RE: [ZION] Mainstreaming Mormonism

2003-10-31 Thread Jim Cobabe
Religion re-enters S.L. mayoral race Pollster Jones says it regained dominant role Copyright 2003 Deseret Morning News By Bob Bernick Jr. Deseret Morning News Salt Lake City politics in the early 1900s had an ugly twist: Candidates and officeholders were judged by whether they were Mormo

RE: [ZION] A Dangerous Book

2003-10-31 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- > I think that Bloom's book could be very dangerous to us as a people. > What > do you think? --- Not following you, John. What is a danger to us as LDS people? Seems to me that the greatest danger we face is not following our religion. We could become just like

Re: [ZION] Roll Call

2003-10-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 12:59 PM 10/30/2003, JWR wrote: I wish Marc Schindler would return, but I guess that is asking for too much. Perhaps someone could volunteer to "channel" him--especially since its Halloween today . Sorry, (almost) for the grim humor. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ". . . in the f

Re: [ZION] Roll Call

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:59 AM 10/30/2003 -0900, you wrote: Some former list members are returning. Hallelujah! I'm interested in finding out who is still here. Let's have a roll call. How about you Elmer Fairbanks? We're not sure about him. But Attilla the ELF is still alive and well Can anyone think of a wa

Re: [ZION] Roll Call

2003-10-31 Thread Heidi Page
I am here, though mostly lurking. For the past three weeks, I have been a 'de facto' single mom while my dear husband has been in Los Angeles on "strike duty" at Ralph's. He works in management for Ralph's parent company, Kroger, and they sent him out there to train replacement workers and to

Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Paul Osborne
Are you the one, I thought it was Marc Schindler but am likely mistaken. I am not so sure anyone but me would appreciate your referral. George === Yep, it was me. Positive, for sure. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The

Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:50 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom Presidente wrote: Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught (learned?). how about galloping gruff gregarious goats? gastric? grease? gangly? groovy? gravy? garters? oops Till //

RE: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Tom Matkin
> At 02:50 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom Presidente wrote: > >Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught (learned?). > > > > how about galloping gruff gregarious goats? gastric? grease? gangly? > groovy? gravy? garters? oops > > Till Or to put it another way: Should gre

[ZION] Harold Bloom

2003-10-31 Thread Gerald Smith
I agree with Harold Bloom on both issues. First, the LDS Church has gone "mainstream" in many ways. It has been accepted by many (if not most) as a standard Christian religion in the United States. We don't have the federal government or state governments trying to eliminate us. We have moderat

Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] Harold Bloom

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:32 PM 10/31/2003 +, Gary wrote: Oh, and BTW, I'm here, too. Perhaps I'll stay a while, depending on the tenor of the discussions. Oh, good. John and I will sing bass! Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-10-31 Thread Jim Cobabe
99,997 ignored antagonists By Doug Robinson Deseret Morning News Like a lot of people, you're probably still trying to make sense of the ongoing debate regarding the street preachers and the stormin' Mormons. The debate rages on into Week 3, with letters to the editor and e-mail

RE: [ZION] Roll Call

2003-10-31 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
John W. Redelfs wrote: > > Some former list members are returning. Hallelujah! I'm interested in > finding out who is still here. Let's have a roll call. Sandy here, checking in. Mostly, though, I'll probably be in occasional lurk mode for the time being. Quick highlights-- * Melinda and

RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-10-31 Thread Tom Matkin
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: October 31, 2003 11:05 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out > > > 99,997 ignored antagonists > By Doug Robinson > Deseret Morning News > > >Like a lot of people, you're

Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread George Cobabe
Well Tom, you say count and I say confirm, but either way I am happy to still be speculating on that, rather than having a sure knowledge. At your suggestion, and after some thought, I have repeated the email I sent to the other list for the edification, I hope, of these good list members. Folks

RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-10-31 Thread Jim Cobabe
Returning good for evil is an intriguing idea. But the suggestion in this context brings more questions than it seems to answer. How does one do this? What about Jesus whipping the moneychangers from the temple? Maybe punching their lights out was the appropriate response. Do aggressive vio