After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
But my whole point is that it is SO easy to sit back and second
guess what might have been or could have been or whatever 57 years ago. But
all those who do this are not in the position that President Truman was.
Truman fired MacArthur.
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with:
EVERY ward or branch has a little old man or lady who speaks in tongues
every fast and testimony meeting! Usually they spew forth sermons about
fire and brimstone. Of course, everyone understands what they are saying
even before they speak, since w
Perhaps Marc should ask himself the question why Utah appears to be
dominated by one party politics. Perhaps Utah just leads the way in setting
trends. The following analysis of our recent elections comes from
www.citizenslobby.com:
AMERICA MOVES RIGHTWARD
To the chagrin of the liberal elites
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with:
>Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant
>threat,before we "encourage" it to stand down and live peacefully among
>the nations of the world?
John:
Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant
th
> Dan:
> What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but
the
> first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place.
Jon:
That's my point. it was a LOOONNGGG time between the two events. We are
not even near the point where bombs would drop, and President Bush
At 23:18 11/8/2002 -0800, Stacey wrote:
Where do the Mexicans align themselves?
Certainly not at a border crossing!
Till the ever-watchful
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Marc:
I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too.
It
wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular
kind
of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed
foreign,
non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden
At 09:31 11/9/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote:
I was in one of the classrooms at Parirenwatwa Hospital (formerly Sir Sanford
Fleming Hospital) in Harare, Zimbabwe, about 7 or 8 years ago, and saw a
display
of what happened when a janitor picked up a small vial of caesium powder
and put
it in his pocke
At 12:45 11/9/2002 -0700, Steven wrote:
The primary target was Kokura, a major munitions manufacturing center.
Kokura was obscured by clouds and smoke (leftover from an earlier raid on
a nearby city) so the bombadier couldn't get an exact target despite three
separate passes. The secondary ta
At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote:
Tell me the name
of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their
nation was dissolved?
Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one.
Till
/
At 16:20 11/10/2002 -0900, BLT wrote:
Another was "the shot heard 'round the world" fired at Lexington and
Concord. I wish we could do it again. It would have been wonderful to
have lived in that day when freedom was a flame upon every lip, or at least
every lip that mattered.
I stood in
An interesting commentary by a Catholic scholar on just war. Note
especially the emphasis he puts on "non-combatant immunity" considering our
recent discussions, pro and con, regarding this issue:
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=11136
--
Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
".
We used to be rather thin-skinned about criticism in Canada. While
there's still a lot of that, as these letters in today's Flop and Flail
show, in response to the right-wing cult figure Jonah Greenberg's half
tongue-in-cheek column in National Review that Canada should be invaded
for its own good,
I've been concentrating Remembrance Day as a Canadian formal stat
holiday, but it is also Armistice Day in the U.S. And, though most
Canadians don't seem to know this, ironically the poppy came to be
popularized by a U.S. lady. I only ever see it in Commonwealth
countries, but my father-in-law (who
Not yet.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marc Schindler:
>
> Only in France would two chefs be part of a stake presidency!
>
> ___
>
> And what a fine presidency it must be! Wonderful news for
> the saints in the Toulouse area.
>
> Have you heard anything more about land for a temple in
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marc Schindler:
> Very good! Another week in Moose Jaw for our boy genius :-)
>
> Larry Jackson:
> I think he'll enjoy his fortnight with the Moose Javians.
>
> Marc:
> My cousin's husband ... is tired of rotary wing and wants to
> switch to fixed wing.
>
> Larry:
> I
These stories may or may not be true. How do you know? Many people think
Washington cut down a cherry tree when he was a lad, too, but this story has been
traced to a "moral tale" by a Protestant preacher, iirc, in the 19th century.
Stacy Smith wrote:
> I want to see more of this kind of stuff.
I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after all. This
is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been sent out
to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United States. One
party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren.
At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002, Marc wrote:
Here in Utah in part I think it's related to the fact that the
Democratic
Party has in the last 20 years waned to the point where it really is
almost not a
factor in our political life right now. And I think there is a feeling
that that
is not healthy
Very good!
Stacy.
At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after
all. This
is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been
sent out
to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United Sta
I realize that now after discussing this with Muhammad.
Stacy.
At 03:46 PM 11/11/2002 -0700, you wrote:
These stories may or may not be true. How do you know? Many people think
Washington cut down a cherry tree when he was a lad, too, but this story
has been
traced to a "moral tale" by a Prot
-Marc-
> One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren.
"Defiance"? Institutions are not capable of defiance, only individuals.
Which individuals do you believe are in defiance of the Brethren? The
leaders of the Republican party in Utah? Any Utah Republicans? Any LDS
Republicans?
I agree -- the 101st airborne, which is a light division and can be airlifted, as
its name implies, was the first *foreign* military on the scene, but they were
not the first military forces there.
Dan R Allen wrote:
> Marc:
> I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, t
It's not hard to shield against caesium; I wouldn't worry if I were her. The energy
is less than 1 MEV by a long shot; only a few hundred thousand KEV, if I recall
correctly. Enough to ionize upon contact, but it doesn't require much more than a
lead-lined room to keep it shielded.
"Elmer L. Fairb
I enjoy listening to Truman Madsen. Though he tends to sappy and
over-the-top rhetoric, he is knowledgeable and pretty enjoyable to
listen to. I'm listening to some lectures he gave on Joseph Smith,
wherein he references some things I'm not familiar with and have been
unable to turn up on Googl
In the Catholic Church the concept of a "moral war" was first set out by
Augustine some 1600 years ago. His definition was somewhat harsher than our's,
and also that of the modern RC Church.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> An interesting commentary by a Catholic scholar on just war. Note
> especially
"One party rule" will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early
Church leaders. There will be only one party that follows the Lord.
Everyone else will follow the adversary. Ultimately this is the only
partisan association that matters. While this may not be the pattern
for this day,
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
---
1. Lillian Freeze (Lilian Freise? something like that) recorded that
Joseph Smith said that the day would come that only Latter-day Saint
women would want to have children.
---
Can't locate such a refernce. Will continue searching.
---
2. William Dimick (Demick? D
Here's the other reference--
Joseph Smith made many prophetic statements that last to our day. Some
of them seemed preposterous at the time. Lillie Freeze recalls one such.
"He said the time would come when none but the women of the Latter-day
Saints would be willing to bear children."fn In l
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
I guess I should repost the interview with Pres. Marlin K. Jensen after
all. This
is the interview where he discusses and clarifies a letter that had been
sent out
to stake presidents to be read in all wards in at least the United States.
the huntingtons were converts from new hampshire, and arrived in the
kirtland period. dimick's sister zina is one of the famous zinas my
daughter is named after.
Jim Cobabe wrote:
>
> Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> ---
> 1. Lillian Freeze (Lilian Freise? something like that) recorded that
> Jose
I know an entire family that would fit that description. Their
8-year-old daughter is in my daughter's class at school. We became
friends when both girls were in kindergarten together.
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
> At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote:
> >Tell me the name
> >of j
It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this coming
weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has taken a job with the University of
Alaska in Juneau and has to report for work on the 19th. He is going to
fly up and leave my daughter with the job of driving the family automobile
to
If you decide to take the coastal route, stop by and visit. I'll even
show you around Microsoft's campus, though I can't get in any
buildings...
Stephen
John W. Redelfs wrote:
> It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this
> coming
> weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has t
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> At 04:11 PM 11/11/2002, Marc wrote:
>
> > Here in Utah in part I think it's related to the fact that the
> > Democratic
> >Party has in the last 20 years waned to the point where it really is
> >almost not a
> >factor in our political life right now. And I think
After much pondering, Stephen Beecroft favored us with:
If you decide to take the coastal route, stop by and visit. I'll even
show you around Microsoft's campus, though I can't get in any
buildings...
I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the
Seattle area to Prince Ru
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Marc-
> > One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren.
>
> "Defiance"? Institutions are not capable of defiance, only individuals.
> Which individuals do you believe are in defiance of the Brethren?
Well, for starters the Republican congressman who publ
Maybe. But that will be then. This is now, and we're to listen to the counsel
we're given now.
Jim Cobabe wrote:
> "One party rule" will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early
> Church leaders. There will be only one party that follows the Lord.
> Everyone else will follow the adversary
-Marc-
> [Previously] One party domination is in direct defiance of the
> Brethren.
> [Now] Also, you've missed a quite legitimate parsing of my
> sentence. When one says x is in defiance of y, that implies
> that "belief in x" is in defiance of y.
Okay, that's reasonable. I don't agree with it, b
Let us know what you decide, and I'm sure I speak for the 3 of us when I say we'll
do what we can to accommodate you. I'm probably the closest to the highway you'll
be on (the Yellowhead) but Mark's not too far off, and Cardston's about a 45
minute side trip each way (from the main highway south fr
John,
I'm living at my folk's place in central Utah these days. Not doing
much of anything--I've just been hanging around half-heartedly looking
for gainful employment. I can come and find you just about any time. It
would be great fun to get together--how about a temple session at Provo,
o
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
> Let us know what you decide, and I'm sure I speak for the 3 of us when I
> say we'll
> do what we can to accommodate you. I'm probably the closest to the
> highway you'll
> be on (the Yellowhead) but Mark's not too far off, and Cardston's about
> a 45
> minute side tr
Knowing no one is perfect, I try to judge a person for all that they try
to do, even if their choices end up occasionally being wrong. Truman
chose not to continue the Korean War into China, because he realized a
few things: First, they outnumbered us by hundreds of millions. Second,
we had just fi
Islam is gaining power in much of the Western world. Already in the
Norway, they make up 10% of the population, which is a huge part of the
voting bloc. With such a power bloc like that, politicians are now being
soft on Islamic fundamentalists, and are even condemning US efforts
against terrorism.
Don't worry, John, they all look the same anyway ;-)
But it is a nice, green campus -- kind of like a university. Stephen was a good
host when I visited there. Sadly illness has prevented return trips, although my
minister has been down since to speak at the Microsoft world government leaders
The saints tend to magnify the doctrines and truths that the living
prophet does. Pres Hinckley speaks little about fire and brimstone
(except for abusive husbands and fathers), and speaks much on hope and
joy. He is giving us the direction we should generally go, while not
forgetting what his pred
It is kind of rough. If he leaves from Skagway, he takes the Alaska Highway to
just across the BC/Yukon border, then head uth to Prince Rupert, hit the
Coquahalla Highway to Vancouver -- it's like a big backwards "C", whereas if he
goes through Grande Prairie AB (where I think Kilometre 0 is on the
Edmonton to Prince Rupert depends a lot on the weather. Good weather -- probably 10
hours. Bad weather...well, who knows. The freeway from Edmonton (the Yellowhead)
peters out around Hinton, as I recall, but it's still good highway through Jasper
National Park and in B.C. BC speed limits are only 9
I agree that the Islamists are gaining power.
Stacy.
At 09:25 PM 11/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:
Islam is gaining power in much of the Western world. Already in the
Norway, they make up 10% of the population, which is a huge part of the
voting bloc. With such a power bloc like that, politicians ar
I understand that the Church does not endorse any political policy,
except in cases where a moral issue is involved. There is a strong
effort to avoid the suggestion that the platform of a particular
political party represents or has the unilateral backing of the Church.
This has been the po
Most of the concern about Utah Democrats wasting away to nothing is
misplaced anyway. Democrats have always been well represented as a
minority in state politics. There are regularly Democrat members of the
Utah delegation to the US Congress, as with the current Sentator
Matheson, and former
I read this and thought I'd pass it on.
"If science were explained to the average person in a way that is accessible
and exciting, there would be no room for pseudoscience. But there is a kind
of Gresham's Law by which in popular culture the bad science drives out the
good. And for
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