Re: [ZION] hand shakes
At 10:05 AM 6/24/2003 -0600, Uncle Ronn wrote: I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example, I exposed my children to chickenpox when they were young (and at the best age to handle such a disease, as opposed to when they are middle aged or older and have more severe complications) and they have never had any problems since. This is what my immunologist friends tell me. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
At 07:15 AM 6/25/03 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 10:05 AM 6/24/2003 -0600, Uncle Ronn wrote: Just for clarity: not me! I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example, I exposed my children to chickenpox when they were young (and at the best age to handle such a disease, as opposed to when they are middle aged or older and have more severe complications) and they have never had any problems since. This is what my immunologist friends tell me. Till -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Jon Spencer wrote: Just do what I said. Don't touch your face, and wash your hands before sticking them into your mouth. By the way, from experience I can tell you that this rule also applies to your feet. Yes, by all means, wash your feet before sticking them in your mouth! (be sure to check out the attached picture!) Scott -- The family that prays together, stays together. --- Scott McGee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) web site: http://themcgees.org/scott/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially when it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord will protect us. And actually, the Lord is in charge; He is the one who has said how the ordinances are to be performed. It is just my personal feeling that when we are in the temple, we are where we are supposed to be and everything will be alright. I just don't worry about it there. Naturally, I wash my hands as per my usual practice (like after using the restroom and before eating) but beyond that, I just don't worry about it in the temple. But that's me... Heidi the fair Heidi Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/23/2003 9:52:23 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] hand shakes On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. It's just down right dirty, nasty, and germy. There just doesn't seem to be a way out of it. H. Oh well; what can we do? We have no say about it. The prophet runs the show. Wait! Could we wear latex gloves in the temple?? I'm dead, serious! Can we? Who is going to stop me from doing so? It's our business and our health-- besides latex gloves are white. This just might be a glorious revelation on my part! Safe temple ordinaces? ;-))) Paul O the Great [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially when it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord will protect us. And actually, the Lord is in charge; He is the one who has said how the ordinances are to be performed. It is just my personal feeling that when we are in the temple, we are where we are supposed to be and everything will be alright. I just don't worry about it there. Naturally, I wash my hands as per my usual practice (like after using the restroom and before eating) but beyond that, I just don't worry about it in the temple. But that's me... Heidi the fair I understand your faith in this thing, Heidi. But-- I don't necessarily think the Lord will protect us just because we are doing work in the temple. We LDS people are always getting sick just as other people do. It seems the Lord doesn't stop this from happening but actually deems that we get sick-- you know-- those wonderful little trials that we get stuck with? I want to avoid those trials if I can. It isn't the temple workers hands that I am so concerned with but all the hands he has been shaking. Germs get carried that way. It's just not sanitary if you ask me. Something should be done about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
At 08:14 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially when it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord will protect us. And actually, the Lord is in charge; He is the one who has said how the ordinances are to be performed. It is just my personal feeling that when we are in the temple, we are where we are supposed to be and everything will be alright. I just don't worry about it there. Naturally, I wash my hands as per my usual practice (like after using the restroom and before eating) but beyond that, I just don't worry about it in the temple. But that's me... Heidi the fair I understand your faith in this thing, Heidi. But-- I don't necessarily think the Lord will protect us just because we are doing work in the temple. We LDS people are always getting sick just as other people do. It seems the Lord doesn't stop this from happening but actually deems that we get sick-- you know-- those wonderful little trials that we get stuck with? I want to avoid those trials if I can. It isn't the temple workers hands that I am so concerned with but all the hands he has been shaking. Germs get carried that way. It's just not sanitary if you ask me. Something should be done about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Such paranoia didn't do Howard Hughes any good. I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example, I exposed my children to chickenpox when they were young (and at the best age to handle such a disease, as opposed to when they are middle aged or older and have more severe complications) and they have never had any problems since. I remember reading an article in one scientific journal, which had what appeared to be some evidence for its thesis, that one of the reasons western culture and civilization developed and persevered was due to the fact that that particular stock of people had more immunity built up than other races or peoples. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:05:31 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:14 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially when it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord will protect us. And actually, the Lord is in charge; He is the one who has said how the ordinances are to be performed. It is just my personal feeling that when we are in the temple, we are where we are supposed to be and everything will be alright. I just don't worry about it there. Naturally, I wash my hands as per my usual practice (like after using the restroom and before eating) but beyond that, I just don't worry about it in the temple. But that's me... Heidi the fair I understand your faith in this thing, Heidi. But-- I don't necessarily think the Lord will protect us just because we are doing work in the temple. We LDS people are always getting sick just as other people do. It seems the Lord doesn't stop this from happening but actually deems that we get sick-- you know-- those wonderful little trials that we get stuck with? I want to avoid those trials if I can. It isn't the temple workers hands that I am so concerned with but all the hands he has been shaking. Germs get carried that way. It's just not sanitary if you ask me. Something should be done about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Such paranoia didn't do Howard Hughes any good. I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example, I exposed my children to chickenpox when they were young (and at the best age to handle such a disease, as opposed to when they are middle aged or older and have more severe complications) and they have never had any problems since. I remember reading an article in one scientific journal, which had what appeared to be some evidence for its thesis, that one of the reasons western culture and civilization developed and persevered was due to the fact that that particular stock of people had more immunity built up than other races or peoples. -- Steven Montgomery I'd live in a bubble if I could. To heck with the world. To heck with everything. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Boy o Boy - talking about whether or not to shake hands for fear of illness and death makes a lot more sense than talking about doctrinal or news topics. What a lot of nonsense - I keep waiting for the punch line - but it seems to be getting more serious all of the time. George - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] hand shakes On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:05:31 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:14 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially when it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord will protect us. And actually, the Lord is in charge; He is the one who has said how the ordinances are to be performed. It is just my personal feeling that when we are in the temple, we are where we are supposed to be and everything will be alright. I just don't worry about it there. Naturally, I wash my hands as per my usual practice (like after using the restroom and before eating) but beyond that, I just don't worry about it in the temple. But that's me... Heidi the fair I understand your faith in this thing, Heidi. But-- I don't necessarily think the Lord will protect us just because we are doing work in the temple. We LDS people are always getting sick just as other people do. It seems the Lord doesn't stop this from happening but actually deems that we get sick-- you know-- those wonderful little trials that we get stuck with? I want to avoid those trials if I can. It isn't the temple workers hands that I am so concerned with but all the hands he has been shaking. Germs get carried that way. It's just not sanitary if you ask me. Something should be done about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Such paranoia didn't do Howard Hughes any good. I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example, I exposed my children to chickenpox when they were young (and at the best age to handle such a disease, as opposed to when they are middle aged or older and have more severe complications) and they have never had any problems since. I remember reading an article in one scientific journal, which had what appeared to be some evidence for its thesis, that one of the reasons western culture and civilization developed and persevered was due to the fact that that particular stock of people had more immunity built up than other races or peoples. -- Steven Montgomery I'd live in a bubble if I could. To heck with the world. To heck with everything. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:54:56 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boy o Boy - talking about whether or not to shake hands for fear of illness and death makes a lot more sense than talking about doctrinal or news topics. What a lot of nonsense - I keep waiting for the punch line - but it seems to be getting more serious all of the time. George Oh dear, it went right over your little head, George. How long have you been a member of the Church, 6 months, maybe? You need to spend more time on the Zion list with us spiritual giants and then you will begin to understand. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Me too, Heidi. Paul O On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:47:32 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a big believer in hand washing. That might have something to do with the fact that my mother is a nurse. Anyhoo...I've spent a lot of time around children that aren't my own, and I rarely get sick. I strongly believe that I wash my hands thoroughly as often as possible. I'm not obsessive about it, but I do wash my hands thoroughly before eating and after using the loo, before and after being around children (like, serving in the nursery or looking after the neighbors' kids, etc), and also when I've touched animals (like petting a dog). I've taught my children to be careful about washing their hands as well, and they rarely are sick beyond having allergies... Also, I don't use anti-bacterial soap at my house. In both bathrooms and in the kitchen, I have liquid soap pumps filled with regular, non-anti-bacterial soap. Also, and this is an eccentricity (if you want to call it that) passed on to me from my mother...after using a public restroom and washing hands, I use a paper towel in my hand (or, failing that, a tissue from my purse) to open the door to leave - in recognition of the fact that most people don't regularly wash their hands well, if at all, and then they go touch that door handle. Ish! Heidi the fair Heidi Page The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Thanks for the towel tip. It leaves something else to throw away after one has left the public rest room but I suppose it's a lot safer. I rarely get sick--maybe once in the winter--with the exception of my current pleuritic condition, and I suspect that was not from a virus. Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] hand shakes
Siblings, day-care attendance, and the risk of asthma and wheezing during childhood. Ball TM, Castro-Rodriguez JA, Griffith KA, Holberg CJ, Martinez FD, Wright AL. Department of Pediatrics, University of Arizona College of Medicine, Tucson, USA. BACKGROUND: Young children with older siblings and those who attend day care are at increased risk for infections, which in turn may protect against the development of allergic diseases, including asthma. However, the results of studies examining the relation between exposure to other children and the subsequent development of asthma have been conflicting. METHODS: In a study involving 1035 children followed since birth as part of the Tucson Children's Respiratory Study, we determined the incidence of asthma (defined as at least one episode of asthma diagnosed by a physician when the child was 6 to 13 years old) and the prevalence of frequent wheezing (more than three wheezing episodes during the preceding year) in relation to the number of siblings at home and in relation to attendance at day care during infancy. RESULTS: The presence of one or more older siblings at home protected against the development of asthma (adjusted relative risk for each additional older sibling, 0.8; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.7 to 1.0; P=0.04), as did attendance at day care during the first six months of life (adjusted relative risk, 0.4; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.2 to 1.0; P=0.04). Children with more exposure to other children at home or at day care were more likely to have frequent wheezing at the age of 2 years than children with little or no exposure (adjusted relative risk, 1.4; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.1 to 1.8; P=0.01) but were less likely to have frequent wheezing from the age of 6 (adjusted relative risk, 0.8; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.6 to 1.0; P=0.03) through the age of 13 (adjusted relative risk, 0.3; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.2 to 0.5; P0.001). CONCLUSIONS: Exposure of young children to older children at home or to other children at day care protects against the development of asthma and frequent wheezing later in childhood. PMID: 10954761 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. At 12:53 AM 06/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: It seems to me that here are certain places where hand shaking or similar actions are vital for our salvation! Jon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] hand shakes It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Very interesting stuff, although I never went to daycare. I think mine might be caused by higher than normal ANA in the blood or rheumatoid factor stuff. Stacy. At 03:39 PM 06/23/2003 +, you wrote: Siblings, day-care attendance, and the risk of asthma and wheezing during childhood. Ball TM, Castro-Rodriguez JA, Griffith KA, Holberg CJ, Martinez FD, Wright AL. Department of Pediatrics, University of Arizona College of Medicine, Tucson, USA. BACKGROUND: Young children with older siblings and those who attend day care are at increased risk for infections, which in turn may protect against the development of allergic diseases, including asthma. However, the results of studies examining the relation between exposure to other children and the subsequent development of asthma have been conflicting. METHODS: In a study involving 1035 children followed since birth as part of the Tucson Children's Respiratory Study, we determined the incidence of asthma (defined as at least one episode of asthma diagnosed by a physician when the child was 6 to 13 years old) and the prevalence of frequent wheezing (more than three wheezing episodes during the preceding year) in relation to the number of siblings at home and in relation to attendance at day care during infancy. RESULTS: The presence of one or more older siblings at home protected against the development of asthma (adjusted relative risk for each additional older sibling, 0.8; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.7 to 1.0; P=0.04), as did attendance at day care during the first six months of life (adjusted relative risk, 0.4; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.2 to 1.0; P=0.04). Children with more exposure to other children at home or at day care were more likely to have frequent wheezing at the age of 2 years than children with little or no exposure (adjusted relative risk, 1.4; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.1 to 1.8; P=0.01) but were less likely to have frequent wheezing from the age of 6 (adjusted relative risk, 0.8; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.6 to 1.0; P=0.03) through the age of 13 (adjusted relative risk, 0.3; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.2 to 0.5; P0.001). CONCLUSIONS: Exposure of young children to older children at home or to other children at day care protects against the development of asthma and frequent wheezing later in childhood. PMID: 10954761 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Do you have any idea how often we were reminded to wash our hands? And to keep breath mints handy, for when we worked at the veil? I started carrying my antiseptic spray (used normally for cleaning before glucose testing) or wipes. You'll usually notice a fresh soapy smell (or a minty odor) from your average temple worker. Unless that temple worker has been there for 8+ hours, in which case you'll notice the smell of exhaustion. *jeep! --Chet On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. At 12:53 AM 06/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: It seems to me that here are certain places where hand shaking or similar actions are vital for our salvation! Jon The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Stacy Smith wrote: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Just do what I said. Don't touch your face, and wash your hands before sticking them into your mouth. By the way, from experience I can tell you that this rule also applies to your feet. Jon // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Before glucose testing? I'd like to know more. Stacy. At 04:26 PM 06/23/2003 -0600, you wrote: Do you have any idea how often we were reminded to wash our hands? And to keep breath mints handy, for when we worked at the veil? I started carrying my antiseptic spray (used normally for cleaning before glucose testing) or wipes. You'll usually notice a fresh soapy smell (or a minty odor) from your average temple worker. Unless that temple worker has been there for 8+ hours, in which case you'll notice the smell of exhaustion. *jeep! --Chet On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. At 12:53 AM 06/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: It seems to me that here are certain places where hand shaking or similar actions are vital for our salvation! Jon The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. It's just down right dirty, nasty, and germy. There just doesn't seem to be a way out of it. H. Oh well; what can we do? We have no say about it. The prophet runs the show. Wait! Could we wear latex gloves in the temple?? I'm dead, serious! Can we? Who is going to stop me from doing so? It's our business and our health-- besides latex gloves are white. This just might be a glorious revelation on my part! Safe temple ordinaces? ;-))) Paul O the Great [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Not too complicated. Before glucose testing, I spray the area I'm going to puncture with the antiseptic. With my current glucose meter, I can use my forearm rather than my fingers. Finger-sticking hurts! *jeep! --Chet On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:11:56 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before glucose testing? I'd like to know more. Stacy. At 04:26 PM 06/23/2003 -0600, you wrote: Do you have any idea how often we were reminded to wash our hands? And to keep breath mints handy, for when we worked at the veil? I started carrying my antiseptic spray (used normally for cleaning before glucose testing) or wipes. You'll usually notice a fresh soapy smell (or a minty odor) from your average temple worker. Unless that temple worker has been there for 8+ hours, in which case you'll notice the smell of exhaustion. *jeep! --Chet The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
I think that you are going to have to confess this email in your next temple recommend interview. Jon - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] hand shakes On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. It's just down right dirty, nasty, and germy. There just doesn't seem to be a way out of it. H. Oh well; what can we do? We have no say about it. The prophet runs the show. Wait! Could we wear latex gloves in the temple?? I'm dead, serious! Can we? Who is going to stop me from doing so? It's our business and our health-- besides latex gloves are white. This just might be a glorious revelation on my part! Safe temple ordinaces? ;-))) Paul O the Great [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
I am a big believer in hand washing. That might have something to do with the fact that my mother is a nurse. Anyhoo...I've spent a lot of time around children that aren't my own, and I rarely get sick. I strongly believe that I wash my hands thoroughly as often as possible. I'm not obsessive about it, but I do wash my hands thoroughly before eating and after using the loo, before and after being around children (like, serving in the nursery or looking after the neighbors' kids, etc), and also when I've touched animals (like petting a dog). I've taught my children to be careful about washing their hands as well, and they rarely are sick beyond having allergies... Also, I don't use anti-bacterial soap at my house. In both bathrooms and in the kitchen, I have liquid soap pumps filled with regular, non-anti-bacterial soap. Also, and this is an eccentricity (if you want to call it that) passed on to me from my mother...after using a public restroom and washing hands, I use a paper towel in my hand (or, failing that, a tissue from my purse) to open the door to leave - in recognition of the fact that most people don't regularly wash their hands well, if at all, and then they go touch that door handle. Ish! Heidi the fair Heidi Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/22/2003 12:17:08 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] hand shakes Antibacterial soap is no more effective than regular soap. Here's the facts: 1. The skin keeps bacteria and viruses out of the body. 2. Bacteria and especially viruses lurk in the oil on your hand. 3. Washing with water only does a poor job of removing these disgusting oils! 4. Washing with a wetting agent such as soap or detergent removes these oils. But ya gotta wash ALL of the surface of your hands, including between the fingers. Most people do an extremely poor job of washing their hands. 5. Antibacterial agents kill some bacteria, but certainly don't do anything about viruses (you know, colds, flues. etc.) 6. Stop poking your face with your hands. That will eliminate much of the infection that occurs. 7. If you are worried about shaking hands, then also do not touch any handrails, nor any door knobs, nor anything else anyone has touched. As an interesting side note, there was a study done on the causes of intestinal infection on wilderness backpackers. What made them sick? Was it untreated water? Bad jokes? What was it? It turns out that the highest correlating factor was whether or not they washed their hands before eating and after pooping. Those who did seldom got sick. Those who got sick seldom did. Jon - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] hand shakes On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:29:45 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as Sacrament meeting door greeter . . . That's really a good idea, seriously, a good idea. I'll talk to my wife about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hand shakes a lot too. Whadda ya think we oughta do about it? Stop spreading your nasty germs, Jimmyboy. ;-)) Did you know that I actually packed two cans of lysol spray on my mission to London England!? No kidding. My companion at the MTC was from New York, a real odd-ball, more so than me, in fact-- he told me he in the past had ring worm and I flipped out, arming my self with a can of lysol, I commenced to spray him down right there at bedside-- he was beside himself! You should have seen it! Boy, was I a nutcase. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
At 04:45 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Paul Osborne wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hand shakes a lot too. Whadda ya think we oughta do about it? Stop spreading your nasty germs, Jimmyboy. ;-)) Did you know that I actually packed two cans of lysol spray on my mission to London England!? No kidding. My companion at the MTC was from New York, a real odd-ball, more so than me, in fact-- he told me he in the past had ring worm and I flipped out, arming my self with a can of lysol, I commenced to spray him down right there at bedside-- he was beside himself! You should have seen it! Boy, was I a nutcase. *Ahem.* Was?! ;-) -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:45:39 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 04:45 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Paul Osborne wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hand shakes a lot too. Whadda ya think we oughta do about it? Stop spreading your nasty germs, Jimmyboy. ;-)) Did you know that I actually packed two cans of lysol spray on my mission to London England!? No kidding. My companion at the MTC was from New York, a real odd-ball, more so than me, in fact-- he told me he in the past had ring worm and I flipped out, arming my self with a can of lysol, I commenced to spray him down right there at bedside-- he was beside himself! You should have seen it! Boy, was I a nutcase. *Ahem.* Was?! ;-) -- Ronn! :) Oh, I'm still a nut, but a hard one to crack-- that's for sure. I'll never let go of the 6,000 year chronology of mankind no matter what!! With sword in hand I will fight side by side with the prophets! ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] hand shakes
At 10:40 AM 6/20/2003, you wrote: It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:06:02 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. Why? What do they do? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 10:48 AM 6/21/2003, you wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:06:02 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. Why? What do they do? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Holy (Or, I suppose unholy, depending on who is performing the action) Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor. 13: 12, 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
At 11:12 AM 6/21/03 -0600, Steven Montgomery wrote: At 10:48 AM 6/21/2003, you wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:06:02 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. Why? What do they do? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Holy (Or, I suppose unholy, depending on who is performing the action) Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor. 13: 12, 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14. Though even that is preferable to the type of kiss you are expected to provide in American business . . . -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter Hmm. And I just got home from telling students that the reason mathematicians do many of the things they do the way they do is that they are basically lazy and don't like to do any more work than is absolutely necessary . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:12:56 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Holy (Or, I suppose unholy, depending on who is performing the action) Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor. 13: 12, 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14. This is a charter violation. ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] hand shakes
Ronn wrote: Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as Sacrament meeting door greeter . . . I would rather shake hands than the greeting I got this past Sunday. Our first Sunday in our new unit, and some brother comes up and, ignoring my outstretched hand, hugs me. Needless to say, being hugged by a man who was a total stranger to me made me EXTREMELY uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, I know we're not strangers but fellow saints, but that doesn't mean I want to hug one I've not ever met yet. I'm just going to have to make a point to avoid this person, I guess (unless y'all have any other suggestions). Heck, there's a lot about the way this branch is run that I just don't know about yet...my husband believes this is a test for us to see how we'll react to all the weirdness going on. Paul, you can get bottles of the anti-bacterial stuff that is the right size for your pocket or your wife's handbag, and they have a flip top. Either that, or you can carry around those individually-wrapped anti-bacterial moist towelettes, as I do. That, and I keep a container of those wipes that are the kind that you can use for hands or whatever (there's Lever2000, Splash-n-go...you know what I mean, though, right?) in the car at all times. Anyway, stay tuned for tales from our new branch... Heidi the fair // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Y'know, this thread wouldn't have been half as fun if we hadn't watched *Monk* last night. g *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:21:49 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor. 13: 12, 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14. This is a charter violation. ;-) Quoting scripture? That's right, wise guy. The charter states that all scripture is not suitable for the Zion list and we wouldn't want our beloved moderator to have a hissy and people get all offended over sacred text they can't handle. If you don't believe me just take a gander at these scriptures and you'll get the idea real fast: But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? Isaiah 36:12 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. Gen 38:9 You see, as usual, I'm right again. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:35:22 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, you can get bottles of the anti-bacterial stuff that is the right size for your pocket or your wife's handbag, and they have a flip top. Either that, or you can carry around those individually-wrapped anti-bacterial moist towelettes, as I do. That, and I keep a container of those wipes that are the kind that you can use for hands or whatever (there's Lever2000, Splash-n-go...you know what I mean, though, right?) in the car at all times. Thanks for the tip. Consider it a done deal next time we go shopping. By the way, I think that guy who hugged you is probably a creep. Stay away from him and don't trust anyone just because they are LDS. Believe me, I've seen some really strange things go on in our one true Church. The doctrine is true but some of the members are nuts. Keep your guard up. It sounds like that guy is a real bozo. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
It seems to me that here are certain places where hand shaking or similar actions are vital for our salvation! Jon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] hand shakes It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
Antibacterial soap is no more effective than regular soap. Here's the facts: 1. The skin keeps bacteria and viruses out of the body. 2. Bacteria and especially viruses lurk in the oil on your hand. 3. Washing with water only does a poor job of removing these disgusting oils! 4. Washing with a wetting agent such as soap or detergent removes these oils. But ya gotta wash ALL of the surface of your hands, including between the fingers. Most people do an extremely poor job of washing their hands. 5. Antibacterial agents kill some bacteria, but certainly don't do anything about viruses (you know, colds, flues. etc.) 6. Stop poking your face with your hands. That will eliminate much of the infection that occurs. 7. If you are worried about shaking hands, then also do not touch any handrails, nor any door knobs, nor anything else anyone has touched. As an interesting side note, there was a study done on the causes of intestinal infection on wilderness backpackers. What made them sick? Was it untreated water? Bad jokes? What was it? It turns out that the highest correlating factor was whether or not they washed their hands before eating and after pooping. Those who did seldom got sick. Those who got sick seldom did. Jon - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] hand shakes On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:29:45 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as Sacrament meeting door greeter . . . That's really a good idea, seriously, a good idea. I'll talk to my wife about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] hand shakes
It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] hand shakes
Maybe LSD causes a hand shaking/germ phobia. I know it can cause hallucinations and such. --Jeff. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/20/2003 10:40:57 AM It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] hand shakes
At 04:40 PM 6/20/03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as Sacrament meeting door greeter . . . And at 11:15 AM 6/20/03 -0600, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Maybe LSD causes a hand shaking/germ phobia. I know it can cause hallucinations and such. --Jeff. Hey! I'm the smart-aleck around here! -- Ronn! :) Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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The First Presidency and the Twelve probably shake hundreds of hands each week and, even at their advanced ages, no ill effects. I think we're probably safe. Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Especially if you don't know if they have a cold or not. Stacy. At 12:29 PM 06/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 04:40 PM 6/20/03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that the tradition of hand shaking is diminishing somewhat in LSD social circles, the ones I'm in, that is. And for that, I'm quite glad. I don't want to shake hands with anyone, quite frankly. It's just a germy thing to do and it should be discontinued, in my noble opinion. Think about it; handshaking spreads germs, disease, and simply more pain to make our already miserable earth lives more miserable. So why shake hands with germy people? They put their fingers in their noses, cracks (various ones), and rub there oily skin. I simply can't stand it when I see people in church rubbing their faces, yes, and mouths--then they want to shake hands with me?? God forbid. Does anyone feel like me? I feel my complaints are noteworthy.It's a good idea to wash you hands after shaking. Wouldn't you say? Paul O Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as Sacrament meeting door greeter . . . And at 11:15 AM 6/20/03 -0600, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Maybe LSD causes a hand shaking/germ phobia. I know it can cause hallucinations and such. --Jeff. Hey! I'm the smart-aleck around here! -- Ronn! :) Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:51:03 -0400 Maj Tom Merrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The First Presidency and the Twelve probably shake hundreds of hands each week and, even at their advanced ages, no ill effects. I think we're probably safe. Tom Well, I'm not a prophet and I ain't ever gonna be one if I get my way. I suppose that they are protected by the Lord inasmuch as they can't spend too much time in bed sick or the work would never get done. With my luck (shaking dirty hands) I would spend plenty of time in bed sick and constantly complaining about this lousy world we have to live in--I mean the world I volunteered to come to. Good grief, was I ever a sucker. :-o Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:29:45 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as Sacrament meeting door greeter . . . That's really a good idea, seriously, a good idea. I'll talk to my wife about it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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My hand shakes a lot too. Whadda ya think we oughta do about it? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
