[Zen] UCSF introduces Chi
Good Morning All, For thousands of years, Chi is the foundation of Chinese culture. Chi is the base for Qigong, Taichi, Fengshui, Acupuncture, etc. etc. as well as the base of Chan meditation. Certified Chinese medical doctor will tell you that, based on Traditional Chinese Medicine, awareness， or Shen 『神』， or inner god， requires having Chi as its support. The video below is an introduction from UCSF about Chi, Chinese Medicine, etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EkwukyMV9o# It is also well documented in our other web site. http://www.chanliving.org Please take sometime and watch and read. Thank you for your attention. :-) -- Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] keeping silence = a clear head
Awareness of in and out breathing doesn´t require any extra apart of being fully present in the ground of our being while breathing in and out. Making distintions between duality and non duality it sounds more a thought than reality. Reallity doesn´t separates. It doesn´t make distintions. I have a tough cold. I breathe in, I breathe out. I stay with my cold. I experience all sensations given by the cold. Wouldn´t be at this point the thought of duality a distraction taking attention away from what is really happening, from what is there right now?. I have a cold. I can sit down and breathe. Mayka --- On Mon, 27/12/10, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au Subject: [Zen] keeping silence = a clear head To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 27 December, 2010, 13:55 Hello all I'm often the sort of person who says it straight from the heart without thinking of the consequences, even if it's to my detriment. You often see this type of character(eg. Piglet, from the tales of Pooh)...the type of character who often gets shot down even by those supposedly close to him for even just stating an opinion. I'm not the only one like this. There must be many. Yet, pride can't really be afforded to get caught in the cross-fire, especially with those who are so full of pride Perhaps the fault is from within me. I may have not taken seriously enough the teachings on emptiness, or the imparmenence of the Self. I'm not going into the details, but I was insulted left, right, and center today. However, the clear-headed part of me says to move on. Let me elaborate... It has been said that...for the beginners there are many possibilities, but very few as such for the experts on the other hand. A beginner's mind is like a clean and stainless glass that one can look through to the other side, whilst that of an expert's might be stained and even muddied. How can one look at all the possibilities through a dirty window to the outside? It's almost as bad as a clean rock or stone that had been rolled over and again across mud, dust, soil, and whatever else..to the point that the original rock/stone doesn't recognize itself any longer. Perhaps I am that same rock/stone as well, and I've covered myself up with all sorts of 'mud' of complications...to the point that the original Self is barely recognizable, nor can see all the possibilities of the outside world. While I feel sorry for myself, each moment of wasteful not-doing goes past In this case, the mud/dirt(read PRIDE/worry over the impermanent SELF) 'covering' me and therefore limiting the possiblities..well..this may well be the real issue at hand. Each moment followed by another moment, how can one live fully each moment if one is still living the previous moments? The object of hurt feelings is already long gone, yet why still live in the past moment? A clear head/heart is like clear glass. It's as if one's eyes is fully wide, and awake. To live each moment in full, and the moment after, and after, and after. It is indeed not easy for a Zen student to leave dualistic thinking behind just my thoughts Mel
[Zen] merely sharing(to JMJM/list)
Hi JMJM I was merely sharing an experience in that posting, and thanks for the suggestions in peace Mel Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Siska
Siska, There might be something wrong with your membership. I tried to pull it up and got: We're Sorry... We are unable to complete your request at this time. We are aware of this problem and are working on a resolution. (code -9997) If you continue to receive this error for more than 48 hours, please contact our Customer Care team. We apologize for this inconvenience. I'll try again tomorrow and let you know what I find out...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Your message to Mel
Hi Jerry, Thank you for asking. Counting our breath is what some school teaches. We teach following our breath instead, because the activity of counting requires mental process, which is what needs to be dropped as required by Chan Meditation. Follow the path of our breath in a slow and continuous fashion. Feel the chi going through our nose, to our throat, into our lung, into our belly. Hold there for 2-3 seconds before we exhale. The key is SSDL. (Slow, Soft, Deep and Long). The objective is to be able to breathe about 4 times in one minute maximum. No counting. Just feel and sense. Not visualizing, not imagining. It is clearer now? Let me know if you have more questions. JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 12/28/2010 7:50 AM, Jerry Lorraine Richter wrote:
[Zen] Dogen, koans, and all other matters(to ED/list)
To ED and all - Yahweh is unzen-like in his discussing mind(or something)? Yahweh does not discuss, he gives a direct command - You speak to each other in koans here...does that mean we can't use plain English here? - So much thinking is so 'unzen-like'? Of course. You have a choice of getting... a. a full explanation b. a few words here and there spread over many postings c. ignored ...take your pick - I experienced...truth? Did I say that? What truth? - All religions and world-views including atheism bring good and bad news...well..you said, not me. I guess you're not that afraid of Yahweh after all - beginner...expert...ED, please go through ZEN MIND BEGINNER'S MIND which was a book actually endorsed by a real Zen priest. James Austin(whatever his name was) doesn't qualify - There's a problem concerning Yes/No/this/that/(whatever that was) answers. You want 'zen-like' replies? That's what you may get - ...'kerfuffles'?Plain English, ED. Less of the mystic and scholarly stuff. I'm more concerned with everyday matters myself You're quite right...perhaps I do think too much and use too many words. Shall I reply to you like a machine that only knows the ON/OFF switch? It can be done Mel Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: Dogen, koans, and all other matters(to ED/list)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632...@... wrote: To ED and all - Yahweh is unzen-like in his discussing mind (or something)? Yahweh does not discuss, he gives a direct command Like a command to behave as follows? Uri Avnery The Darkness to Expel! http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery12272010.html
[Zen] Re: Your message to Mel
Hi JM, Bill and All - What is described below by JM is 'concentration meditation' or 'samatha', which in zazen is preliminary to the main practice of shikantaza. This preliminary samatha can be brief for a practitioner who can stabilize her mind quickly. Samatha comprises a suite, type or style of Buddhist meditation or concentration practices designed to enhance sustained voluntary attention, and culminates in an attention that can be sustained effortlessly for hours on end. (Wiki) According to Dôgen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular contentis the highest or purest form of zazen, zazen as it was practiced by all the buddhas of the past. (Wiki) In later posts, we shall compare different techniques for the samatha meditation portion of zazen. JM, is Chan meditation comprised of the samatha practice described below, without any subsequent shikantaza? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Follow the path of our breath in a slow and continuous fashion. Feel the chi going through our nose, to our throat, into our lung, into our belly. The key is SSDL. (Slow, Soft, Deep and Long). The objective is to be able to breathe about 4 times in one minute maximum. Just feel and sense. Not visualizing, not imagining. No counting.
Re: [Zen] Re: Your message to Mel
Hi Ed, Well, since my name has mentioned in your post. I thank you for granting me this opportunity. 1. I don't know what Shikantaza is. Sorry. 2. I don't know what Samatha is. Sorry again. 3. I know how to sit the Chan way as I described below. 4. I don't compare either, as you may notice, because comparing definition or words is not something Chan recommends. 5. Nor do I discuss, because nothing I have posted has any value. 6. Everything I have posted everyone already know. 7. There is only one thing I recommend -- meditate the Chan Way. 8. When you begins to witness something different, then ask me. Not quotes from others, only your personal experience. I hope you don't find my answers harsh. Because my job really is just to share what I have experienced. No more and no less. Every word is my personal witness. Yet word has no value. They are just descriptions of some real phenomenon and not the phenomenon itself. I respect your persistent search for the truth. But truth is not out there. Truth is always within you. And truth exists in every moment and in every being, big or small. All you have to do is to stop search outward and begin searching inward. Once you found it, you will said to yourself, Amazing. It is really really simple. Yes, Absolute Dharma is like the period at the end of this sentence. :-) BTW, FYI. Chan meditation is really routed in Tao. If you read XinXinMing. You will discovered it is quite Tao. I hope this helps. Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 12/28/2010 5:00 PM, ED wrote: Hi JM, Bill and All - What is described below by JM is 'concentration meditation' or 'samatha', which in zazen is preliminary to the main practice of shikantaza. This preliminary samatha can be brief for a practitioner who can stabilize her mind quickly. Samatha comprises a suite, type or styleof Buddhist meditation or concentration practices designed to enhance sustained voluntary attention, and culminates in an attention that can be sustained effortlessly for hours on end. (Wiki) According to Dôgen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular content—is the highest or purest form of /zazen/, /zazen/ as it was practiced by all the buddhas of the past. (Wiki) In later posts, we shall compare different techniques for the samatha meditation portion of zazen. JM, is Chan meditation comprised of the samatha practice described below, without any subsequent shikantaza? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Follow the path of our breath in a slow and continuous fashion. Feel the chi going through our nose, to our throat, into our lung, into our belly. The key is SSDL. (Slow, Soft, Deep and Long). The objective is to be able to breathe about 4 times in one minute maximum. Just feel and sense. Not visualizing, not imagining. No counting.
Re: [Zen] Your message to Mel
On Tuesday, December 28, 2010, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精 wrote:. All you have to do is to stop search outward and begin searching inward. I thought that there is no separating outside from inside. And that to find what you seek, stop searching. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Your message to Mel
Quite so. Chris. Indeed Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 12/28/2010 10:42 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: On Tuesday, December 28, 2010, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精 wrote:. All you have to do is to stop search outward and begin searching inward. I thought that there is no separating outside from inside. And that to find what you seek, stop searching.
[Zen] Re: Your message to Mel
Hi JM, Thank you so much for elaborating on and clarifying the Chan Way. At this point in time I am interested in traditional Zen/zen Ways, but will remain attentive and receptive to your presentations of the Chan Way. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Hi Ed, Well, since my name has mentioned in your post. I thank you for granting me this opportunity. 1. I don't know what Shikantaza is. Sorry. 2. I don't know what Samatha is. Sorry again. 3. I know how to sit the Chan way as I described below. 4. I don't compare either, as you may notice, because comparing definition or words is not something Chan recommends. 5. Nor do I discuss, because nothing I have posted has any value. 6. Everything I have posted everyone already know. 7. There is only one thing I recommend -- meditate the Chan Way. 8. When you begins to witness something different, then ask me. Not quotes from others, only your personal experience. I hope you don't find my answers harsh. Because my job really is just to share what I have experienced. No more and no less. Every word is my personal witness. Yet word has no value. They are just descriptions of some real phenomenon and not the phenomenon itself. I respect your persistent search for the truth. But truth is not out there. Truth is always within you. And truth exists in every moment and in every being, big or small. All you have to do is to stop search outward and begin searching inward. Once you found it, you will said to yourself, Amazing. It is really really simple. Yes, Absolute Dharma is like the period at the end of this sentence. :-) BTW, FYI. Chan meditation is really routed in Tao. If you read XinXinMing. You will discovered it is quite Tao. I hope this helps. Hi JM, Bill and All - What is described below by JM is 'concentration meditation' or 'samatha', which in zazen is preliminary to the main practice of shikantaza. This preliminary samatha can be brief for a practitioner who can stabilize her mind quickly. Samatha comprises a suite, type or style of Buddhist meditation or concentration practices designed to enhance sustained voluntary attention, and culminates in an attention that can be sustained effortlessly for hours on end. (Wiki) According to Dogen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular content is the highest or purest form of zazen, zazen as it was practiced by all the buddhas of the past. (Wiki) In later posts, we shall compare different techniques for the samatha meditation portion of zazen. JM, is Chan meditation comprised of the samatha practice described below, without any subsequent shikantaza? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com /group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=9Qr92BCr_LZRcEt7JSlbbmE3Qo5Hq2GIFenynhMHqN\ GrNoXORl-sdm9NYlqBGJPZGLJENtNESzzSmJBj32jN4qzFBw , Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: Follow the path of our breath in a slow and continuous fashion. Feel the chi going through our nose, to our throat, into our lung, into our belly. The key is SSDL. (Slow, Soft, Deep and Long). The objective is to be able to breathe about 4 times in one minute maximum. Just feel and sense. Not visualizing, not imagining. No counting.
