Merle,
And yet more questions...As usual my responses are embedded below:
 are we not god's handiwork?
No, we are not all god's handiwork because there is no god.
...then god is not separate... god runs in your veins and is part and parcel
of who you are...as you say buddha nature..
If
Merle,
That's correct.
But someone who is *NOT* a follower of the Buddha (i.e., NOT a Buddhist) who
believes in a soul may still practice Zen, and Zen methods.
Effective Zen practice may result in awakening, and in a concomitant
dissolution of belief in a soul, but we can't say in advance,
Merle,
Thank you.
I say what is needed. I back up what I say. I don't hold back much that I
think and know. It's for others to react as they will.
I have no belief in prim, or proper; I speak from experience and common
sense. Others will do as they will, and I remain grateful that we are
Suresh,
It's a good book! I've loved it since 1973, when I practiced in New York with
the Sufis and a PhD Astronomer there turned me on to the book.
I look at your quoted lines now, after many years of Zen practice, and say,
Aphorisms!. ...as I said about others of your posts containing just
Suresh,
I suspect that, in all such reported cases, it is due to some trauma in the
extreme medical situations undergone. It probably also involves some effects
due to the anesthetic drugs in use at the time.
I think our own practice or sadhana is more useful in informing us of what is
Merle,
quoting:
question:...what is the difference between zen and atheism?
Atheism does not exist; Zen does.
quoting:
is enlightenment merely an illusion? or perhaps even a delusion?
Not to those who have experienced it. But they must continue to practice in
order to remain awake, and for
Merle,
If Cause and Effect does not work in the human field, then all companies who
buy Advertizing are wasting their money.
(just open your eyes a ltle wider, Cousin!)
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
...cause and effect..does not work in the human field... might do in
Donald, JMJM,
It's not helpful to say that we need to be in synch with the energy of the
universe.
That is a RESULT of practice, not a prerequisite.
It's helpful to say that we need to practice, in order to restore ourselves to
an original inheritance of living in a condition in which Wisdom
joe..question : how do you absolutely... for sure know you reached the
pinnacle of awakening?
you might have reached a certain point..however need to go further and deeper
and longer...
merle
Merle,
quoting:
question:...what is the difference between zen and atheism?
Atheism does
can i say simple simon as i am
it's the original consciousness before we were f over ...
the garden of eden before the black snake arrived on the scene
merle
Donald, JMJM,
It's not helpful to say that we need to be in synch with the energy of the
universe.
That is a RESULT of
joe..well well well..no soul ... is it too frightening to contemplate?..merle
Merle,
That's correct.
But someone who is *NOT* a follower of the Buddha (i.e., NOT a Buddhist) who
believes in a soul may still practice Zen, and Zen methods.
Effective Zen practice may result in awakening,
bill
i see..so you are in the here and now and that is that...?..merle
Merle,
I don't comment a lot of Suresh's post because they don't interest me. He
comments from some religious perspective - possible Hindu but I really don't
know. Anyway I don't have the time or inclination to
i see,,so the bottom line that if you believe in soul you ain't a true blue
zen buddhist? merle
Merle,
In Hinduism, there is something like a belief in it. In Buddhism, no; and in
Zen Buddhism, no.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
how come suresh does not get the third
joe..you sounded like you were lecturing..very prim and proper and oh so i am
right and you are wrong song...merle
Merle,
Lecture, no. I'm speaking for myself, and saying why. Also saying why Amazon
Shamans' ways need not be ours, and cannot be. And saying that consciousness
is one
it's simply ying and yang...night/ day...
as for karma.. good question..good things happen to bad people and bad
things happen to good people
where's the karma rama drama in that?
merle
Mike,
Let's set aside a discussion of what you call simple cause and effect for
now, and
Central Thailand has been in the high 30's and even low 40's (Centigrade) at
the hottest part of the day for the past couple weeks or so.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 5 degrees at 5:am here in my neck of the woods..merle
Â
Bill!,br/br/Wow, catch you on a bad day or something??br/br/br/First
you say Karma isn't some cosmic law-giver dispensing justice based on good or
bad acts I wholeheartedly agree with that...br/br/I'm still stunned (yet
impressed) that you didn't just call it 'illusory'! br/br/BUT then you say
Merle,br/br/If you read my response to Bill! then the meaning of karma
should be clearer. But just in case you haven't I'll briefly explain.
Practicing good thoughts/deeds doesn't mean that 'bad' (external) things won't
happen to you. You have no control over another's actions against you
Mike,
You didn't 'catch me on a bad day' but you did read a little more into my post
than I actually wrote there. Edgar does this a lot.
I agreed with your statement: Karma isn't some cosmic law-giver dispensing
justice based on good or bad acts. That doesn't mean I think 'karma' exists
at
Mike and Bill,
Mike, Bill is totally hopeless here. He has somehow got into his head that
there is no cause and effect and argues that on the basis of cause and effect
while living his life, like everyone else does, on the basis of cause and
effect.
It would be a potentially dangerous
Suresh,
What is The Book of Mirdad? ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
=
The Book of Mirdad Quotes
Often you shall think your road impassable, sombre and
companionless. Have will and plod
Oh yeah, and I forgot - so is reincarnation...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar, et al...
The only thing I'd agree with in Edgar's post below is that karma is indeed a
core Buddhist teaching.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen
Bill!,br/br/I'd love to leave it at that, but I have to correct you on your
mis-understanding of karma in case other readers think this is what karma is. I
think the problem lies in the many forms Buddhism is practiced. As you know,
there really isn't such a thing as a universal form of
Bill,
Karma and reincarnation are beliefs of the religious supernatural peripheral
manifestations of Buddhism. They are not core teachings...
Buddha himself clearly stated that all compound entities must cease which of
course rules out reincarnation since humans are compound entities.
The
Bill,
Yes, just continue to change the subject and avoid the issue and you won't ever
have to learn anything... It's the easy way out
Your core (incorrect) belief system will be protected and your ego will remain
intact.
God forbid that it should suddenly shatter with realization!
:-)
Edgar,br/br/I wouldn't even go that far regarding reincarnation. Lets not
forget that rebirth was axiomatic in Buddha's time and wasn't even a belief.
Buddha just taught that a cause will always have an effect and this doesn't
stop at the death of the body - previous causes will eventually play
Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the S word
Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:31:05 AM
Bill,
Karma and reincarnation are beliefs of the religious supernatural peripheral
manifestations of Buddhism
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*Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the S word
*Sent: * Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:31:05 AM
Bill,
Karma and reincarnation are beliefs of the religious supernatural
peripheral manifestations of Buddhism
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*Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the S word
*Sent: * Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:31:05 AM
Bill,
Karma and reincarnation are beliefs of the religious supernatural
peripheral manifestations of Buddhism. They are not core teachings...
Buddha himself clearly stated that all
: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the S word
Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:31:05 AM
Bill,
Karma and reincarnation are beliefs of the religious supernatural
peripheral manifestations of Buddhism. They are not core teachings
Mike,
Thanks for your clarification below with which I agree.
It does however bring up a good point about Buddhism or any other religion for
that matter: just what is the religion? Is it what you or I interpret from
'Holy Scriptures' associated with the religion, or is it how the majority of
Edgar,
See my recent prior post where I discuss just what can be considered the core
beliefs of any religions - your (or some others') interpretation of what their
'Holy' books say, or the way it is understood and practiced it's members.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen
Edgar,
I don't see why you think I changed the subject.
The actual subject of this thread was the SOUL. If you notice the thread's
subject you'll discover that's what the S stand for.
I didn't change the subject. I posted a comment which basically stated I
didn't believe there was such a
Suresh,
I would describe your and the female you mentioned experience of seeing one's
own body separate from the body as an hallucination, and certainly nothing
important vis-a-vis zen - other than it may have created just another
attachment you're going to have to let go of some day.
*From: * Edgar Owen edgarowen@...;
*To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
*Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the S word
*Sent: * Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:31:05 AM
Bill,
Karma and reincarnation are beliefs of the religious supernatural
Merle,
Good question...
The terms 'zen' and 'atheism' are not the same classes of things.
My current working definition of 'zen' (not Zen Buddhism) is: Zen is a human
practice that assists in balancing the interplay between Human Nature and
Buddha Nature. It does so by employing a variety
Bill!,br/br/I think we're largely in agreement with most of the issues
covered in your post, but the one you raised about killing rabbits might be
worth taking a look at. First of all, we can't predict what kind of karma
another person's actions will receive. Karma can only apply to ourselves.
Bill!,br/br/I was trying to point out what might be causing (!) your
confusion regarding cause and effect - my view of karma hasn't changed in the
least. The cause and effect taught by the Buddha is similar in principle to the
modern scientific view, but does go beyond a simple, mechanistic
Mike,
I agree with you that all politics is local and you shouldn't engage in
speculation about other's motives, but that and some other things you said
bring up more problematic issues surrounding 'karma' - at least problematic for
me.
What you've now done is introduced 'motive' or
Mike,
I'm also very well aware of Hume's writings on causation.
I'll take away from your post below your thought, Karma is also not
fatalistic, so can be changed if we begin practicing more wholesome
thoughts/actions. This of course makes it different from the mechanistic view
of causality.
JM,
Yes? Go on.
--Joe
覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
This inner divine, in Buddhist terms, is called Buddha nature.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups
Hi Joe,
Well since you asked me to go on... (Thank you)
Therefore Buddha nature is not a just mental condition, or a flashy
phenomenon. It needs to be a consistent state of being. And once it is
in charge, it involves our entire being, physical, mental and
spiritual. All three parts will
beautifully put JM blessings...merle
Hi Joe,
Well since you asked me to go on... (Thank you)
Therefore Buddha nature is not a just mental condition, or a flashy
phenomenon. It needs to be a consistent state of being. And once
it is in charge, it involves our entire being,
JMJM,
I did not so much like but at least accepted your first post where you said
This inner divine, in Buddhist terms, is called Buddha nature. I can
appreciate your attempt at associating Chan terms to terms more familiar to Zen
Buddhists. But I think you've gone a bit too far now.
In
Merle,
I don't comment a lot of Suresh's post because they don't interest me. He
comments from some religious perspective - possible Hindu but I really don't
know. Anyway I don't have the time or inclination to respond to them.
But you are correct that 'soul' is not a term used in Buddhism
ah!..i see bill...you are wise..merle
JMJM,
I did not so much like but at least accepted your first post where you said
This inner divine, in Buddhist terms, is called Buddha nature. I can
appreciate your attempt at associating Chan terms to terms more familiar to Zen
Buddhists. But I
Bill!,br/br/You don't have to believe in karma: you can see its effects
everywhere. Karma isn't some cosmic law-giver dispensing justice based on good
or bad acts. It's just simple cause and effect. If you think and/or do
unwholesome deeds, then suffering will follow you like night follows day
Merle,
In Hinduism, there is something like a belief in it. In Buddhism, no; and in
Zen Buddhism, no.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
how come suresh does not get the third degree and blasted when he mentions
the S word..soul? all hell was raised when i gave soul a rant
Merle,
Lecture, no. I'm speaking for myself, and saying why. Also saying why Amazon
Shamans' ways need not be ours, and cannot be. And saying that consciousness
is one thing, and drugs are another. And, not to equate them.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe...there is such
Mike,
Let's set aside a discussion of what you call simple cause and effect for
now, and instead focus on your post below.
First you say Karma isn't some cosmic law-giver dispensing justice based on
good or bad acts I wholeheartedly agree with that...BUT then you say If you
think and/or do
Hi, Bill!,
Good to catch you. Well, it was my post you replied to about Chi, not JMJM's.
Maybe you know this, but you wrote JMJM.
Sometime, if you like, I will tell you my experience of Chi, over the years. I
began early as a Yogi, before I can to Ch'an and Zen, and have always done
Joe,
I did misaddress my last post to JMJM when I meant you.
It must have been due to a momentary disturbance in the Force ;)
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Hi, Bill!,
Good to catch you. Well, it was my post you replied to about Chi, not
Bill!,
If you say so. ;-)
But all's quiet here, on the Western front. And only 102 deg max. today (39 C).
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
It must have been due to a momentary disturbance in the Force ;)
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that
Dear Joe and all,
This article “New science is shedding light on what really happens
during out-of-body experiences” seems received a lot of responses from
our members.
After posting it on 25th, I went on tour in Interior Tamilnadu. Me and
my wife’s first aim was to visit “Chtura Giri”, a hill
Suresh,
The Bodhisattva makes vows to remain visible permanently, to help others, and
to allow Compassion to be expressed. In the awakened person, the expression
and function of Compassion are informed and initiated by Wisdom. I'd say that
this is the Mahayana Buddhist understanding, and
I had both a Technic Mk 2 and a CDJ turntable when I was in Japan and the sound
produced from the Technics crapped all over the CDJ.
Timbre!!!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Mike,
Good, no imaginings. Our Zen sesshin and Ch'an retreats are pretty severe. No
nothing of *anything* allowed. Except to be there in spades. ;-)
That is the
True story. ;-)
Sheng Yen's outfit her in the States regularly does 10-day sits at the retreat
center upstate in New York, at
Bill!,
I'm 'way over here, and of no account, but I'd say the same.
Not because I've been indoctrinated to say so, but because I have or had to say
so after being un-indoctrinated.
Good to be Here,
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Mike,
Zen doesn't really give a shit about all the
Bill!, et everybody else,
I have my DOUBTS; but my definite HOPES:
Ps andQs: hey, pls. come out of the Woodwork, all of you's (you all).
You're needed; If you don't think so: well; resign from this Group instantly.
Now. Do not bother to hesitate.
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Fantastic, Merle!
Well, of COURSE it plays. Nothing could be more natural.
I always regretted digital CDs coming out in 1981 because I was sure a
linearly-tracked 33 1/3 RPM turntable with Laser Stereo pickup would be on the
market soon. In fact, it was, but it was squelched by CD. Oh,
Merle,
There are many scientists.
And many others who would appeal to scientists. And other ordinary citiZens.
No comments on this fellow!
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
for the scientists amongst you...merle
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/craig-venter-designing-life/
joe...
i still have my turntable from the late 60's..
and plenty of u beaut records from that era...as they say collectors records...
those wild wild flower power hippy days when popular music was just so so so
fabulous and so so so creative...
how lucky were we to experience that time!
and
Merle,
Belt-drive, or direct-(Induction)-drive turntable ?
If belt-drive, get a new belt ASAP, while still available. And put it on. ;-)
Probably 30 years too late! But, give a try to find one... . ;-)
Search on the web by Make and Model Number of the turntable, for the proper
belt.
The
Joe,
I'm an analog-kind-of-guy too!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Fantastic, Merle!
Well, of COURSE it plays. Nothing could be more natural.
I always regretted digital CDs coming out in 1981 because I was sure a
linearly-tracked 33 1/3
Bill!,
Lemmee shake your five digit hand! ;-)
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Joe,
I'm an analog-kind-of-guy too!
...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups
Edgar,
Thanks for posting this.
As you know I've struggled for sometime about just what term to express what I
call 'illusions' - thoughts, logic, forms, etc... I rejected 'delusions' and
'hallucinations' because they do carry with them a sense of falseness or mental
disorder. I've thought
may i butt in:...
folk have preconceived ideas about most things by the time they can speak as
babies...
as adults they are filled to the brim in their minds with preconceived
ideas...programmed up so to speak...
to see the truth...one must take off the blindfold and see with a fresh eye
Merle,
Of course you can 'butt in'!
That's what an open forum is for; but when we do that in the forum we call it
'spontaneously participating in the discussion'...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 may i butt in:...Â
folk have preconceived
scary..as sometimes one feels the communication is between individuals...this
then is an illusion?..merle
Merle,
Of course you can 'butt in'!
That's what an open forum is for; but when we do that in the forum we call it
'spontaneously participating in the discussion'...Bill!
--- In
Merle,
If you think the communication on the Forum is just between two or three or
four individuals - YES! - that's a big illusion.
I don't know for sure but I'd guess there are at least 20, and probably 50, and
maybe 100 people that regularly read our posts but never (or very rarely) post
bill..
why would they read them and not contribute?..
no fire in their belly?
what's the point of a forum if you are not going to speak...as in ancient
greece..at the forum ... was it called a forum?
yes speak up they did in ancient rome...
my favourite quote being et tu
Merle,
Most join our forum to learn about zen. It is only a few that join who have
actually participated in some kind of formal zen training.
The ones who don't post are here to learn and do sometimes post now and then if
they have some questions or comments. I would like to see them
ok ...thanks..merle
Merle,
Most join our forum to learn about zen. It is only a few that join who have
actually participated in some kind of formal zen training.
The ones who don't post are here to learn and do sometimes post now and then if
they have some questions or comments. I
joe..as the saying goes..well here in australia... at the end of the
day...something did resonate!...merle
Merle,
Ow.
I'm sorry; call me a little-fellow. What resonates with me is your
subject-line, or thread-title.
Goulash does it for me!
There was a restaurant -- Edgar must know it
Edgar,
Dunno if I knew Neil. Sorry, don't think so. Maybe if you were to describe
him.
How about Fred (Cantor)? Physicist. A massive figure on Morningside Heights.
Big as a bear, with a red beard. He was Bob Novick's PhD student in
Astrophysics; Fred worked on focusing mirrors for x-ray
Edgar,
Further on Morningside Heights famous deniZens...
...did you know Paul Auster when he worked at Salter's Books, on Broadway? He
was a friend, as he was to so many who met him at the store. He sold me many
of my textbooks, and supplementary readings for my Columbia courses. This was
good to see the sentimental goulash brought back such fond memories. for you
all...merle
Edgar,
Further on Morningside Heights famous deniZens...
...did you know Paul Auster when he worked at Salter's Books, on Broadway? He
was a friend, as he was to so many who met him at the store.
Been in Salter's many times and sure I've spoken to him but didn't know him by
name...
On May 27, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Further on Morningside Heights famous deniZens...
...did you know Paul Auster when he worked at Salter's Books, on Broadway? He
was a friend, as he was
Hi Siska,br/br/I said that half in jest because in Zen you sometimes hear
disparaging remarks about Buddha the sutras. As you know, in Vipassana and
Therevada the processes of the mind (in relation to consciousness, perception,
sensation, feeling, emotion and action) are broken down and
Joe,br/br/Yes, the Goenka tradition prefers the 'scanning' method over
'noting'. The reason given is that Buddha taught that reality is experienced in
the body. For this reason Vipassana meditation doesn't use any internal
verbalisation at all (counting the breath etc). This is because internal
Joe,br/br/I included an URL for an interesting conversation with Goenkaji,
but you may have missed it. It's:
br/br/archive.thebuddhadharma.com/issues/2003/.../goenka_pure_attention.htmlbr/br/The
homepage for the retreats etc. is dharma.org You can also see some pictures
of the place where
Mike,
Thank you! I'd missed it earlier, or failed to follow up. More interested
now. Appreciate your help!. Thanks,
best,
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Joe, I included an URL for an interesting conversation with Goenkaji, but you
may have missed it. It's:
Joe,br/br/No worries! I'd be interested in your feedback. I think you'd
really enjoy a 10-day retreat. There's Noble Silence for the whole duration
(including no books, radios, phones etc, not even gesturing). There are
voluntary helpers on the retreats so there's nothing to do other than eat
Joe,
Edgar and I let this one pass. Edgar thinks it has something to do with
compassion. I don't.
I let it pass because Tim has been a member since 2009 and doesn't post things
like this often.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Bill and I
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question siska... do your parents practise meditation? merle
Hi Mike,
It's been s long since anyone talked to me with all these terms :)
After a while, the seeing as seeing
, is no longer there? ;-)
Siska
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Hi Siska,br/br/The good thing about
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Hi Siska,
The good thing about Vipassana is that it's ok to talk about it!
Yes, I know exactly what you mean about having no knowledge in those
moments of mindfulness. It's the same as what I was saying
Thanks Bill, very clear explanation...
Siska
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Siska,
I
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Hi Siska,
The good thing about Vipassana is that it's ok to talk about it!
Yes, I know exactly what you mean
consciousness, is no
longer there? ;-)
Siska
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Merle and Edgar,
What does 'Evo' stand for? 'Evolution' or 'Evolutionary'?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
whatever edgar,,we know where you stand from evo pyscho.
there are women in that group who see through you as well...
you rant
The Evolutionary psychology group we are on...
Edgar
On May 26, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Bill! wrote:
Merle and Edgar,
What does 'Evo' stand for? 'Evolution' or 'Evolutionary'?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
whatever edgar,,we know
10:25:41
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zuli Agrees With Bill!
Hi Siska,
The good thing about Vipassana is that it's ok to talk about it!
Yes, I know exactly what you mean about having
Edgar and Merle,
What is the Evolutionary Psychology group about? It is about the evolution of
psychology or the psychology of evolution?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
The Evolutionary psychology group we are on...
Edgar
On May 26, 2013,
there? ;-)
Siska
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Hi
Merle,
Apropos of nothing, you now remind me of a method that a Ch'an master put to
his students. He suggested they practice like this:
Put yourself in a condition as if you had just been shocked. Maintain this
condition.
It's a pretty high-energy method, and soon (immediately...) arouses
Bill,
Pretty much all of human behavior, hopefully informed by an evolutionary
perspective...
Nothing you'd be interested in. Since everything exists in YOUR mind you just
make up evolution and world history over breakfast - served by your lovely wife
who is also just an illusion in your
there? ;-)
Siska
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Hi Siska,
The good thing about Vipassana is that it's ok to talk about it!
Yes, I know exactly what you mean about having no knowledge in
those moments
Mike,
Good that it's OK to talk about it. ;-) This gives me an opening!
Mike, I've heard that the noting method can be the more beneficial to learn
and practice as a method because it can be applied anywhere, on or off the
cushion.
And, I hear that the body scanning method can leave you
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