Re: [Zen] SPRING Zen Retreat

2008-02-18 Thread mike brown
Hi Al, I remember those heady days when Fudo and Genryu were `patrolling` this forum and I learnt a lot from them too. In fact, it was partly thru` Fudo`s contribution that I went to Japan. However, after over 3 years of living there I came to the conclusion that following a Japanese form of Z

Re: [Zen] SPRING Zen Retreat

2008-02-18 Thread Al
From: "mike brown" I agree with you. There are people achieving satori who have never heard of zen or meditation, etc. There are people who reach enlightened states who may not even have any spiritual beliefs at all. However, anyone who is asking for money in exchange for teaching is by definiti

[Zen] Teachers & Karma

2008-02-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Al, I somehow sense that you are trying to say something to some particular person(s). If so, then please ignore what I wrote below. As you know, there are many schools. Some school ask for money for class or session of finite numbers. These are generally for beginner's class. This way,

Re: [Zen] Teachers & Karma

2008-02-18 Thread Al
From: "Jue Miao Jing Ming - When we meet our enlightened Master, he > always stands up to greet and ask us to sit down first.> Sounds good. What is the url to the enlightened master so we can all eyeball him for ourselves? I am reminded of The Wizard of Oz, where the four souls who were all lack

Re: [Zen] Teachers & Karma

2008-02-18 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
If I may say to your mind with respect, Al. Do not judge with form. Chan does not exist in any form. If you have problem with the word, "enlightenment" as before, it is your mind and not the word itself. I purposefully inserted there for you. It is not important what word I use to describe

Re: [Zen] SPRING Zen Retreat

2008-02-18 Thread Al
mike brown <> I remember those heady days when Fudo and Genryu were `patrolling` this forum and I learnt a lot from them too. In fact, it was partly thru` Fudo`s contribution that I went to Japan.>> Did Fudo help you get accomodated with a Zen Temple? I recall Fudo and Genryu were very enlight

RE: [Zen] Teachers & Karma

2008-02-18 Thread BillSmart
Al, If they have a website they have to be real: http://www.heartchan.org http://www.zen.org.tw All kidding aside, it's obvious to me from Jue Miao Jing Ming's (JMJM) posts that he is a serious Chan practitioner and dedicated teacher. I may not agree with everything he says, but by-in-large

Re: [Zen] Teachers & Karma

2008-02-18 Thread Al
From: I think we can do better than that. I agree that the website looks bona fide, and he certainly is a nice guy. I bet that he is the chubby guy walking next to the Master in the main photo. I think we can all agree that Jue Miao Jing Ming has earned his Zen Forum Teaching Credential by accla