RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread BillSmart
Mac A. Roni, I'll respond to your recent post line by line, but first I want to make sure we're both talking about the same thing when we talk about the ability to determine right from wrong. It appears you use the term 'morality' for that, and so do I. I define 'morality' the same way it is defi

RE: [Zen] group

2008-10-07 Thread BillSmart
ature and travelling.. I would like to join this group for making enjoyeble life. __ NOD32 3502 (20081007) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Current Book Discussion: any Zen book tha

[Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread Mac A. Roni
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If you need a purpose to guide your actions, or you need a promise of reward or threat of retribution to convince you not to kill, burn, steal, or rape, try Christianity or one of the many other religions that provide you with an external daddy that will tell you what to d

[Zen] Anti-Semitism

2008-10-07 Thread Camila Diehl
Is anti-semitism alright in Zen Buddhism? I realize that everything is good and nothing is bad, and so I just want to make sure it is OK. I work with a lot of Jews, and during these holidays they are extra-obnoxious and more arrogant than usual, and I have to say that sometimes I hate their guts

[Zen] group

2008-10-07 Thread akash mehta
Hi, I m Akash Mehta, I m down to earth person. I love nature and travelling.. I would like to join this group for making enjoyeble life. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

RE: RE: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-07 Thread Jim
I enjoyed the story and I understand the zen point. In different times, we might have alternately have said that the monk was being humble, because his acts were those he would have expected any good person to perform, not those of a hero. He was a monk. If he had been a Celtic warrior, he w

Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth

2008-10-07 Thread mike brown
Hi Anthony, Yes, on my recent Vipassana retreat I was surprised to find out how 'stripped down' of mythology and spirituality Theravada is. I believed quite the opposite. In fact it seems much less a religion than Mahayana is, especially because of the Bodhisattva ideal (which of course does no

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-07 Thread mike brown
Hi Chris, Glad you liked it. I'm being to suspect they're all the same person.. Mike. - Original Message From: cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 1:46:17 Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability ROFLOL! ROFLOL! ROFLOL! Aug

Re: [Zen] Come back to "Aging and Zen"

2008-10-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Anthony, I don't consider myself a nihilist, though I can see how nihilists might consider me as such. I don't think nihilism has concepts of Zen, it just might accept all the negatives of Zen though. Also I don't think there is any scientific conclusion that consciousness survives the bo

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   I am a non-atheist that is also an ego-maniac. I hesitate to add a qualification of 'evil'.   Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 8/10/08, cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 8 Octobe

Re: [Zen] Come back to "Aging and Zen"

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Edgar,   That is why I assume you are a nihilist. Wait a moment. Doctors (non-religious) have concluded consciousness survives the body. Though they cannot prove what comes after death. That is a scientific conclusion so far.   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 7/10/08, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTE

[Zen] In Heaven and on Earth

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I spent two years in Thailand building a chemical plant. But I was too busy making my worldly living to interact with local monks. However, I read a lot about good monks such as Ajahn Chah and Puthathat (maybe a wrong spelling). In my opinion, Theravada represents an 'original' Buddhism,

Re: [Zen] oops - forgot blog

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Margie,   It makes good sense. When I worked in Thailand 18 years ago, my Thai vocabulary was just enough for bargaining in a fish market. Now it is much smaller. But I still recognize the word 'puying' next to 'woman', so I knew it is translation from the beginning.   Regards, Anthony --- On T

Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread cid830
Anthony, I see I already have your answer. Well, you are a crafty, evil ego maniac because your posts seem to suggest otherwise. Sincerely, Chris --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am one of the evil ego maniacs. >   > Regards, > Anthony > >

[Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread cid830
Anthony, You are an atheist who is an evil ego-maniac? Sincerely, Chris --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chris, >   > I am one of them. >   > Regards, > Anthony > > --- On Mon, 6/10/08, cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: cid830 <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Zen] Re: Blind buddhist

2008-10-07 Thread Jody W. Ianuzzi
Hello Mayka, Oh thank you but I am not really that couragous. Acceptance took a long time I am just me. JODY] "WE MUST BE THE CHANGE WE WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD" ~ Gandhi Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading

[Zen] Re: Blind buddhist

2008-10-07 Thread Mayka
Dear Jody; Thank you for your courage, acceptance and the teaching you give us here. Mayka --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Jody W. Ianuzzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Edgar and all, > > I have gotten several private emails asking me how I use the computer so I > thought I would ans

[Zen] Re: women & zen

2008-10-07 Thread Mayka
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "roloro1557" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> H. Lets start by saying that illusions about love and sex are some > of the most stubborn and difficult to detach from, and it may be > impossible for some people (age is a factor) because of hormones. I partially

[Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-07 Thread cid830
ROFLOL! ROFLOL! ROFLOL! Aug. I peed my pants! Chris --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To continue.. > > Charlie would leave the "retards" in the kitchen -with boiling water and knives- to watch tv. > > Jackson would punch-out anyone who dared as

[Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-07 Thread cid830
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chris just lets his dishes accumulate, and when unbearable moves to a new house.> Very good, Bill! You ARE half right! Chris Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have r

[Zen] Re: Come back to "Aging and Zen"

2008-10-07 Thread Mayka
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mayka, > Always live one's life so you are ready to leave at > a moment's notice with no attachments and everything left in order... > No packed suitcases > > Edgar Easy to say but not as easy to be accomplishe

[Zen] Re: Talkshoe

2008-10-07 Thread Dave
Jue Miao Jing Ming -> http://www.talkshoe.com Would be fun for this very active and diverse group. > > Is that one of those swingers groups? Post a picture of your wife Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Tal

[Zen] Talkshoe

2008-10-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Just learned about this web site... http://www.talkshoe.com Would be fun for this very active and diverse group. What do you think? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: [Zen] Come back to "Aging and Zen"

2008-10-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Hi Anthony, I understand that Tibetans believe that Bardo occurs after death, but I think it's an nde instead since I don't believe in 'after death'. As I implied in my previous post nde's don't prove consciousness persists after death, only that the consciousness (the brain) takes a whil

Re: [Zen] Re: women & zen

2008-10-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Margie, All good stuff. We discuss things like this routinely on the Evolutionary Psychology group where that would be pretty tame compared to some of the topics. Though there are a few benighted souls there as well that can't seem to see through the most basic veils of illusion. Edgar

[Zen] Re: -----<---@

2008-10-07 Thread siminotes
so, you are looking for a Master, without success? > I could go on and on about them, but I won't. > > ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit you

RE: [Zen] Re: -----<---@

2008-10-07 Thread BillSmart
AIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: -<---@ Bill, I did not realize you are in Thailand! How do you reconcile with Theravada there? Regards, Anthony __ NOD32 3500 (20081007) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --

Re: [Zen] Re: -----<---@

2008-10-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill and Anthony, Sounds good on paper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theravada Edgar On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:59 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anthony, I don't reconcile with Theravada. I interact with the local wats (temples) and the monks all the time. It's just an

RE: [Zen] Re: -----<---@

2008-10-07 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, I don't reconcile with Theravada. I interact with the local wats (temples) and the monks all the time. It's just another religious rip-off as far as I'm concerned. I've yet to meet any senior monks or temple heads that even seemed like good people, much less good representatives of

RE: [Zen] oops - forgot blog

2008-10-07 Thread BillSmart
Margie, Thanks for the explanation. I can understand why someone would like to provide translations, but I think basing those on IP addresses has not been well thought-out. This is based on the erroneous assumption that, although IP addresses can be geographically mapped (unfortunately), that pe

Re: [Zen] Re: -----<---@

2008-10-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Well, I see nothing wrong with directing one's life in the plane of illusion, after all that is precisely what doing zazen and all the other techniques of the path are. So to engineer one's worldly life to a supportive minimum seems ideal to me. I would agree with you though that my