Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?
Love you too, you knucklehead. Cynth On Jun 26, 2008, at 2:56 AM, Al wrote: From: Cynth-Graphic Sorry. Too many materialists have spoiled that rather clichéd chant. Looking for something new that can't be used for greedy gain. That's all on you and how you use it. Your remarks are so un-Zen that you sound like some kind of air-head valley girl shopping at the mall.
Re: [Zen] Re: I think I like this chant instead
Could say something rude, but I don't want to go down that road again. Cynth On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Charlie wrote: Cynth-Graphic Significance Music http://www.buddhanet.net/filelib/mp3/19-chant-19.mp3 I like that. I am going to downoload and put them on a CDr for next year. The retarded kids will love those chants, and maybe I can get them to chant too. That would be a positive-positive.
[Zen] Any ideas what this means?
I was trying to remember a very old chant that I was given over twenty years ago, but the only thing that popped in my mind was this phrase: O ahm naya bendigo. I don't even know if it actually means anything or if it's just gibberish. What makes a chant authentic? Does it depend on where the source is or how it comes to us? Or is it all BS? Cynth Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?
No, not really. Cynth On Jun 25, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Al wrote: From: Cynth-Graphic Significance Music I was trying to remember a very old chant that I was given over twenty years ago, but the only thing that popped in my mind was this phrase: O ahm naya bendigo. If you are talking about the old hippie chant, Om Nom Myo Renge Kyu or something like that.
Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?
Sorry. Too many materialists have spoiled that rather clichéd chant. Looking for something new that can't be used for greedy gain. Cynth On Jun 25, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Al wrote: From: Cynth-Graphic No, not really. Sounds like something you would chant. It is a Buddhist chant by the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sqrtj9p7ZUeurl=http:// buddhistmusic.blogspot.com/2007/06/nam-myoho-renge-kyo.html here is another link: http://buddhistmusic.blogspot.com/2007/06/nam-myoho-renge-kyo.html NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO
Re: [Zen] Re: Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings
Charlie, It is that very attitude that is wrong. Warehousing kids based on their perceived mental faculties is harmful in the end to these children. What you describe is better classified as office politics rather than an actual educational goal. They don't deserve to be teachers if they truly believe what you say they do. Cynth Charlie wrote: Cynth wrote: What bothers me the most is the attitude that somehow those who have developmental disabilities are considered as less than human I used to feel the same as you do, but I work in the public school system, and the Union Steward told us that there are certain classes where less is expected, and we are not to stand out because it makes the other teachers look bad. Physical Education, Special Ed, and the Arts and Crafts classes are basically classes where a lot of subbbing happens because most of the time the teachers that get assigned to those classes are there due to substance abuse issues. They take a lot of time off and that gives other teachers a chance to make extra money. However, if you hot-dog it, then you might get assigned the class permanently and that ruins if for everyone else. We make good money on Overtime, and nobody wants to rock the boat. I used to feel sorry for the poor kids, but now I realize that the less educated they are, the more funds that they qualify for from the social workers that help the parents. So it is a Win-Win situation. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings
Then you are not earning your pay. You are leeching off of the system just like everyone else where you work. I feel sorry for the kids under your care, cause they are stuck with people who don't give a f**k about them. Cynth Charlie wrote: At the High School where I teach, I often have to substitute in during my lunch hour for the Special Education class. It is not easy, as those kids are very sad and child-like even though they are teenagers. However, I can always use the extra money that I get paid for subbing for other teachers so I am willing to do it. Some of those retarded kids look so innocent that it makes me sad to think about them. Usually I leave the kids alone and go to the Teacher's Lounge and watch TVLand since Bonanza is only on for one hour now. Anyhow, there I was yesterday wondering if the kids counted as sentient beings. I have always imagined that they did have souls, but now that I see how simple they are I wonder if they do. I am tending to think that they don't. Then I will not feel bad when I leave them alone. I am not the only teacher that does that. As long as they don't attack each other, nobody finds out and it is like getting paid for free time. Do I have an obligation to try to teach them anything? I don't think anyone really tries. I am not the only one that sees them as just a way to make a few extra bucks. What is my obligation to these kids? Do I have any? As you can guess, I am at the computer at the Teacher's Lounge right now, and I have the TV on too. I am not the only one here. It is like skipping class, except we are the teachers! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Are Retarded Kids Sentient Beings
I am offended by the term being bandied about carelessly on this thread. Not so much because I'm Politically Correct (usually, I am not), but when I was in first grade my teacher and the school principal tried to coax my paternal grandmother (who was my legal guardian) to put me into a hospital for the retarded even though I was only having to deal with what is now commonly referred to as a math-related learning disability. I read several grade levels above my peers, but I was stymied by mathematics since, truth be told, my first year of school WAS first grade. What bothers me the most is the attitude that somehow those who have developmental disabilities are considered as less than human (as is advocated by eugenicists) and therefore it's okay to do whatever you like to them. I am convinced that the majority of children who are sexually abused are developmentally disabled because they are considered as fair game by those who think of them as lesser beings, which they most certainly are not. I would go so far to say that they can teach us a lot about living in the moment, which to my understanding is a key attribute of Zen. So they are very much sentient beings, thank you very much. Not only that, but they are the essence of what we wish we could find in our overcomplicated minds, but which has eluded us for too long. Cynth cid830 wrote: I am in no position to proclaim Sentient Beings. But I do worry for the safety of these children while they are unsupervised. Not to mention the morality of taking money and abdicating your responsiblity. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] D.L. Again
Aw, shush. I'm sick of you bugging me. Cynth Al wrote: Cynth Seriously, though, I was trying to give him the brush-off and he would not stop bugging me. I did not want to play the I'm a mom card, but that was about all I was left to do. Where's the punch-line? Is that when you post your photo? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
If I wanted to give a guy a mercy f*ck, I wouldn't be divorcing my husband. You've been pwned. Cynth Frazier wrote: Cynth ... wrote: And how many girls slapped you in the face or told you to drop dead before you found one who fell for that? Just wondering. In the spirit of helping sentient beings you would not give it up for a mercy f*ck?? Help out a kind soul who needs a helping hand?? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
As long as it's not a naked lunch. Seriously, though, I don't think it would work. I live on the West Coast (not saying exactly where), and long-range travel plans are not in the works for me anyway. Besides, I pretty much have to drag my kid around, so you're going to have to deal with that as well. We're going to have to stop meeting like this. ;) Cynth Al wrote: From: Cynth I'm still not giving it up for a pity story. Nice try. Can we at least meet for lunch? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
Kissing is one thing. F*cking is something else. Cynth Al wrote: From: Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:poetwarrior62%40sbcglobal.net If I wanted to give a guy a mercy f*ck, I wouldn't be divorcing my husband. Where's the love? You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find the right prince... Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
And how many girls slapped you in the face or told you to drop dead before you found one who fell for that? Just wondering. Cynth Frazier wrote: Jue Miao Jing Ming - I was trying to witness first in order to convince myself to commit to the practice. Now I realized that it does not work in that order. I remember when I was a virgin and I would tell the girls when I went out on dates I will be the greatest lover you ever had if you are willing to let me learn. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Ash Wednesday
W'hever. Al wrote: From: Cynth Chinese Army would have him assassinated and they'd choose his replacement to control the people of Tibet. They chose his replacement anyway. Lama is the leader of a government in exile, which is a lot like being the gal standing outside your former employment, picketing after you have been fired. The bottom line is that if the Dalai Lama were to walk the walk, he would be in Tibet. Whether he would be a martyr or not? Odds are that he would be imprisoned. Nelson Mandela spent 24 years in prison for what he believed. Jesus Christ gave up his life for what he believed. So did Ghandhi and a whole laundry list of religious figures throughout history. The pages of history are colored with the blood of martyrs. Dolly Lama is certainly not one of them. He prefers paid speaking engagements to martyrdom. Dolly sits in his mansion sipping mint julips while anonymous monks get martyred on his behalf. A real hero. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Dalai Lama vs. Rambo: Who is better
I wrote my words with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. Please don't take it as serious discourse. I merely wished to lift things a bit rather than struggle in the mire with an utter lack of humor. Cynth Stanimir wrote: Dalai Lama vs. Rambo? The answer of this question can be seen in our near past. Gandhi and Martin Louter King choose the peace and they win. The communists all around the world choose the violence and they lose. You cant heal the suffer of some peoples bringing more suffer to other peoples. This is not the right way to do that. Peace Stanimir - Original Message From: Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 8 February, 2008 9:20:21 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Dalai Lama vs. Rambo: Who is better I think that even if Rambo killed the Dalai Lama, his disembodied spirit would just reincarnate to the next personification. Therefore, even if Rambo won, he'd still lose in the long run. Cynth Charlie wrote: In dealing with the current issues regarding religious freedom, I have to recall my recent visit to the cineplex where I took the kids from my class to see Rambo 4. Rambo deals with religious freedom in his new movie, and he deals with the Chinese Government too. Does he get better results than the Dalai Lama? What is better? Peaceful change or violent revolution? Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51947/*http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Ash Wednesday
I think you have him confused with Osho. If the Dalai Lama did not get sent around the world and instead went back to Tibet, the Chinese Army would have him assassinated and they'd choose his replacement to control the people of Tibet. Cynth Al wrote: From: Bill Smart I wish the Dalai Lama well in all of his endeavors, but in the political case in Tibet, to me, he's just another ethnic nationalist. The Dolly Lame-O has gotten thousands of people killed while he sips mint julips in Europe and drives around in a limousine and lives in a mansion. I certainly respect that he has taken the path which he believes is the best for his people, but the bottom line is that he has lived a life of great luxury while instigating others via long-distance and getting many of his followers killed for a cause that he certainly is not willing to die for. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Wealth Ministry
Actually, the Senate Finance Committee has been looking into these Televangelists' lavish lifestyles. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/06/cbsnews_investigates/main3456977.shtml?source=mostpop_story What these so-called preachers affirm is called The Prosperity Gospel which is considered a heresy among most mainstream (and even a good number of Fundamental) Christians. My favorite religious satire publication/website is The Wittenburg Door http://www.wittenburgdoor.com where they regularly skewer these theological hucksters as the next generation of Elmer Gantrys (a cultural reference to a novel/movie critical of itinerant evangelists who manipulate the masses to enrich themselves). Most notable is their collection of Kenneth Copeland clips, the titles of which are satiric in nature. http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/copelandclips Oh, this is not at all lost on the Christian community. We've know about these scam artists ever since the very first episode of the PTL Club and the initial broadcast of the Trinity Broadcasting Network. They've been sucking cash out of gullible seniors for decades now, and they are all going to be exposed. Cynth Stanimir wrote: If this is even close to the Christianity you can call me Eskimo. To these gentlemen i will remind them this words: Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal but store up for yourselves treasures in heaven where neither moth nor rust destroy and where thieves do not break in or steal for where your treasure is there your heart will be also Matthew 6:19-21 I think that we lost enough time with this issue. I have more important things to do Peace: Stanimir - Original Message From: Jackson Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 4 February, 2008 4:25:30 PM Subject: [Zen] Wealth Ministry I was watching a TV show which interviewed a few of those modern christian wealth ministers and it was disgusting. Their unabashed philosophy is that God/Jesus wants them to be wealthy because it is a blessing from God. So they tell their followers to send them money and then they openly flaunt their mansions and limousines as evidence that God loves them. This is really sick, and I think that the government should audit and tax these frauds. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zazen Menstruation
What is the practice of zazen when encountering puns? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, for the love of ... --- Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:fitness63%40bellsouth.net wrote: How does menstruation affect your zazen practice? Do hormonal fluctuations affect satori? Does a zen master who is having her period reach higher or lower levels? Does she become One with The Flow? __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Osho Zen Tarot
I have found these cards quite useful in my meditations. They focus on the precepts of Zen Buddhism, and are a tool and an aid in meditation for those of us not so well-versed in the ways of Zen. Has anyone else had any experience with this tool? It would be interesting to get other perspectives on this deck. Peace, Cynth Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
