[ZION] Answer to Life

2002-11-13 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.com/~jcobabe When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*

Re: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:44 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:23 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: What did you do to pretend to be an amoeba? Split in two? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Beecroft: Naturally. It involved cutting various simple shapes out of construction paper, then deciding which shapes looked most like Canada.

Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:38 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote: It's a tragedy these things happen. Everyone who goes into an MRI room should be trained and no unauthorized person should be allowed in. Oh, man, now I have to be TRAINED to be sick!! 8)) Till the tired

Re: Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
In my opinion the more parties the better. Stacy. I agree. . .party on, dude!! Yeahh! Let's all have a party!! :-))) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
Their military equipment is also built to a much different quality requirement than their commercial stuff - just like ours. They do have the technical know-how to build electronic equipment correctly - they just don't waste it on commercial stuff. I can't argue with this because I don't know. I

Re: [ZION] When does the Sabbath end?

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
If I was a Jew, the Sabbath would be from sundown to sundown. But I'm not a Jew, at least not culturally or religiously. So as soon as the clock strikes midnight, the Sabbath is over. I feel the same way you do, Paul. Hip hip hurray! Someone agrees with me on this one! I honestly feel that

Re: [ZION] caffeine

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
At *very* occasional times, on long distance trips, I've taken caffeine pills to keep me up. Me too. It's better than winding up on the side of the road. Personally I think if I didn't live the WoW I'd try a glass of white wine every now and then. Me too. But the benefits of living the WoW

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
The United Order was voluntary, socialism isn't. That is a pretty big difference in my book. Of course your right, John. Why didn't I think of that? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today

Re: [ZION] Flying Lessons

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Schindler: (Is Spruce Grove near Cold Lake?) Define close. Thanks for the map and info. I didn't realize Spruce Grove was near Edmonton. I don't define that as close in this instance. I spend two weeks at Cold Lake back in the 80s when I was flying

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: How? Would they have built 30 million junks and sailed across the oceans? Er, no. All they had to do was cross the Yalu River. By down our throats I meant the Allies -- the US, the South Koreans, the Canadians and the Australians. All that we really needed to do was to

Re: [ZION] Modest attire fashion show

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:46 11/13/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: The version of the article I read (in the Toronto paper) said that the Church members who organized this had to turn away Catholics, Jews, Moslems and conservative Protestants -- there just wasn't enough room -- but it made them realize there's a huge

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
In the decimal system, of course, you decidigicist, you... [you've just insulted the entire cartoon phylum, who only have 8 fingers -- Bart even notices this on one of the Simpsons episodes, smart little brat that he is] Jon Spencer wrote: Then 9 times 6 equals 46. And that IS the correct

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I should answer my own earlier, rhetorical question to make one point plain (and I agree with what you said, btw, this is just an additional point): vis-a-vis coffee/tea and caffeine. I would not have a problem with the occasional popping of a caffeine pill if you're driving late at night for a

[ZION] Picture of Shanghai

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I now have permission to share the name of the person who took the picture of Shanghai during a trip there earlier this year -- Elden Watson, the well-known LDS apologist. For those who are wondering what I'm talking about, I posted a picture of modern Shanghai which you can download as a .jpeg

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Foreign policy is like a boomerang -- it always comes back. And when you're a superpower, it's like a big boomerang in a tornado. It comes back, but brings the kitchen sink and a few cows with it. Jon Spencer wrote: So John, are you now saying that we SHOULD be engaged in foreign conflicts?

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Mark Gregson
In effect we've struck a devil's bargain -- raw materials and geography in turn for huddling under your nuclear umbrella, so your son's actually not far off the mark. I'd feel much safer without the umbrella, especially since 11 September 2001. No one has ever yet given me a list of the

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- what if the person isn't using Euclidean mathematics? Then 9 times 6 may NOT equal 42. [...] -Jon- Then 9 times 6 equals 46. And that IS the correct answer. -Marc- In the decimal system, of course, you decidigicist, you... Just occurred to me: 9 x 6 = 42 in base 13, and 9 x 6 = 46

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:10 11/13/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Just occurred to me: 9 x 6 = 42 in base 13, and 9 x 6 = 46 in base 12. Obviously, Gary and Jon are simply off-base. Yes, but WHO'S on first? Till the everwatchful // ///

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:44 AM 11/13/2002, Marc wrote: Nobody does anything out of ideology anymore. I disagree. What about the ideology underlying the drive for power and gain? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada

[ZION] The Lord of the Rings

2002-11-13 Thread Mark Gregson
I bought a copy of the Extended Edition DVD of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring yesterday. Man, I can hardly wait to view the extra 30 minutes of screenplay. This movie will wear well with time; there's so much rich depth. Instead of growing out of the film people will

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread Dan R Allen
John: I don't know how to say this, but I'll try. In a fight, a combatant must not be allowed sanctuary. If he can attack from sanctuary, there is no way to defeat him. And he is free to kill at his convenience. In war, a general must be allowed to pursue those who retreat to keep them

[ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
Hardwired for God? http://www.ldsmag.com/sci_rel/021112wired.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Dan R Allen
John: Speaking of unlawful transfer of property, a couple of days ago my son made an interesting observation. He said that the USA provides a national defense for Canada and gets Canada to pay for it by abusing trade regulations. I'm not sure you would agree with the first half of the

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-13 Thread Dan R Allen
Marc: Nobody does anything out of ideology anymore. Bush used Iraq to gain control of the Senate. Period. Watch: there won't be a war -- Iraq will blink. Dan: Unless of course he only winks; then he'll get whacked. Marc: As von Clausewitz said, war is diplomacy by other means. Dan: Exactly.

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-13 Thread Dan R Allen
Their military equipment is also built to a much different quality requirement than their commercial stuff - just like ours. They do have the technical know-how to build electronic equipment correctly - they just don't waste it on commercial stuff. Paul: I can't argue with this because I

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:20 11/13/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: See, I can play straight man, too. Yes, I noticed, and I greatly appreciated that. See how kewl it can be down here in the mud beneath all the important people. Till // ///

Re: [ZION] The Lord of the Rings

2002-11-13 Thread Dan R Allen
Mark: I bought a copy of the Extended Edition DVD of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring yesterday. Man, I can hardly wait to view the extra 30 minutes of screenplay. This movie will wear well with time; there's so much rich depth. Instead of growing out of the film people

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: A military officer who disobeys a superiors orders (unless they are illegal) is not fit to be an officer. Unless the order is illegal. And Truman's orders were clearly illegal by any constitutional standards. The whole war was

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: Define win John. To me this is like asking me to define is. Obviously, win means to defeat the enemy. Did we defeat the North Koreans? No. Did we defeat the Chinese? No. No battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy. We went

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
I thank you from the most heartfelt depths of my heart for the hospitality you have offered me. I can tell that this trip, which might have been a big chore, is going to turn out to be one of the highlights of my personal history. I am really pumped. I'm so excited for John! You'll have fun

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
If it isn't, then it is a traitor and betrayer. Which just about sums up what I feel about Truman. He betrayed our armed forced, and deserves to be remembered as one of the blackest villains of our national history. I wonder if his temple ordinances have been performed yet? Hmmm. ;-)

Re: [ZION] one party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
Gary said: women reproductive issues - I can't use the real term because it is against charter, Yeah but we knew what you meant. ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month!

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread larry . jackson
Well, in this case, splitting the long way just results in an even more tangled mess. Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc Schindler: What did you do to pretend to be an amoeba? Split in two? Larry Jackson wrote: Stephen Beecroft: Naturally. It involved cutting various simple shapes out

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:41 PM 11/13/2002, Marc wrote: I read that. Be careful with John Pratt -- he's into some pretty scary stuff involving signs and tokens in his own semi-public ceremonies involving what he calls the Enoch calendar. Details available upon request. But more to the point, and staying away from

Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I wasn't talking about the patient, of course not, just the workers. Stacy. At 07:31 AM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 23:38 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote: It's a tragedy these things happen. Everyone who goes into an MRI room should be trained and no unauthorized person should be

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
*Some* of that criticism of the Repubs is deserved, I think -- Bush was tight with oil interests, which is okay, but he allowed further deregulations which basically allowed companies to hide a lot of stuff from their shareholders. Not that we're lily-white, either. The TSX (the Toronto Stock

[ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
The difference is that Zion will not force you to give up your wheat or other items. One must voluntarily give all things through consecration, otherwise it isn't taken. Of course, those who will not consecrate also will not be allowed to dwell in Zion, but you have choices. The Lord doesn't

[ZION] MRI

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
So, would a two week refresher course be enough for the patients? K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Stacy: It's a tragedy

[ZION] flying lessons

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
And since Canada has so much open land, they aren't filled with a bunch of overzealous environmental overseers that whine and complain anytime the military wants to blow something up. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is

[ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
The coffee bean can be used to produce caffeine, which is an important drug used for some illnesses. Just as with other drugs, it can be abused and misused. My grandfather was prescribed caffeine for a heart condition he had. The doctor told him he could either pay a dollar per caffeine pill or

[ZION] answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
I am not off base. You will note that I said the word, MAY, leaving the option open for the correct base. Jon is the one who insisted on base 12. I just left the door open for many possible solutions, showing once again that the answer 42 does not yet have A (as in single) perfect answer. K'aya

[ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
Also, they only had the two bombs. To make more would take months of refining the ore and building the bombs. To use one in an ineffective way would have been a waste of precious resources that could finish the war quickly and with fewer casualties. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1

[ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
Let's see, Marc is taking the word of a guy who used to work for Microsoft, and even though no longer employed by them, spends his time offering to give tours of the grounds of Microsoft's campus H, yeah, I can see why you would hold his observations so highly on this one ;-) K'aya

[ZION] umbrella

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
If I were you, I'd keep my eye on those fellas in Greenland and Iceland. Of course, the Norse are infamous for having invaded Canada in the past. They could do it again. Environmentalists would be near the top of potential Canadian terrorists. Remember their reaction when you guys were clubbing

[ZION] Mannequins

2002-11-13 Thread Gary Smith
Would someone please tell Till's wife to keep him away from the store front windows? He's scaring the passersby... K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann

[ZION] WMD Conference: lessons learned

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
From Jane's News Briefs, 13/11/02 Jane's conference seeks to ensure that lessons drawn from bitter experience are learned to counter the WMD threat One point highlighted on the concluding day of the Jane's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) Conference, held in Washington DC last week, was that

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Although we are still technically better and more skilled, their numbers allow them an advantage we don't have. A war with them would end up in mass casualties on both sides. And they wouldn't fear using the bomb, because the Chinese believe that

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Hey, that reminds me. Inquiring minds want to know. Howzacome you still use the Latin digraph when you spell amoeba and, usually, though not always, archaeology but omit it in palaeontology, haematology, encyclopaedia, etc.? Mind you, in Canada, as usual, we're all mixed up. You rarely see

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I know someone for whom this is also the case, although for a different condition. But I think today doctors are smart enough to come up with suitable alternatives. A bottle of 100 No-doze here costs only a couple of dollars, and those are only arctic pesos, so probably only like, three cents, eh?

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Steven Montgomery wrote: I agree with you regarding the basis for materialism. Marxist scientists have for decades attempted to establish a material basis for spiritual experiences, that is nothing new. However, that is not what Pratt was driving at. Pratt clearly states that there is a

Re: [ZION] flying lessons

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Oh, we have our share, and they manage to get around, despite the efforts of our national airline to discourage travel :-/ Gary Smith wrote: And since Canada has so much open land, they aren't filled with a bunch of overzealous environmental overseers that whine and complain anytime the

Re: [ZION] answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler
But may is the modal auxiliary used to grant permission. You had the hubris to declare the entire universe wrong (Mother, may I change the laws of arithmetic? Yes, you may...) :-) Gary Smith wrote: I am not off base. You will note that I said the word, MAY, leaving the option open for the