The best guide for meditation is one's own breathing
Merle
The only reason why I sat up and took notice of your postings was when you
suggested that time should be taken to examine the Christian teachings, as
Christians seem to be like a swarm of ants in this world we live in. You didn't
say that last part but that was basically the gist of what
If one will get into this, it may be best to take up basic archaeology at the
very least. It's practically impossible to form logical opinions or conclusions
without the ability to read scientific data, and I'm the first to confess to
such lacking
Mel
mel..you take offence at my way of seeing religion..
.i have already told the group i did bible study via correspondence and bible
study at sunday school..winning prizes..and i have read the bible.
.so next question?.
.i was baptised as a lutheran ..3 months of age in germany..no i am not
joe in 1974 i went to some wonderful cathedrals in europe...saint john's must
be glorious
.i love stain glass windows and organs...
i love the holy communion ceremony
mel thinks... from my understanding i am a sinner cos i love nature..(.no i am
not a witch) understand other religions and mix
joe.
.i have my magic silver top engraved with indian figurines monkey magic stick
..doth thou thinketh me to sway sideways and listen to gobbly gook?
i am with you all the way
i dig what you say
indeed
merle
Merle,
Now, now, you're not a naive cookie. Faker! ;-)
We monkeys figured
From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: [Zen] mel..be of good cheer
mel..you take offence at my way of seeing religion..
i live my life in growing circles
http://picture-poems.com/rilke/hours.html#Ich lebe
Bill and Bill!,
I hear this claim that Jesus came to change the Old Testament all the time.
Doesn't seem to ring true at all.
Below are Jesus' quotes from the New Testament:
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is
Mel,
That'd be me who was raised in an atheistic household. Actually, I wasn't
raised with any particular philosphy named 'atheisim' - it was just a general
apathy to things religious. I don't like the word 'atheist'. We don't have a
specific name for people who don't believe in astrology,
Joe,
I lived just across the street from St. John the Divine for many years... Had a
great view from my living room windows... Woke to the sound of the peacocks...
Edgar
On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Joe wrote:
Merle,
I suggest, Go when there's nobody there. That is the best time.
Edgar,
Woke to the sound of the peacocks...
Funny, because you can hear the peacocks from here, too ; )
Mike
From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 12:09
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen: Re: Chan and Zen
Joe,
I can feel an Uranus joke coming on, but I'll heed your family values warning ;
)
Mike
From: Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 2:00
Subject: [Zen] Re: Samadhi
Now, now, Jake, keep it under
hey mel
do a survey and see who wants merle out of zen forum
no skin off my teeth
if i had dat zen stick i think it might be just time to wack it
true to zen as always and forever more
verily i say unto thee... be true to thy self..there is no higher truth
oh joe..congratulations...
Mike,
I am not knowledgable on Jesus, only knowing his word that his blood be
sacrificed instead of killing animals. That sounds like a bodhisatva.
Are you sure the quotes below were uttered by Jesus in reference to those
'laws' in the Old Testament? If so, there is no difference with Islam.
The Bodhisattva seeking thanks from a sentient being? You are a funny one.
On 8/5/2012 6:10 PM, Joe wrote:
I let it go at this. Thank me in 30 years.
On 8/5/2012 6:57 PM, Joe wrote:
My sticks are too fancy. It's just not necessary. It's just for viewers
Same for words.
KG
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On 8/5/2012 4:30 PM, mike brown wrote:
ancient legends of virgin births are plentiful.
Virgin birth a metaphor for what in Zen is often called Original
mind/Buddha nature, without beginning or end - without cause and effect.
Resurrection, a metaphor for awakening to/realizing this.
(and to
Anthony,
Didn't Jesus cure someone by making the demons enter a bunch of (innocent) pigs
who then threw themselves off a cliff? Shhh, don't tell PETA or they'll turn up
on Judgement Day with tins of red paint and spoil the party.
I think all the Abrahamic religions are the same on face value.
Kris,
It's been a while since I read Campbell's The Power of Myth and The Hero with a
Thousand Faces, but what you said in your last post about Jesus sounds just
like another story about archetypes and is, like you said, full of metaphors.
Such stories are plentiful. That's not to demean them
My educational background is hard science, Geology/Geophysics and I've had a
life long interest in Archeology. My point was that some catastrophic event
occured that involved lots of water and great widespread distruction in and
around the Mediterranean. There are recorded myths in several
Mike:
As I say in response to another post No One who wrote anything in the
Bible was physically present when Jesus said anything. Everything that is
recorded was passed by word of mouth for generations. It is recorded that as a
12 year old Yeshua ben David argued scripture with the
Bill,
Going by that description, sounds like it doesn't have much going for it either
as a record of historical accuracy or the word of god. Does the Bible, to you,
have a relevancy outside of just being a piece of interesting ancient
literature? Is it's message universally coherent or is it
On 8/6/2012 12:54 PM, mike brown wrote:
Thanks for your posts tho, I'm learning a lot more about the other
side of Christianity compared to what is usually on offer.
I am an unlikely source of such information. My apparent openness toward
various religions is relatively recent and not an
There's been a lot of hair-splitting on the forum. Noisy.
When it comes to contemplation, doubt is clarity.
When it comes to practice, sit, breathe, be.
... hell, laugh! We should all be laughing hysterically!! We're all done!!!
Imagine how silly a person would look if they were in a dark
The real, makes the most powerful metaphors.
Metaphorically, rather than 'Flood', I really like the word Deluge' -
as the link to delusion is less obscured.
As for your assertion that There is no reconciling the two - this is a
nice metaphor for the entire 'human condition' - fir 'duality' -
To me it is an enigma, wrapped in a mystery, shrouded by history. I do not
believe in a literal translation of the Bible. There are too many large gaps in
time, too many people recording things that they had heard. As you pointed out
I
am a Cherry Picker. I do believe that there is beauty,
Much of Buddhism was chanted by Hindus and others for centuries,
becoming a distinct set of teachings, then written down as traditions
changed/cultures intermixed, then translated many times, exported,
re-translated/re-imagined By Bon Mystics and Taoists and Shintoists and
Jews and
Kris, and other Readers,
In Zen, there is a transmission. It depends not on writings. It is heart to
heart. More direct too than an oral tradition. The *most* direct. The only
direct. All Hail, true lineages!
--Joe
Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
Much of Buddhism was chanted by
Understanding comes from this; from elsewhere; or, from nowhere.
Say: what do you understand? Forum member, well-met.
--Joe
pandabananasock pandabananasock@... wrote:
There's been a lot of hair-splitting on the forum. Noisy.
When it comes to contemplation, doubt is clarity.
When it comes
Definitely a time and a place for that, if you think.
--Joe
pandabananasock@... wrote:
The best guide for meditation is one's own breathing
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Yes, Joe. Very true and most essential. It is a heart to heart
transmission any of us can feel. It is not a ceremony of stamps. If
anyone is interested, I can post the link of someone who received such
transmission... jm
On 8/6/2012 5:15 PM, Joe wrote:
Kris, and other Readers,
In Zen,
Edgar,
Fantabulous. What a small world. But I would not want to paint it.
I knew the rather crazy lady who cared for the peacocks.
And who tended the Biblical Garden.
I knew Carla de Sola, and the late Arthur Eaton, of the Liturgical Dance
Company, there. I did Lighting for some of their
Joe,
Brings back a lot of memories. When were you there? I spent most of the 70's
living right across the street. Sure I remember the Hungarian Pastry Shop and
my wife (now long ex) took Tai Chi from Da Liu. In fact she met her next
husband in his class! Hope that wasn't you! :- ) In fact I
Wow; talk about good planning. ;-)
It does not seem as if you are planning to sell the stick! Not now, not ever!
Cherry is a great wood; a favorite. Here we have American Cherry, and that's
all I know.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 Wish i had of been there...sounds
Edgar,
I was there a long time. ;-)
At Columbia, for an Engineering degree from 1970-1974; and took a Philosophy
degree at General Studies in 1977 and thought I would be a Philosopher. I met
Sheng Yen in 1979 at Union Theological Seminary in Feb., 1979, and that was the
end of my Western
Joe,
I seem to have been misinformed on Da Liu's death date. Thanks for the
correction.
OK, I lived at 412 Cathedral Pkwy just down the street from you. I was working
for the NY Fed during that period but moved to NJ around 1979 to work for ATT.
I maintained my apartment #42 which was a
Time and place aside, the key is to meditate while breathing, not to breathe
while meditating. The only exception is when it's the other way around.
Good times!
--- On Mon, 8/6/12, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Guided
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