychological
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, eugnostos2000 eugnostos2000@...
wrote:
Hello. I have been following the recent discussions concerning zen,
Zen and ethics with interest. IMO, it is a bit of a Red Herring to stay
fixated on sexual ethics which even non-Zennists will often regard as a
Audrey, below is an alternative perspective on the subject.
--ED
PS: I hold no position on this issue yet.
Politics of Rape:
Debunking the Feminist Myth
By Trayce Hansen, Ph.D.
Rape isn't about sex! That's what feminists proclaim.
And they've declared it so continuously and persuasively
Anthony:
Is that your own direct experience in the orgy house?. Because if not is just
a mental assumption you're making.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: An Article of Interest
To:
The best to slow down the high rate of raping in the world is to take the
justice in one hands and cut the sexual organs of the rapist so that no more
women are raped by the same rapist.. Raping is one of those things that makes
really furious to all women in the world.
--- On Wed,
ED,
An excellent comprehensive and objective scientific review of the subject!
Edgar
On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:39 AM, ED wrote:
Audrey, below is an alternative perspective on the subject.
--ED
PS: I hold no position on this issue yet.
Politics of Rape:
Debunking the
Steve and Bill, what might a woman/man who had realized kensho-satori
have to say about punishment for rape?
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
The best to slow down the high rate of raping in the world is to take
the justice in one hands and cut
ED;
Yours is a good question. The only thing is that is addressed to two persons
who happen to be men. Ask the same question to a woman and answer might be
different from the one you may receive. One only has to think how one would
react if a woman for one family will be raped such as one
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
Morpheus = John The Baptist?. Interesting!.  Never thought about it. Then
I suppose that the traitor must be Judas or is he not?. If not, who is the
traitor?. Â And what about the little child who can bend the
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@... wrote:
Steve,
Â
I think I understand Kristy in this case. You are changing too fast for her
to follow, so she is better off pulling straws out of her teeth.
Â
Anthony
Hi Anthony. LOL!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
Hello Steve -
Whom do you label as 'a buddha'?
--ED
Hi ED. Oh, you, I suppose. Do you deliberately harm others?
Steve
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, eugnostos2000 eugnostos2000@
wrote:
Hello. I have been following the recent discussions concerning zen,
Zen and ethics with interest. IMO, it is a bit of a Red Herring to stay
fixated on
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
Steve and Bill, what might a woman/man who had realized kensho-satori
have to say about punishment for rape?
--ED
Hi ED. If I see one, I'll ask him or her for you.
Steve
Thank you, Steve. I can't help to smile...:-)
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On 2/23/2011 9:49 AM, SteveW wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com,
ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
--- In
Anthony,
You are back to the striving-thing. How can one strive , and be in just
THIS at the same time? In my view-- you can't. Please enlighten me... k
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm
Mayka,
Not that its any of your business.. but yes-- I have been. My
economics professor broke into my apartment and did just that. Satisfied?
Don't even think you can lecture me about how or 'what to feel, or not
feel... k
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
K...
Sorry to hear about it. I wasn't lecturing you but just giving a response to
your posting. If you, myself or anybody else write something in the forum,
then one also has to have the courage to handle the different responses. There
was not intention of offense, though.
Mayka
--- On
An interesing question is in effect posed below:
Under what circumstances is it justifiable and even advisable to supress
truth?
What would Jesus do? What would a buddha do?
--ED
PS: The fact that some women may sometimes have sexual fantasies of rape
is no justification whatsoever for
ED,
I share Maria's sentiment - personally, I care little about the politics, even
though they most likely formed my view of rape itself. Maybe not politics is to
blame - perhaps it is the media, reporting so many stories of rape that women
see a rapist behind every shadow; around every turn of
Audrey,
Which sentiment(s) of Maria do you agree with?
~ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, audreydc1983 audreydc1983@...
wrote:
ED,
I share Maria's sentiment - personally, I care little about the
politics, even though they most likely formed my view of rape itself.
~Audrey
Steve,
Everyone, including you of course, IS a Buddha. Most just don't realize it.
Edgar
On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:51 PM, SteveW wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
Steve and Bill, what might a woman/man who had realized kensho-satori
have
I would do copious shikantaza to calm my mind.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
K...
What would you do if your daughter, sister, mother, niece... will be
raped?.
Mayka
Kristy,
Good objective comments. Rape fantasies are indeed common among women, though
of course these are invariably about really appealing lusty guys who won't take
no for an answer rather than men that the woman isn't attracted to as may well
be the case in actual rapes. The cure for rape is
Edgar:
All this sounds thoughtful while reading but incomplete as there is no mention
or comment about both physical and mental wounds inflicted over the women the
rapist left behind. There is no mention either of any of the consequences over
the life of that particular woman who was raped
Mayka,
I am nearly impossible to offend. You read too much into my comment. No
problem.. k :)
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date:
K...
You lose me now. What do you mean?. Explain, please.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011,
*smiles*
Sorry! In your last line, you said your comment was not meant to offend, and
I was merely trying to assure you that it didn't! Sometimes internet
exchanges are difficult to interpret accurately;) k
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria
Agree Kristy. It happens to me too all the time. Truly glad of
misunderstanding being sorted out. Mayka
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To:
Audrey:
I'm afraid that only women can truly understand the harm left behind of a
rapist. as in this forum it look like that most of participants are male the
insight and solidarity of a woman is most valuable. I don't think that male
really are aware of the destructive psycological impact
THEORY!!!
--- On Wed, 23/2/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 20:41
I would do copious shikantaza to calm my mind.
--ED
--- In
For Anthony..
Given the recent threads, I had to laugh when I saw this..
Off to a fun-filled lecture on hormones (HRT);) k
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Bringing Everything to the Path
Integral Tantra
Sally Kempton and Ken Wilber
This is
Did you mean the article:
In Defense of Promiscuity Part II
Jun Po Kelly Roshi
(http://integrallife.com/member/jun-po-kelly-roshi/blog/defense-promiscu\
ity-part-ii
http://integrallife.com/member/jun-po-kelly-roshi/blog/defense-promiscu\
ity-part-ii ) ?
--ED
--- In
Hi Mayka,
Well, how about if the rapist was your brother or husband? I'm discussing the
issue objectively not personally. One doesn't have to always inject a personal
dimension to everything. Doing so can become an attachment which Zen tells us
to avoid as an impediment to realization.
Is this your immediate reactive response only, or would it also be your
final considered response? If 'yes', do you believe that the Buddha
would approve?~ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
The best to slow down the high rate of raping in the world
Edgar:
Responding with another question is a way of running away of a question or
evading a question addressed. I know that your posting was objective but you
have to admit if not in public at least to yourself that posting was incomplete
as there was not mention of the other side impact of
It appears that God did not take rape too seriously.
Question: How do you explain to a non-believer how God sanctions rape in
Old Testament times?
Answer: First of all, in some passages God seems to tacitly sanction
rape. In the Old Testament Moses encourages his men to use captured
virgins for
Are you talking about the God fantasy created by male holy scriptures?. (Can't
recall any woman written them).
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 24
In other words, Mayka, you would experience the same instinctive urge
for vengeance against those who hurt your loved ones that most humans in
the real world (illusory world to Bill) experience. But in Buddhism and
Christianity, and in our society in general, we are trained not to allow
our
ED:
I can say with great confidence about myself that I'm not a vendictive
person. But I do have a great sense of justice. And as for Bill and all the
rest, don't be such a child!. Surely you don't need to involve Bill to speak
up your mind.
Mayka
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, ED
Mayka:
(1) You possess the confidence of a testosteronic male! ;-)
(2) You appear to be incapable of apprehending humor (in the English
language at a minimum.)
(3) It is generally delusionary for persons to assert that they can
assess their own motivations with 'great confidence.'
~ED
ED;
I was about getting off on line when your post came out. It's late now here.
I don't understand your question Number 1. Number 2: you actually may be
right. Question Number 3: I stick to what I previously stated.
Good night. Sleep well.
Mayka
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, ED
Hi Ed,
Actually, I was thinking of the Tantra one. You know Anthony and his tantra.
I just love to watch his agitations.. ~k~
--- On Wed, 2/23/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Fwd: Integral Tantra and Sexual Ethics
To:
Mayka -
Most normal humans have a great sense of 'justice' - otherwise referred
to as 'retribution.'
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
ED:
I can say with great confidence about myself that I'm not a
vendictive person. But I do have a great sense
Edgar,
I agree fully with your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, but I disagree with part of
what you say in the first, when you suggest that the cure for a rapist, is to
have a willing partner to satisfy and indulge his sexual appetite and
fantasiey, whenever he desires it. While i acknowledge that
Steve...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, eugnostos2000 eugnostos2000@... wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote:
ED
Hey Bill! Those are a whole lot of exclamation points. I guess this
means you are ED's demon now. And you didn't
Kristy, Come closer and I'll lop off your Just THIS! ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthyplay1@... wrote:
Anthony,
Â
Its not bad. Its not good. It's Just THIS.. ~k~
--- On Tue, 2/22/11, Anthony Wu wuasg@... wrote:
From: Anthony Wu wuasg@...
Kristy, Now this is more original, more you than borrowing my Just THIS!
Kristy!!!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthyplay1@... wrote:
Anthony,
Â
*blush*Â *fanning me face*Â *sigh*Â *breathing fast*
Â
Name the date. I'll be there.. k
Â
ED,
I couldn't answer for all who have experienced satori. They would all have
their own answers, and some perhaps no answer. Experiencing satori
(realization of Buddha Mind) does not automatically give everyone the same
values. That's the job of a religion. Religions built up around
Are there any forum participants who have raped someone? Male or female?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@... wrote:
Audrey:
Â
I'm afraid that only women can truly understand the harm left behind of a
rapist. as in this forum it look like that most of
Can a Buddha Harm Others?
This is not a difficult question to answer once you wade through all the
semanitcs.
'Can' is 'able to'. Does Buddha have the ability to harm others?
I assume by 'Buddha' you mean someone who is fully enlightened - manifesting
Buddha Mind 24x7.
'Harm' is a little
Can Buddha speak untruthfully?
This was asked also...
Truth and un-truth are dualistic concpets. Buddha Mind (Just THIS!) is not
concerned with (perhaps 'not bound by' is more appropriate) dualisms such as
this.
As with 'harm', 'truth' is not an absolute. It is relative and is defined by
There are no Buddhas.
In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create
distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true.
Philip
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk
It is quite justifiable being agnostic with respect to the conception of
the existence of Buddhas, as such a belief cannot be proven and so is an
act of faith. Faith in the existence of Buddhas can be a force for good
in many, (as can belief in the existence of God.)
~ED
--- In
ED,
Isn't it better to live in Truth than dwell in the false?
Mike
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 24 February, 2011 12:51:20
Subject: [Zen] Re: Can A Buddha Harm Others?
Bill,
Of what value, if any, is the
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