[zfs-discuss] unable to import the zpool

2012-08-01 Thread Suresh Kumar
Dear ZFS-Users, I am using Solarisx86 10u10, All the devices which are belongs to my zpool are in available state . But I am unable to import the zpool. #zpool import tXstpool cannot import 'tXstpool': one or more devices is currently unavailable == bash-3.2# zpool import

[zfs-discuss] known membership of the ZFS Working Group

2012-08-01 Thread Graham Perrin
I understand that some participants would prefer to keep their participation non-public, and so I do not expect the Group to have a home page at this time. In the absence of a web page, please can we list here the individual and organisational members who are *happy* for their membership to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-07-31 17:55, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nico Williams The copies thing is a really only for laptops, where the likelihood of redundancy is very low ZFS also stores

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 08/01/2012 12:04 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Probably DDT is also stored with 2 or 3 copies of each block, since it is metadata. It was not in the last ZFS on-disk spec from 2006 that I found, for some apparent reason ;) That's probably because it's extremely big (dozens, hundreds or even

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-01 16:22, Sašo Kiselkov пишет: On 08/01/2012 12:04 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Probably DDT is also stored with 2 or 3 copies of each block, since it is metadata. It was not in the last ZFS on-disk spec from 2006 that I found, for some apparent reason ;) The idea of the pun was that the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Availability of the DDT is IMHO crucial to a deduped pool, so I won't be surprised to see it forced to triple copies. Agreed, although, the DDT is also paramount to performance.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 08/01/2012 03:35 PM, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Availability of the DDT is IMHO crucial to a deduped pool, so I won't be surprised to see it forced to triple

Re: [zfs-discuss] unable to import the zpool

2012-08-01 Thread Hung-sheng Tsao
Hi Try zpool import -nF tXstpool To see If it can roll back to some. Good state If you can afford some lost data zpool import -F tXstpool Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:21 AM, Suresh Kumar sachinnsur...@gmail.com wrote: Dear ZFS-Users, I am using Solarisx86 10u10, All the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-01 17:35, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: Personally, I've never been supportive of the whole copies idea. If you need more than one redundant copy of some data, that's why you have pool redundancy. You're just hurting performance by using copies. And protecting against

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-01 17:55, Sašo Kiselkov пишет: On 08/01/2012 03:35 PM, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Availability of the DDT is IMHO crucial to a deduped pool, so I won't be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 08/01/2012 04:14 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-08-01 17:55, Sašo Kiselkov пишет: On 08/01/2012 03:35 PM, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Availability of the DDT is IMHO

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool Unavailable

2012-08-01 Thread Jesse Jamez
Hello, I recently rebooted my workstation and the disk names changed causing my ZFS pool to be unavailable. I did not make any hardware changes? My first question is the obvious? Did I loose my data? Can I recover it? What would cause the names to change? Delay in the order that the HBA

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool Unavailable

2012-08-01 Thread Krunal Desai
On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:06, Jesse Jamez jesse.jam...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I recently rebooted my workstation and the disk names changed causing my ZFS pool to be unavailable. I did not make any hardware changes? My first question is the obvious? Did I loose my data? Can I recover it?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Nigel W
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Sašo Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/01/2012 04:14 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: chances are that some blocks of userdata might be more popular than a DDT block and would push it out of L2ARC as well... Which is why I plan on investigating implementing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool Unavailable

2012-08-01 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 1, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Jesse Jamez wrote: Hello, I recently rebooted my workstation and the disk names changed causing my ZFS pool to be unavailable. What OS and release? I did not make any hardware changes? My first question is the obvious? Did I loose my data? Can I recover

Re: [zfs-discuss] online increase of zfs after LUN increase ?

2012-08-01 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi-- If the S10 patch is installed on this system... Can you remind us if you ran the zpool online -e command after the LUN is expanded and the autoexpand propery is set? I hear that some storage that doesn't generate the correct codes in response to a LUN expansion so you might need to run

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: Sašo Kiselkov [mailto:skiselkov...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:56 AM On 08/01/2012 03:35 PM, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Availability

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:08 PM L2ARC is a read cache. Hence the R and C in L2ARC. This means two major things: #1 Writes don't benefit, and #2 There's no way to load the whole DDT into the cache anyway. So you're guaranteed to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-01 22:07, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: L2ARC is a read cache. Hence the R and C in L2ARC. R is replacement, but what the hell ;) This means two major things: #1 Writes don't benefit, and #2 There's no way to load the whole DDT into the cache anyway. So you're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Tomas Forsman
On 01 August, 2012 - opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris sent me these 1,8K bytes: From: Sa??o Kiselkov [mailto:skiselkov...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:56 AM On 08/01/2012 03:35 PM, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris wrote: From:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Well, there is at least a couple of failure scenarios where copies1 are good: 1) A single-disk pool, as in a laptop. Noise on the bus, media degradation, or any other

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov 2012-08-01 22:07, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: L2ARC is a read cache. Hence the R and C in L2ARC. R is replacement, but what the hell ;) This means two

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-01 23:40, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: Agreed, ARC/L2ARC help in finding the DDT, but whenever you've got a snapshot destroy (happens every 15 minutes) you've got a lot of entries you need to write. Those are all scattered about the pool... Even if you can find them

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-08-01 23:34, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Well, there is at least a couple of failure scenarios where copies1 are good: 1) A single-disk pool, as in a laptop.

Re: [zfs-discuss] online increase of zfs after LUN increase ?

2012-08-01 Thread Habony, Zsolt
Hello, I have run zpool online -e only. I have not set autoexpand property, (as it is not set by default.) (My understanding was that a controlled way of expansion is zpool online -e, where you decide when to increase actually, and a non-controlled fully automatic way was setting autoexpand

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the ZFS copies attribute substitute HW disk redundancy?

2012-08-01 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2012-Aug-01 21:00:46 +0530, Nigel W nige...@nosun.ca wrote: I think a fantastic idea for dealing with the DDT (and all other metadata for that matter) would be an option to put (a copy of) metadata exclusively on a SSD. This is on my wishlist as well. I believe ZEVO supports it so possibly