Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-12 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 

Honestly Anthony,

I am not familiar with Buddhism, Tantrism, Taoism, or Christianity, 
because I did not read every word in them, nor have I totally 
experienced any of them.  To me these doctrines are just descriptions of 
different paths.  They belong to the library or the shelf.


The only base from which I post is my practice, my witness, and those 
who practice the same way.  Even those who practice the same way does 
not experience exactly the same thing.


It is alright for you to categorize my practice with any label.  I don't 
agree or disagree.  Because...


The reality is, "Chan is taught without words and out side of all 
teachings.  It is a direct to our heart practice."


It is not complex, or unbelievable, or mysterious.  Chan is actually 
very simple.  Just a journey.


JM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 1/12/2011 3:37 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:


JM,

That your teacher can influence your karma directly is contrary to 
Buddhism. Karma is your own problem. Your teacher can guide you, but 
you have to take your own action to lessen or compensate for the 
influence of karma. He can manipulate your 'chi' to make you feel 
good. However, the potential influence of your karma still exists, 
though you think it is gone, because of your wonderful feeling. Why 
don't you follow Christianity or Islam, so that when you do something 
wrong, God can absolve you and you don't have any qualms. Wouldn't it 
feel even better?


I came to a preliminary conclusion that your chan school is a mixture 
of Buddhism (except for the doctrine of karma), Taoism and Tantrism. 
You can consider taking in Christianity or Islam to help combat bad 
karma (or its complete denial). If you don't agree, please explain.


Anthony

--- On *Wed, 12/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
//* wrote:



From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
    Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 9:00 AM

Yes DaMiZong is a very powerful practice if you have the right
teacher, because the teacher can carry your karma.  It is
mysterious and wonderful.

I personally do not need to.  Our school do not teach Sexual
Tantrism.  It is too risky.  One of our practitioners got side
tracked and experienced hell and almost died.

I do not recommend such practice.
:-)

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 1/11/2011 4:27 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:


JMJM,
Nagarjuna (Longshu Pusa) was the grandfather of mahayana.
Tantrism also recognizes him as their initiator (truly or not is
up to discussion). 'Mizong' is another name for Tantrism, so you
are an expert of Tantrism.
Tantrism is split into branches. One of them engages in 'sex
ritual'. Do you do it?
Anthony

--- On *Wed, 12/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/ /* wrote:


        From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
    
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 8:19 AM

Hello Anthony,

I really am not familiar with Tibetan Tantrism.  Please share
with the forum.

For whatever its worth, the only thing that I have "heard"
was Tibetan Buddhism, or "Secret Order", or 『密宗』， was
taught by 『龍樹菩薩』，who is Chan Master.  Therefore Chan
is also considered 『大密宗』， or "Grand Secret Order". 
There could be many similarities in the practice.  Our

practice is  called, 『秘密內證法』， or "Secret Inner
Witness Dharma".

:-)

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com  <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org  <http://www.heartchan.org/>


On 1/11/2011 3:53 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:

JMJM,
Besides Buddhism and Tao, your Chan practice also absorb
something from Tibetan Tantrism, as described by you on
chakras and energy channels. If you don't agree, please explain.
Anthony

--- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chan.j...@gmail.com>/*
wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
        
        <http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chan.j...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate
Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 3:17 PM

Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me usi

Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-12 Thread Anthony Wu 
JM,

That your teacher can influence your karma directly is contrary to Buddhism. 
Karma is your own problem. Your teacher can guide you, but you have to take 
your own action to lessen or compensate for the influence of karma. He can 
manipulate your 'chi' to make you feel good. However, the potential influence 
of your karma still exists, though you think it is gone, because of your 
wonderful feeling. Why don't you follow Christianity or Islam, so that when you 
do something wrong, God can absolve you and you don't have any qualms. Wouldn't 
it feel even better?

I came to a preliminary conclusion that your chan school is a mixture of 
Buddhism (except for the doctrine of karma), Taoism and Tantrism. You can 
consider taking in Christianity or Islam to help combat bad karma (or its 
complete denial). If you don't agree, please explain.

Anthony

--- On Wed, 12/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明  wrote:

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 9:00 AM







 



  



  
  
  

  
  
Yes DaMiZong is a very powerful practice if you have the right
teacher, because the teacher can carry your karma.  It is mysterious
and wonderful.



I personally do not need to.  Our school do not teach Sexual
Tantrism.  It is too risky.  One of our practitioners got side
tracked and experienced hell and almost died.  



I do not recommend such practice.

 :-) 

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org



On 1/11/2011 4:27 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:

   
  
  

  

  

  JMJM,
   
  Nagarjuna (Longshu Pusa) was the grandfather
of mahayana. Tantrism also recognizes him as
their initiator (truly or not is up to
discussion). 'Mizong' is another name for
Tantrism, so you are an expert of Tantrism.
   
  Tantrism is split into branches. One of them
engages in 'sex ritual'. Do you do it?
   
  Anthony



--- On Wed, 12/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
  覺妙精明 
wrote:

  
  

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
                

            Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi,
Ultimate Truth

To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 8:19 AM



 
  
Hello Anthony,

  

  I really am not familiar with Tibetan
  Tantrism.  Please share with the forum.

  

  For whatever its worth, the only thing
  that I have "heard" was Tibetan Buddhism,
  or "Secret Order", or 『密宗』， was taught by
  『龍樹菩薩』，who is Chan Master.  Therefore Chan
  is also considered 『大密宗』， or "Grand Secret
  Order".  There could be many similarities
  in the practice.  Our practice is  called,
  『秘密內證法』， or "Secret Inner Witness Dharma".

  

  :-)


  Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org

  

  On 1/11/2011 3:53 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
   

  

  

  
JMJM,
 
Besides Buddhism and
  Tao, your Chan practice
  also absorb something from
  Tibetan Tantrism, as
  described by you on

Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-11 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
Yes DaMiZong is a very powerful practice if you have the right teacher, 
because the teacher can carry your karma.  It is mysterious and wonderful.


I personally do not need to.  Our school do not teach Sexual Tantrism.  
It is too risky.  One of our practitioners got side tracked and 
experienced hell and almost died.


I do not recommend such practice.
:-)

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 1/11/2011 4:27 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:


JMJM,
Nagarjuna (Longshu Pusa) was the grandfather of mahayana. Tantrism 
also recognizes him as their initiator (truly or not is up to 
discussion). 'Mizong' is another name for Tantrism, so you are an 
expert of Tantrism.
Tantrism is split into branches. One of them engages in 'sex ritual'. 
Do you do it?

Anthony

--- On *Wed, 12/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
//* wrote:



From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
    Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 8:19 AM

Hello Anthony,

I really am not familiar with Tibetan Tantrism.  Please share with
the forum.

For whatever its worth, the only thing that I have "heard" was
Tibetan Buddhism, or "Secret Order", or 『密宗』， was taught by
『龍樹菩薩』，who is Chan Master.  Therefore Chan is also
considered 『大密宗』， or "Grand Secret Order".  There could be
many similarities in the practice.  Our practice is  called, 『秘
密內證法』， or "Secret Inner Witness Dharma".

:-)

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com  <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org  <http://www.heartchan.org/>


On 1/11/2011 3:53 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:

JMJM,
Besides Buddhism and Tao, your Chan practice also absorb
something from Tibetan Tantrism, as described by you on chakras
and energy channels. If you don't agree, please explain.
Anthony

--- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chan.j...@gmail.com>/*
wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chan.j...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 3:17 PM

Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me using initials :-) ）

Again very important question.  Before I say anything I like
to repeat what my teacher often remind us, "Practice and you
shall witness. We all can."  My words are only for your
reference.

* The Sitting Practice of Chan is mostly Tao.  The Words
  are most Buddhism, because 49 years of teaching gave us
  a lot of terms to use.  The spiritual realms we reach
  however are universal and label-less.
* Stage one, we practice to reach Constant Turning Of
  Dharma Wheels.  In layman's language, that is to cycle
  three energy channels passing all ten chakras, three
  times, within a single breath.  Then our body is pure. 
  This will take about three years for average person, if

  practices on a daily basis. At this stage, our physical
  being transforms into an energy being, we are naturally
  fed with universal energy constantly. (I don't have jet
  lag.  Don't get tired.)
* Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form is called by some
  the Ninth Consciousness, or the Realm of Light.  It is
  the Truth, Kindness and Perfection. Some call it the
  nature of the universe, or nature of chan, or the
  nature of all of us. :-)

Our meditation website is htttp://www.chan-meditation.org. 
And if you register and log in at heartchan.org, there are

about 8 or 10 video taught directly by our Lineage Chan
Master, be connected with His chi while listening to his
words.  There is English subtitle. Each is about 45 minutes
long.

Let me know if you need more details.  Thank you for giving
me this opportunity to share.

JMJM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com  <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org  <http://www.heartchan.org/>


On 1/10/2011 8:14 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote:

To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me how Chan is
different than Tao. Also, how in Chan can we rid our bodies
of dirty chi, and replace it with fresh. I meditate with a
candle (candle gazing)

Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-11 Thread Anthony Wu 
JMJM,
 
Nagarjuna (Longshu Pusa) was the grandfather of mahayana. Tantrism also 
recognizes him as their initiator (truly or not is up to discussion). 'Mizong' 
is another name for Tantrism, so you are an expert of Tantrism.
 
Tantrism is split into branches. One of them engages in 'sex ritual'. Do you do 
it?
 
Anthony

--- On Wed, 12/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明  wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 8:19 AM


  



Hello Anthony,

I really am not familiar with Tibetan Tantrism.  Please share with the forum.

For whatever its worth, the only thing that I have "heard" was Tibetan 
Buddhism, or "Secret Order", or 『密宗』， was taught by 『龍樹菩薩』，who is Chan Master.  
Therefore Chan is also considered 『大密宗』， or "Grand Secret Order".  There could 
be many similarities in the practice.  Our practice is  called, 『秘密內證法』， or 
"Secret Inner Witness Dharma".

:-) 
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org

On 1/11/2011 3:53 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: 
  






JMJM,
 
Besides Buddhism and Tao, your Chan practice also absorb something from Tibetan 
Tantrism, as described by you on chakras and energy channels. If you don't 
agree, please explain.
 
Anthony

--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明  wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 3:17 PM


  

Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me using initials  :-) ）

Again very important question.  Before I say anything I like to repeat what my 
teacher often remind us, "Practice and you shall witness. We all can."  My 
words are only for your reference.


The Sitting Practice of Chan is mostly Tao.  The Words are most Buddhism, 
because 49 years of teaching gave us a lot of terms to use.  The spiritual 
realms we reach however are universal and label-less.

Stage one, we practice to reach Constant Turning Of Dharma Wheels.  In layman's 
language, that is to cycle three energy channels passing all ten chakras, three 
times, within a single breath.  Then our body is pure.  This will take about 
three years for average person, if practices on a daily basis. At this stage, 
our physical being transforms into an energy being, we are naturally fed with 
universal energy constantly. (I don't have jet lag.  Don't get tired.)

Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form is called by some the Ninth Consciousness, 
or the Realm of Light.  It is the Truth, Kindness and Perfection. Some call it 
the nature of the universe, or nature of chan, or the nature of all of us.  :-) 
Our meditation website is htttp://www.chan-meditation.org.  And if you register 
and log in at heartchan.org, there are about 8 or 10 video taught directly by 
our Lineage Chan Master, be connected with His chi while listening to his 
words.  There is English subtitle. Each is about 45 minutes long. 

Let me know if you need more details.  Thank you for giving me this opportunity 
to share.

JMJM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org

On 1/10/2011 8:14 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote: 
  

To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me how Chan is different than Tao. 
Also, how in Chan can we rid our bodies of dirty chi, and replace it with 
fresh. I meditate with a candle (candle gazing) and am able to go for long 
periods where I am "one" with the candle. I can't describe it-I just "am". I 
have no thoughts, I just "am." It's incredible. Lastly, what is the state of 
Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form. Thank you for taking the time to answer 
this...taomtnsa...@yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-11 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 

Hello Anthony,

I really am not familiar with Tibetan Tantrism.  Please share with the 
forum.


For whatever its worth, the only thing that I have "heard" was Tibetan 
Buddhism, or "Secret Order", or 『密宗』， was taught by 『龍樹菩 
薩』，who is Chan Master.  Therefore Chan is also considered 『大密 
宗』， or "Grand Secret Order".  There could be many similarities in the 
practice.  Our practice is  called, 『秘密內證法』， or "Secret Inner 
Witness Dharma".


:-)

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 1/11/2011 3:53 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:


JMJM,
Besides Buddhism and Tao, your Chan practice also absorb something 
from Tibetan Tantrism, as described by you on chakras and energy 
channels. If you don't agree, please explain.

Anthony

--- On *Tue, 11/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
//* wrote:



From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
    Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 3:17 PM

Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me using initials :-) ）

Again very important question.  Before I say anything I like to
repeat what my teacher often remind us, "Practice and you shall
witness. We all can."  My words are only for your reference.

* The Sitting Practice of Chan is mostly Tao.  The Words are
  most Buddhism, because 49 years of teaching gave us a lot of
  terms to use.  The spiritual realms we reach however are
  universal and label-less.
* Stage one, we practice to reach Constant Turning Of Dharma
  Wheels.  In layman's language, that is to cycle three energy
  channels passing all ten chakras, three times, within a
  single breath.  Then our body is pure.  This will take about
  three years for average person, if practices on a daily
  basis. At this stage, our physical being transforms into an
  energy being, we are naturally fed with universal energy
  constantly. (I don't have jet lag.  Don't get tired.)
* Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form is called by some the
  Ninth Consciousness, or the Realm of Light.  It is the
  Truth, Kindness and Perfection. Some call it the nature of
  the universe, or nature of chan, or the nature of all of us.
  :-)

Our meditation website is htttp://www.chan-meditation.org.  And if
you register and log in at heartchan.org, there are about 8 or 10
video taught directly by our Lineage Chan Master, be connected
with His chi while listening to his words.  There is English
subtitle. Each is about 45 minutes long.

Let me know if you need more details.  Thank you for giving me
this opportunity to share.

JMJM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com  <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org  <http://www.heartchan.org/>


On 1/10/2011 8:14 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote:

To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me how Chan is
different than Tao. Also, how in Chan can we rid our bodies of
dirty chi, and replace it with fresh. I meditate with a candle
(candle gazing) and am able to go for long periods where I am
"one" with the candle. I can't describe it-I just "am". I have no
thoughts, I just "am." It's incredible. Lastly, what is the state
of Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form. Thank you for taking the
time to answer this...taomtnsa...@yahoo.com

<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=this...taomtnsage1%40yahoo.com>

Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-11 Thread Anthony Wu 
JMJM,
 
Besides Buddhism and Tao, your Chan practice also absorb something from Tibetan 
Tantrism, as described by you on chakras and energy channels. If you don't 
agree, please explain.
 
Anthony

--- On Tue, 11/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明  wrote:


From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
Subject: Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 3:17 PM


  



Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me using initials  :-) ）

Again very important question.  Before I say anything I like to repeat what my 
teacher often remind us, "Practice and you shall witness. We all can."  My 
words are only for your reference.


The Sitting Practice of Chan is mostly Tao.  The Words are most Buddhism, 
because 49 years of teaching gave us a lot of terms to use.  The spiritual 
realms we reach however are universal and label-less.

Stage one, we practice to reach Constant Turning Of Dharma Wheels.  In layman's 
language, that is to cycle three energy channels passing all ten chakras, three 
times, within a single breath.  Then our body is pure.  This will take about 
three years for average person, if practices on a daily basis. At this stage, 
our physical being transforms into an energy being, we are naturally fed with 
universal energy constantly. (I don't have jet lag.  Don't get tired.)

Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form is called by some the Ninth Consciousness, 
or the Realm of Light.  It is the Truth, Kindness and Perfection. Some call it 
the nature of the universe, or nature of chan, or the nature of all of us.  :-) 
Our meditation website is htttp://www.chan-meditation.org.  And if you register 
and log in at heartchan.org, there are about 8 or 10 video taught directly by 
our Lineage Chan Master, be connected with His chi while listening to his 
words.  There is English subtitle. Each is about 45 minutes long. 

Let me know if you need more details.  Thank you for giving me this opportunity 
to share.

JMJM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org

On 1/10/2011 8:14 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote: 
  

To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me how Chan is different than Tao. 
Also, how in Chan can we rid our bodies of dirty chi, and replace it with 
fresh. I meditate with a candle (candle gazing) and am able to go for long 
periods where I am "one" with the candle. I can't describe it-I just "am". I 
have no thoughts, I just "am." It's incredible. Lastly, what is the state of 
Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form. Thank you for taking the time to answer 
this...taomtnsa...@yahoo.com

Re: [Zen] Tao vs Chan, Rid dirty chi, Ultimate Truth

2011-01-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 

Hello TMSO,  (I hope you don't mind me using initials :-) ）

Again very important question.  Before I say anything I like to repeat 
what my teacher often remind us, "Practice and you shall witness. We all 
can."  My words are only for your reference.


   * The Sitting Practice of Chan is mostly Tao.  The Words are most
 Buddhism, because 49 years of teaching gave us a lot of terms to
 use.  The spiritual realms we reach however are universal and
 label-less.
   * Stage one, we practice to reach Constant Turning Of Dharma
 Wheels.  In layman's language, that is to cycle three energy
 channels passing all ten chakras, three times, within a single
 breath.  Then our body is pure.  This will take about three years
 for average person, if practices on a daily basis. At this stage,
 our physical being transforms into an energy being, we are
 naturally fed with universal energy constantly. (I don't have jet
 lag.  Don't get tired.)
   * Ultimate Truth/Final Form/True Form is called by some the Ninth
 Consciousness, or the Realm of Light.  It is the Truth, Kindness
 and Perfection. Some call it the nature of the universe, or nature
 of chan, or the nature of all of us. :-)

Our meditation website is htttp://www.chan-meditation.org.  And if you 
register and log in at heartchan.org, there are about 8 or 10 video 
taught directly by our Lineage Chan Master, be connected with His chi 
while listening to his words.  There is English subtitle. Each is about 
45 minutes long.


Let me know if you need more details.  Thank you for giving me this 
opportunity to share.


JMJM

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 1/10/2011 8:14 PM, taomtnsage1 wrote:


To Jue Miao Jing Ming- Could you please tell me how Chan is different 
than Tao. Also, how in Chan can we rid our bodies of dirty chi, and 
replace it with fresh. I meditate with a candle (candle gazing) and am 
able to go for long periods where I am "one" with the candle. I can't 
describe it-I just "am". I have no thoughts, I just "am." It's 
incredible. Lastly, what is the state of Ultimate Truth/Final 
Form/True Form. Thank you for taking the time to answer 
this...taomtnsa...@yahoo.com