Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-05 Thread Scott McGee
On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:03:17 -0800, Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How does one get an arranged marriage if one might wish one? I'm mad it seems it can't be done in this culture. The trick to arranged marriages is that you don't do your own arranging. That makes it pretty hard to

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-05 Thread Scott McGee
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:05:35 -0500, Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Oh Dear Scott: I had no idea what you have been through. I get off of ZION for a few years, and everything falls apart!! That's right, so don't you leave again! You hear me? As I read between

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-05 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Scott McGee wrote: Man is that he might have JOy! == Grampa Bill comments: Sorry! Letty's woman enough for me! Love y'all Grampa Bill in Savannah / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-04 Thread Stacy Smith
How does one get an arranged marriage if one might wish one? I'm mad it seems it can't be done in this culture. Stacy. At 08:49 PM 11/04/2002 +, you wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:21:53 -0900, John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I do not think it is possible to fall out of love with

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-30 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:37 10/31/2002 +0800, His Grace, Bishop Mark wrote: Of course, a truly modern version of this sonnet would be unprintable, but cleaned up it might go something like: Can love last forever? And what if it did? Nights like when Tom called to say that he couldn't come back Because nothing

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-30 Thread Tom Matkin
Can love last forever? And what if it did? Nights like when Tom called to say that he couldn't come back Because nothing felt the same anymore Seared her soul and she thought Why not? I've found a younger, truer kind of love, he said. And she wanted to scream and scream at him like a

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Atonement for sin is no longer made by the high priest in Israel when he passes through the veil of the temple into the holy of holies. (Lev. 16.) See Heb. 6:19-20. Now there is a new way, a living way, for the veil of the old temple was rent with the crucifixion. (Matt. 27:50-51.) Now Jesus

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
One of the most significant meanings of the veil is the representation of our separation from God. He has counseled us to prepare for the eventual removal of that veil... 22 Behold, it is my will, that all they who call on my name, and worship me according to mine everlasting gospel,

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:43 PM, Monday, 10/28/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: 5. Moses 7:26 mentions Satan veiling the earth with his chain, symbolizing (I believe) the captivity of sin and the blindness Satan causes in the hearts of men. Isaiah 25:7 also uses this symbolism. Just some musings during the gospel

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Osborne
It has occurred to me that when we are dealing with other adults, we cannot know who they were in the premortal existence, and they cannot know who we truly are. I have heard it said that if we could only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher regard. I agree. I believe

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Marc A. Schindler
A good book you might consider is Nibley's book on the temple. It's vol. 12, Temple and Cosmos. It explains a lot of symbolism using ancient temples as examples. A good non-LDS book was written by a man who recently passed away and is better known as a critic of the so-called mystic school of

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jim- One of the most significant meanings of the veil is the representation of our separation from God. Jim, it's great to hear you again (speaking symbolically :). In fact, I would say that the representation of our separation from God is the *primary* meaning of the veil, in all cases I've

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:26:43 -0900 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard it said that if we could only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher regard. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 05:15 PM, Tuesday, 10/29/02, Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: Truman Madsen gave a FARMS talk, The Temple and the Atonement, in which he paraphrases Brigham Young, who said that he had two sisters approach him once about a divorce. His reply was that if they could see their husbands as they

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- In other word I'm still in love with the movie, Princess Bride. Farm Boy and Buttercup had it right. --- Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments, love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove. O no, it

[ZION] The veil

2002-10-28 Thread Stephen Beecroft
The symbolism of the veil is used several times in our gospel teachings, and in some different ways. They all seem to have one thing in common: The veil separates us from God. Usually that is good, or at least necessary; in one case, it is not. In the teachings of the gospel, I see at least