Yes, how true. Scientifically, we evoke stress whenever our decision making
processes are in play.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN varam...@gmail.comwrote:
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Thinking of future and future problems might create anxiety and stress.
However, that is not when the
Dictatorship or Chaos. Take your pick.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
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Merle,
I mean liberty and security in a society are usually related in an inverse
proportion. The more liberty you have the less security; and the more
security you have the less
who said god was a preconceived idea? merle
Totally fair to say. How can anyone 'free' his mind if he hangs onto
preconceived ideas?
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Larry,
I think it's fair to say that Buddhism respects the gods people may choose
good one..merle
I hate to quote the master but the Buddha said 'since there is no way to prove
the existence of God or nor disprove, believe whatever makes it easier for
you.'... What good does it do for a rock to call another rock 'hard?'
L
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:53 PM,
harmony and balance is the key..merle
Dictatorship or Chaos. Take your pick.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Merle,
I mean liberty and security in a society are usually related in an inverse
proportion. The more liberty you have the less
creator sky god..what planet are you coming from??? merle
Merle,
Maybe you could explain how having a belief in an imaginary creator sky-god and
painting imaginary legs on an imaginary snake is fun. Call me strange, but I
considered it for about 3 seconds and the fun just wasn't
And the law of jungle was in full force I.E. no fat people and few old.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.comwrote:
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harmony and balance is the key..merle
Dictatorship or Chaos. Take your pick.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Bill!
Not saying God is precon-ed or not precon-ed to any human being; but but
but a lot of us are products of our culture, read and accepted beliefs, and
probably some hard-wired DNA. Those combinations lead to ideas, icons,
slogans etc. All those are blockages to God if you truly want to find him.
I
Merle,br/br/what planet are you coming from??br/br/The one that
took billions of years to form naturally and needs no supernatural
explanation.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/If you have no concrete, empirical evidence of a creator god
then it's all just preconceived and presupposed. In other words - made
up.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
good idea... it's nature doing what nature does best...merle
And the law of jungle was in full force I.E. no fat people and few old.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote:
harmony and balance is the key..merle
Dictatorship or Chaos. Take
and pray larry what doeth thee think it is..this spirituality...merle
Not saying God is precon-ed or not precon-ed to any human being; but but but a
lot of us are products of our culture, read and accepted beliefs, and probably
some hard-wired DNA. Those combinations lead to ideas,
mike ... right..so.. first commandment..let there be no gods!
let's us pray though the sun god rises for you to morrow morning
your breakfast catch of the day is ready and a waiting for you to makes sure
you do not starve to death
well balanced is the human who believes in no false
mike..
your not following my thread..
either you are playing hide and seek or you just plain don't get it...
but that's ok..
we all have our difference of perception..
dats whata makes ze world so zingy pingy..merle
Merle,
what planet are you coming from??
The one that took
mike
not all is as it appears...merle
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/non-sequitur-slideshow/
On 8/27/2013 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote:
Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the thought world
of past and future.
The thought world can only exist now.
Thoughts, arising and passing, now.
Thought, is an aspect of now.
Another word for what you are describing as the
Merle,br/br/Ironically, that's another non-sequitur disguised as a sequitur
using the title 'Non-Sequitur'!br/br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Freeing the mind is a myth.
What cannot be found, cannot be bound.
The imagined mind, imagines itself otherwise.
KG
On 8/27/2013 1:53 AM, larry maher wrote:
Totally fair to say. How can anyone 'free' his mind if he hangs onto
preconceived ideas?
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM,
The ego tends to equate having with Being:
I have, therefore I am.
And the more I have, the more I am.
The ego lives through comparison.
How you are seen by others turns into how you see yourself.
If everyone lived in a mansion or everyone was wealthy, your mansion
or your wealth would no
IDENTIFICATION WITH THE BODY
Apart from objects, another basic form of identification is with “my” body.
Firstly, the body is male or female, and so the sense of being a man
or woman takes up a significant part of most people's sense of self.
Gender becomes identity.
Identification with gender
Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and future. As
far as I can tell there are no thoughts of the present. There is only
experience in the present, and experience preceeds thought.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually rolling
by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course, who knows?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
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Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and
All thoughts, afterthoughts.
All actions, reactions.
Seemly that, Seamless this.
The neural lag/disconnect are aspects of 'Maya', the dance or interplay
(Lila) therewith. In that sense, illusory. Like time.
Nothing escapes Indra's net, nothing caught by it. Only the ever-present
interweaving
More to the point, who thinks they need to? ;)
On 8/27/2013 3:30 PM, larry maher wrote:
The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually
rolling by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course,
who knows?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill!
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this stuff all
day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I fall 'victim' to this
world without even knowing it.The best I can do is to remember to remember.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
Falling 'victim' to this world may apear to be a trap, or a frenzied
game of in and out like 'Whack-aMole', or some twisted Fun House mirror
maze - but how else can this appear? ;)
Seeking to escape such appearances, to seek to only have personally
preferable experiences, is what Siddhartha
Really good stuff, thanks. I used 'victim' as a sort of a what? joke? quick
word? Anyway you sound really really adept in this shit. envy you? You must
lead a very happy, fulfilling life? Unfortunately for me I was born as far
away being an avatar as one motherf'' er can get. Brooklyn street kid
Joke, Cosmic or otherwise (which of course isn't), is as good a word
as any. The serious practitioner/religious types tend to take offense if
anyone suggests there is a punchline to 'enlightenment'.
Adept? Now that's funny. This shit is simply what it is, and never what
we think it is.
On 8/27/2013 8:08 PM, larry maher wrote:
You must lead a very happy, fulfilling life?
PS - Seriously, how f'ing boring would THAT be?
Like it or not, contrasts reveal highlights.
Only the darkness can carry the light, only the light can fill the
darkness..
KG
Andrew,
What this statement means to me is the the PERCEPTION (thoughts about) 'now'
(experience) might have the shelf-life of 3 seconds, but perceptions are not
experience.
All thoughts, IMO, are either memories (past) or projections (future), both of
which are delusions. Only experience is
Larry, We all fall victim to it. That's all part of being human.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this stuff all
day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I fall 'victim' to this
What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can
be found.
There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just aspects
of this. To call this eternally ever-presently unfolding experiencing
'the now' is preposterous. But then so is any way of saying this. ;)
Awakening, to perpetual free-fall...
KG
On 8/27/2013 9:20 PM, Bill! wrote:
Larry, We all fall victim to it. That's all part of being human.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com,
larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on.
Why read, interpret, and re-dictate this stuff if it's not making you
happy? Or would you rather be an erudite simply content with winning every
argument or, in this case, creating one where one isn't Jesus
Christ! Or is it Buddha! Or Vishnu? Lighten up dude, all victories are
Pyrrhic.
Kris,
I'm not drawing any maps. I'm just saying we are always HERE.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can
be found.
There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just
Bill!,br/br/There's nothing wrong with maps as long as they're not taken to
be the 'real' destination. Same as time (clocks) and spiritual paths (although,
of course, there is a danger in believing that a spiritual path leads to a
destination). These are good examples of Buddha's teaching that
Good stuff
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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Bill!,
There's nothing wrong with maps as long as they're not taken to be the
'real' destination. Same as time (clocks) and spiritual paths (although, of
course, there is a danger in believing that a spiritual
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